ext-296 Day 9 | Masons vs Illuminati Werewolf Game

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Monty Mon 09:01

Morning~~~
Mon 09:02

I didn't shot ^^
Higgins Mon 09:02

i think MrU had to die last night
Mon 09:02

no death so
Moderator Mon 09:02

Higgins votes to lynch MrUniverse
Moderator Mon 09:02

Monty votes to lynch MrUniverse
Higgins Mon 09:05

no death mean MrU recruited someone
Mon 09:06

he knew he will be lynched today so he recruited someone
Monty Mon 09:08

Why wound he save his recruit so long?
Mon 09:08

He can be lynch any day.
Mon 09:09

Higgins, you are just too paranoid.
Mon 09:10

Why he save his recruit for so long?
Mon 09:11

...
Mon 09:11

Bad phone!
Moderator Mon 09:18

Nandi votes to lynch MrUniverse
Nandi Mon 09:19

Guys, my fears were nonexistent! I didn't get recruited!
Mon 09:19

But I need to sleep
Monty Mon 09:20

...
Mon 09:20

The recruit won't be recharged.
Mon 09:20

They not one time used power.
Fess Mon 09:24

Checked Monty as Faithful. I guess everyone is faithful now huh? And good news. River was still in Inq. That was some meta stuffs going on.
Monty Mon 09:25

I almost shot her you know.
Fess Mon 09:25

Oh u were militia.
Monty Mon 09:26

I still Militia
Fess Mon 09:26

Was there a maple?
Monty Mon 09:26

Yes
Mon 09:26

DrCaron
Fess Mon 09:26

I see
Moderator Mon 09:27

Fess votes to lynch MrUniverse
MrUniverse Mon 09:34

So.... why isn't DrCaron dead?
Moderator Mon 09:34

MrUniverse votes to lynch DrCaron
MrUniverse Mon 09:35

If she was a mw that tried to eat me, I should have died
Mon 09:35

Or, by everyone logic that I'm vm, she should have starved
Mon 09:36

Neither of us are dead, so she isn't a mw
Higgins Mon 09:36

https://media1.tenor.com/images/1742d2899ac2d797d88bd70a8e048587/tenor.gif
Mon 09:36

im here to say your logic is bs
MrUniverse Mon 09:36

What part?
Mon 09:36

She should be dead if she's a maple wolf
Higgins Mon 09:36

where do you get that idea mw have to die when attack a vamp?
MrUniverse Mon 09:37

She hasn't eaten in 3 days
Higgins Mon 09:37

and if she is lit mw, she die tonight, not last night
MrUniverse Mon 09:37

She should have starved
Higgins Mon 09:37

tonight is the 4th night
Mon 09:37

mw die in 4th night after they didn't eat 3 nights in a row
MrUniverse Mon 09:38

Oh, I thought they died on the 3rd if they failed
Mon 09:38

Well, this game has been full of learning experiences
Mon 09:38

Either way, I didn't die, so she didn't try to eat me
Moderator Mon 09:39

MrUniverse votes to lynch Higgins
Higgins Mon 09:39

sure, she didn't try to eat you
Mon 09:39

DrCaron Sun 20:22 i am going to eat MrU
Mon 09:39

DrCaron Sun 20:55 I am eating MrU
Mon 09:40

she literally said she would try to eat you
Mon 09:41

are you going to say she changed her mind in middle of the night?
Mal Mon 10:05

hmm..
Mon 10:05

No deaths last night at all
Moderator Mon 10:06

Mal votes to lynch MrUniverse
Higgins Mon 10:06

yea, that is why i think MrU recruited last night
Mal Mon 10:06

pop that there for now
Mon 10:07

I'm still sus of River, despite Fess. If River is vamp, they recruited Fess last night to fix that problem.
Mon 10:07

Hopefully Jubal visited MrU last night and can confirm DrCaron's attempt at his life
JubalEarly Mon 10:13

oh boy
Mon 10:13

saw this coming
Mon 10:13

Fess was visited by River
Mal Mon 10:20

I don't want to say I told you so, but I told you so!
Mon 10:20

(Who am I kidding, I love those words)
Monty Mon 10:25

It's a good thing that I'm not shoting anyone last night then. Hm.
Mal Mon 10:25

Shoot Fess tonight.
Monty Mon 10:26

Seem like a plan now.
Mon 10:26

It's oddly weird River not online much.
Mal Mon 10:26

Of coruse if River is actually a vamp not a fam (recruiting Fess) then it does mean that there was no way for us to save Dr last night :(
Mon 10:26

Monty: It's very weird. It was weird yesterday, it's weird today.
Mon 10:26

Wash too scared to try and immitate River? :D
Monty Mon 10:27

*nods*
Mon 10:27

At least I have some use now. lol
Mon 10:27

Immitate River need a hard work.
Mon 10:28

People probably tired at this rate
Mon 10:28

It's already D9.
River Mon 11:01

well I'm sorry that I can't have a life outside this game sometimes
Moderator Mon 11:01

River votes to lynch MrUniverse
River Mon 11:03

stitch was a VM (another one)
Mal Mon 11:09

So you're CCing Jubal then?
Mon 11:09

Who says you visited Fess
River Mon 11:11

obviously
Mon 11:12

which is exactly what he would say :P
Mal Mon 11:14

cool, just wanting that to be stated explicitly :)
Monty Mon 11:16

River.
Mon 11:16

Can you talk more today?
Mon 11:16

If you success talking more and like usual, I will not shoot your friend ^^
River Mon 11:17

I dare you
Monty Mon 11:19

No, I dare you talk more ^^
Mal Mon 11:28

Part of me thinks we should probably take out River today and Monty shoot Fess tonight then we have a whole team done.
River Mon 11:29

another part of you can be dumb, or maybe it's the same part
Mon 11:31

just tell me who wouldn't recruit the harlot when there's nothing else to catch VMs doing things with any more, then we'll talk
Mal Mon 11:34

River would never call me dumb :(
River Mon 11:35

not sure about that. depends on my mood :p
Mal Mon 11:35

:P
Mon 11:36

Fair point about the harlot though
Mon 11:36

Recruiting you and then Fess though is also a good play considering your team was/is fairly trusted
River Mon 11:38

not going to argue against that
Jayne Mon 11:53

River/Fess feeling full of it to me today - I need to think more about it I have so little information but this whole River dissapearing and coming back thing at the same time as fess I guess it would have to be lucky if vamp recruited fess first and river decided not to talk that whole day until he got recruited the next day
Mon 11:54

So even though something feels very off to me - that particular story doesn't make sense
Mon 11:54

I need nandi to tell me if I visited them or not
Mon 11:56

okay this game is more or less a bore I have so little idea WTF is going on - I will be back later to add anything if anyone needs anything from me
Mal Mon 11:57

I said it yesterday, River was relying on us having a better target yesterday
Jayne Mon 11:57

Why did fess not make a big(er) deal about it? Or did they and I was missing it?
Mal Mon 11:58

If River never really comes online there's nothing much avialable to discuss, and the counter rarguments of just being busy etc
Jayne Mon 11:59

Anyway I am not arguing any particular point of view I have very little to go on - I will be checking in here to see if it turns out I can contribute anything with what I know once I hear from nandi
Mal Mon 11:59

The fact that River just completely ignored it yesterday, said nothing in response then fucked off for the whole day rang alarm bells for me. Tried to get some village support last night for trying to shoot or eat river but no one wanted to play :(
Jayne Mon 11:59

nandi needs to answer me
Mal Mon 12:00

I'm going to get started on a River stack as I think that's our best chance of killing off a team and reducing the nightly kills. From tonight onwards we're going to have multiple kills every night. Lynching MrU just gives us a 1 night reprive and moves him somewhere else, we can deal with him tomorrow
Moderator Mon 12:01

Mal votes to lynch River
Jayne Mon 12:02

okay then if people were shouting from the rooftops about River yesterday this makes more sense to me - so we have CC between river/fess and Jubal/Mal that is fair to say at least yes?
Mal Mon 12:03

Well, there is no CC from me, I just don't think RIver is River
Mon 12:03

I made myself clear on that yesterday as well though
Jayne Mon 12:04

and higgins wants us to kill MrU because the supposed MW drcaron didn't kill him when he was supposed to be eaten (and I think higgins has been on MrU for days and days now if I am not mistaken after checking him as seer as a vamp?)
Mon 12:05

I am just trying to keep up as I am not in any of these fights it is an effort to keep focused on all of this
Mal Mon 12:06

Yeah Higgins says he checked MrU as a vamp, and Dr says he tried to eat him and he's still alive
Jayne Mon 12:06

So Dr and Higgins are a team or MrU is a vamp (or both?)
Mal Mon 12:06

Yeah
Mon 12:07

Dr dying tonight from starvation will confirm him as a MW.
Mon 12:07

Either MrU or River is a good option, but we don't know who MrU recruited last night, we do know who River recruited (if we believe Jubal)
Mon 12:07

And we'll have definitive proof on Dr tomorrow if he starves
Jayne Mon 12:08

Who is confirming or teamed up with Jubal? Other than you backing him now but doing so in a not completely connected to him way?
Mal Mon 12:10

We have no one to confirm/deny jubal
Mon 12:10

Jubal is our last source of intel
Mon 12:11

(or was, River made a valid point)
Mon 12:11

Jubal's check lines up with my thoughts on River though (who again has gone quiet now after making a few attempts at sounding River-y)
Jayne Mon 12:14

And finally just to help clarify (sorry if I am asking you to tell me things I should already know) - who is confirming or backing you up?
Mon 12:14

I know you have been purifying everyone right?
Mal Mon 12:15

Higgins and Stitch both claimed to be purified by me on the day following the night I claim to have purified them
Mon 12:15

But since then, a whole lot of no one. Without WC users around I've got nothing left to do
Jayne Mon 12:15

You and me both
Mon 12:17

okay well I have caught up and if you are lying other people got to see you talk about it who have more info than I do. I have no reason to doubt you, I do think river and fess are sus af. I need to hear from some other people before I will have anything useful/important to add.
Mal Mon 12:17

I'm somewhat saddened that Higgins may have been lit, and i purified him to get the Inq on-side and then they've probably all been eliminated from being Inq
Jayne Mon 12:17

That is basically why I didn't kill him - I do think he seemed lit to me at that stage.
Mon 12:17

But that is water under the bridge now.
Mal Mon 12:18

Yeah. I maintain my reasons for doing it were sound at the time, and I never trusted Stitch so have no worries there
Jayne Mon 12:18

So you are still a just villager with no night chat? and as of yesterday so was Higgins?
Moderator Mon 12:21

JubalEarly votes to lynch MrUniverse
MrUniverse Mon 12:21

As far as I'm concerned, Higgins is a fam who got recruited after being purified and is trying to kill me
Mon 12:21

And Caron hasn't confirmed today that she tried to eat me
Mon 12:22

Personally, it sounds better to take out a vamp basement
Moderator Mon 12:22

MrUniverse votes to lynch River
MrUniverse Mon 12:22

So, I'll change my vote for now
Mal Mon 12:24

Jayne: yeah, no one has recruited me. I was holding out for Inq, but nothing :(
Mon 12:24

(obviously, becuase Simon died)
Jayne Mon 12:24

I was going to say we were both hoping that until Simon died
MrUniverse Mon 12:24

Oh, and in case people are wondering, I didn't shoot last night because I was out late, crashed into bed and didn't wake up until after day broke
Jayne Mon 12:27

MrU I got nothing personally, but you sound so full of it to me - your stories are crazy. I still need to wait to hear from others, but of the things I have an opinion on, you are full of shit. My claim is crap because uhh uhhh I fell asleep and couldn't be bothered to press the shoot button.
Mon 12:28

Which lends me to think higgins at least at the time he pointed at MrU was telling the truth
MrUniverse Mon 12:31

So, life gets in the way for some people (River) but not others (me). Got it
JubalEarly Mon 12:31

well clearly it wasn't that for river
Mon 12:31

as she is a VM
Mon 12:31

and it wasn't life getting in the way
Jayne Mon 12:32

I do not believe River was silent because of life either.
JubalEarly Mon 12:32

I mean she recruited Fess last night so
Jayne Mon 12:35

These two issues do not overlap, MrU and River can both be full of it.
MrUniverse Mon 12:35

So, it sounds like you either lynch me, and have very little else to go on, or lynch River, one of me or Monty can kill Fess, and that's most likely the whole team
Mal Mon 12:36

Yeah... That's what I came up with as well.
Jayne Mon 12:36

But your probably going to sleep through your duty to shoot someone anyway, so we should take any other plan other than one that needs you to do something.
MrUniverse Mon 12:36

You have Monty
Mon 12:37

Also, I'm less likely to go out during a weekday
JubalEarly Mon 12:37

on the very off-chance that MrU is lit and Monty isn't should we just go for River today?
Mon 12:37

she's more confirmed in my eyes
Jayne Mon 12:37

Anyway making plans is past my pay grade in this particular game, someone has to know more than me about WTF is going on.
Moderator Mon 12:38

JubalEarly votes to lynch River
Jayne Mon 12:38

I will wait for some more people to tell me what they think, and I will be back before the end of the day to vote but I might not have time to read everything and talk much more.
Mon 12:39

I can usually more or less keep up on mobile while I am out and about.
Nandi Mon 12:53

River could've easily been Familiar transformed into VM.
Mon 12:53

Honestly, I want to troll.
Mon 12:54

But nah, my vote stays on the Universe.
Mon 12:54

Jayne, did you ever get in the Inquisition?
MrUniverse Mon 12:57

I still think taking out both Fess and River is better than just lynching me
Mon 12:58

And, no, I don't believe Jayne was inq
Mon 12:58

I recall the inquisition being Simon, Fess, Lawrence and River
Mon 12:59

And Simon died before everyone got ability refreshes
Mal Mon 13:01

Yeah Simon died before he got refreshed
Mon 13:01

so there was no additional inq
Nandi Mon 13:02

Sheriff is still the ML, though.
Mon 13:02

OHNO
JubalEarly Mon 13:03

ya he said he recruit too :/
Mon 13:03

sorry nandi
Nandi Mon 13:03

I'd rather heath die than subject to the Masons.
Mon 13:04

Well, it's still my fault.
Mon 13:04

Hm...
Mon 13:05

People need to show up.
Mon 13:05

I can do a balance.
Moderator Mon 13:05

Nandi votes to lynch River
MrUniverse Mon 13:06

Depending on how much you trust Monty to shoot Fess, I could shoot Sheriff for you
JubalEarly Mon 13:06

Nandi needs there to only be 1 or 0 mason but masons need Nandi dead
Mon 13:06

just stating
Nandi Mon 13:07

Yeah, I'm fine with doing so long as there's only one member left.
Mon 13:07

Everyone wins.
MrUniverse Mon 13:07

But if sheriff recruited, then they're 2
Nandi Mon 13:07

(Except for Vamps.)
Mon 13:08

Yeah, but I'm sure our secondary objective still applies in the GY.
JubalEarly Mon 13:08

and to Respond to "River", recruiting me as a vamp would be stupid. I wouldn't be able to fake harlot checks for very long as a fam
Mon 13:08

ya it does
Mon 13:08

I imagine vamps will likely kill me tonight in leu of better targets
Mon 13:09

but lynching river gets rid of one confirmed VM in my books
Nandi Mon 13:09

Yeah, but we're referring to the MMasons.
JubalEarly Mon 13:09

I think focusing on secondary objectives will be best when we are down to 1 VM
Mon 13:10

but ya
Nandi Mon 13:10

That requires cooperation with the Village.
JubalEarly Mon 13:10

Sheriff *did* say he recruited, right?
Nandi Mon 13:10

Not today...
JubalEarly Mon 13:10

oh weird
Mon 13:10

maybe I dreamt it xD
MrUniverse Mon 13:10

He hasn't been on
Mon 13:10

He said yesterday he would
JubalEarly Mon 13:10

oh
Jayne Mon 13:14

Nandi has not answered if I visited or not. This is sus on Nandi to me.
Mon 13:14

Avoiding the answer.
Mon 13:16

All correct in that I am not inq.
Mon 13:16

But I said that already today.
Moderator Mon 13:16

Jayne votes to lynch Nandi
Jayne Mon 13:17

I don't know the plan for who to kill when etc. but nandi is not acting lit.
JubalEarly Mon 13:18

in what way?
Mon 13:18

oh
Jayne Mon 13:20

I do not know how this fits into the subfaction beefs of which I am not a part, however Nandi is almost certainly evil in my book by avoiding me asking her directly multiple times to answer if I visited or not and reading everything else but failing to answer that question.
Mon 13:23

So if we need more evil people to kill, add Nandi to the list.
Mon 13:25

Might have been lit until recently, but now not so much.
River Mon 13:26

this late in the game it's easy to guess visits and know which ones will make someone sus so that point doesn't hold at all
Mon 13:27

you have two people against MrU here.
Mon 13:28

so "more confirmed VM" is just wrong
Jayne Mon 13:29

Well I don't have anything else to contribute and I am not saying anyone is a confirmed anything
Mon 13:29

I am saying nandi is sus to me.
River Mon 13:29

a fam getting two lit people killed is a good trade. don't try and say that it wouldn't be worth trying
Mon 13:30

you should take a side. Nandi won't be lynched today so there's no point voting her
Jayne Mon 13:31

I will take a side at some point. I am voting nandi to make sure everyone notices what I said so tomorrow Nandi doesn't say oh I never noticed he asked me that blah blah
Mon 13:32

kind of like you never showed up yesterday and we are all supposed to be cool with that
Mon 13:32

I am not saying I know fuck all about you but those kinds of stories make me sus people
River Mon 13:33

I was there yesterday, not as much but saying I wasn't there is a lie
Jayne Mon 13:33

unfortunately both people with lots of votes today have sus af stories
Mon 13:33

okay did not mean to add facts that are not there, I am not trying to do that.
Mon 13:34

I want to hear from more people who maybe I can trust more
Mon 13:35

how many vamps and familiars at this point in the game is there likely to be?
Mon 13:36

I keep thinking everyone around me is evil. I guess that is the byproduct of being village and not recruited by anyone this late in the game.
River Mon 13:36

maybe 2 VMs?
Mon 13:36

3? depends
MrUniverse Mon 13:36

Well, Wash and Zoe were vm
River Mon 13:36

I can check one of my VM checks to see if they are still dead
MrUniverse Mon 13:37

And badger book and saffron were fams
Jayne Mon 13:37

so VMs get three familiars each?
River Mon 13:37

they do
Jayne Mon 13:38

and there is 11 people in the game, so maybe I am not out of my mind and there are only evils who are fighting each other left.
MrUniverse Mon 13:39

Well, at least 3 familiar are dead
Mon 13:39

And they stay dead
Mon 13:39

Oh, wait, I forgot stitch
Mon 13:39

So, that's 4
Jayne Mon 13:40

3 VMs with 3 fams each is 12 vamps all told - 4 are dead assuming that is true - so 8 out of the 11 people alive could all be vamps and their minions
Mon 13:40

that is about what it feels like to me
Mal Mon 13:40

3 fams, +1 for the refresh
Jayne Mon 13:41

LoL so you vamps have just not killed me because I don't matter, I feel so lonely. Anyway you have at each other.
MrUniverse Mon 13:42

We've killed evil 6 times
Jayne Mon 13:42

Oh that is a little better then.
MrUniverse Mon 13:42

Each time we lynch a vamp, they switch with a fam
JubalEarly Mon 13:42

that would still leave 9 evils if all VMs got every recruit
MrUniverse Mon 13:42

So, we've sorta gone through 6 familiar so far
Mon 13:43

True
Jayne Mon 13:43

ya
MrUniverse Mon 13:43

Unless we killed one before the refresh
Jayne Mon 13:43

not good news for the good guys
JubalEarly Mon 13:43

I feel like we're probably better off than that though
MrUniverse Mon 13:43

Also, Stitch wouldn't have done anything
JubalEarly Mon 13:43

but River is definitely a VM
MrUniverse Mon 13:43

Because he was either true dead, or switching
JubalEarly Mon 13:44

also true
Mon 13:44

I wonder if he had any recruits
Mon 13:44

Also MrU is only confirmed VM to me if Caron dies tomorrow
MrUniverse Mon 13:44

Well, did we think Zoe was Stitch?
JubalEarly Mon 13:44

because the only way MrU isn't a VM is if Caron is
Jayne Mon 13:44

I am new to vamp games, can't we tell from the lack of deaths that recruits happened?
JubalEarly Mon 13:44

ya, but Stitch couldn't do anything if he was getting revived
Mon 13:45

(and if Caron is a VM, she can't die at night)
MrUniverse Mon 13:45

Assuming 3 VM, 2 recruits happened, because stitch was dead
JubalEarly Mon 13:45

(therefore Caron dying at night = MrU a VM to me)
River Mon 13:45

and you really think that the VM would kill her? nope
JubalEarly Mon 13:46

what?
Mon 13:46

She is supposed to starve if she is lit
Mon 13:46

and if she isn't lit, she's a VM and can't die at night
Jayne Mon 13:46

and they are like whack a mole they keep popping up in new places
JubalEarly Mon 13:46

River can you do me a favor and give all your checks in like under 2 min
Mon 13:46

don't disappear for awhile again
River Mon 13:46

I don't intend on making you happy
JubalEarly Mon 13:47

or proving yourself apparently
Jayne Mon 13:47

ya River is sus af
River Mon 13:47

why should I prove myself to someone that supposedly has a check that makes me evil
Jayne Mon 13:47

well that is a stupid answer also, to prove yourself to me duh
JubalEarly Mon 13:47

seems a little obvious lol
Moderator Mon 13:47

Jayne votes to lynch River
River Mon 13:48

then lynch me, I don't care
JubalEarly Mon 13:48

"Someone who's been lit this whole game checked me as evil, why would I need to prove myself"
Mon 13:48

you got it
River Mon 13:48

someone who I say was recruited, obviously
Moderator Mon 13:48

DrCaron votes to lynch MrUniverse
Jayne Mon 13:48

lynch me I don't care is a bad answer to tell us your checks to prove yourself
DrCaron Mon 13:48

Hello
JubalEarly Mon 13:48

based on no evidence
Mon 13:48

hey Caron
DrCaron Mon 13:49

So I'm going to starve
Mon 13:49

Mal: well done
River Mon 13:49

if giving my checks proves me then I'm not interested in playing a game like that
DrCaron Mon 13:49

@Mal*
JubalEarly Mon 13:49

thats asinine
Jayne Mon 13:49

it would not hurt
River Mon 13:50

it's pointless and dumb
JubalEarly Mon 13:50

@Caron Would you mind lynching River tonight and then having us go for MrU once it is confirmed that you starved?
Mon 13:50

just to be sure
Jayne Mon 13:50

cool so you win either way
DrCaron Mon 13:50

Are we out of mil shots?
Jayne Mon 13:50

River wants to not play any more in this game, so that makes things easier.
JubalEarly Mon 13:50

well depending on if either MrU or Monty are lit, they should have refreshed
Mon 13:51

to you, (and most of us) MrU isn't lit, so that just leaves Monty
MrUniverse Mon 13:51

Neither of us shot last night
River Mon 13:51

I'm gone. not letting myself get annoyed at this
Mon 13:51

too many times
JubalEarly Mon 13:51

ok play up your story
Mon 13:52

we'll see once the game is over ^^
DrCaron Mon 13:52

I would rather not let the VM get another kill
Jayne Mon 13:52

I will keep checking in - I believe River and MrU are worth killing, I am open to moving between them if we get a better answer.
MrUniverse Mon 13:52

River was caught recruiting Fess
Mon 13:53

Lynch river, me and/or Monty shoots Fess, no more team
DrCaron Mon 13:53

And you didn't die
Mon 13:53

So...
JubalEarly Mon 13:53

River is definitely a VM
Mon 13:53

I know MrU is to you
Mon 13:53

but I'd like to be sure
DrCaron Mon 13:53

Ok
JubalEarly Mon 13:53

since this is so close
MrUniverse Mon 13:53

Then when you starve tomorrow, people will just lynch me
JubalEarly Mon 13:53

^
DrCaron Mon 13:53

After today is your guy's show. I'll help anyway I can
Moderator Mon 13:54

DrCaron votes to lynch River
JubalEarly Mon 13:54

ty, if you die then we'll lynch MrU for sure
DrCaron Mon 13:54

Cool
Jayne Mon 13:54

I want higgins and sherriff to talk about this and give me a reason to do one or the other.
Mon 13:54

but also, I want it in the record as clear as can be that Nandi is bad.
JubalEarly Mon 13:55

Jayne I get that you think that because she didn't reveal if you checked her, but when would she have been bad?
Mon 13:56

She's been on the illu, and even if she was recruited last night, she would still have gotten her check
Jayne Mon 13:56

That is past my pay grade. I will let people who have more things they know for sure to work that out. I have only one piece of info.
Mon 13:57

She still has not answered - so to answer your question it must have been before last night if she would have gotten that info anyway.
Mon 13:58

I have not been following this well enough to know if that means anything else.
Mon 13:58

Who did she implicate yesterday?
Mon 14:03

So looks to me like you and nandi are in the same pile, though you seem to be trying to keep your distance. You confirmed nandi last night and that was the info to lynch stitch.
Mon 14:03

sorry yesterday
DrCaron Mon 14:03

Info to kill stitch was me not successfully killing them
MrUniverse Mon 14:04

And Nandi saw him kill operative
Mon 14:04

Because for some reason, the vamps decide to kill everyone in the illuminati EXCEPT the lookout
Jayne Mon 14:07

I hope I don't need to go back through this whole damn game again, maybe I do to follow all of this. I sus nandi of my own info, which is the first person I have had anything to say about this whole game that meant anything. Follow that thread back to wherever it leads, I do not have time to work this all out for myself this morning and I need to leave soon.
JubalEarly Mon 14:09

I think no matter who you ask, they think Stitch was a VM
Jayne Mon 14:09

I want higgins and sherrif to tell me what it means to them, because for some reason I think they will have something to tell me but I am not sure why. Everyone else seems wrapped up in this somehow. Ya just because nandi said something everyone else knew was true does not mean she was lit.
JubalEarly Mon 14:09

River says it, Caron says it, and Nandi say it
Mon 14:09

thats true
Mon 14:09

but she also knew I visited
Mon 14:10

maybe there's a slight chance that she was recruited the same night Op was killed?
Mon 14:11

but when I visited her last night it said she visited herself
Mon 14:11

meaning as of then, she was still a lookout
Mon 14:12

and that also means she couldn't have been recruited that night
Mon 14:12

since no one else visited her
Mon 14:12

so that's why she has to be lit in my eyes
Mon 14:12

because even if she was recruited last night, she still would have seen you visit her
Mon 14:12

making me think she just overlooked you asking today
Jayne Mon 14:12

Unfortunately I have an idea you and nandi are on a team so you verifying each other is not helping me
JubalEarly Mon 14:13

I mean the village team ^^
Mon 14:13

just trying to help verify lit villagers
Mon 14:13

but I get you
Mon 14:13

other people don't have much else to go off of regarding her though
Jayne Mon 14:14

I am not deep enough in the details of all of this as I should be and for that I apologize - when I have time I will try to reconstruct all of this, but hopefully someone who knows what this means and isn't you or nandi can help before I have to vote at the end of today if that even matters.
Mon 14:15

It will matter to someone though because one of our lynches is from you.
JubalEarly Mon 14:15

thats fair
Jayne Mon 14:15

anyway no need to make this more to read - I have to go.
Mon 14:20

and just to point out - still no answer from Nandi about it.
JubalEarly Mon 14:24

Well lets at least wait until she shows up
Nandi Mon 14:25

About what?
MrUniverse Mon 14:25

Did anyone visit you?
Nandi Mon 14:25

Not today.
Mal Mon 14:25

Nandi must still be lookout if they were seen self-visiting with no other visitors 2 nights ago. they could only have been recruited last night, in which case they would still have seen any visits that may or may not have happened
MrUniverse Mon 14:26

There you are Jayne, she says No visitors
JubalEarly Mon 14:26

So Jayne, did you visit her?
Nandi Mon 14:27

I can't vs active.
Mon 14:27

Dirty.
JubalEarly Mon 14:27

?
Monty Mon 14:27

...
MrUniverse Mon 14:29

Hello Monty, we need to organise who we're shooting
Nandi Mon 14:29

Sorry.
Mal Mon 14:30

Someone needs to shoot Fess.
Mon 14:30

I don't care which of you it is. If you're both vamps, then it's in your interest as well anyway!
MrUniverse Mon 14:30

I agree, but do we both do it? Or do we go for 2 targets?
Mon 14:31

Because I still want to shoot Higgins, but if Monty isn't going to shoot Fess, then I will
Mon 14:32

Monty?
Monty Mon 14:34

I will shot Fess.
Mon 14:34

I want to shot MrUni for the lol of it. But meh. Fess is a good target now ^^
Mon 14:35

Mr.Uni, how do we know for sure we can shot tho?
MrUniverse Mon 14:35

River was seen visiting Fess, means Fess is the recruit
Mon 14:35

So, he shouldn't be immune
Monty Mon 14:36

Did you see any changes?
Mon 14:36

I means at night?
Mon 14:37

How could we be sure we have our shot back?
MrUniverse Mon 14:39

I got a mod message
Mal Mon 14:39

You'll get a mod message telling you.
MrUniverse Mon 14:40

Also, the kill button will be back
Monty Mon 14:40

*nods*
Mon 14:40

I see I see
Moderator Mon 14:40

Monty votes to lynch River
MrUniverse Mon 14:41

So, next question to the village, do I shoot Fess as well to guarantee it, or do I go for someone else?
Mon 14:41

My no1 choice is Higgins at the moment
Monty Mon 14:41

Nope
Mon 14:41

I will shot for sure.
Mon 14:42

Don't waste it.
JubalEarly Mon 14:47

any reason Higgins is your first choice?
Mon 14:47

he's sus, but just wondering
Mal Mon 14:48

Higgins claims to have seen him as a Vampire, so if he's claiming not to be one then Higgins makes sense as his direct CC
MrUniverse Mon 14:48

^what Mal said
Mal Mon 15:00

Not entirely sure how I feel about you killing him, but if you're a vamp you're going to kill village anyway so there's not much we can do about that
Nandi Mon 15:27

N2 - Jayne visited the Illuminati (Operative)
Mon 15:27

N3 - Inara, Jayne, and Jubal visited the Illuminati (Inara to Self, Jayne to Inara, don't remember Jubal's)
Mon 15:28

N4 - Lenore, Badger and Higgins visited the Illuminati (Badger to Inara, Lenore unknown, don't remember Higgins)
Mon 15:28

N5 - Jubal visited the Illuminati (don't remember Jubal's)
Mon 15:28

N6 - Fess and Stitch visited the Illuminati (Stitch to Tracey, don't remember Fess')
Mon 15:29

N7 - Jubal and Stitch visited the Illuminati (Jubal to Nandin, Stitch to Operative)
Mon 15:29

N8 - Forever alone
Monty Mon 15:38

I'm always alone.
Mon 15:38

I will shot Fess tonight.
Mon 15:38

It's final. (Unless the is strong reason for not to)
Mon 15:38

Night night ^^
Mon 15:38

Bye!
Mon 15:39

*there is
MrUniverse Mon 15:46

Bye
Fess Mon 15:59

Whoa what is this heresy?
Mon 16:00

I dont see any reason for anyone but the basement to have the Inq killed.
Mon 16:01

Or a secret wc user club perhaps?
Mon 16:04

Found it. It was Jubal...
Mon 16:04

You guys got played.
Higgins Mon 16:06

I think this could be MrU's basement action
Fess Mon 16:07

I'm not mad. This is the vamp team showing us how it's done. Light the Inq on fire.
Mon 16:07

MrU?
Higgins Mon 16:07

Honestly, i wanted to check Jubal because he was so sus with so many guessable check
Mon 16:07

MrU is vamp
Fess Mon 16:07

Ah
Mon 16:07

Right
Higgins Mon 16:08

We are lynching him so his basement need to direct the lynch to someone else
Fess Mon 16:09

And looks like he's succeeding...
Mon 16:09

Welp. It's your call guys. I'm just gonna crawl back in my coffin bed.
Mon 16:10

See yah.
Jayne Mon 16:10

so Higgins saying jubal is lying?
Higgins Mon 16:10

River sounds different to me and her activity is strange. But busy life can happen
Mon 16:10

Jayne, just a theory
Mon 16:11

Dr said she would try to eat MrU
Mon 16:11

MrU's basement knew he can get lynched today
Mon 16:11

Do they could have discussed in night chat and make this this thing up
Mon 16:12

To direct the lynch to someone else not them
Fess Mon 16:12

(im sus of those who immediately believed it)
Higgins Mon 16:13

We lynched Zoe twice and lynched Wash once. We haven't lynched MrU anytime so i assume his basement is the largest basement here
DrCaron Mon 16:14

I'm a little confused as to why River is to be lynched in place of MrU
MrUniverse Mon 16:14

Jubal caught River visiting Fess. This means she's a vamp that recruited Fess
Mon 16:15

So lynch River, Monty shoots Fess, and that's probably a vamp basement done
Higgins Mon 16:15

Yea, assume that is "a basement"
MrUniverse Mon 16:16

Then, should you die in the night because you starve, I get lynched tomorrow
DrCaron Mon 16:17

but you get a night action
Higgins Mon 16:18

Honestly, we need to lynch MrU. Like i said hisd basement is the largest here. Even if River is vamp and we kill her basement and maybe Zoe's basement is gone too, MrU can win
MrUniverse Mon 16:18

Sure, I will shoot Higgins to try and prove myself.
Mon 16:18

Again
Mon 16:18

But, taking out a vamp team means no more kills from them
Mon 16:18

Less deaths per night
Moderator Mon 16:19

DrCaron votes to lynch MrUniverse
Higgins Mon 16:19

Lynch vamp is less deth per night too
DrCaron Mon 16:19

^^^^
Higgins Mon 16:19

Vamp can't kill in gy
DrCaron Mon 16:19

co-rekt
Higgins Mon 16:20

Sheriff is the weirdest one here for me
Mon 16:20

He seems really weird
Mon 16:20

A little bit different than before but he didn't talk much so i can't know much
MrUniverse Mon 16:21

So, according to this logic, lynching me or river prevents a kill. But you know river's familiar
DrCaron Mon 16:21

and i know you're a VM
Mal Mon 16:21

I would rather you didn't shoot Higgins. If you're not lit, then higgins is - voting River today is becuase we know her Fam and can wipe the whole lot out in 1 day, not becuase we trust you
DrCaron Mon 16:21

so by lynching you you waste a night changing bodies
Higgins Mon 16:21

Assume River is fam
MrUniverse Mon 16:22

But Fess is defending her? So, recruit seems more likely
Mal Mon 16:22

I'm pretty certain River is a vamp now with Fess as a fam
Mon 16:22

I was certain yesterday, I'm extra-certain today
Higgins Mon 16:23

MrU's basement night chat: Jubal: hey, i have this idea. River was sus today with her activity. Let's frame her tmr because it's really easy to frame her so MrU won't be lynched.
MrUniverse Mon 16:24

Why wouldn't I shoot Higgins? I appreciate no-one else sees me as lit, but I know I am, and I know Higgins is lying, so he's my best shot
Mon 16:24

You think Jubal can fake Harlot claims for how long?
Mon 16:24

I'm curious
Higgins Mon 16:25

Tell me, did he have any check thay isn't hard to fake?
Mal Mon 16:25

MrU: sure, but from our PoV you're highly questionable, so anyone you want to kill isn't as clear-cut for us
Higgins Mon 16:25

Can anyone tell me all Jubal's check again?
Mon 16:26

Is there any check that isn't hard to fake?
SheriffBourne Mon 16:26

I think MrU is the better lynch just because we've been postponing it too long
Higgins Mon 16:26

*isn't easy to fake
SheriffBourne Mon 16:26

Oh my first message didn't get through?
Mon 16:26

I said I have a busy day, on phone atm
Higgins Mon 16:26

My bad, wrong word
Moderator Mon 16:26

SheriffBourne votes to lynch MrUniverse
SheriffBourne Mon 16:27

Jayne you might actually specify on Nandi now? Do you cc her?
Higgins Mon 16:27

I think he doesn't
Mon 16:28

If he cc her, he should have said it
SheriffBourne Mon 16:28

So far she seems in order, but Im glad you scrutinise her
MrUniverse Mon 16:28

Apparently, probably taking out a whole team of vamps is bad
Higgins Mon 16:28

Assume inq is "a whole team of vamps"
MrUniverse Mon 16:28

I'm sure Simon and Lawrence were lit
Mon 16:29

And river and Fess were, at one point
Mon 16:29

But not now
Higgins Mon 16:29

I'm sure MrU was never lit at any point
MrUniverse Mon 16:29

Haha, yes I'm aware
SheriffBourne Mon 16:30

There's too many loose ends on your side, MrU. Too many people who claimed you are evil
Mon 16:30

It's more solid a case than against Inq, although I'm aware they might in fact be evil...
MrUniverse Mon 16:30

2 people, a "drunk turned seer" and a mw that has never killed
Mon 16:31

Paragons of virtue, both
DrCaron Mon 16:31

accusing me accuses jubal
Mon 16:31

for the last 3 days
SheriffBourne Mon 16:31

Which invalidates the case against Inq
Mon 16:31

Which brings us back to MrU
Mon 16:31

Circle complete! :)
Higgins Mon 16:31

Honestly, if people won't lynch MrU today, i will happy to let him kill me because i'm done with this shit
MrUniverse Mon 16:31

How?
Higgins Mon 16:32

Jubal's check so far is too guessable
SheriffBourne Mon 16:32

It's Jubal's report which is incriminating on Inq, righr?
Higgins Mon 16:32

Yes
SheriffBourne Mon 16:32

I skimmed during class today so maybe I'm not correct somewhere
Mal Mon 16:32

Jubal's report, and River being obviously not RIver
MrUniverse Mon 16:32

Along with Fess stating yesterday that River never spoke in night chat
Higgins Mon 16:33

River just inactive
Mal Mon 16:33

and Fess saying they weren't in night chat 2 nights ago, but recanting today after river just ignored the day yesterday
SheriffBourne Mon 16:33

Mal, what you think about MrU?
Higgins Mon 16:33

River just didn't appear in night chat in 1 night
Mal Mon 16:33

If River was River yesterday they would have replied to Fess claiming they weren't in the chat, same as Nandi/Tracey/Operative did to each other the other day
Higgins Mon 16:33

So people think she was vamp and recruited Fess to let him confirm hẻ
Mal Mon 16:34

SheriffBourne: He's probably a vamp based on the evidence we have against him, but we don't know his fams so killing him today just moves him somewhere unknown tomorrow
Higgins Mon 16:34

Fess didn't give her code to confirm her :/
Mal Mon 16:34

Higgins: you just need to comment on anything that was said in the night chat
Mon 16:34

"you said hello at 21:05"
Mon 16:34

sorted.
Mon 16:35

SheriffBourne: Lynching River and Monty killing Fess however ensures that we kill off proabbly a whole team
SheriffBourne Mon 16:35

I think a solid chance at moving VM and not having them active at night is worthwhile
DrCaron Mon 16:35

^^^
Higgins Mon 16:35

Yes, but yesterday was weekend and people is inactive that day
Mal Mon 16:36

The more higgins defends River the more I think he's also part of that family.
Higgins Mon 16:36

She could just show up one time on phone to vote
SheriffBourne Mon 16:36

Mal is fam? ;)
Higgins Mon 16:36

Sure, i'm part of that family
Mon 16:36

Clearly that you haven't seen that happened before
Mal Mon 16:37

SheriffBourne: I'd say that River is a solid chance of moving a VM and not having them active at night, but also removing their fam and permamently putting a stop to that VM
Jayne Mon 16:37

I am not CC nandini
Moderator Mon 16:37

Jayne votes to lynch MrUniverse
SheriffBourne Mon 16:37

Cool
Higgins Mon 16:38

Assume that is "a vamp basement". Get rid of that basement just clear way for MrU's basement to win
Jayne Mon 16:38

I am checking in on mobile while doing other things
Mal Mon 16:38

Higgins: I've seen players be inactive, but River isnt' River. The tone is different, them gossing over Fess yesterday, I guarentee you they are a vamp and fess is their fam
Mon 16:39

I wouldn't be surprised if they try to kill me today to stop me bleating on about it
Higgins Mon 16:39

As long as there is another vamp basement, vamp can't win if they can't get rid of that basement first
Mal Mon 16:39

today/tonight *
SheriffBourne Mon 16:39

What about: lynch MrU, shoot in other basement?
Mon 16:39

We spread our resources
Higgins Mon 16:40

Did we kill MrU's fam once?
Mal Mon 16:40

We've no idea who's fams we've killed
Higgins Mon 16:40

His basement could be thr largest here with full team, 1 vamp + 4 fams
Mal Mon 16:40

I think you're fearmongering now
Higgins Mon 16:41

I think you are wanting to lynch River too fast
Mal Mon 16:41

If he has 5 people total, and then there is Fess+River, then we're all fucked anyway as that only leaves 4 of us as still village
SheriffBourne Mon 16:42

On another note, I'd like us to keep giving options to roles like Jubal and Jayne, perhaps by visiting Nandi, to confirm these people /draw out ccs
Mal Mon 16:42

I've explained why I think River is the better lynch, it's a chance at possibly a whole basement. We have no idea where MrU will go once we lynch him so we're back to page 1 on that
Higgins Mon 16:42

We have River to lynch
SheriffBourne Mon 16:42

All roles could be fammed by now, Harlot is no exception (Jubal commented on this)
Higgins Mon 16:43

Why do we have to lynch River today?
Mal Mon 16:43

We don't have to, I'm saying that I think they're a better lynch.
Mon 16:43

Also, if there is even any doubt about DrCaron, that gets wiped out tonight anyway when he starves, MrU won't be able to defend against that tomorrow
Higgins Mon 16:44

No, they aren't better lynch. This is clearing the way for MrU to win
MrUniverse Mon 16:45

I thought there were 3 vm?
Higgins Mon 16:45

Yes, there were
MrUniverse Mon 16:45

If we assume I'm 1, and River is another, that still leaves another out there
SheriffBourne Mon 16:45

DrCaron could be fam and be killed tonight - anticipate a spin doctor on that one
MrUniverse Mon 16:45

No vamps are winning anytime soon
Higgins Mon 16:45

Anyone sounds like Zoe today or suddenly inactive like her?
SheriffBourne Mon 16:46

Point is, there can always be a reason to not lynch MrU that specific day
MrUniverse Mon 16:46

If Caron dies in the night, I'm screwed no matter what
Mon 16:46

I mean, I would try and defend, but that would be real pointless
Higgins Mon 16:47

I'm done here. If you still alive, pls kill me <3
SheriffBourne Mon 16:47

Still, killing you today seems better :)
MrUniverse Mon 16:47

Well, you're wrong. I think you're just upset I shot Fanty
Mal Mon 16:48

Honestly, if we only have 4 village left (MrU, 4 Fams, River/Fess) - then we may aswell throw in the towel now. Dr will die tonight leaving 3 of us left, depending on who the vamps kill tonight leaves us in a position of "fucked"
Jayne Mon 16:49

if Higgins and Sheriff are voting mrU I am with them
DrCaron Mon 16:49

@Mal: that is really bleak
SheriffBourne Mon 16:49

Who's fear mongering now, Mal?
MrUniverse Mon 16:49

He's literally repeating what Higgins said
Mal Mon 16:49

I'm not fearmongering, I'm replying to Higgins's theory of what things look like
Jayne Mon 16:50

though everyone who says do what I want or I quit - I dislike that argument
MrUniverse Mon 16:50

Also, @Jayne, why are you just following them blindly?
Mal Mon 16:50

Anyway, I need to go for a bit, got a train to catch and I'm travelling for work for a couple of days so i may be less available in the coming days due to meetings etc
Jayne Mon 16:50

I am blind no matter who I follow - right now I tend to trust them more than others
MrUniverse Mon 16:53

But why them?
Mal Mon 16:53

I'm leaving my vote where it is, I think that's our best shot at slowing the rate of kills long-term not just for 1 night.
MrUniverse Mon 16:53

Why not others?
Jayne Mon 16:54

Higgins I checked once and he seems to make sense - sheriff has been solid the whole game and is a sub faction I can win with and seems to have the least aggressive tactics
MrUniverse Mon 16:54

Lacking in aggression doesn't mean they're lit, but I appreciate the answer
Nandi Mon 16:54

I'm the Illuminati Lookout, always have been, always will be.
Jayne Mon 16:55

and to be clear I am not sure about anything
Mal Mon 16:56

Jayne: fwiw, you can win with all the subfactions.
Nandi Mon 16:56

Yes, but I still don't know if the Masons will let that happen.
Mon 16:56

For us to win, we just need me to die and the Sheriff.
Jayne Mon 16:57

ya I keep hoping someone will kill me while I am still village so I don't get recruited into some loser team
Mal Mon 16:57

Nandi: you win as long as SheriffBourne is the only mason, Sheriff claims he needs you dead to win - but the rest of us win regardless of what happens you guys
Jayne Mon 16:59

but seems I am ending up still alive and need to do something
Nandi Mon 16:59

I don't even know why the Vampires didn't bother to kill nor recruit me.
Jayne Mon 16:59

so nandini answered so for the nothing this is worth, sheriff is not WC
Nandi Mon 17:00

Well, some nothing is worth more than nothing.
JubalEarly Mon 17:01

haven't really read up
Mon 17:02

I prefer the lynch on River but I think MrU is a fine option
Mon 17:02

but as long as you guys believe me about her recruiting Fess then it's all good
Nandi Mon 17:06

Do we know Stitch's familiar?
Mon 17:06

Or familiars?
Mal Mon 17:26

We do not. Same for MrU
JubalEarly Mon 18:50

besides Stitch, we know Fess is a new fam and MrU should have a new one
Mon 18:50

if Caron were recruited, does that mean she would no longer starve?
Mal Mon 19:25

Correct
Mon 19:26

Which is partly why I wanted to leave MrU until tomorrow. DrCaron dying or not tells us something about his likely movements last night
Nandi Mon 20:01

Well, so far, it'll just be one more person you need to convinve.
Mon 20:01

*convince
Mon 20:01

I'm fine with either or dying.
Mon 20:02

I'm NOT fine with one of our own being a Familiar!
MrUniverse Mon 20:28

Well, this is disappointing, River is still the better lynch. Gets you the same theoretical result as lynching me, but the village gets more information on various people
JubalEarly Mon 20:54

im also fine with either one, if Caron dies tonight at least we know we lynched correctly
Mon 20:54

hopefully monty is lit and shoots fess though
Mon 20:54

before they come up with some crazy story xD
MrUniverse Mon 20:54

That would at least be something
Mon 20:55

Man, I'm disappointed in myself for not shooting Higgins. Oh well, maybe this will the mistake that hammers that lesson home
Mon 20:55

*Will be the mistake
JubalEarly Mon 20:57

Also I guess either VM is likely to kill me but I feel like it would more-so be River since I'm accusing her
Mon 20:57

she'll just say I died because harlot is the best remaining village role
Mon 20:57

which may be true, but I assume its still her going to kill me lol
Mon 20:58

good luck everyone
MrUniverse Mon 20:59

Yeah, good luck everyone
Mon 20:59

And by vamps, finally got me
Mon 20:59

*and gg vamps
Moderator Mon 20:59

A new moon rises...
JubalEarly Mon 20:59

oh and last thought, not that it matters
Mon 20:59

but I'm almost positive river was around last night
Mon 21:00

but just went with the: "if I don't talk I don't need to prove myself Strat"
Mon 21:00

anyway cya
Lynched Mon 21:00

MrUniverse was lynched by the village
Moderator Tue 09:00

Dawn...
Killed Tue 09:00

DrCaron was killed during the night
Killed Tue 09:00

JubalEarly was killed during the night
Killed Tue 09:00

Fess was killed during the night

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