ext-296 Day 11 | Masons vs Illuminati Werewolf Game

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Moderator Wed 09:01

Vampire Victory! Tremble Mortals!
MrUniverse Wed 09:01

"masons"
Simon Wed 09:02

Poor inq
Wed 09:02

GG all
Operative Wed 09:02

Why happened yesterday not killing a vamp
Wed 09:02

Lol
MrUniverse Wed 09:02

poor inq indeed.
Higgins Wed 09:02

wait, what?
Wed 09:03

there are another 2 vamps
MrUniverse Wed 09:03

(<< was Mal, purifier until 2 days ago)
Higgins Wed 09:03

*there are 2 vamps
Monty Wed 09:03

I'm sooooooo glad it ended
MrUniverse Wed 09:03

Vamps have ultimate parity
Operative Wed 09:03

Patience was a GV
Monty Wed 09:03

What ever the result is
Operative Wed 09:03

Why lol
Wed 09:03

Wtf
Higgins Wed 09:03

vamp can't win if they can't eliminate the other team, right?
MrUniverse Wed 09:03

as soon as any vamp team wins they win
Higgins Wed 09:03

there are 2 vamps alive
MrUniverse Wed 09:03

has parity *
Higgins Wed 09:04

and what happened with Nandi's check?
MrUniverse Wed 09:04

yeah, but one of the teams has parity
Higgins Wed 09:04

Nandi said Mal and Jayne visited her -.-"
Wed 09:04

i knew there is something wrong with Sheriff
MrUniverse Wed 09:04

yeah, I visited her asa stalker to "prove" myself
Operative Wed 09:05

Illuminati victory condition achieved *******
Wed 09:05

F the masons y'all
Higgins Wed 09:05

i mean the "Jayne" part
Wed 09:05

Jayne is gd fam
MrUniverse Wed 09:05

I'd pre-agreed with MrU that on the night he died I'd check Nandi as proof
Wed 09:06

so that he had that to lean back on on his first day as Mal
Wed 09:06

I assume Jayne was only recruited late
River Wed 09:06

Jayne was recruited last night.
Wed 09:06

Sheriff the night before.
Jayne Wed 09:06

So I still don't know what my win condition was as of yesterday.
River Wed 09:07

Fess the night before that.
Badger Wed 09:07

Okay but which VM won then?
River Wed 09:07

River the night before that.
Operative Wed 09:07

The vanilla vamp claim wins the game - I'm calling the police
River Wed 09:07

Me!
Wed 09:07

They're my Fams.
MrUniverse Wed 09:07

I saw you recruit fess as a stalker. I still think we should have lynched you not MrU that day!
Wed 09:07

Unfortunately helix won! :D
River Wed 09:07

Well, you would say that. :p
MrUniverse Wed 09:08

not Mal :(
Higgins Wed 09:08

i knew Jubal was fam. The way your team redirect the lynch to other vamp is sus
Badger Wed 09:08

Congratulations Helix, well played.
Jayne Wed 09:08

I thought no vamp wins if other vamp still alive.
River Wed 09:08

I did literally nothing for the first 5 days.
MrUniverse Wed 09:08

I think I'd have pushed for that anyway
Wed 09:08

Jayne: nope, vamps win as soon as they have any parity
River Wed 09:09

Well played all.
Wed 09:09

I especially enjoyed the subfaction brawl.
MrUniverse Wed 09:09

(well played helix)
Simon Wed 09:09

To clarify: was the mason stuff all bs?
River Wed 09:09

No, it was all real.
Operative Wed 09:09

No they were lit apparently
Monty Wed 09:10

Village fuck up as soon as you are too selfish just to win, and I'm happy with Vampire win. Congrats Helix
Operative Wed 09:10

Monty you should a GV
River Wed 09:10

I just recruited Sheriff and Jayne because they're my buds now.
Simon Wed 09:10

Wow...
Monty Wed 09:10

Well played ^^
Operative Wed 09:10

Shot
Higgins Wed 09:10

yea, village fucked up as soon as the "second win condition" happened
MrUniverse Wed 09:10

subtraction stuff was fun (I think)
Monty Wed 09:10

Well, nahhh
Higgins Wed 09:10

that "second win condition" is bs -.-"
Operative Wed 09:10

Not really
Niska Wed 09:10

gg
River Wed 09:10

I think it was brilliant.
Wed 09:10

Speaking as an outsider to it.
Operative Wed 09:11

No it was awful
River Wed 09:11

I voiced this to Mark: Subfactions actually were a divisive factor in the village this time.
MrUniverse Wed 09:11

I was an outsider to it, and i liked the slightly different dynamic to the village
Operative Wed 09:11

Ruined it for illuminati
Higgins Wed 09:11

sub-factions usually don't care about their other win condition because it give the village more chance to win
Simon Wed 09:11

It ruined it because of the way you chose to play iy
Wed 09:11

It
Operative Wed 09:12

No point in sub factions if they don't go for their own victory
MrUniverse Wed 09:12

I think the masons surprise condition wasn't ideal, but i liked the fact people were actually playing for them for a change
Simon Wed 09:12

Were there more WC users at the start too?
Mal Wed 09:12

Oh, it's over.
Niska Wed 09:12

you starzed that subfaction war very early on :D
Higgins Wed 09:12

<Higgins (Tsunmato)> Wed 09:11 sub-factions usually don't care about their other win condition because it give the village more chance to win <- they ussualy think about the whole village, not selfish about themself
Mal Wed 09:12

I can finally relax
Operative Wed 09:12

There was a chance for 3 mason leaders
Jayne Wed 09:12

I was actually a mason yesterday and still did not know my win condition.
Wed 09:13

I do not understand how that can be allowed in a game.
River Wed 09:13

For maximum funsies.
Operative Wed 09:13

I'm pretty salty about the masons stuff
MrUniverse Wed 09:13

Higgins: it's not selfish, if you don't win, why help village win?
Jayne Wed 09:13

I actually still do not know what it was or is.
River Wed 09:13

The deadlock of intel was the most fascinating thing I've seen.
Tracey Wed 09:13

I don't see how illuminati are being blamed for the loss, we literally didn't lose any time and gave 3 evil kills
River Wed 09:14

It was no fault of the Illuminati.
Higgins Wed 09:14

why don't you ask the sub-fation in game before?
Tracey Wed 09:14

And it's not selfish at all Higgins, you just don't understand sub factions and win conditions apparently
Operative Wed 09:14

Masons getting 2 potential leaders and having to kill us
Simon Wed 09:14

Take the salt to discord
Tracey Wed 09:14

You understand I don't win unless my secondary condition is fulfilled, right?
Higgins Wed 09:14

they literally didn't care about their other win condition and village still lose sometimes
Tracey Wed 09:15

We did care about it but we have to do our other one first
MrUniverse Wed 09:15

masons were a bit op potentially. depends if stitch was still gv at the time of the drunk masons
Monty Wed 09:15

It's a game. Duh
Wash Wed 09:15

Who won?
Tracey Wed 09:15

Because if we don't and the village wins too fast, we lose
Higgins Wed 09:15

how did you think the village can win when you think about your other win condition when even when people don't think about it, the village still lose?
Monty Wed 09:15

Are we still salty on something?
Wash Wed 09:15

Did I win?
Monty Wed 09:15

Why?
Niska Wed 09:15

Moderator (to the Masons) Wed 21:09 Remember Masons, your win condition includes removing the Illuminati (if they exist). The Sergeant will only have 1 recruit if the leader dies - After the balance cries today. You do not need to reveal this to the game though (in fact it is probably best not to)
River Wed 09:15

We did, Town.
Wash Wed 09:15

We?
Niska Wed 09:15

that was our messag
Wed 09:15

as masons
Wash Wed 09:15

Oh
Wed 09:16

Yay!
Monty Wed 09:16

lol
Wash Wed 09:16

You ballzy bastard
Monty Wed 09:16

Town evuls
Wash Wed 09:16

I wasnt
River Wed 09:16

I'll admit it, I only recruited you because I wanted you to lose with me. :p
Tracey Wed 09:16

Yeah that message was BS, illuminati were not aware this was a new win condition
Monty Wed 09:16

Yes you are
Wash Wed 09:16

Helix recruited me
Monty Wed 09:16

At the end
Wed 09:16

;p
Wash Wed 09:16

I was only evil for one day
Simon Wed 09:16

My inq was corrupted by vamps :(
Monty Wed 09:16

Pfffft
Wed 09:16

It a stressful game for me
River Wed 09:17

Sheriff was the first person I spoke to in night chat, last night.
Monty Wed 09:17

But fair ^^
Wash Wed 09:17

I wished you good luck
Niska Wed 09:17

Phyton was village o.O
Wash Wed 09:17

In nzght chat
Monty Wed 09:17

Yes I'am
River Wed 09:17

Hmm, maybe it was Fess as well.
Monty Wed 09:17

Village
Wed 09:17

Mwahahahaha
Jayne Wed 09:17

I personally think this game was broken.
Higgins Wed 09:17

i didn't know what happen when Nandi changed her mind and let the vm alive another night
Monty Wed 09:18

I am there
Wed 09:18

Last night
Wed 09:18

When you are balance
Higgins Wed 09:18

i saw it and i was like: wtf you guys was doing?
Monty Wed 09:18

And confession
Wed 09:18

Duh.
Mal Wed 09:18

I tried
Monty Wed 09:19

Another game with confession win
Niska Wed 09:19

Confessed evils are the most trustworthy evils :D
Mal Wed 09:19

I knew, as soon as they said Saffron was their fam
Wed 09:19

She was my useless fam
Simon Wed 09:19

So kill off continual shit posters and vanilla claims asap. Understood.
River Wed 09:19

For what it is worth, if I genuinely had no recruits yesterday (excepting charges presumably), the whole village would have won. I actually really liked the deal!
Wed 09:19

No, Falco, the problem is that you killed me and forced me to start doing things at night. :p
Mal Wed 09:20

Sure, but you were lying. So, I had to try and make the village see reason
Wed 09:20

Sadly, Nandi was having none of it
Operative Wed 09:20

Nandi should have moved her vote
Simon Wed 09:20

:p sorry to cause you to put effort in Helix ;)
Mal Wed 09:21

I'm annoyed I changed my kill target. It was originally Sheriff, but I switched to Jayne
Niska Wed 09:21

which night did you recruit town helix?
River Wed 09:21

N6 I think.
Simon Wed 09:21

Man the salt levels in this game were crazy
Jayne Wed 09:21

So we think it is cool for people in the game to not know what is necessary for them to win the game?
Wash Wed 09:21

Helix what was I the first recruit?
Niska Wed 09:21

ah, so after our mason mw tried to kill you
River Wed 09:22

You were the first because I wanted you to have to lose with me, haha.
Wed 09:22

*puts more salt into the dish*
Niska Wed 09:22

(if only village trusted the masons at that point) *rubs more salt*
Wed 09:22

xD
Wash Wed 09:24

I won
Mal Wed 09:24

Nope, I needed to keep throwing different people under the bus
Wed 09:24

I survived way longer than I thought I would/should
Wash Wed 09:25

Still think the civil war was too early, but I get why it was done.
River Wed 09:25

I should've brought popcorn that day.
Jayne Wed 09:28

I would say nobody won from my reading of the rules. the other factions' win conditions change to include the death of the Vampire Master - Vampires in the same game never work together, but oppose each other, actually forming different factions.
Wed 09:28

So VM must kill all other VMs to win
River Wed 09:29

The largest basement overrides it.
Jayne Wed 09:29

Where is that?
Wash Wed 09:30

It's the ocnclusion if you fast forward from now
Wed 09:31

since the basement would just lynch the other vm
Tracey Wed 09:33

We had to do it early Wash because the Masons had just been given a second and third ML
Wed 09:33

with refreshes
Wed 09:33

could get very large group of masons very quickly and be very difficult to ensure they all die (but one)
Wed 09:33

figured it was better to nip it in the bud
Jayne Wed 09:34

I see the larger basement has the votes to kill the smaller one, so you just end the game and assume that happened.
Niska Wed 09:35

mmc, the rule you are looking for is this: In the event of only a Vampire Master and a Werewolf being left alive, the Vampire Master automatically wins.
Wed 09:35

but its very old
Wed 09:35

from a time when coven and undeads did niot exist probably
Jayne Wed 09:35

There was no werewolf at the end.
Tracey Wed 09:35

H2P needs a severe overhaul
Jayne Wed 09:36

I saw that but still think VMs need to kill each other to win.
Mal Wed 09:36

Technically, the game could end in a draw. Where the votes keep getting tied, and the 2 vamps kill each other's supporters
Jayne Wed 09:36

I understand the idea there is no way the larger basement would not eventually win.
Niska Wed 09:36

yeah
Jayne Wed 09:37

I was still in a game yesterday where I did not know if my win condition was made up.
Niska Wed 09:38

mmc why would we as masons make such a win condition up? you were a mason thus you knew we were masons too when we said tha
Operative Wed 09:38

I don't think a new win condition should be added mid game
Niska Wed 09:39

but yeah, if we kept it secret and you were a new recruit theres no way for you to know about this stuff :/
Jayne Wed 09:39

I assumed it was not for that reason.
Wed 09:39

But the game is broken by people quoting mods in the game text IMO.
Wed 09:42

I assumed it was, and assumed correctly I believe that I would lose if I killed River. I however never got any official message so I was forced to rely on players in the game to relay official messages to me which I believe breaks the game.
Tracey Wed 09:43

I agree
Jayne Wed 09:45

Anyway I guess thanks River for finding a way for me to win (though I do not feel victorious), and congrats to you for playing well, and everyone who played so well.
Wed 09:46

Helix that is.
Fess Wed 09:46

cool. River won
JubalEarly Wed 09:49

GG
Wed 09:49

also I wasn't fam until the very end
Wed 09:49

and even if I hadn't been recruited, still woulda pushed the river lynch over MrU
Wed 09:49

fwiw
Fess Wed 09:49

And u should
Mal Wed 09:50

Damn, I knew my last recruit was a mistake. Should have gone somewhere ekse
Wed 09:51

*else
Wed 09:51

Oh well
Fess Wed 09:51

Was there really a mason apprentice?
Mal Wed 09:51

I think so
Fess Wed 09:51

But he was fammed?
Operative Wed 09:52

No Niska
Wed 09:52

Showing as a villager
Mal Wed 09:53

Hang on, why didn't Jayne die?
Operative Wed 09:53

Night he was fammed
Wed 09:53

Can't due
Mal Wed 09:53

Oh wait, Sheriff is militia. That's the kill
Wed 09:54

Damn, should have killed him like I originally wanted too
JubalEarly Wed 09:55

You were right when you said River was lying about Lenore
Wed 09:55

maybe should tried to emphasize it more
Niska Wed 10:00

Yes, I was a Mason Sergeant, if the Mason Leader dies I can recruit 1 person. So yes it was real. But the role is not coded so I just show as villager :P
Mal Wed 10:03

I knew she was lying about Lenore (because I was the one who had failed with Zoe)
Wed 10:03

But the 2 subfactions wanted their win, hard to stop that at that point
JubalEarly Wed 10:04

well they didn't get it xD
Wash Wed 10:04

I didn't lie ever
Wed 10:04

Helix did -->
JubalEarly Wed 10:07

hey you're wash now
Wed 10:07

gotta embrace it :P
Mal Wed 10:08

Yep
Wed 10:08

Well, I'll take me surviving 4-5 different days where I almost got lynched
Jayne Wed 10:13

I was last mason an last day with illuminati still alive so was correct to not vote river by my understanding of the win conditions.
Wed 10:14

but expected mutual loss as result
Mal Wed 10:17

But, we could have killed her later
Wed 10:18

Without outright confessing myself, I'm not sure how much more clear i could be that River was lying about her recruit claims
Nandi Wed 11:21

Please stop calling me Nandi, my name is Nandin.
Monty Wed 11:25

LOL FOR NANDIN
Wed 11:25

One Oof for ya ^^
MrUniverse Wed 12:19

Nandin was Nandi, lol
Kirschstein Wed 12:38

Nandi (Nandin)
Wed 12:38

Monty (Phyton)
Lawrence Wed 12:40

I am glad this is done.
Wed 12:40

So i can see this set up
Wed 12:41

Falco i am sad we didnt get to talk in a blur chat
DrCaron Wed 14:49

GG
Zoe Wed 16:39

gg
Badger Wed 20:56

Btw. Who was OG Mr.U?
MrUniverse Fri 18:18

MrU only ever ended up swapping with Me (Mal).

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