ext-296 Day 4 | Masons vs Illuminati Werewolf Game

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Operative Wed 09:01

Good morning all
Inara Wed 09:01

Those are two intriguing kills.
Simon Wed 09:01

Morning
Lenore Wed 09:01

Oh, goodie. We have something more of a pace now.
Simon Wed 09:01

Lawrence is a sad loss as I successfully recruited him
Operative Wed 09:01

Atherton is a weird one
Lenore Wed 09:01

Well, I know Atherton's killer.
Simon Wed 09:01

So he was a lit GD
Wed 09:02

Lenore do tell
Wed 09:02

Is it MrU?
Lenore Wed 09:02

Nope.
Wed 09:02

It's Fanty.
Simon Wed 09:02

Okay I'll put a pin in that one
Operative Wed 09:02

Something didn't smell right about that guy
Monty Wed 09:02

*sigh*
Simon Wed 09:03

So what's your claim as proof?
Inara Wed 09:03

Lenore, what's your claim? Just, for the record?
Monty Wed 09:03

Morning
Lenore Wed 09:03

Both my N1 and N2 haven't moved.
Stitch Wed 09:03

sherperd was familiar
Lenore Wed 09:03

Stalker, of course.
Simon Wed 09:03

I won't be fooled again
Moderator Wed 09:03

Inara votes to lynch Fanty
Stitch Wed 09:03

well done guys
Moderator Wed 09:03

Simon votes to lynch Fanty
Inara Wed 09:03

Another GD, eh?
Stitch Wed 09:03

no
Wed 09:03

gv
Moderator Wed 09:03

Operative votes to lynch Fanty
Stitch Wed 09:03

i got beholder last night on lawrence
Lenore Wed 09:04

Hmm...
Inara Wed 09:04

Interesting.
Simon Wed 09:04

Interesting
Lenore Wed 09:04

So we just need River to confirm on it.
Inara Wed 09:04

Stitch, what have been your other rolls?
Wed 09:04

Or should that be roles
Wed 09:04

?
Simon Wed 09:04

Well Lawrence was lit and River may have checked Bester
Lenore Wed 09:04

Anyways, I'll keep the people I stalked on N1 and N2 as my own secret as I feel they'll come up with a bullshit role claim once asked.
Stitch Wed 09:05

i got reviver d2
Simon Wed 09:05

Fair enough for now Lenore but you could be fam/ghoul
Stitch Wed 09:05

im beholder again tonight
Lenore Wed 09:05

Sure Simon.
Inara Wed 09:06

Stitch, why didn't you revive Kaylee?
Simon Wed 09:06

Looking forward to Fess' report
Stitch Wed 09:06

cause she might've been coven
Monty Wed 09:06

Why no revived?
Wed 09:06

Nuuuu
Stitch Wed 09:06

due to the whole thing with inara
Monty Wed 09:06

-_-
Operative Wed 09:06

So have you lost that recruit now Simon?
Stitch Wed 09:07

i thought that it wouldn't be worth the risk
Lenore Wed 09:07

If we got a fam though (as a dig), then there's a good chance that Fanty is a VM himself.
Moderator Wed 09:07

Lenore votes to lynch Fanty
Moderator Wed 09:07

Monty votes to lynch Fanty
Stitch Wed 09:07

why him?
Monty Wed 09:07

The game pretty fast
Lenore Wed 09:07

I stalked him kill Atherton last night.
Stitch Wed 09:07

ok
Monty Wed 09:07

Bad feeling. Bad feeling
Moderator Wed 09:07

Stitch votes to lynch Fanty
Inara Wed 09:07

Monty?
Simon Wed 09:08

Any role could have visited, doesn't mean a kill
Wed 09:08

I visited Lawrence for example
River Wed 09:08

Sorry I'm stuck can't play today, busy listening to Rivers of Babylon
Monty Wed 09:08

Inara.
Wed 09:09

What is it?
Lenore Wed 09:09

Could have, but I don't see any reason to trust Fanty. @Simon
River Wed 09:09

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYK9iCRb7S4
Simon Wed 09:09

S'okay sis, what was your check?
Inara Wed 09:09

Monty, what is your "bad feeling" about?
River Wed 09:09

why'd you know I go and check Bester????
Wed 09:09

anyway, he was ...
Wed 09:09

PERV
Monty Wed 09:09

I said this game is too fast
Inara Wed 09:09

Hmm..
Monty Wed 09:09

*bad feeling*
Lenore Wed 09:09

Ahhh, this is going to be a bunch of stalkers huh.
Badger Wed 09:10

Good morning. Sorry I was AFK yesterday.
Monty Wed 09:10

Seem like vampire game to me.
Inara Wed 09:10

Monty, I don't know what you mean by "too fast".
Simon Wed 09:10

Vamps super confirmed
Badger Wed 09:10

Leonore. Good catch on Fanty.
Monty Wed 09:10

Inara. Let me be
Inara Wed 09:10

No, you're weird.
Operative Wed 09:10

River, your check?
Inara Wed 09:10

I don't like weird.
Simon Wed 09:10

Bester check seemed sensible as it was the only death
Operative Wed 09:11

Yeah but what was he
Badger Wed 09:11

Shepherd being dug as Familiar kind of confirms my theory of Inara being Vamp and Shepherd her familiar. Claiming prot is a safe claim for a role that is night immune.
Inara Wed 09:11

@Operative, River checked Bester as a stalker.
Operative Wed 09:11

Ok
Monty Wed 09:11

Huh.
Wed 09:11

Ah.
Moderator Wed 09:11

Higgins votes to lynch Fanty
Monty Wed 09:11

Ye ye.
Higgins Wed 09:11

hmmmmmm
Operative Wed 09:11

We got stalkers coming out the wazoo
Inara Wed 09:12

Badger, and I just guessed that Kaylee was a ML?
River Wed 09:12

Prot is not night immune..
Badger Wed 09:13

@Inara. Well. What do you mean you just guessed Kaylee was ML? As far as I recall it, a failed recruit wasn't one of your listed reasons how she died despite your protection.
Lenore Wed 09:13

I'll let Badger speak for themselves about this, but I don't agree with their theory. Sounds moree like someone is trying tin-foils for their new fashion choice.
Badger Wed 09:14

I know prot is not night immune, but vamps are. It's difficult to kill a prot because you never know when he/she self prots.
Wed 09:14

Anyway. It's just a theory I'm throwing out there.
Higgins Wed 09:15

Did Atherton ever talk anything seems important? Is this another inactive kill? Seems weird when they keep killing inactive people
Badger Wed 09:15

I'm not pursuing it today. I'll hold on to it to a day where we have little to go on.
Wed 09:15

Today our most solid lead is Fanty.
Wed 09:15

I will leave my vote on him and await his defense.
Moderator Wed 09:15

Badger votes to lynch Fanty
Monty Wed 09:16

Tbh, we still need to wait Fancy claim
Stitch Wed 09:16

i'm doubting fanty is the vampire
Simon Wed 09:16

So my MrU line considering dead ML. Kaylee and MrU had a good chat D1 so he was the likely recruit target.
Stitch Wed 09:16

i reckon vampire was the killer of lawrence
Lenore Wed 09:16

Considering vampires, there have to be multiple of them in this game.
Wed 09:17

So it doesn't have to be just one vampire target.
Moderator Wed 09:17

Simon votes to lynch MrUniverse
Stitch Wed 09:17

considering wolves im guessing 2 vamp
Wed 09:17

plus a small wolf team
Lenore Wed 09:17

I'd like to see a small wolf team for this to make more sense.
Simon Wed 09:17

Any evidence of wolves?
Lenore Wed 09:17

None so far.
Monty Wed 09:19

Multi Vampire?
Lenore Wed 09:19

2 VMs is the bare minimum for a setup this big.
Stitch Wed 09:19

do you think we have 3 vamps
Wed 09:19

287 style
Lenore Wed 09:19

It's plausible.
Wed 09:20

As I said, 2 is a bare minimum. No wolves = 3 VMs.
Monty Wed 09:20

Too many stalker
Badger Wed 09:20

I'm going to eat now. See you guys later
Monty Wed 09:20

Multi GD
Stitch Wed 09:20

are you a woofy
Monty Wed 09:20

Woof.
Wed 09:20

We are playing werewolves ^^
Lenore Wed 09:21

I'm not discussing any further on setup speculation. Every time we do it some fucker has to bring in tons of shitposting.
Wed 09:22

For now we know there are vamps in here. Stick to it first.
Monty Wed 09:22

Cool Lenore
Wed 09:22

^^
Simon Wed 09:22

I'd like claims from Fanty and MrU
Moderator Wed 09:22

Lenore votes to lynch MrUniverse
Lenore Wed 09:23

I'll move to a different stack so we have it easier in case Fanty is convincing enough.
Fess Wed 09:23

It was another cloudy day...
Lenore Wed 09:23

Any heretics?
Fess Wed 09:23

Nope.
Simon Wed 09:24

Tell em the target
Fess Wed 09:24

It was Niska
Moderator Wed 09:24

Fess votes to lynch Fanty
Monty Wed 09:24

Hn
Lenore Wed 09:24

Faithful?
Simon Wed 09:24

May want to move to MrU
Fess Wed 09:24

Looks like Fanty wont be asv-ing ever again
Stitch Wed 09:24

are you inquis or WH?
Fess Wed 09:25

Inq
Wed 09:25

Niska is faithful
Monty Wed 09:25

What is ur full check?
Wed 09:25

@fess
Inara Wed 09:26

Maybe you should read back yesterday and find out.
Fess Wed 09:26

Atherton and Mr.U both faithful
Wed 09:26

I'll save u the effort
Monty Wed 09:27

Thanks
Lenore Wed 09:27

I'll need to get moving for work.
Monty Wed 09:28

Yes I will read yesterday eventually
SheriffBourne Wed 09:35

I agree with Lenore on less setup speculation and shitposting. Reading what I missed yesterday I had to dig through a lot of shit.
Wed 09:36

I like the developments, we got a few people pointing fingers at each other, at least we know one of both parties is evil. Something we can work with.
Moderator Wed 09:36

River votes to lynch Fanty
SheriffBourne Wed 09:36

For now I have nothing to add to the discussion and will vote along with the main pile. A visit on somebody that dies seems evidence enough for now.
Moderator Wed 09:37

SheriffBourne votes to lynch Fanty
SheriffBourne Wed 09:37

I do worry we have one pile that becomes too large if we want to move elsewhere, the evidence is not undefeatable (iykwim)
Wed 09:38

Niska as faithful should probably speak up today and share whatever they have for the village, before being killed or something
Wed 09:38

g2g for now, didn't have much time but wanted to leave a short constructive note
Simon Wed 09:38

Agreed Sheriff hence the votes for MrU
River Wed 09:39

The pile thing is a concern
Wed 09:39

it makes village lazy
Wed 09:39

so I'll move for the moment
Wed 09:39

for further considerations
Moderator Wed 09:40

River votes to lynch MrUniverse
Simon Wed 09:42

I'd like my GD back if someone has a revive going spare please
Inara Wed 09:42

Hmm.
River Wed 09:42

Did you protect last night inara?
Inara Wed 09:42

Yes.
Monty Wed 09:42

Sweet Simon
Inara Wed 09:43

I'm not _that_ unreliable.
Simon Wed 09:43

You can die second to last, Inara can watch you burn.
Inara Wed 09:43

HMMM.
Wed 09:43

Great way to make friends, Simon.
Wed 09:43

"Do me a favour and I won't kill you quite as horribly".
River Wed 09:43

I already told them to not burn you too hard.
Wed 09:44

else you come up as undetermined
Simon Wed 09:45

Everyone has life objectives to achieve, I'm just honest about mine. I might as well enjoy them as I do them!
River Wed 09:46

prot would still win, even if lynched :P
Fanty Wed 09:53

Well hello village and stalker. I am Maplewolf, I killed because I had to and I killed the inactive player who didn't vote or talk,
Wed 09:53

But I am a killing role for the village, so it's definitely good to keep me alive as if I understand correctly, I can kill everynight I'm alive
Wed 09:54

Otherwise, if undead are in this, ghouls could get me.
Wed 09:55

But anyways yeah, people who continue to vote for me are less likely to be village in my eyes as I'm a very useful role ��‍♂️
Stitch Wed 09:55

ngl, that makes sense
Niska Wed 09:56

Hi Fanty, I see you found the kill button too, gj keep up the killing
Operative Wed 10:00

That does make sense
Moderator Wed 10:00

Operative votes to lynch MrUniverse
Operative Wed 10:00

I'll switch for now
Simon Wed 10:00

Fair enough Fanty. MrU and Niska your turn to claim
Stitch Wed 10:00

i'll switch as well
Moderator Wed 10:00

Stitch votes to lynch MrUniverse
Inara Wed 10:00

I won't.
Fanty Wed 10:00

Also, 2 or 3 VMs in this game seems kinda unlikely. VMs are at their squishiest when they have no familiars. And are we to believe that the 3 unaccounted for deaths over 3 nights were from just one VM getting one familiar each night? The odds seem longish
River Wed 10:01

this was your first snack?
Tracey Wed 10:02

Morning everyone
Niska Wed 10:02

what does it mean to be faithful, clearly I am a good person, so being faithful is good right?
River Wed 10:03

Faithful = not wc
Wed 10:03

heretic = wc
Simon Wed 10:03

Niska cut the clueless act
River Wed 10:03

and then there's like fanatical which is the 3rd
Niska Wed 10:03

ah, yes. I dont do magic
Simon Wed 10:03

What do you do?
Niska Wed 10:03

forgot
Fanty Wed 10:03

Yep River, my first kill. On night two it said "You may wait 2 more nights before you need to kill to survive", so I thought I had until at least night 4 (that message is very confusing)
Inara Wed 10:04

"confusing"
Fanty Wed 10:04

Then last night it said you are nearing starvation you must kill or you will die. So I had to kill and I killed the inactive player since we have no leads and he wasn't a big loss to the game anyways
River Wed 10:04

I trust fanty
Wed 10:04

the message is really that confusing^^
Wed 10:05

wouldn't be the first mw to starve
Wed 10:05

or it's a good act^^
Fanty Wed 10:05

Well it is Inara. If it says you have 2 nights before you HAVE to kill, then it implies you can wait til night until night 4 until you have to kill
Inara Wed 10:05

On the other hand. MW KOS?
River Wed 10:05

depends on what we think about coven
Fanty Wed 10:05

Also, why are you still sus of me exactly Inara?
River Wed 10:05

don't pull a helix on me INara
Operative Wed 10:06

I don't think coven are here tbh
Inara Wed 10:06

What's the point in the Inq if we don't have coven?
Fanty Wed 10:06

My thinking behind lack of vampires is that it's been slow on the kill front
Inara Wed 10:06

Just to give another village sub faction.
Wed 10:06

?
Fanty Wed 10:07

I can't speak for the rest of the factions so far
Operative Wed 10:07

Maybe all evils aren't wc users
Fanty Wed 10:07

Have ext games without werewolves in them ever happened?
Operative Wed 10:07

I don't know,there just hasn't been any coven bs yet
River Wed 10:07

yes
Wed 10:07

it happens
Inara Wed 10:07

Fanty, if I give you a target, will you kill them tonight?
River Wed 10:07

*grabs popcorn*
Fanty Wed 10:08

Inara, if you give me a target that is both sensible and I can reliably believe you are village and they are not, then sure
Inara Wed 10:08

Hmm.
River Wed 10:08

Still think Inara has to be lit, gambling on Kaylee being some role that dies on itself is near impossible
Higgins Wed 10:08

i think mw is a good claim for vamp
Inara Wed 10:08

You're not worried about a succubus then.
Fanty Wed 10:08

But my god imagine the possibilities if you are evil, you just pick a village role you are aware of and go for them? Ridiculous request when we have no proof and you haven't claimed
Simon Wed 10:08

I suggest Niska
Moderator Wed 10:09

Tracey votes to lynch MrUniverse
Inara Wed 10:09

Fanty, um.
Tracey Wed 10:09

just finished reading, going to put this on MrU for now
Inara Wed 10:09

You might want to read back some days.
Fanty Wed 10:09

Or have you claimed haha?
Operative Wed 10:09

Niska needs to claim because he is suss af
River Wed 10:09

why?
Inara Wed 10:09

I was literally the first person to claim x_x.
Tracey Wed 10:09

as it balances it out. MW is a convenient claim but not out of the question
Moderator Wed 10:09

Inara votes to lynch MrUniverse
Fanty Wed 10:09

Sorry Inara. Either way, if it settles your jimmies, I can kill another inactive player tonight if we have someone who doesn't vote or talk today
River Wed 10:09

with the low Kill count, an MW would also fit the setup
Niska Wed 10:09

I what? what does claiming mean?
Higgins Wed 10:10

seems like people believe mw claim
Wed 10:10

so
Moderator Wed 10:10

Higgins votes to lynch Niska
Fanty Wed 10:10

Just to prove my mapleness.
Tracey Wed 10:10

it would, im voting MrU for now but happy to change my mind
Wed 10:10

based on new evidence, should he provide it
Inara Wed 10:11

Fanty, I don't want you to kill just because. I just wanted to see how you reacted to my request.
River Wed 10:11

I'm not sure on the claim, but enough to wait a bit
Wed 10:11

without getting into too much setup talk, the role would fit
Wed 10:11

and we know who he killed
Operative Wed 10:11

I hate it when people play dumb, Niska stop
Fanty Wed 10:11

I'll likely get killed by evil people now at some point in next couple of days, so remember that I'm not an ss or a shifter or whatever. If we have GDs then feel free to dig me up and confirm, but I suggest I am a low priority to check.
River Wed 10:11

which is definitely more of an MW than an evil kill.
Niska Wed 10:11

why you think I am sus or need to die :( Simon and Operative q.q
Fanty Wed 10:12

Haha Inara, did I pass your virtue test?
Wed 10:13

Also, as an aside, as I would like to survive, I'll only kill an inactive tonight if we have at least 2 inactives/non-voters, as a sneaky OW or something might come along and at least 2 inactives is 50/50 odds of me survivinf
Inara Wed 10:13

I mean, a vampire wouldn't be worried about a succubus, so you're not fully clear... But, we can't all be perfect.
Wed 10:14

I like that Simon agrees with me about MrU though.
Wed 10:14

Even if its a day late :p
Fanty Wed 10:14

Feel free to sus me, I assume we have a seer of some sort. I also didn't think of succubus
Operative Wed 10:15

MrU has more votes than you dude
Higgins Wed 10:15

i think Niska is more sus than MrU :P
Niska Wed 10:15

even Higgins :(
Operative Wed 10:16

Yeah Niska is giving me banshee vibes
Wed 10:16

But I don't even think there's UD
Higgins Wed 10:17

i don't think we have UD either
Wed 10:17

this game could just have vamp and coven
Wed 10:17

if we have few vamp then there are a lot of coven
River Wed 10:17

the game is so HUGE
Niska Wed 10:18

there are plenty more people sus than me silently hiding and biding their time to overthrow our poor village
Higgins Wed 10:19

Fanty can eat them :P
River Wed 10:20

lol
Higgins Wed 10:20

BE MORE ACTIVE OR YOU WILL BE EATEN BY MW
River Wed 10:20

I mean even if fanty is vamp, if he eats who we want him to, good stuff :D
Moderator Wed 10:21

Operative votes to lynch Niska
Operative Wed 10:21

MrU has enough
River Wed 10:22

has niska claimed yet?
Operative Wed 10:22

No
Fanty Wed 10:22

Are we settled on vamps then? Is the theory that they accidentally killed an evil trying to recruit?
River Wed 10:22

I didn't find it between the tears
Niska Wed 10:22

why you need my claim
Fanty Wed 10:23

Or that the other three deaths are purposeful?
Higgins Wed 10:23

because you are sus
Stitch Wed 10:24

you are stupidly sus
Niska Wed 10:25

if I am so sus surely a seer would have checked me by now
Simon Wed 10:25

Maybe they have but don't want to out themselves
Niska Wed 10:26

i go sleep am tired, push for some others to claim, surely there are plenty of other fish
Moderator Wed 10:27

Simon votes to lynch Niska
Higgins Wed 10:27

there are plenty of fish for mw to eat
Stitch Wed 10:27

agreed
Wed 10:27

niska is top of my list
Moderator Wed 10:31

River votes to lynch Niska
Higgins Wed 10:31

i think Fanty can eat Patience at some point if he won't active more and say something useful
Simon Wed 10:32

Careful Higgins you're almost being helpful to the village
River Wed 10:32

lol
Higgins Wed 10:32

lel
Fanty Wed 10:33

Hahaha, Higgins is pretty death hungry from the messages I've seen
Wed 10:33

Either just keen for progress and likes a good ol' lynch
Wed 10:33

Or a naugjty nauhjty evil boi
Wed 10:34

Sorry I'm on phone so can't ctrl+f to your claim Higgins, what was it?
Higgins Wed 10:34

did i ever claim something?
Wed 10:34

let me see
Wed 10:34

oh, i claimed banshee on d2
Wed 10:34

do you like it? :D
River Wed 10:42

. . .
Higgins Wed 10:43

https://media.giphy.com/media/dG7ZiL6ImLyNO/giphy.gif
Fanty Wed 10:44

*sigh*
Higgins Wed 10:45

i sell juices :D
Wed 10:45

let me alive if you want something juicy
River Wed 10:46

Potions by any chance? :D
Higgins Wed 10:47

nah, potion isn't juicy
Wed 10:47

i can confirm it
Wed 10:47

i tasted it before
Wed 10:49

wait, something doesn't seem right
Wed 10:49

i wasn't transformed by alchemist
Wed 10:49

just want to let everyone know :D
Moderator Wed 10:53

Saffron votes to lynch Niska
Simon Wed 10:55

Anything to contribute Saffron?
Saffron Wed 10:55

not for now
River Wed 10:55

aha
Wed 10:55

when then?
Saffron Wed 10:56

when I have something useful to say, apparently
River Wed 10:56

any ETA?
Higgins Wed 10:56

ETA?
Saffron Wed 10:57

?
River Wed 10:57

ETA was the main group within the Basque National Liberation Movement and ..... These events marked the end of the armed "counter-terrorist" period in Spain ...
Saffron Wed 10:58

...
Higgins Wed 10:58

. . .
Simon Wed 10:58

Also stands for estimated time of arrival
Saffron Wed 10:59

this game is huge, tbh
Higgins Wed 10:59

just like 295
Badger Wed 11:06

Hi again. Someone mentioned the D1 chat between Kaylee and MrUniverse. It seems likely that she would've tried to recruit him. Fantys claim makes sense and I'm not willing to risk losing a Maple, so I will move my vote.
Moderator Wed 11:06

Badger votes to lynch MrUniverse
Operative Wed 11:19

And we have balance
Wed 11:20

So both Niska and MrU sussed by all
Nandi Wed 11:21

I'm here. Going to catch up on the day.
JubalEarly Wed 11:21

hello
Tracey Wed 11:22

Hello Jubalkindofearly
JubalEarly Wed 11:22

It would have been nice if Bester was here D2
Simon Wed 11:24

Why?
Higgins Wed 11:24

you know something?
JubalEarly Wed 11:27

well so that he could have given a check but I guess he may not have found anything
Wed 11:27

not like he knew he was going to die now that I think about it
Wed 11:28

why the sus on MrU btw?
Higgins Wed 11:29

there was a discussion about Kaylee would have tried to recruit Mru base on their conversation on d1
JubalEarly Wed 11:30

seems possible but kind of speculatory
Operative Wed 11:30

We don't really have much to go on
JubalEarly Wed 11:30

I'd rather wait for a revive or messiah than guess who Kaylee tried to revive (Kaylee please tell dead people your story)
Operative Wed 11:30

But I'm voting Niska because of his shady behaviour
JubalEarly Wed 11:31

Niska shady and MrU is a decent guess I suppose but idk how I feel about lynching either of them
Higgins Wed 11:31

we are just pressuring them for a claim
Wed 11:31

because they are sus
JubalEarly Wed 11:32

ok in that case I guess I'd want to hear from MrU based on the speculation
Moderator Wed 11:32

JubalEarly votes to lynch MrUniverse
Mal Wed 11:45

Morning all. I don't like Lenore's assumption that Fanty visited, so he must be both a killer and a vampire and needs lynching. I think I believe the MW claim for now, given the target.
Wed 11:45

I also don't like Stitchs GV-who-didn't-revive claim - "She might have been coven" is a poor reason when I think most of us had reasoned (correctly?) that she must have been the result of a failed attempt at recruitment.
Wed 11:46

In other good news, if Niska is faithful, that means they're not a banshee and we can just lynch them for being annoying.
Wed 11:46

:d
Wed 11:47

A further thing to add, yesterday there was a suggestion that the inq should try to recruit sus people - I don't like that suggestion as it could end up with a dead leader, or a not-quite-so-useful inq team.
JubalEarly Wed 11:48

MrU was also faithful fwiw
Simon Wed 11:50

With regards to recruitment: I went for Lawrence for the following reasons; having a GD is a useful thing to have; they were sus but if they can dig they won't kill me; if ghoul/fam I won't die but we will know and then we can lynch and I still have an open recruit. Hope that all makes sense.
Mal Wed 11:50

Works for me as a reason - I just didn't want you risking dying by trying to recruit someone sus etc
Simon Wed 11:51

Agreed
Wed 11:51

I'm out until Sun though now
Wed 11:51

Hoping a reviver brings back Lawrence
Mal Wed 11:52

Don't forget to vote at least.
Simon Wed 11:53

My vote is on Niska
Jayne Wed 12:05

okay caught up finally. Inara is not a vamp.
Simon Wed 12:06

Your proof?
Jayne Wed 12:06

She is not WC.
Simon Wed 12:08

Vamps don't use WC
Wed 12:08

But prot does
Jayne Wed 12:08

Lol she does use WC
Simon Wed 12:08

What are you saying Jayne?
Jayne Wed 12:09

I just said it wrong she is not a vamp because she does use WC.
Simon Wed 12:09

Claiming WH?
Jayne Wed 12:09

I have another check not sure if it is best to share it.
Wed 12:09

Yes.
Simon Wed 12:10

I'll grab you post Sun if I can
Jayne Wed 12:10

But thought Inara is at the center of much so check on her was valuable to share.
Simon Wed 12:10

Your other checks?
Jayne Wed 12:10

And I want to be in inquisition.
Higgins Wed 12:11

Jayne, do you know that you can be redirected by succ to Inara after said that out loud?
Jayne Wed 12:11

I checked operative let me look back so I dont typo in the claim again LoL
Higgins Wed 12:11

we don't sus her much enough for you to claim
Inara Wed 12:12

Oh, Jayne is WH huh?
Higgins Wed 12:12

yea, and he marked you
Inara Wed 12:12

Fun times.
Higgins Wed 12:12

which he can be redirected to you after said that out loud
Inara Wed 12:13

I am aware of this.
Wash Wed 12:13

Big IQ on campus.
Jayne Wed 12:13

Operative does not use witchcraft
Operative Wed 12:14

Guess your GV theory is out Wash
Inara Wed 12:14

I literally trust Jayne with my life right now.
Simon Wed 12:14

You must have more checks than that...
Wash Wed 12:14

It worked at the time.
Higgins Wed 12:14

Jayne's claim is little bit useful but we don't need it, i would like him more if he didn't claim today
Wash Wed 12:14

Must've misplaced a number.
Jayne Wed 12:14

Okay. I apologize for claiming if and sharing if I should not have. WH and the entire inquisition is not in my history.
Inara Wed 12:15

I thought you might be BH, Jayne.
Simon Wed 12:15

What's your third check?
Inara Wed 12:15

So I'm glad you claimed.
Jayne Wed 12:16

I was trying to ask questions yesterday and was not getting much help, so I decided to share and get some feedback rather than just sitting on info.
Higgins Wed 12:16

nah, we don't have wolves, just vamp
Wed 12:16

i have a strong believe we don't have wolves
Mal Wed 12:16

Inara: Jayne wants to be in inq, and can now kill you - I would't trust them with your life too much
Jayne Wed 12:16

I was inactive first night almost got smited.
Simon Wed 12:17

Shame
Jayne Wed 12:17

Apologies I was traveling and did not know the game had started.
Wash Wed 12:17

Imagine if you got smited for not showing up D1.
Higgins Wed 12:17

inq want to be in inq so he won't feel guilty for being the reason that you die because inq need to kill all wc users
Wed 12:17

*Jayne want to be in inq
River Wed 12:18

I want to be there too
Wed 12:18

everyone besides Inara wants to, right?
Higgins Wed 12:18

i want to be in illu :P
Jayne Wed 12:18

I want to be inq. because I am a witch hunter and it gives me a night chat and Intel if I understand
Wed 12:19

I also need help playing this role, so I think I am more valuable to everyone with support.
Mal Wed 12:19

There must be less-lethal ways of dealing with WC users, maybe we can have a peaveful inq that doesn't kill people and just makes them faithful
Higgins Wed 12:20

anyone wants to claim purifier?
Wash Wed 12:20

Play the dubious role of Ozymandias from Watchmen.
Mal Wed 12:21

Doesn't seem like a good claim to be making this early.
Jayne Wed 12:21

As inq. we all need to kill evil as first priority, yes?
Inara Wed 12:21

Jayne, just don't kill me please~
Wed 12:21

Yes.
Wed 12:21

Evils are always your number one priority, even if they're non-WC.
Higgins Wed 12:21

watch he will be redirected to Inara tonight lol
Jayne Wed 12:21

well I am not Inq yet not up to me
Higgins Wed 12:22

Jayne, are you new?
Inara Wed 12:22

Even more reason that evils are your one and only priority!
Jayne Wed 12:22

I am not completely new, no.
Wed 12:23

I am Jewish though.
Wed 12:23

hahaha
River Wed 12:23

aha
Jayne Wed 12:23

Newish
Higgins Wed 12:23

...
River Wed 12:23

ok
Jayne Wed 12:23

auto correct
River Wed 12:23

that makes that statement a little less odd
Wash Wed 12:23

happy hanukkah
Jayne Wed 12:24

I am literally laughing out loud now
Wash Wed 12:24

I am legit crying blood right now
Jayne Wed 12:24

I had so much higher hopes for myself in this conversation. It is what it is.
Inara Wed 12:25

Wash, from your stomach?
Wed 12:25

Because that's just called "bleeding"
Wed 12:25

Jayne, what made you check Operative BTW?
Jayne Wed 12:26

Promise is am not an idiot, apologies if I am misplacing this role.
Wed 12:27

I was about to be smited and night was almost over picked someone who talked.
Inara Wed 12:27

Okay.
Wash Wed 12:27

That is, unfortunately, not how smiting works. You get smited for not voting during the daytime.
Jayne Wed 12:27

I know but I had to pick someone.
Wed 12:27

I would have lost my chance.
Inara Wed 12:28

Anyways
Jayne Wed 12:28

I did not have time to read the game back thoroughly. I mentioned it when I got into the game I was in airplanes for 24 hours.
Inara Wed 12:29

We got a lot not-really-intel today.
Wed 12:29

What do we do with it all?
Jayne Wed 12:30

Apologies, it is what it is. I have read everything yesterday and today and will keep up.
Higgins Wed 12:31

have you voted today?
Moderator Wed 12:31

Jayne votes to lynch Niska
Jayne Wed 12:31

balance
Inara Wed 12:31

He has now!
Wed 12:31

Hmm, why balance?
Moderator Wed 12:31

Higgins votes to lynch MrUniverse
Higgins Wed 12:32

not balance anymore :P
Jayne Wed 12:32

It seemed we liked two close stacks.
Inara Wed 12:34

Hmm.
Wed 12:34

I prefer to pressure MrU.
Jayne Wed 12:34

Do we know we have a succubus is that likely?
Moderator Wed 12:34

Jayne votes to lynch MrUniverse
Inara Wed 12:34

We don't know.
Wash Wed 12:34

Is it simply pressure?
Jayne Wed 12:34

I will be here if I need to move.
Inara Wed 12:43

Wash, it's pressure based on a suspicion shared by several people.
Wash Wed 12:43

Then it certainly does not need more votes.
Moderator Wed 12:44

Wash votes to lynch Patience
Jayne Wed 12:44

Mr U is sus based on D1 D1 converstion with Kaylee, correct? Anything else?
Simon Wed 12:44

Checked as nonWC
Moderator Wed 12:45

Higgins votes to lynch Niska
Higgins Wed 12:45

back to Niska
Wed 12:45

MrU wasn't active much, right?
Inara Wed 12:46

You could call that "lurky", Higgins.
Jayne Wed 12:49

Niska sounds very sus to me - but almost took much like banshee yes?
Wed 12:50

*too much
Simon Wed 12:51

Niska nonWC so not banshee
Inara Wed 12:51

For a game with no confirmed dead, people are super conscious of the Banshee.
Jayne Wed 12:51

oh ya right
Inara Wed 12:51

But also ^
Wed 12:51

Undead*
Jayne Wed 12:51

well why is he talking like that?
Inara Wed 12:51

Maybe he's just evil.
Simon Wed 12:52

Surviving through fear of banshee
Jayne Wed 12:52

Ya he doesn't seem right to me for sure.
Higgins Wed 12:52

i thought people thought i'm banshee <(")
Jayne Wed 12:53

I think Higgins problem must be some kind of personal thing.
Inara Wed 12:53

Clearly Higgins is just a penguin in disguise.
Higgins Wed 12:54

<(")
Simon Wed 12:55

That's a penguin?
Jayne Wed 12:55

None of these outspoken people being kind of spammy makes a lot of sense to me other than kind of trolling to be stupid. He does seem to be more useful today but send like all spam yesterday (Higgins that is)
Higgins Wed 12:56

��
Jayne Wed 12:56

My English is better than this, I am on mobile and it is making me sound like an idiot.
Wed 12:57

*seems like
Higgins Wed 12:57

hmm, maybe i was shifted so it seems like i am a little bit different than yesterday ��
SheriffBourne Wed 12:57

Back again.
Higgins Wed 12:58

hi Sheriff
Jayne Wed 12:58

You seem equally trolling and obnoxious but can't help yourself so you say helpful things occasionally.
SheriffBourne Wed 12:58

I like the MW claim, I'll leave Fanty for now.
Moderator Wed 12:59

SheriffBourne votes to lynch Niska
SheriffBourne Wed 12:59

I like Niska as a runner-up stack to MrU
Higgins Wed 13:00

Sheriff, do you like me? :D
SheriffBourne Wed 13:01

Get over yourself
Jayne Wed 13:02

MrU has not claimed or answered any of this yet correct?
SheriffBourne Wed 13:02

You're childish and self-absorbed and I really can't be bothered interacting with you
Wed 13:02

I think so, jayne
Wed 13:03

Leaving again, probably will check back in a few hours
Jayne Wed 13:03

Well I think niska needs to go, will certainly be happy to hear from MrU he should speak up or die also.
Higgins Wed 13:04

oh, thank you for that compliment :D
Jayne Wed 13:04

Maybe our maple can eat niska (or Higgins)
Wed 13:04

would make reading the day easier
Higgins Wed 13:04

Jayne, you make me sad :(
JubalEarly Wed 13:07

hmm
Wed 13:07

also not the biggest fan of Jayne's claim but I see where he's coming from
Wed 13:07

and I'm inclined to believe it
Higgins Wed 13:11

i promise that i can give everyone something juicy so pls don't kill me
Wed 13:11

maybe tmr :D
River Wed 13:11

too much baiting
Mal Wed 13:11

+1 on maple eating niska.
River Wed 13:11

for my taste
Wed 13:11

"it's gonna be great"
Higgins Wed 13:11

or maybe not :D
Mal Wed 13:11

Or Higgins I think
Higgins Wed 13:12

:(
Wed 13:12

*sads*
Wed 13:13

no one wants to kill inactive Patience :(
Jayne Wed 13:13

why don't we pressure Higgins something is certainly got to be up with this dude
Higgins Wed 13:13

something juicy
Jayne Wed 13:13

or ar least get him to STFU
Higgins Wed 13:14

no u
Wed 13:14

I have rights to speak
Jayne Wed 13:14

can troll the GY
Simon Wed 13:14

Maple - Eat Higgins unless he becomes useful
JubalEarly Wed 13:14

sure but it'd be appreciated if you kept shitposting to a minimum
Wed 13:16

conversation is good for the game, with shifters and such (and vamp reviving I suppose), but like, a lot of shit to wade through is just a hassle for people who can't show up until later
Higgins Wed 13:18

hmm, maybe i will just show up one time a day, say few thing, vote and then never come back for next few day :D
Operative Wed 13:18

I'm happy for pressure on Higgins and Niska, both not being very helpful
Wed 13:19

People shitposting Like 'maybe I was shifted lol' I am not about that life
MrUniverse Wed 13:22

Hello everyone, I see folks seem to think I'm evil.
Higgins Wed 13:22

yes, we are
Jayne Wed 13:22

We still need MrU to talk. So votes on MrU and we can have a second vote on the maple killing Higgins.
MrUniverse Wed 13:22

Well, I'm just a militia, and I haven't done anything yet
Simon Wed 13:24

Not a great loss if we lose you then. Understood
MrUniverse Wed 13:24

Apparently
Simon Wed 13:24

Can't shoot a vamp
Operative Wed 13:25

Niska is my number 1 target for lynch
MrUniverse Wed 13:25

No, I cannot. Hence why I assume there are coven I could be shooting, given your presence here
Simon Wed 13:25

Agreed Operative
Jayne Wed 13:25

I was not aware of that no shooting vamps thing.
Moderator Wed 13:25

MrUniverse votes to lynch Niska
Moderator Wed 13:26

Jayne votes to lynch Niska
MrUniverse Wed 13:26

Vamps can't die at night
Operative Wed 13:26

Vamps cant be killed at night
Simon Wed 13:26

Night immunity saves them Jayne
Operative Wed 13:26

Lol jinx
Jayne Wed 13:26

oh ya I saw that. Makes since had not considered militia is night kill.
Simon Wed 13:26

Mr U feel free to shoot Higgins or Patience
Higgins Wed 13:27

:(
MrUniverse Wed 13:27

I shall
Wed 13:27

If that's the general feeling of the town
Saffron Wed 13:27

hi
Jayne Wed 13:27

*makes sense (this phone is making me sound illiterate)
Higgins Wed 13:27

well, shot me and then dig me to see something interesting :D
Wed 13:28

villagers will want to see that :D
Niska Wed 13:28

so much hate, just woke up with a headache and all votes on me I feel like shit now
Jayne Wed 13:30

So say something not completely asinine for a start Niska.
Mal Wed 13:32

Higgins: Have you considered being helpful rather than annoying?
Moderator Wed 13:32

Mal votes to lynch Niska
Mal Wed 13:32

NIska: Same question.
Higgins Wed 13:33

i said helpful thing early today before people started want to kill me so i started shitpost
Niska Wed 13:33

Sorry, don't remember much, I drank too much am probably still drunk. what kind of embarassing things did I say?
Higgins Wed 13:34

like Inara said, we have a lot of not-reallt-intel today so nothing much to say
JubalEarly Wed 13:34

@Niska you're just sussed in general so we're pressuring for a claim
Wed 13:35

@Higgins when people want to kill you then shitposting just wants to make them kill you more...
Badger Wed 13:35

So Maple eat Niska and Militia shoot Higgins unless they actually contribute?
Wed 13:36

Or did I get it wrong?
JubalEarly Wed 13:36

When there's a lot of nothing its harder to find the small parts that are actually important/relevant
Jayne Wed 13:36

@Niska Not sure I am buying the remorseful drunk. Ctrl-f yourself.
Higgins Wed 13:36

the more people want to kill me, the more i want to shitpost :D
JubalEarly Wed 13:36

@Badger I wouldn't say kill them for sure but I guess it wouldn't be the worst
Wed 13:36

might be a little hasty of a militia shot
Wed 13:36

seems like a good cycle to get you dead -_-
Wed 13:36

tanner confirmed?
Higgins Wed 13:38

hmm, i believe Niska's claim
Moderator Wed 13:38

Higgins votes to lynch MrUniverse
Higgins Wed 13:38

i'm drunk too :D
Wed 13:38

surprise :D
Badger Wed 13:38

I agree that we should safe the militia shot. With so few deaths happening and still 25 players alive, this game could go on to last at least another week. So I think maybe we should save the militia shot untill we have something close to certain?
Jayne Wed 13:38

Actually I just read what you posted again. It was unhelpful and obnoxious but well punctuated and completely coherent. Black out drunk story is bullshit.
Badger Wed 13:38

*save
Niska Wed 13:38

wow that doesnt sound like me at all. Must have been really drunk to write that stuff. Ok, so what do you want from me, I think I am still abit drunk :/ I have some alcohol problems. Can someone recommend a self-help group?
Higgins Wed 13:39

Niska, i'm drunk too and people want to kill me too
Mal Wed 13:39

I'm assuming these are both just terrible claims at being the "Drunk" role, not that they were drunk in real life.
Higgins Wed 13:39

people like to kill drunk :(
JubalEarly Wed 13:40

im honestly not sure if they're claiming drunk or not...
Wed 13:40

higgins I don't think so
Wed 13:40

but niska maybe
Badger Wed 13:40

Niska could be claiming drunk, I think Higgins is just bandwagoning.
Higgins Wed 13:40

i hinted it yesterday
Mal Wed 13:40

Honestly, it's better for us to know who the drunks are, because later in the game we can seer them or so to figure out what factions we have and who is winning/losing.
Higgins Wed 13:41

i hinted my role yesterday
JubalEarly Wed 13:41

I mean its also just a convenient role for evils to claim in general
Wed 13:41

since its basically unclaimed
Mal Wed 13:41

So if they are Drunk then we can leave them and seer them day 6 or so
Wed 13:41

Higgins: I don't care much for hints
JubalEarly Wed 13:41

also might be worth reading back yesterday and seeing if anyone wasn't too keen on lynching Book
Wed 13:42

obviously vamp is going to defend their fam to the death but they probably also didn't just jump on the wagon unless it was near the end of the day anyway
Wed 13:42

isn't**
Wed 13:42

isn't going to defend their fam
Niska Wed 13:43

Hello, my name is Niska, I have never been sober since 4 years ago. I hope to change myself soon and be a better human, I am working alot to reduce my alcohol consume, but I currently need 2 bottles each day to function like a somewhat normal human.
Wed 13:43

Thanks for letting me join this self-help group.
Operative Wed 13:43

Shut up
Jayne Wed 13:43

Do we have to listen to them ramble forever, isn't it decent odds to just keep the maple fed? If they are evil and claiming drunk it is a win, and if drunk is going to wake up as evil it is a win. 2 out of 3 are good for us.
JubalEarly Wed 13:43

I swear to god if he's village role and not drunk -_-
Stitch Wed 13:43

alchoholic anonymous
Operative Wed 13:44

I'm happy to kill Niska for being an ass
JubalEarly Wed 13:44

can we pressure MrU though
Operative Wed 13:44

He already claimed militia
Stitch Wed 13:44

lynch mru
Jayne Wed 13:44

MrU claimed militia.
Stitch Wed 13:44

eat niska
JubalEarly Wed 13:44

oop my bad
Stitch Wed 13:44

oh ok
Operative Wed 13:44

What about Higg?
Stitch Wed 13:44

i think we should still lynch
Higgins Wed 13:45

yea, what about Higg?
Jayne Wed 13:45

Higgins seems to be claiming drunk.
Niska Wed 13:45

I see people don't accept drunks here *sads*
Stitch Wed 13:45

cause at the worst we lose a used militia
Wed 13:45

at the best we lose a vampire
Mal Wed 13:45

Niska: Honestly don't mind drunks. Do mind annoying people :)
Higgins Wed 13:45

no one like drunk because the most important part that they "could" turn to "something evil"
JubalEarly Wed 13:45

or are just already evil
Operative Wed 13:46

I think village seems quite strong to me so odds are drunks will roll evil
JubalEarly Wed 13:46

if we severely weaken a faction then that's what makes a drunk roll evil
Niska Wed 13:46

wait till your current village gets killed operative :)
JubalEarly Wed 13:46

so like, as long as we don't lynch villagers then drunks seem good enough lol
Niska Wed 13:46

I will remember you of what you said then
JubalEarly Wed 13:47

unless village is getting stomped
Wed 13:47

then we'd wanna keep them alive
Higgins Wed 13:47

well, village isn't strong like you think
Wed 13:47

because i already turned to villager today
Wed 13:47

https://media.giphy.com/media/FBWUThsXrmfDO/giphy.gif
Badger Wed 13:47

Sorry for interrupting. But someone mentioned that we should look into people who were not too keen on lynching Shepherd.
Stitch Wed 13:47

BLR
Badger Wed 13:47

2018-Nov-06 10:31:36 Higgins i have reason to believe Shepherd
Stitch Wed 13:47

or village role?
Niska Wed 13:47

remebers as the village got slaughtered in one night during 295
Badger Wed 13:48

@Higgins, was that just drunk talk then?
Jayne Wed 13:48

I don't have a lot of experience with games with drunks, but seems similar to a lycan. We might as well kill you because not killing you is stupid.
JubalEarly Wed 13:48

I think he just likes going against the grain
Wed 13:48

I can't see a vamp acting like him
Wed 13:48

@Jayne not necessarily true
Wed 13:48

as they can roll strong village roles
Wed 13:48

but its definitely a wild card
Jayne Wed 13:48

Okay I see so there is real risk.
Higgins Wed 13:48

i want to keep evil alive so they can kill villagers and then i will replace them as villager :D
Wed 13:49

don't want to turn to something evil :(
Jayne Wed 13:49

Is the drunk predetermined at game start and balanced or is it some kind of random thing?
Niska Wed 13:49

Higgins lynch evils make everyone trust you, fake a claim and then turn evil, I guess thats how everyone wants us to play a drunk
Wed 13:50

Its balance
Wed 13:50

depending how the game goes
Inara Wed 13:50

Ehh.
Wed 13:50

Can we lynch Higgins?
Wed 13:50

For real?
Higgins Wed 13:50

if any of factions in the game is weaker than the rest, drunk will turn into that faction
JubalEarly Wed 13:51

@Jayne, so mod actively chooses
Jayne Wed 13:51

So we should kill the drunk if we think we are ahead.
JubalEarly Wed 13:51

ya kinda
Higgins Wed 13:51

well, i already sobered up
JubalEarly Wed 13:51

but we can't be too sure at the moment
Higgins Wed 13:51

so...
JubalEarly Wed 13:51

@Higgins into vanilla or what
Operative Wed 13:51

Then what are you
Higgins Wed 13:52

do you really want to hear?
Niska Wed 13:52

I just saw I also sobered up xD
Operative Wed 13:52

I asked didn't I
Niska Wed 13:52

lol
Jayne Wed 13:52

So the mod is watching the game and chooses the drunks role and when they sober up.
Wed 13:52

?
Niska Wed 13:52

Higgins let me guess
Higgins Wed 13:52

okay
Wed 13:52

guess it Niska
Operative Wed 13:52

This is so stupid
JubalEarly Wed 13:52

Also drunks can sober up mid-day btw
Niska Wed 13:52

Are we the same :D
Wed 13:53

They wont believe us
Higgins Wed 13:53

hmm, i think we are not the same
JubalEarly Wed 13:53

this is getting obnoxious
Operative Wed 13:53

I think I know what they're going to claim
JubalEarly Wed 13:53

just claim already ffs
Niska Wed 13:53

I am villager now
Operative Wed 13:53

Agreed
Niska Wed 13:53

Just saw it
Higgins Wed 13:53

lmao
Wed 13:53

i'm not vanilla
Operative Wed 13:53

Plain villager
Niska Wed 13:53

plain vanilla
Wed 13:53

I think mod is trolling me for being a troll
Zoe Wed 13:53

Tried to read back today and do i get right that MrU is currently piled on because he was a balance pile for Fanty who came out as maplewolf?
Operative Wed 13:54

I'm going to take a break and when I come back I hope this nonsense has ended
JubalEarly Wed 13:54

@Zoe the reason was cause people though Kaylee may have tried to recruit him
Wed 13:54

so they pressured for a claim
Higgins Wed 13:54

base on their conversation on d1
Zoe Wed 13:54

and Niska is just being a bit shady and claiming drunk?
Badger Wed 13:54

I see my vote is still on Mr.U. I will move it to Higgins because atm I'd rather have him or Niska lynched.
Zoe Wed 13:54

@Jubal aaah thank you
JubalEarly Wed 13:54

who claims to have also just sobered up as a vanilla
Moderator Wed 13:54

Badger votes to lynch Higgins
Niska Wed 13:55

I was a drunk, now I am a villager, thanks mod
Zoe Wed 13:55

mmmh ok
JubalEarly Wed 13:55

Niska did you sober up last night/this morning?
Wed 13:55

or recently
Niska Wed 13:55

I got my alcohol problems solved, I wish to thank this self-help group
Higgins Wed 13:55

he sobered up to vanilla
Wed 13:55

i'm not
Wed 13:55

we sobered up in middle of the day
Niska Wed 13:55

I just sobered up as villager, saw it just now
Badger Wed 13:55

@Higgins, then what did you sober up to?
Zoe Wed 13:56

oh Higgins also drunk?
Moderator Wed 13:56

Jayne votes to lynch Higgins
JubalEarly Wed 13:56

who also sobered up
Badger Wed 13:56

That's what he says
Higgins Wed 13:56

wc role
Moderator Wed 13:56

JubalEarly votes to lynch Higgins
JubalEarly Wed 13:56

banshee still?
Badger Wed 13:56

That doesn't cut it. What WC?
Niska Wed 13:57

Dear self-help group, these years with you were a great help, I used to drink 2 bottles each day. Now I am completely sober since 0 days. You helped me alot and I want to thank you for your support concerning my alcohol problems.
Zoe Wed 13:58

i mean Higgins saying they have WC seems to suggest they are a village aligned role? Whereas a vanilla claim (while that maybe be the truth) is a bit convenient.
Wed 13:58

You are welcome, Niska.
Badger Wed 13:58

Or Higgins could be coven.
Wed 13:58

If he sobered into a WC role
Zoe Wed 13:58

true
Jayne Wed 13:58

I am happy if this means Higgins will stop shit posting. I think we should still kill Niska.
Zoe Wed 13:58

he might not tell us the truth
Higgins Wed 13:58

wc role can always be coven
Zoe Wed 13:58

It'd be nice if the shitposting in general were to be cut a bit.
Higgins Wed 13:58

it bases on your view
Moderator Wed 13:59

Zoe votes to lynch Niska
Zoe Wed 13:59

For now, anyways.
Jayne Wed 13:59

Higgins, are you going to be helpful now?
Higgins Wed 14:00

it depends on what kind of helpful you want
Wed 14:00

like claim while we don't really need
Niska Wed 14:00

Even if I die I am relieved to die as a sober human. But be aware that I sobered up as villager, which is a indicator that the village may be at a slight disadvantage. The mod as graced us by turning me into the holy role of a villager, you should not waste this chance.
Higgins Wed 14:00

remember 295 when villagers claimed so early and then they get killed
Jayne Wed 14:01

I am thinking forcing Higgins to claim is not really all that high of a priority.
Zoe Wed 14:01

I agree with, Jayne (and Higgins I guess)
Higgins Wed 14:01

it happens again this game
Wed 14:02

a lot of claim happened
Wed 14:02

and seems like they are villager
Wed 14:03

we have 1 fam down but base on our sobered up story, except Book, all people in gy were villagers
Niska Wed 14:03

Oh, I also saw the discord message now, seems like I am some kind of special villager you might not want to lynch me :P
Wed 14:03

Mason here.
JubalEarly Wed 14:03

..
Higgins Wed 14:03

Niska, recruit me :D
Jayne Wed 14:03

Okay that is a pretty solid claim.
JubalEarly Wed 14:03

is it?
Niska Wed 14:03

I sobered up as a villager thats part of masons
Higgins Wed 14:04

hmmmmmmmm
Wed 14:04

that is funny
Niska Wed 14:04

But I have no clue who current masons are, can talk to them this night probably
River Wed 14:04

but you're NOT mL?
Jayne Wed 14:04

I mean it is going to get CCd or confirmed so it is not an easy thing to fake.
Niska Wed 14:04

No I am not ml
Wed 14:04

But if ml dies I turn into ml
JubalEarly Wed 14:04

but there wouldn't be any other masons...
River Wed 14:04

so why would you wake up as masons?
Badger Wed 14:04

Ehm. So now you're the only mason? If you're not ML, then you can't recruit anyone...
River Wed 14:04

No you don't
Wed 14:05

nobody turns into ML
Moderator Wed 14:05

JubalEarly votes to lynch Niska
Niska Wed 14:05

I di
Wed 14:05

I do
River Wed 14:05

So you claim you were drunk?
Jayne Wed 14:05

Well it there are no other masons he is just a villager anyway so it is stupid nonesense
Niska Wed 14:05

Yes, I was drunk and sobered up today.
Wed 14:05

As villager.
Wed 14:05

Mod said if mason leader dies I turn into ML
Badger Wed 14:06

But Niska. Why do you think you will turn into ML?
JubalEarly Wed 14:06

into never before heard of villager that is part of masons that turns into ML when ML dies despite ML being dead
Niska Wed 14:06

Because the mod said so
Badger Wed 14:06

ML died on N1
Niska Wed 14:06

well then I guess tonight I will be a ml
Badger Wed 14:06

I can't tell if you're trolling
Niska Wed 14:06

I am not.
River Wed 14:07

but the ML is already dead?
Badger Wed 14:07

I've never heard of a mason member turning into ML if the real ML dies
River Wed 14:07

Niska
Niska Wed 14:07

New stuff happends
River Wed 14:07

let's go from the start, you sobered up last night?
Niska Wed 14:07

No today.
Moderator Wed 14:07

Badger votes to lynch Niska
Badger Wed 14:07

This is nonsense
River Wed 14:08

guys chill the f out
Badger Wed 14:08

I'm going now, but I will return later to check in.
River Wed 14:08

we said no stacking and we pile 10 on him
Wed 14:08

ffs
Wed 14:08

ok, which night?
Moderator Wed 14:08

Badger votes to lynch Higgins
Badger Wed 14:08

Fine, I'll go back
Niska Wed 14:08

I sobered up exactly 1h and 43 minutes after this day started, thats the time of the message in discord.
Wed 14:08

My ingame role says villager currently.
Badger Wed 14:08

But I'm just letting you know, that I don't believe a word of what Niska is saying.
Wed 14:09

So I may move my vote later.
Niska Wed 14:09

Mod message says I am a special role that turns into mason leader if ml is dead.
Badger Wed 14:09

Bye for now
River Wed 14:09

Uhm well Mod changing roles isn't that unusual
Wed 14:09

normally it just makes more sense
Wed 14:09

I got changed mid game before
Wed 14:09

but not sure, this is tricky
Niska Wed 14:10

So if ml is dead you got a new ml in me. which suggest village is seriously at a disadvantage if it needs me as new villager turning ml
Inara Wed 14:10

But.
Higgins Wed 14:10

well, even though both of us were drunk but your claim seems funny to me Niska
Niska Wed 14:10

Dig me and regret
Inara Wed 14:10

Mason Leader is dead.
DrCaron Wed 14:10

how many drunks do we have
River Wed 14:10

I still think it's possible :/
Inara Wed 14:10

Why are you still a villager?
Wed 14:10

I don't.
Niska Wed 14:10

Yes Inara, I just repeat what the mod message says
Inara Wed 14:10

Sounds like bullshit.
Niska Wed 14:11

:)
SheriffBourne Wed 14:11

Checking back in
Higgins Wed 14:11

i know villager is having a disadvantage because i sobered to villager too
Inara Wed 14:11

Fuck new roles.
SheriffBourne Wed 14:11

I'd expect drunks sobering up to ML, but not into Mason
Higgins Wed 14:11

Niska, did mod say you can only turn to ml at night?
SheriffBourne Wed 14:11

if you're the only one Niska we can't confirm you anyway
Wed 14:11

so then it's pointless
Niska Wed 14:11

Higgins I dont know
SheriffBourne Wed 14:11

I still want to assume there might be someone to confirm you tomorrow, so if we uncover your deception we find whoever's evil with ya!
Niska Wed 14:11

He said I turn into ML once ml is dead. I guess it should happen tonight if the ml is dead
Moderator Wed 14:12

SheriffBourne votes to lynch Higgins
Higgins Wed 14:12

i think you should ask mod about this
Inara Wed 14:12

ML has been dead since D2.
SheriffBourne Wed 14:12

Early ML death --> new masons out of drunk, that makes sense
River Wed 14:12

I still don't think he would make up this mod story
SheriffBourne Wed 14:12

the details just are puzzling
Wed 14:12

But then again, the whole mod dimension is out-of-the-game, so no chance following that up
River Wed 14:13

that what makes it tricky
SheriffBourne Wed 14:13

Still, looking at the whole situation I am more compelled to give Niska a chance
Wed 14:13

I'm OK with a Higgins lynch
Wed 14:13

More than OK at this stage
JubalEarly Wed 14:14

between the two drunks I think I actually believe niska more
Wed 14:14

oops
Wed 14:14

higgins
Wed 14:14

I meant higgins
Inara Wed 14:14

Four games away from `ext-300` mod has better things to do that make an apprentice ML.
DrCaron Wed 14:14

what if i told you i am still drunk
Wed 14:14

(not joking)
JubalEarly Wed 14:14

I would sorta believe it
Wed 14:14

makes sense to not have sobered up yet
River Wed 14:14

Why
Higgins Wed 14:14

oh, another drunkie
JubalEarly Wed 14:14

just skeptical of all drunk claims
River Wed 14:14

I've got changed mid game before
DrCaron Wed 14:14

that's why i asked how many drunks do we have
Higgins Wed 14:14

but not this tricky like Niska
Wed 14:15

Dr, we can't know that
SheriffBourne Wed 14:15

Jubal, can you elaborate on the reason of your preference Higgins > Niska
Moderator Wed 14:15

River votes to lynch MrUniverse
DrCaron Wed 14:15

@Higgins: people can claim...
JubalEarly Wed 14:15

Niska's claim is just very strange and doesn't seem like something that would happen
River Wed 14:16

why?
JubalEarly Wed 14:16

vanilla mason that turns into ML? I guess its possible but seems like he just doesn't want to be lynched imo
SheriffBourne Wed 14:16

As an evil, surely they'd pick a more convenient claim?
JubalEarly Wed 14:16

or he'd just be turned into ML
Wed 14:16

instead of this weird way around it
Niska Wed 14:17

Then be astonished because thats what happened Jubal :P
JubalEarly Wed 14:17

ok
River Wed 14:17

my point Sheriff
Wed 14:17

for me nobody makes that shit up
JubalEarly Wed 14:17

I just don't see why he wouldn't sober up to a ML instead of this
Inara Wed 14:17

^
SheriffBourne Wed 14:17

Jubal, you have a good point
Inara Wed 14:17

I'd get it if ML wasn't already dead.
Higgins Wed 14:17

he said he hasn't sobered yet and then after i said i sobered up in middle of today, he checked again and saw vanilla, after people want to lynch him, he fixed it again and said he is part of mason who will turn to ml after ml die but ml already died and he is still vanilla
SheriffBourne Wed 14:18

but that makes me think
Wed 14:18

what if we also have a ML sobered up today?
Wed 14:18

maybe it's Higgins lol x)
JubalEarly Wed 14:18

I think he tried to claim drunk into vanilla and saw we were still fine lynching him and then tried to make himself less lynch-able
Higgins Wed 14:18

no
Niska Wed 14:18

what if my story is true and the village shoots themselves in the knee by lynching me?
Higgins Wed 14:18

i'm wc role now
MrUniverse Wed 14:18

Yeah, it sounds like he's just trying to change his story until it's something that people might believe
Wed 14:18

It sounds pretty messy
SheriffBourne Wed 14:19

You accuse Niska of that, MrU?
Niska Wed 14:19

Nope Jubal, I just did not read my discord messages and my role ingame says villager currently.
MrUniverse Wed 14:19

That's what it looks like to me
JubalEarly Wed 14:19

Also I think that would have been included in the sobering up message
SheriffBourne Wed 14:19

I raise you Higgins, he's on the same level (@MrU)
Niska Wed 14:19

There is no fucking sobered up message
JubalEarly Wed 14:19

as not everyone uses discord every day anyway
Niska Wed 14:19

You dounce
River Wed 14:19

I want to point out this sobering up shit is manual
MrUniverse Wed 14:19

Mr Higgins isnt changing his role every 5 minutes
Higgins Wed 14:19

there is no sobered up message in game
JubalEarly Wed 14:19

oh well then Niska is definitely lying
MrUniverse Wed 14:19

although, he is being as annoying
River Wed 14:19

THAT SHIT IS ALL MANUAL
Higgins Wed 14:19

i can confirm that
SheriffBourne Wed 14:20

Which makes it troublesome, because now it's outside of the game.
JubalEarly Wed 14:20

I've gotten one before...
River Wed 14:20

It's mod changing things on the fly
SheriffBourne Wed 14:20

So we should treat it as a black box and be indifferent about it. Skeptical, but not going one way or another.
Wed 14:20

People who are jumping on a lynch seem suspicious to me.
River Wed 14:20

Sorry but I don't wanna lynch potential masons, we got intel for that. but not worth a lynch for me
Moderator Wed 14:20

SheriffBourne votes to lynch MrUniverse
Inara Wed 14:20

So what did MrU claim?
River Wed 14:20

MILI?
Wed 14:20

I think?
Niska Wed 14:20

There is no message Jubal, mod messges people on discord
JubalEarly Wed 14:20

ya
Wed 14:20

@Niska I've literally gotten one before so
MrUniverse Wed 14:21

Militia, shot not fired
Higgins Wed 14:21

Niska, pls ask mod again because ml already die, do you can only turn to ml at night
Inara Wed 14:21

What happens if you're not on Discord?
Wed 14:21

Hmm.
Niska Wed 14:21

Higgins already messaged him.
River Wed 14:21

Mod wont answer on this
SheriffBourne Wed 14:21

I raised the point earlier, which you're not picking up on
River Wed 14:21

which point?
SheriffBourne Wed 14:21

ML could be sobered up as well, alongside apprentice-Mason-potential-ML
Niska Wed 14:22

My role says villager and I will turn into ML once the ML dies. Thats all I know
SheriffBourne Wed 14:22

Hence me trusting t hat we will be able to follow up on the Mason lead tomorrow, with more Masons or other claimants
JubalEarly Wed 14:22

I don't buy it but if others do then maybe I'll change the vote
Higgins Wed 14:22

there is another drunk claim but she hasn't sobered up
River Wed 14:22

OK LET'S GO INTO GOOD OLD SETUP DISCUSSION
Niska Wed 14:22

Probably I am part of the night chat because the message said 'once your ml dies'
Inara Wed 14:22

Why say "villager" if it also says you'll come a ML?
River Wed 14:22

is there a chance that this is a game about all the subfactions?
Inara Wed 14:22

You're clearly not.
Wed 14:23

Maybe.
Niska Wed 14:23

Inara read what I wrote... I only saw villager here on this site when you click role discription.
Wed 14:23

First
Wed 14:23

Then I log into discord and see the discord message from the mod.
Wed 14:23

Understood?
Inara Wed 14:23

No.
JubalEarly Wed 14:23

Pretty sure mod changed drunk to include in-game message based on my experience but might be wrong
Higgins Wed 14:23

this game is different, remember mod message about one time use role's ability will be replace
River Wed 14:24

which one?
Higgins Wed 14:24

the email about this game was about to start
Inara Wed 14:24

Niska, what would happen if ML tried to recruit you?
Niska Wed 14:24

I am probably some kind of appreciate ml, but my role discription says I am a villager
Higgins Wed 14:25

Inara, he is already part of ml
Niska Wed 14:25

I am already part of masons probably Inara read what I wrote
Wed 14:25

Is reading that hard
Inara Wed 14:25

Yes.
Moderator Wed 14:25

Inara votes to lynch Niska
Moderator Wed 14:25

DrCaron votes to lynch Niska
DrCaron Wed 14:26

too weird
Niska Wed 14:26

Ok, so for you. I am a villager, that is part of the masons and I turn into the mason leader once my mason leader dies.
Higgins Wed 14:26

single-use abilities will be recharged and available every 7 days
Wed 14:26

is this weird for you?
Wed 14:26

that is what this game is
JubalEarly Wed 14:26

honestly if a ML sobered up today then they should just claim
Niska Wed 14:26

This is not your 0815 no brain game
DrCaron Wed 14:27

I understand that; i read the email too. what is weird is the way all this info came out ina bizarre trickle
Niska Wed 14:27

because I did not read my discord messages and only saw my ingame role as villager
DrCaron Wed 14:27

so feel free to not assume i'm an idiot.
SheriffBourne Wed 14:27

JubalEarly Wed 14:26 honestly if a ML sobered up today then they should just claim <=== why?
Inara Wed 14:28

Anything involving Discord is way too meta.
DrCaron Wed 14:28

^^
Higgins Wed 14:28

he couldn't know he sobered up because he didn't read the Discord message but the ml is too confusing
SheriffBourne Wed 14:29

Jubal, can you explain your statement?
Inara Wed 14:29

Why would he be messaged on Discord anyway?
JubalEarly Wed 14:29

@Sheriff cause either you or higgins (I forget who) was saying that Niska's weird claim makes sense if a ML sobered up today
Inara Wed 14:29

Why not get a message in game?
Niska Wed 14:29

because you get messaged on discord as drunk
Higgins Wed 14:29

because i was messaged too -.-
Niska Wed 14:29

In 295 you also got a message via discord as drunk
Higgins Wed 14:29

we saw no message in game
JubalEarly Wed 14:30

yet I got a notification in a previous game about sobering up...
DrCaron Wed 14:30

then i'm hosed b/c i'm not on discord
SheriffBourne Wed 14:30

So we out a Mason Leader over a dubious Mason village claim?
Inara Wed 14:30

Does that mean only people who have Discord can be Drunk?
DrCaron Wed 14:30

nope
SheriffBourne Wed 14:30

Can we drop Discord for a bit and focus on Jubal's motivation for outing a ML here?
Inara Wed 14:31

ML should totally come out.
SheriffBourne Wed 14:31

I'd like us to focus more on strategy than the meta/Discord angle, it's not helpful to us anyway
Niska Wed 14:31

Can we focus on the important part, I am villager part of masons and will turn into mason leader once he is dead.
Higgins Wed 14:31

i think Jubal just want to confirm Niska in middle of this mess
JubalEarly Wed 14:31

^
Niska Wed 14:31

there are plenty of ways to confirm me.
SheriffBourne Wed 14:31

Inara, you're thinking the same
Wed 14:31

Why?
JubalEarly Wed 14:31

ML sobering up today makes *some* sense for Niska's story
Niska Wed 14:31

why would I come up with this nonsense?
JubalEarly Wed 14:31

otherwise Niska would just sober up into a ML
Wed 14:31

you've been full of nonsense this entire game
Wed 14:31

I gtg for a bit
Inara Wed 14:31

Bourne, why not?
Niska Wed 14:32

yes, but I turned serious once I sobered up jubal
SheriffBourne Wed 14:32

So we confirm Niska, but we out another village member?
Inara Wed 14:32

It would answer many questions
Wed 14:32

Yes?
SheriffBourne Wed 14:32

ML seems more precious right?
Inara Wed 14:32

No.
JubalEarly Wed 14:32

I'm just saying you're capable of coming up with nonsense
Inara Wed 14:32

We got a back up!?
JubalEarly Wed 14:32

^
SheriffBourne Wed 14:32

Alright then
Wed 14:32

Out with it
Wed 14:32

I'm concerned for Niska
Wed 14:32

Because I'm a new-ML
JubalEarly Wed 14:32

is it you? why are you so concerned for Niska?
Wed 14:32

oh
Wed 14:32

hm
Inara Wed 14:32

Since when, Bourne?
SheriffBourne Wed 14:33

Today
Wed 14:33

Sometime after dawn, will not go into any details of potential Discord stuff. Take it as I present it here.
Moderator Wed 14:33

Niska votes to lynch JubalEarly
Niska Wed 14:33

Jubal did you claim already?
JubalEarly Wed 14:33

nope
Niska Wed 14:33

You seem to want to lynch me...
Inara Wed 14:33

So Mark is just like "hey, Illuminati, fuck you lol".
SheriffBourne Wed 14:33

Jubal is on my radar as potential evil
Inara Wed 14:33

Great.
Niska Wed 14:33

So I suspect you now.
JubalEarly Wed 14:34

because I wanted to lynch a ridiculous sounding story?
Wed 14:34

ok
SheriffBourne Wed 14:34

No, it's not just that. It's hard to pinpoint exactly with the sea of chat that I've waded through, but you strike me as someone I should look out for. That's all.
Wed 14:34

And now that I'm exposed I'd rather say that out loud.
JubalEarly Wed 14:35

Well if you give any reasons that's better but have your sus
Wed 14:35

I still don't entirely trust you two
SheriffBourne Wed 14:35

So far it's only tone, that's all I have of a lot of people
Wed 14:35

Either way, I hope we can switch votes by now.
Wed 14:36

I want the Niska pile decreasing.
Wed 14:36

MrU is an option but doesn't seem like a very creative or good option either
Wed 14:36

Shall we go into a new direction?
Wed 14:36

Who's up for a democratic adventure?
JubalEarly Wed 14:37

something still feels off. I really do gtg but I'll likely change my vote when I'm back
Wed 14:37

should be back in less than 2 hours
Patience Wed 14:37

I've had enough democrtaic adventures this week
Inara Wed 14:37

River, you around?
Patience Wed 14:37

Still haven't read all the way back but this is gettting interesting
JubalEarly Wed 14:38

kinda getting a potentially important coven vibe from Niska/Sheriff but this sobering up makes some sense with ML dying n1
Wed 14:38

bbl
Patience Wed 14:38

Why did we sus Niska and Mr. U?
Inara Wed 14:38

We suspected MrU because several people thought Kaylee might try and recruit him N1.
Wed 14:38

We suspected Niska because he's a mess.
Niska Wed 14:39

You suspected me because I roleplayed my role and acted drunk
Wed 14:39

Like a drunk mess yes Inara :P
Moderator Wed 14:39

Patience votes to lynch MrUniverse
Jayne Wed 14:40

I am a bit out of my depth with this mod messing with the game stuff.
SheriffBourne Wed 14:40

g2g for a bit
Patience Wed 14:41

I'll go with Mr. U for now because Sheriff seems trustworthy to me atm
Jayne Wed 14:41

I do not like roleplaying - so far in my admittedly limited experience it is always evil people role playing.
Niska Wed 14:41

Jayne its just how drunk works, its manual role assignment at anytime during the game.
DrCaron Wed 14:41

it provides a typing prose to hide behind
Jayne Wed 14:42

I understand that part but you have added an entirely new level to that if I understand it.
Higgins Wed 14:42

can we move on?
Wed 14:42

we have something more important
Wed 14:43

3 drunks turned to villagers
Niska Wed 14:43

well I got a new role basically that doesnt exist yet, under the cover of a villager
Jayne Wed 14:43

What is that Higgins?
Higgins Wed 14:43

how strong evil is?
Wed 14:43

drunk can only trun to villager if village is weaker than evil
Niska Wed 14:43

yes Higgins
DrCaron Wed 14:43

Jayne was discussing why he thinks RP'ing is sus and you change topics?
Wed 14:44

and who is the 2nd and 3rd drunk to change?
Higgins Wed 14:44

well, i was a little bit rp too
Niska Wed 14:44

Sheriff, Higgins, me
Inara Wed 14:44

Also, Higgins, why do you trust the other two drunk claims so readily?
DrCaron Wed 14:44

ty
Wed 14:44

Niska
Jayne Wed 14:44

ML got killed N1 adding back ML if that is needed for balance makes enough sense to me.
Inara Wed 14:44

But adding two?
Wed 14:44

A new one and a back up?
Higgins Wed 14:44

their claim sound too weird for a evil to claim
DrCaron Wed 14:44

that is a fair assessment
Inara Wed 14:45

In a game that probably also has Illuminati?
Higgins Wed 14:45

why do Sheriff have to claim to save Niska if they are evil teammate?
Wed 14:45

i would let Niska get lynched if i was his evil teammate
Wed 14:45

Niska is a mess, confirm him just make you sus
Jayne Wed 14:46

There are nor problems with Niska's story. He kept role playing. I don't like that of I get a message from mod I notice in the middle of a botched claim when I have a majority of votes I stop joking.
Higgins Wed 14:47

you wanted to lynch me too so i don't feel like i can talk about this with you
Wed 14:47

*wanted to kill me
Jayne Wed 14:48

I kind of still want to kill you, but we can still talk and I am open minded.
Inara Wed 14:48

Drunk claims, Maple wolf claims, new role claims. This game has literally everything I dislike.
Niska Wed 14:48

Jayne if you have a problem with roleplaying or bad roleplaying then I guess you will clash often with me in the future, dont make that your sole reason to lynch me.
Jayne Wed 14:49

I don't dislike it per say, it just seems to be obviously and overwhelmingly beneficial for evil to use it.
River Wed 14:49

@Inara that's because you must be fun at parties
Higgins Wed 14:49

pff, no one really thing about how strong evils are when 3 drunks turned to villagers
Inara Wed 14:49

I don't go to parties, they bore me.
Wed 14:50

River, Illuminati present: yes or no?
Higgins Wed 14:50

Niska's story can be confirmed
Niska Wed 14:50

well, evils want me lynched, still have 9 votes :P
Higgins Wed 14:50

just move on
Jayne Wed 14:50

Higgins, you are focused on something only sus people know, that is also an evil trait.
JubalEarly Wed 14:50

higgins do you intend on not claiming today then?
Wed 14:50

also im back very early...
Higgins Wed 14:50

i claimed wc role
Wed 14:50

that is all
JubalEarly Wed 14:50

ok
Higgins Wed 14:51

it limit my role to 4 good wc role
Wed 14:51

that is enough
Inara Wed 14:51

I doubt you're a protector.
Higgins Wed 14:51

no wait
River Wed 14:51

Does a "maybe" count?
Higgins Wed 14:51

i think more than 4 good wc role
Wed 14:51

hmm, i think 6 good wc role
Inara Wed 14:52

River, no. But if you think there are, can you really see it as fair giving masons two extra leaders?
Jayne Wed 14:52

And suddenly trying to dominate the conversation and change the conversation after shitposting for days on end.
River Wed 14:52

hmmm
Inara Wed 14:52

Seems unbalanced.
Jayne Wed 14:52

Inara why are there 2 new leaders?
Wed 14:52

Did I miss something?
Inara Wed 14:52

Bourne, and then when he dies, Niska.
Wed 14:52

Apparently.
Higgins Wed 14:52

so Jayne want me to be helpful and when i am helpful he still don't like it
Wed 14:53

i honestly want to die, pls just kill me, it will be better in gy
Wed 14:53

evils, mw, militia or whatever pls just kill me
Inara Wed 14:53

Higgins, can't kill yourself?
Higgins Wed 14:54

messiah isn't wc role
Inara Wed 14:54

Oh yeah.
Wed 14:54

Always forget that.
Higgins Wed 14:54

i said before and i will say it again, we can confirm Niska's story
Wed 14:55

sub-faction is easy to confirm
Inara Wed 14:55

Higgins probably can't be a reviver either.
Jayne Wed 14:55

I missed bourne's claim of ML just read back sorry. So Higgins being so focused on he is the 3rd village role makes me think he is probably not.
Inara Wed 14:55

Because if we could bring ML back, why would we need the spares?
Wed 14:55

Also Stitch claimed GV
Jayne Wed 14:56

I saw that
Inara Wed 14:56

Which would suggest the potential for reviving the ML.
Higgins Wed 14:56

well, you guess right
Inara Wed 14:56

And that also seems broken.
Higgins Wed 14:56

you just want a claim out me, right?
Inara Wed 14:56

I'd hate to be in the Illuminati if Bourne and Niska are telling the truth.
Wed 14:56

Higgins, pretty much.
JubalEarly Wed 14:57

is it beholder?
Higgins Wed 14:57

lmao
Wed 14:57

you guys are asking too much
Niska Wed 14:57

is it (placeholder for any wc role)
Higgins Wed 14:57

i will just say it then
Wed 14:57

seer
Wed 14:57

that is
Jayne Wed 14:57

I dont necessarily want a claim I am better at finding sus behavior and logic than analyzing the game mechanics. But if Inara wants a claim I can get behind it.
Higgins Wed 14:57

good role for evil to claim
Wed 14:57

kll me
JubalEarly Wed 14:58

checks?
Wed 14:58

kidding :P
Niska Wed 14:58

Too late Higgins, I got the kill me train already booked
Moderator Wed 14:58

JubalEarly votes to lynch MrUniverse
Higgins Wed 14:58

Niska, i beliebe your story
JubalEarly Wed 14:58

still somewhat skeptical
Higgins Wed 15:00

Niska, i think we should accepted our fate and let everyone kill us than claimed and let this shit happened :(
Jayne Wed 15:00

Well on the postivie side, I feel like my early claim now fits really well in this game.
Niska Wed 15:00

well, evils kill early claims and this is gonna be another 295
Fess Wed 15:01

Ok, i saw someone say new role.
Higgins Wed 15:01

i said it before
Wed 15:01

this is another 295
Jayne Wed 15:01

I was not in 295 and don't know what that means.
Niska Wed 15:01

villager claimed early and evils annihilated them in 1 night, then evils fought amogst themselves
Jayne Wed 15:02

I will let the cool kids talk and try to check in later and see if anyone has any ideas that make sense.
Higgins Wed 15:02

i honestly think evil should win again this game
Fess Wed 15:03

Ooh balance... Tl;dr?
Higgins Wed 15:03

tldr: a mess
Fess Wed 15:03

I see
Higgins Wed 15:07

People want to pressure MrU, Niska and kill me. MrU claimed militia, Niska claimed drunk but hasn't sobered up and then i claimed drunk after him but have sobered up. And then Niska checked again and said he is sobered up to vanilla. People still wanted to lynch Niska. After that Niska came back with a weird story about he is vanilla who is part of mason and will turn to ml once ml die. But ml already died so that is confusing. Why didn't he turn to ml? After a lot of talk Sheriff claimed he sobered up to ml and kinda confirmed Niska. Oh, i claimed seer
Wed 15:07

that is all about this mess
Inara Wed 15:07

Fess, Higgins claimed Drunk-turned-seer, Bourne failed Drunk-turned-ML and Niska claimed Drunk-turned-Villager-who-becomes-ML-if-ML-is-dead.
Higgins Wed 15:08

ah, in middle of that mess, Dr claimed drunk who hasn't sobered up
JubalEarly Wed 15:08

and earlier Jayne claimed WH who says Inara uses wc
Wed 15:08

and we also had some other claims
Wed 15:09

i think stalker and beholder?
Wed 15:09

oh stalker and GV
Higgins Wed 15:09

which is completely stupid for me, Inara already claimed wc role and we didn't sus her
Wed 15:09

i don't see any reason for that wh claim
JubalEarly Wed 15:09

@Higgins i agree
Fess Wed 15:10

Thanks guys.
Wed 15:11

It is indeed quite a mess
Higgins Wed 15:11

i still think Niska's story is believable
River Wed 15:11

I think so too
Inara Wed 15:11

How x_x.
River Wed 15:11

Complain to mod
Wed 15:12

but such things heppn
Wed 15:12

*happen
Inara Wed 15:12

Too late.
River Wed 15:12

You're a Role-ophobic
Fess Wed 15:12

Oh wait, my role changed to inquisiteur
Higgins Wed 15:12

Niska, Sheriff and me. That is 3 drunks turned to villagers in one day
Wed 15:12

how pathetic villagers are so this can happen?
River Wed 15:13

I think we're fucked or what eh? :D
Inara Wed 15:13

How?
River Wed 15:13

no idea
Wed 15:13

I think stuff is good
Wed 15:13

but not sure what's going on there
Inara Wed 15:13

We've hardly lost anyone of use, so evils must have started stacked.
Fess Wed 15:14

I believe the drunk part, but at least one of those shouldve turned evil or fammed
Higgins Wed 15:14

yea, we hardly lost anyone of use, just ml, stalker and gd
JubalEarly Wed 15:14

well if there are 2-3 VMs we could have lost other roles
Wed 15:14

becoming fams
Inara Wed 15:15

Higgins, a stalker who never turned up and a GD who revealed because he didn't bother to read back.
Wed 15:15

I should be sad about Kaylee but, eh.
Fess Wed 15:15

Witch, pls revive the ML, thanks.
Higgins Wed 15:15

they still could be useful in futue
Inara Wed 15:15

Maybe if I die Mark will give the village two protectors to replace me
Wed 15:16

...
Wed 15:16

Why revive the ML, we got two spares?!
Wed 15:16

Revive the GD or Stalker.
Fess Wed 15:17

The ML will point us to the vamp
Wed 15:17

And confirm the "spares"
Niska Wed 15:17

we need strong mason team, 2 leaders if you revive ml :P
Inara Wed 15:17

Fuck the masons.
River Wed 15:17

You're an inquisition fanbox now?
Inara Wed 15:17

I want useful power roles.
Fess Wed 15:17

Sorry Illu
River Wed 15:17

*fanboy
Inara Wed 15:18

Anyone revived can tell us who Kaylee tried to recruit.
JubalEarly Wed 15:18

if kaylee is active in gy then whoever is revived will hopefully know who she visited
Niska Wed 15:18

2ML seem like good power roles Inara
Wed 15:18

Here we come 7 men mason team :P
Inara Wed 15:18

-_-
JubalEarly Wed 15:19

almost inclined to think niska is vamp
Fess Wed 15:21

Really?
JubalEarly Wed 15:21

i wouldn't rule it out
Wed 15:21

sheriff clearly doesn't want him lynched
Wed 15:21

so either they're both lit
Wed 15:21

or both evil
Niska Wed 15:22

you must be a genius
SheriffBourne Wed 15:22

Strictly speaking, Niska's story could be a lie and still separate from me
Wed 15:22

But I wouldn't assume it
Inara Wed 15:22

Why would Niska even sober up today?
JubalEarly Wed 15:22

don't really appreciate the sarcasm but w.e.
Inara Wed 15:22

Nothing about this makes any sense.
SheriffBourne Wed 15:23

Leaving again
Simon Wed 15:45

What the hell did I walk out on... This is a mess for sure. However I think I'm willing to give them a chance and get rid of a lurker.
Moderator Wed 15:45

Simon votes to lynch Patience
Operative Wed 15:51

Niska has been full of bs all game. No thanks, my vote stays where it is
Wed 15:52

Claiming vanilla. Then mason. The ML apprentice. Jesus Christ
SheriffBourne Wed 15:53

Well, Niska is probably bound to me.
Wed 15:53

So also account for me in your story, Operative.
Operative Wed 15:53

I think you've been baited into revealing tbh
SheriffBourne Wed 15:55

You think I should've waited and kept silent?
Niska Wed 15:55

then I would have gotten lynched and you'd have dug me as villager tomorrow
SheriffBourne Wed 15:56

Either way, whatever the strategic value of my claim is, I'm here now. So deal with me if you talking about Niska, probably.
Operative Wed 15:56

Nah I think you're legit sheriff. I think Niska is lying to save his own skin
SheriffBourne Wed 15:57

But my story does help his story, right?
Niska Wed 15:57

Not really, I am the type of person who stays quite as evil
Operative Wed 15:57

Sure it helps but it doesn't make him lit
Wed 15:57

His claim was so messy
Niska Wed 15:58

Yeah, as I said I didnt read my messages, and my ingame role only says villager, its probably a test run and the role is not coded yet
Wed 15:58

So the assigment is done manual
Operative Wed 15:58

Also a ML and another mason sobering up when there's a GV who can roll revive and bring back another ML? It's a bit much when only 5 people in the entire game have died. One of which was a fam
Wed 15:59

So we've only lost 4 villagers and we get 2 masons and another villager on the same day
Wed 15:59

It just seems like a lot for what's been lost to me
Niska Wed 16:00

I am asking myself if there are also new evil roles
Wed 16:01

Is the gv confirmed?
Operative Wed 16:02

Yes which is why I'm sceptical of all the drunks becoming village
SheriffBourne Wed 16:03

We should look into Higgins first, then. He's not tied to anyone else at this stage
Niska Wed 16:03

Ok
Operative Wed 16:04

I'd quite like Higgins to claim
Niska Wed 16:04

He did
Wed 16:04

drunk to seer
Operative Wed 16:04

What?
Wed 16:04

Oh cool
Wed 16:04

So we have three strong village sobers
Wed 16:04

Someone is bullshtiing
SheriffBourne Wed 16:05

Either mod reconsidered and setup was inbalanced at the start, or we lost serious power so far in the 5 deaths, and/or someone is bullshitting
Operative Wed 16:05

We know what we've lost mainly by GD
Wed 16:05

ML, stalker, fam and a GD
Wed 16:06

Not sure what ath was
Wed 16:10

Also I get that you want to defend your mason but I don't see why you suddenly trust him completely
Wed 16:11

Like you're saying "you got something to say to him, you say it to me"
Wed 16:11

You haven't seen him in night chat yet
Niska Wed 16:13

If I wanted to make up some bs I could have made something far better than this or just make a better claim from the get to go if I am evil my drunk claim doesnt really require any checks right now
Operative Wed 16:14

Just because there are better claims doesn't make you lit
SheriffBourne Wed 16:14

I don't trust him completely, I said that strictly speaking we're not tied, but it is likely. So any theory, which is a trade in rivalling likelihoods, should account for that likeliness.
Operative Wed 16:14

Everyone doesn't always make the optimal choice
Wed 16:15

Under the pressure of 10 votes you might make a bad claim and bad track and change until something fits
Wed 16:15

back*
Niska Wed 16:16

True operative, but as drunk if I get lynched at that moment I didnt care if I were going to get lynched, but then I noticed I wasnt a drunk anymore so thats were I started to change.
Wed 16:16

If I were evil I'd go silent and prepare my claim
Wed 16:16

Then come back with everything worked out
Operative Wed 16:17

Well you can say that but it doesn't make it true for anyone but you
Wed 16:17

"If I were evil I'd do this" - isn't an arguement for litness imo
Wed 16:17

Because how am I supposed to know whether that's true
Niska Wed 16:17

Yeah, still gonna say how it is from my pov
Operative Wed 16:17

Sure
Inara Wed 16:17

I've seen people have a whole fake claim planned out the night before then it get ripped to shreds because people didn't believe it.
Operative Wed 16:18

But I look at whose died so far and what the drunks are claiming and it doesn't add up
Inara Wed 16:18

So, I remain skeptical.
Operative Wed 16:19

Two masons and a seer when we've only lost a GD, a ML and a stalker - when we already have a bunch of stalkers, a whole inq team and a GC=V who could revive
Wed 16:19

Does not make sense
Niska Wed 16:19

Depends on who got fam recruited if you assume multiple vm
JubalEarly Wed 16:19

really gotta consider vamp recruits too
Wed 16:19

ta
Wed 16:19

ya*
Mal Wed 16:20

wow, what a mess tihs day has turned into
Wed 16:21

Sobering up into a plain villager is a bit of a kick in the teeth. I'm not totally convinced by the mason thing, becuase a GV could revive Kaylee and then we get a super mason faction of 7 people? (Kaylee + 2 recruits, 2 recruits from SheriffBourne, Niska + 2 Recruits)
Wed 16:21

Doesn't feel right
Operative Wed 16:22

Plus the recharge
Mal Wed 16:22

yes, plus the recharge, which gives + 2 recruits
Wed 16:22

(1 to each leader)
Wed 16:22

so 9 people. And then SheriffBourne could be revived? 10 and get his extra recruit, 11
Operative Wed 16:23

It's crazy
JubalEarly Wed 16:23

I mean in a best case world where no one dies and every recruit is successful..
Niska Wed 16:23

That would be cool, doubt it comes to that
Wed 16:23

Exactly Jubal
JubalEarly Wed 16:23

if evils were to kill Sheriff they would probably just kill niska first
Wed 16:23

so sheriff likely only dies if he recruits an evil
Wed 16:24

or if niska is already dead
Operative Wed 16:25

I mean hopefully Sheriff is more careful recruiting than Kaylee
Mal Wed 16:25

(I mis counted, the original super-masonry would be 8, and becomes 12 with refresh and revives)
Operative Wed 16:26

but the amount of masons that could come from this is insane
Wed 16:26

especially with only 1/2 deaths at night (2 only happening with MW0
Moderator Wed 16:27

Jayne votes to lynch Patience
Jayne Wed 16:27

Patience is the lurker correct?
Moderator Wed 16:27

River votes to lynch Patience
Mal Wed 16:27

Also there is inq (2 starters + 2 recruits) - 16 possible people in some kind of sub-faction ?
Wed 16:28

(And Inq get very shafted there - 4 vs 12)
JubalEarly Wed 16:28

fwiw, Sheriff was against lynching Book for most of the day yesterday
Wed 16:29

until the evidence from inquisitor came forward
Wed 16:29

wouldn't be surprised if he was vamp and recruited niska last night
Jayne Wed 16:29

I just don't have anything to add to the likelihood of some thing or another being true arguments and I am going for niska's I would have done something better than this. Also lots of danger in the claim.
Operative Wed 16:29

vamp claiming ML is quite strong if they are VM
Wed 16:29

They get recruits
JubalEarly Wed 16:30

Niska basically claimed vanilla until he saw he was still getting lynched
Operative Wed 16:30

^
Niska Wed 16:30

I claimed drunk when I saw I was getting lynched
JubalEarly Wed 16:30

right and then vanilla
Niska Wed 16:30

until I noticed that I sobered up
JubalEarly Wed 16:30

and saw you were still getting lynched
Niska Wed 16:30

yeah
Jayne Wed 16:30

I can be swayed I just don't want to be on him for dates reasons.
Wed 16:31

*dated
JubalEarly Wed 16:31

and now reading back I saw that Sheriff really didn't want Book to be lynched
Wed 16:31

but was kinda forced to roll with it once inquisitor revealed his checks
Wed 16:31

and now we know Book was actually fam
Wed 16:32

Doesn't give Sheriff a great look imo
Jayne Wed 16:32

Can VM recruit a drunk?
JubalEarly Wed 16:33

not positive but I'd think so
Wed 16:33

I guess some evidence against that theory is that Niska may have just wanted to claim whatever fam role he got if he were recruited
Wed 16:34

drunks turning into fam roles seem like a 50/50 true story vs getting vamp recruited
Niska Wed 16:34

what kind of vm would recruit me after I was so sus?
Wed 16:34

dont know if recruiting drunks is possible, I would say yes, but not sure
Wed 16:35

I think drunks count as village parity so could be possible to recruit them
JubalEarly Wed 16:35

just saying the whole thing was sus today and Sheriff was defending a fam yesterday. You may not have been the best recruit, which I'd agree with, but I wouldn't say a vm would never recruit you
Jayne Wed 16:37

So can we step through the time line of Sheriff is a VM and Niska got recruited and see if it fits what happened in any sensible way to land on needing to make up the mod made me a new role story?
JubalEarly Wed 16:38

if that's what happened I'd imagine he got recruited last night
Operative Wed 16:38

Could have been night 1
Wed 16:38

before he acted all weir
Wed 16:38

d
JubalEarly Wed 16:38

and if Niska is lying, I think the new role thing was a last ditch attempt to not get lynched after trying to claim drunk->vanilla
Wed 16:39

I think there's actually a decent chance he's lit though
Operative Wed 16:40

I have to say if Niska's story is true I'm not a fan of bringing things outside of game to prove litness
Niska Wed 16:40

Sorry about that
Jayne Wed 16:40

I am not likely to believe a timeline that has them here in a premeditated way.
Niska Wed 16:41

Next games I am drunk I will just check outside sources first before I claim
JubalEarly Wed 16:41

feels a little too messy for this to be premeditated
Wed 16:41

oooh
Jayne Wed 16:41

Agree
JubalEarly Wed 16:41

you said no likely
Wed 16:41

not*
Jayne Wed 16:42

I am open minded and a bit out of my comfort zone is this conversation so I am open to more experienced voices.
JubalEarly Wed 16:43

if we could confirm them in some capacity outside of both of them saying they saw each other in mason night chat, it could be pretty good for the village
Wed 16:43

so there's definitely an argument for giving them at least another night
Wed 16:44

I think another recruit would be a good start
Wed 16:44

in a situation where Sheriff is a vm, I'd think Book was his fam
Wed 16:45

oh wait do they get 3 recruits or 2?
Wed 16:45

3 (just checked)
Wed 16:45

ok so 2 more recruits or a seer would be ideal
Jayne Wed 16:47

That sounds very reasonable to me.
JubalEarly Wed 16:49

but still definitely a red flag with Sheriff not wanting Book lynched for a good amount of time yesterday
Patience Wed 16:51

What did Sheriff claim?
JubalEarly Wed 16:51

drunk->ML
Wed 16:51

as of today
Patience Wed 16:51

I'm willing to believe him for now
Lenore Wed 16:51

This game practically flipped the middle finger on me.
Patience Wed 16:52

We'll probably want a seer check soon though
Mal Wed 16:54

tbh I'm happy enough to just lynch niska, and GD them and see what they come back as. If they actually appear as villager then that's ok
Lenore Wed 16:55

I'm not agreeing to lynching Niska just yet.
Wed 16:55

Let me go batshit crazy and say that I'm not up to lynch any of the drunks-turned-village roles just yet.
Mal Wed 16:55

I don't think the super-masons makes sense.
Patience Wed 16:56

I think it's best to wait until we get more solid information before we lynch these claims
Mal Wed 16:56

I'll reserve judgement on the seer.
Lenore Wed 16:56

Mal, I don't see the basis of your suspicion on the mason claims.
Wed 16:56

You claim they'll become some huge subfaction overlords, which doesn't even sound bad.
Wed 16:57

And your scenario only comes true if there's no vamps to kill them off.
Operative Wed 16:57

Giving the masons that much strength when the village has barely lost anyone doesn't seem likely
Lenore Wed 16:58

People forgot fam recruitment, didn't they?
Wed 16:58

Killing isn't the only way village suffers.
Wed 16:59

And considering we have a better understanding that wolves are an unlikely possibility in this game, Multiple vamps means that at least 4-5 people have been fammed in this short period.
Wed 16:59

Sounds like a good time for a seer and a mason team to show up.
Operative Wed 16:59

then bring back power roles, why the masons?
Lenore Wed 17:00

You're implying that "ML" is not a power role.
Operative Wed 17:00

There's a ML in the gy
Wed 17:00

We have a GV
Patience Wed 17:01

Since when do we have a GV?
Lenore Wed 17:01

ML is in GY, which makes drunk-to-ML believable. GV doesn't roll seer every time, and this GV has not rolled seer even once.
JubalEarly Wed 17:01

well someone claimed GV at least
Patience Wed 17:01

I haven't seen anyone claim
Lenore Wed 17:01

Stitch claimed GV.
JubalEarly Wed 17:01

I think operative implied that Kaylee will be revived
Patience Wed 17:01

Ah, okay
Wash Wed 17:02

I have a stab wound in my jugular and I'm not afraid to chug sunflower oil so it spills everywhere and I can say "I PISSED ME NECK" while I choke, drown, and bleed to death.
Operative Wed 17:03

Do it
Lenore Wed 17:03

I'm entirely sure that any votes on Niska and Higgins are PURELY out of spite or evil intentions, and the sus on Sheriff is due to his indirect connection to Niska.
Wash Wed 17:03

Niska's claim was a bit shit.
Lenore Wed 17:03

A bit? It was absolute shit.
Wash Wed 17:04

Nah, only a little bit absolute shit.
Nandi Wed 17:04

Gonna contribute my two cents and play the devil's advocate, but I think it's also possible for Mr. Universe to be a familiar.
Lenore Wed 17:04

Reason for these 2 cents?
Wed 17:05

Why fam? Why not vamp?
Nandi Wed 17:05

It's a baseless theory, but my reasoning is similar to the Stalker claim.
Wash Wed 17:05

I feel like becoming opinionated.
Nandi Wed 17:05

Some guy comes up and reveals their role, giving us something to discuss.
Operative Wed 17:06

Vamps are on seperate teams aren't they?
Lenore Wed 17:06

Yes.
Nandi Wed 17:06

They are.
Operative Wed 17:06

cool
Niska Wed 17:06

vamps are loners, they only trust their slaves
Wash Wed 17:07

Succinctly tell me your reasoning behind your votes. Question directed to whomstever.
Niska Wed 17:07

I apologize for my shit claim Lenore :(
Nandi Wed 17:07

I'm gonna guess the theme here is recruitment.
Wash Wed 17:08

Is it because I cannot be assed coming to a conclusion myself? Maybe. I can't be assed answering that question either. I don't see a particular "edge" to either lynch, in a sense, a critical point that elevates the value of it over the other one.
Niska Wed 17:08

perhaps there is a vampire lord new role that can recruit vm and brings them together
Lenore Wed 17:08

My vote was originally at Fanty due to my stalk report on him. I had considered that he could be Maple due to his visit choice, but decided it'd still be better to get a claim out of him since he was on my sus list. Following that I decided that the votes were piling too high on him so I moved to one of the shared susses (a.k.a MrU).
Wash Wed 17:09

And MrUniverse was a behaviour sus that evolved into what was also a role sus, then.
Lenore Wed 17:10

Yes.
Wed 17:10

Currently though, I'm absolutely tempted to move to Mal since he's not making a lot of sense to me with his Mason-fear-mongering along with Operative. This also implies I'm equally inclined to vote Operative, which I do.
Wash Wed 17:10

An absurd movement this late in the day.
Wed 17:10

I wouldn't bother.
Lenore Wed 17:10

Jubal also comes to mind, tbh.
JubalEarly Wed 17:11

I think their points about masons were that drunks wouldn't turn into masons because it would be too powerful
Operative Wed 17:11

So anyone who thinks differently must be evil
JubalEarly Wed 17:11

and ouch :'(
Lenore Wed 17:11

Well, I can't move because I'm against a Niska lynch.
Wed 17:12

Operative Wed 17:11 So anyone who thinks differently must be evil <=== Good try there cookie, but my sus on you lot is because somehow you're trying to convince a village that having masons is bad.
JubalEarly Wed 17:12

clearly that can't be a point worth trying to convince people of
Wash Wed 17:12

I throw melons at people that disagree.
Lenore Wed 17:12

Clarity is lacking in this village if there are people thinking that having masons is bad.
Wash Wed 17:12

subfaction bad lenore
Operative Wed 17:13

Not bad, just not believable
Lenore Wed 17:13

And using perfect scenarios to make such a point is even more ridiculous.
Operative Wed 17:13

Noone is saying having masons is bad
Moderator Wed 17:14

Wash votes to lynch MrUniverse
Lenore Wed 17:14

Operative Wed 17:13 Not bad, just not believable <== So an evil role trying to claim that they converted to a role that doesn't currently exist in the H2P (with a fairly straight-forward purpose) is more believable?
Operative Wed 17:15

I don't like using outside of games things, ruins it
Lenore Wed 17:15

Is that going to be your argument every time?
Wash Wed 17:15

I anticipate things will be resolved more efficiently if a side is taken.
Wed 17:15

FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT
Operative Wed 17:16

How is that my argument everytime?
Nandi Wed 17:16

DON'T FIGHT, DON'T FIGHT, DON'T FIGHT
Lenore Wed 17:16

They got a message on discord rather than a proper mod-initiated conversion. How is that supposed to ruin the game?
Operative Wed 17:16

It breaks the fourth wall
Wash Wed 17:16

Hey, they were the one that brought it up.
Lenore Wed 17:17

Boy, it's a pain in the ass every time the 4th wall is broken.
Operative Wed 17:17

Lenore doesn't like it when people disagree with her
Wed 17:18

And is also more sarcastic than I can be bothered to deal with
Wed 17:18

And is also more sarcastic than I can be bothered to deal with
Lenore Wed 17:18

ayy look at this person trying to prove them points when i get foorius with them for this statement :D:D:D
Wash Wed 17:18

"I got a Discord message" --> "No you did not / Yes you did" The former is the problem part that "breaks the fourth wall", not the latter.
Operative Wed 17:18

I've made my point earlier
Wash Wed 17:19

Mod said it's my turn on the Xbox.
Lenore Wed 17:19

So have I. I've mentioned who my susses are, and stated why the "believability factor" seems to be mishandled. If you don't agree that's your problem.
Wed 17:19

no wash i told u to wash dishes u tat
Operative Wed 17:19

It's not a problem
Lenore Wed 17:20

Another note: Perfectly fine with a MrU lynch.
Wash Wed 17:21

no that will end the universe wtf
Lenore Wed 17:21

then dont vote there u cuck
Wed 17:21

n wash the dishes alrdy wtf
Wash Wed 17:21

o
Wed 17:23

Suffice to say I have reached the "literally just lynch someone man" stage.
Wed 17:23

Either way, both will end up resolved or at least better understood.
Lenore Wed 17:23

Agreed.
Patience Wed 17:24

Where did I pick up 3 votes?
Tracey Wed 17:24

Hey everyone, im back and have read up (mostly) what happened since i was last here
Operative Wed 17:24

Lurking Pateince
Patience Wed 17:25

Ah, understandable. I've been involved in many other things]
Tracey Wed 17:25

Firstly this "oh im a villager" drunk claim "oh wait no I'm a SPECIAL role" seems like absolute bullshit to me
Wed 17:25

like seriously?
Wed 17:26

It's so obvious it's got people believing it
Moderator Wed 17:26

Tracey votes to lynch Niska
Lenore Wed 17:26

And things returned to a balance, yet again.
Tracey Wed 17:26

"it cant possibly be a play because it's too obvious"
Wash Wed 17:26

Not quite. 7-8.
Tracey Wed 17:26

is what I'm guessing people are thinking
Wed 17:27

christ
Lenore Wed 17:27

Oh, my bad.
Tracey Wed 17:27

anyway thats just my opinion obvs, but im not buying it
Lenore Wed 17:27

A'ight.
Operative Wed 17:27

Guess you're still happy with a lynch on the horizon Wash
Wash Wed 17:27

It has to be a play because Mod does not do that.
Wed 17:27

I hate everyone. I guess you could say my hate was universal.
Tracey Wed 17:28

Mr Universal
Wash Wed 17:28

haha yeah lol
SheriffBourne Wed 17:28

I hate almost everyone as well.
Lenore Wed 17:28

I hate this game. First the nonsensical stuff from the last 2 days and now this new crap.
Operative Wed 17:28

Then don't play
Lenore Wed 17:29

I joined it. Leaving mid-game is not my thing.
Wash Wed 17:29

I have a coping mechanism.
Wed 17:29

I add another layer of irony every time I am bored.
SheriffBourne Wed 17:29

Niska and I can confirm one another. Stalkers can confirm my visits, so you know who my next recruit is.
Lenore Wed 17:29

A little advice for you young blood. Don't be that twat who leaves the game because you're not liking it.
SheriffBourne Wed 17:29

If this is a vamp basement, it's no big threat.
Mal Wed 17:30

SheriffBourne: make it me or I riot. I'll riot so hard Helix will be memeing about it for months on discord.
SheriffBourne Wed 17:30

So the apparent need to lynch Niska at this stage is bull to me
Lenore Wed 17:30

SheriffBourne Wed 17:29 If this is a vamp basement, it's no big threat. <=== Sheriff, if vamps are the only evil factions here then this statement is pretty weird.
Operative Wed 17:30

So sick of Lenore's attitude, it's a game.
Lenore Wed 17:30

Deal with it.
Operative Wed 17:30

Patronising, rude
SheriffBourne Wed 17:31

Lenore, I disagree. I mean that if this is a vamp basement, it's totally locked in.
Lenore Wed 17:31

Okay, fair enough.
SheriffBourne Wed 17:31

Which is still something to investigate, but not something to lynch pre-emptively
Wed 17:31

or whatever that last word has to be
Lenore Wed 17:31

Agreed, but you'll have to convince a good 8 people.
Patience Wed 17:32

True; he's made it obvious enough that he's a visitor to attract every Stalker there is to himself and Niska
Operative Wed 17:32

Stalking tonight wouldn't confirm you sheriff, a vamp can also make none lethal visits
Wed 17:32

Imagine if he was OW, what a play
Lenore Wed 17:33

And currently, my sus list is saying that 5 people in that voting pile are evil. @Sheriff
Patience Wed 17:33

Yes, but then if we have a Vamp problem we know who the problem is
JubalEarly Wed 17:39

tbh Niska still seems very unbelievable to me and my gut says to lynch but I'm open to wait at least another day
Mal Wed 17:39

"Lenore ... my sus on you lot is because somehow you're trying to convince a village that having masons is bad." << It's not that masons are bad. It's that allowing up to 12 masons is game-breaking and Mod wouldn't do it
JubalEarly Wed 17:40

I tried explaining that but she seems convinced that you just think a lot of masons is bad for village -_-
Lenore Wed 17:40

Again, that bit is because you're dreaming up a perfect scenario.
Wed 17:40

Keyword: Perfect.
Wed 17:40

That scenario is the most unlikely to happen in a multi-vamp game.
Mal Wed 17:41

I've seen large teams of masons survive
Wed 17:41

Good protection, low quality evil targets etc
Wed 17:42

Niska's claim was bs, and the implications from it are bs
Wed 17:42

thus, the vote
Lenore Wed 17:42

And I remain unconvinced of your argument.
Mal Wed 17:42

good for you
Wed 17:43

I'm convinced enough by it that I'm voting Niska and that's what matters for me
Lenore Wed 17:43

Okay, so I take it that you don't buy Sheriff's claim either, otherwise it would ake sense to you to leave Niska alive for tonight.
Mal Wed 17:43

for what it's worth, I'm also not so keen on the drunk turned seer claim, or the GV that didn't revive someone we pretty universally thought was likely an ML with a failed recruitment.
Lenore Wed 17:44

And the stalker who stalked a maple, and the GD with 2 sensible digs. Every claim so far is evil.
Wed 17:44

Okay.
Mal Wed 17:44

I didn't say you were evil
Wed 17:44

or that the maple was evil
Wed 17:44

or that the GDs were evil
Wed 17:44

my mouth, your words, stop :)
Operative Wed 17:44

She does that
Wash Wed 17:45

I do not get the contention here. Simply a question of whether or not to lynch Niska tonight, not on whether or not he is evil in the first place?
Lenore Wed 17:46

I've made my sentiment more than clear. I'd rather have MrU lynched rather than Niska.
Mal Wed 17:46

I'd rather lynch and get a GD dig to either confirm or deny their drunkery. I'm also looking forward to the result of Higgins seering
JubalEarly Wed 17:46

if Niska is a fam there's an upside of likely having also found the vamp
Lenore Wed 17:46

1. I don't think he's evil with the "World's shittiest claim". 2. Sheriff is a point of verification for Niska.
Mal Wed 17:47

so Why MrUniverse then?
Lenore Wed 17:47

Shared sus, militia claim is a common evil fake claim. No contributions whatsoever.
Wed 17:47

Lurky as fuck, and the only other pile that's stacked high enough.
JubalEarly Wed 17:48

vote piles can shift with this many players
Operative Wed 17:48

I would like to say the suss on universe is based on kaylee talking to him on day 1. Which I think is pretty bs
JubalEarly Wed 17:48

I think
Mal Wed 17:48

The sus on MrUniverse is because they talked to Kaylee n1?
JubalEarly Wed 17:48

Mr.U could be a vamp recruit
Mal Wed 17:48

d1 *
Operative Wed 17:48

The idea was that they thought she tried to recruit him and dies
JubalEarly Wed 17:48

but that wouldn't line up with Kaylee dying from trying to recruit him
Wed 17:49

rather wait for a revive to reveal who Kaylee tried to recruit
Operative Wed 17:49

Which is very thin
Mal Wed 17:49

If only we had a GV who had the option of reviving the failed recruiter...
JubalEarly Wed 17:49

inb4 "Kaylee never spoke"
Operative Wed 17:49

Yes
Moderator Wed 17:49

Niska votes to lynch MrUniverse
Niska Wed 17:49

saving myself
Lenore Wed 17:49

1. They talked to Kaylee on D1, making them a potential recruit. 2. They're lurky as fuck. 3. No contributions apart from their role claim.
Wed 17:49

potential ML recruit*
Operative Wed 17:49

Talking to kaylee is so thin
Lenore Wed 17:50

You still can't ignore the other 2 points though.
Operative Wed 17:50

Like you think us sussing Niska is bad but someone had a conversation = evil
Niska Wed 17:50

why is everyone throwing themselves at my shitty claim? It surely doesnt hurt to spent some time to let me confirm myself
Operative Wed 17:50

He had a claim and made it much better than Niska
MrUniverse Wed 17:50

Hello, I'm back. Work is busy. I see my role claim wasn't enough for some
Operative Wed 17:51

Also there are more lurky people
Lenore Wed 17:51

Funny enough, that's exactly how I'd play as an evil. Having a better claim than Niska and fucking off for the rest of the day.
Zoe Wed 17:51

lurkiness/lack of contributions isn't always a sign of evilness.
MrUniverse Wed 17:51

Like dandy?
Wed 17:51

*Fanty
JubalEarly Wed 17:51

so having a good claim makes you evil now?
MrUniverse Wed 17:51

Stupid phone
Operative Wed 17:51

Apparently
Lenore Wed 17:52

Lack of contributions <=== This very much is what evils are prone to do. NOT contribute.
Zoe Wed 17:52

Like, that's how some people play a wolf.
MrUniverse Wed 17:52

So, I'm evil for both having a conversation AND not having conversations?
Wed 17:52

Did I get that right?
Wash Wed 17:52

yes
MrUniverse Wed 17:52

Cool
JubalEarly Wed 17:52

ya why didn't you play better
MrUniverse Wed 17:52

Glad I'm on the right page
Wash Wed 17:52

heck
Operative Wed 17:52

But then you suss me Lenore and I'm talking all the time
JubalEarly Wed 17:52

you need just the right amount and also have a shitty, but not too shitty claim
Lenore Wed 17:52

not having conversations <=== Not conversation. The word is "contribution".
Operative Wed 17:53

Lol claim drunk and change your claim 3 times. That should work
Lenore Wed 17:53

*sigh*
MrUniverse Wed 17:53

I've done what I can. I've confirmed checks when asked, I gave my role when people asked, I even contributed to the "what happened to kaylee?" On an earlier day
Wash Wed 17:54

https://i.imgur.com/PZ1iZbZ.png
Zoe Wed 17:54

actually, if this game has taught me anything, it's that making many contributions can mean evil just as much as having few.
Niska Wed 17:54

This day is not my proudest day in my ww.es time
Operative Wed 17:55

Can't believe people are gonna lynch someone based on bs and let Niska live with this garbo claim
Wash Wed 17:55

"People" actually appear to be balancing, Jim.
Lenore Wed 17:55

thanos meme thanos meme
Operative Wed 17:56

Guess that's fine
Wed 17:56

Rather Niska though
Fanty Wed 17:56

By the way in all this mess, has anyone not talked?? I'm happy to kill somneone who hasn't spoken or voted if it comes ot it
Wed 17:57

Just to prove my mournful wolfy ways
Mal Wed 17:57

Mingo hasn't spoke today
Lenore Wed 17:57

Mingo.
Mal Wed 17:57

Fanty, Mingo, Nandi haven't voted.
Operative Wed 17:57

Saffron Monty and Mingo have been low on activity
Wed 17:57

Think saffron said hi and left
Wash Wed 17:58

balance is not fine you butter-bleeding, horse arse eating, banana fondling, antagonist looking, badly named, dimly lit headed, potato-smelling pile of meat
Lenore Wed 17:58

Now, if only there were a pile on Saffron, I'd lynch her instead.
Wash Wed 17:58

And you bloody well know that, Operative.
JubalEarly Wed 17:58

you can try to make it happen
Lenore Wed 17:58

Or Mingo for that matter.
JubalEarly Wed 17:58

I'm willing to vote for people other than MrU or Niska
MrUniverse Wed 17:58

I would vote for an inactive
Operative Wed 17:58

Sure Wash whatever you say
Moderator Wed 17:58

Lenore votes to lynch Saffron
Mal Wed 17:58

mingo is getting smited if they don't vote
Moderator Wed 17:58

Jayne votes to lynch Mingo
Wash Wed 17:58

Yes, whatever I say becomes law.
Lenore Wed 17:58

Lynch here then.
Mal Wed 17:58

I think?
Wed 17:59

Or was that a couple of days ago
Wash Wed 17:59

For I hold the power of the sun in my hands.
JubalEarly Wed 17:59

I'm fine with Saffron
Moderator Wed 17:59

JubalEarly votes to lynch Saffron
Moderator Wed 17:59

Jayne votes to lynch Saffron
Moderator Wed 17:59

MrUniverse votes to lynch Saffron
Wash Wed 17:59

"fuck it let's lynch a lurker lmao"
JubalEarly Wed 17:59

that always works
Wash Wed 17:59

We've made this EXACT SAME MISTAKE BEFORE
Mal Wed 18:00

ah no, mingo was "active in the last day" this morning rather than smite warninged
Lenore Wed 18:00

ash Wed 17:59 We've made this EXACT SAME MISTAKE BEFORE <=== Remind me please.
Wed 18:00

Oh, and now you're "ash".
Wed 18:00

Not Wash.
Wed 18:00

Wash can fuck off.
Mal Wed 18:00

Moving to a lurker is not the answer to "is this shit claim better than this not-so-shit claim but how dare you talk to someone who died"
Wash Wed 18:00

You should know I don't back things up with anything.
Wed 18:00

Listen up, missy.
Wed 18:01

It's high time we faced the real threat.
JubalEarly Wed 18:01

im cool with lynching any of them tbh
Wash Wed 18:01

And that's Operative for not saying "lol" to my insult.
Lenore Wed 18:01

l o l
Wash Wed 18:01

Fucker should be GV but he isn't, obvious evil.
Lenore Wed 18:01

Here, that should calm you down.
Wash Wed 18:01

AAAAAAAAAAA
JubalEarly Wed 18:01

GV not reviving is pretty shit though I agree
Wed 18:01

point was made earlier
Wed 18:01

but ya
Operative Wed 18:02

Shit claims everywhere
MrUniverse Wed 18:02

Yeah, would have sorted the failed recruit mess
JubalEarly Wed 18:02

ooh true
Zoe Wed 18:02

Who claimed GV?
MrUniverse Wed 18:02

Actually, a thought
Operative Wed 18:02

Stitch
MrUniverse Wed 18:02

If we are too believe the drunks into masons...
Zoe Wed 18:03

Have they been confirmed?
MrUniverse Wed 18:03

Would that not imply a LACK of potential revives
Wash Wed 18:03

Remember the last time a GV said "yes i had revive but did not use it"?
JubalEarly Wed 18:03

@MrU I agree with that
Wed 18:03

but then like, are these drunk masons even lit
Wash Wed 18:03

Happenstance would have them not be a GV in that game.
Moderator Wed 18:04

Niska votes to lynch Saffron
MrUniverse Wed 18:04

My past experience with botched claims is it an evil messing up
JubalEarly Wed 18:04

ya my gut still says Niska is lying
Niska Wed 18:04

welcome to Niska travelling we provide you new and exciting experiences
JubalEarly Wed 18:05

I mean for mod to give us a whole new mason faction with a pre-made recruit that also turns into ML
Wed 18:05

I feel like we'd need to be losing pretty hard
Lenore Wed 18:05

Niska, I want a first-class ride.
Niska Wed 18:05

who says you arent?
JubalEarly Wed 18:05

but maybe we are
Wed 18:05

ya idk
Lenore Wed 18:05

"Vamps can recruit".
Niska Wed 18:05

Sure Lenore welcome
Lenore Wed 18:05

H2P
Wash Wed 18:05

Does it feel like losing?
JubalEarly Wed 18:05

I've made the point so many times Lenore
Wash Wed 18:06

Watch out, I'm close to discussing the setup again.
Lenore Wed 18:06

So why does the "3 drunks turning village" seem so ridiculous to you?
Wed 18:06

Or is it only Niska?
JubalEarly Wed 18:06

mainly Niska/Sheriff. I'd believe that we got a seer
Wed 18:06

or just a ML
Wed 18:07

having two people start in the same faction is so powerful imo
Lenore Wed 18:07

So in theory, you could put a prot (Inara) on Sheriff, and have them verify Niska is a valid method to check him, yes?
JubalEarly Wed 18:07

so we would need to be getting completely destroyed to need that is how I feel
Niska Wed 18:07

well, seems like sth big happened that required this to happen
Wed 18:08

So is it more of a risk to lynch us and rob you of any chance to use that advantage
JubalEarly Wed 18:08

@Lenore, if we are to believe Sheriff
Niska Wed 18:08

Or is it so dangerous to give us 1 more night?
Lenore Wed 18:08

And what aspect of Sheriff's claim is not-so-believable?
Wed 18:08

@Jubal
Wed 18:09

The fact that you believe Higgins? Or the fact that the ML claim is indirectly tied to Niska?
JubalEarly Wed 18:09

Well he made it when Niska was in danger of getting lynched. We were saying that a drunk turned ML would make Niska more believable
Wed 18:09

and then that so happened to be the case
Wed 18:09

also he was against lynching Book yesterday
Lenore Wed 18:09

So was River.
JubalEarly Wed 18:09

well she's not the center of this right now
Wed 18:10

these are things that add uo
Wed 18:10

up*
Lenore Wed 18:10

But we believe River is lit, yes?
Niska Wed 18:10

If I am telling the truth you are shooting yourself in the knee by lynching me cause you already lost some serious village power. If I am lying then what is so dangerous letting me live one more night and confirm it?
JubalEarly Wed 18:10

Do we have a reason to believe she's lit?
MrUniverse Wed 18:11

She claimed gd
Wed 18:11

And her dig was verified by Lawrence
Lenore Wed 18:11

I don't know what exactly makes you say that, but I see her as a sensible GD claim. Gave info when we had nothing to go on with and verified Inara's story. Not something an evil wants to do.
JubalEarly Wed 18:11

so then sure, she's pretty lit
MrUniverse Wed 18:11

Who was verified by recruitment to the inq
JubalEarly Wed 18:12

I'm not saying every person who didn't want to lynch Book is evil
Wed 18:12

but when someone is already sus and they also didn't want to lynch Book, it doesn't help their case
Lenore Wed 18:12

Was sheriff sus before their resistance to lynching Book?
JubalEarly Wed 18:13

not particularly iirc
Lenore Wed 18:13

So the only point of sus on them is the resistance to Book's lynch.
JubalEarly Wed 18:13

plus today
Lenore Wed 18:14

My bad, I should have clarified. The point of sus from yesterday.
Wed 18:14

Was this point of sus from yesterday ever mentioned yesterday? Because I'm only seeing people talking about it today.
JubalEarly Wed 18:14

ya, which wasn't sus until we confirmed that Book is fam today
Lenore Wed 18:15

Fair.
JubalEarly Wed 18:15

<Sheriff> Tue 10:34 I don't see the necessity of lynching Book Tue 10:34 The Fam won't move anywhere
Wed 18:15

<Sheriff> Tue 10:34 (And just for clarity, I'm not leaning towards Book-is-Fam atm, my judgement is still not made)
Wed 18:16

like he doesn't think he's fam but if he is he thinks its fine to not lynch
Wed 18:16

like...
Wed 18:16

<Sheriff> Tue 10:37 I think I like Inara. I think I dislike/suspect people who are very eager on the Book-lynch, like River.
Wed 18:17

and then he finally voted once Simon clarified he was inquisitor
Lenore Wed 18:17

Point on not lynching the fam: Lynching the Vamp carries more weight objectively. While that point was not made yesterday that we only had a fam suspect to lynch, it's still fair enough since the fam was a stalker. Stalker's are not killing at any capacity.
JubalEarly Wed 18:17

since that is pretty air-tight
Lenore Wed 18:17

So he favoured the lynch once he had cold, hard intel.
Wed 18:18

Doesn't sound like the kind of resistance to sus someone on.
JubalEarly Wed 18:18

ya because denying it at that point is pretty much suicide
Lenore Wed 18:18

Okay, so either way, for you Sheriff is not a good point of verification. What about Higgins?
Wed 18:19

You trust Higgins.
JubalEarly Wed 18:19

I wouldn't say I trust him, but I believe him more than Niska
Wed 18:19

I don't just go around trusting people
Lenore Wed 18:19

So he's a good point of verification in your opinion.
Wed 18:19

Not the best, but good enough.
JubalEarly Wed 18:20

eh, not the best point, but somewhat decent ya
Lenore Wed 18:20

So technically, stick a prot behind him and seer-check Niska should solve it too.
Wed 18:20

Not the best verification, but good enough.
Wed 18:20

Yeah?
JubalEarly Wed 18:20

ya that'd be decent
Lenore Wed 18:21

There we go.
JubalEarly Wed 18:21

maybe the potential GV could behold him if he rolled it or do a seer check himself
Wed 18:21

or revive Kaylee who can also verify masons
Wed 18:21

if GV is lit he should be able to do a lot basically
Inara Wed 18:22

IF
JubalEarly Wed 18:22

well ya
Inara Wed 18:22

Big if there.
JubalEarly Wed 18:22

medium if?
Wed 18:22

idk
Inara Wed 18:22

Undead confirmed.
Tracey Wed 18:23

Did the GV say what power they will have tonight?
JubalEarly Wed 18:23

I don't think so
Lenore Wed 18:23

So the argument on the GV is the lack of reviving on N2. Frankly, his reasoning was borderline terrible, but I'd give him a chance. Just saying though, a lot of the sus on Sheriff stems from the GV claiming to have beheld Lawrence.
JubalEarly Wed 18:24

so you think Lawrence may have been lit?
Wed 18:24

and Simon is lying?
Wed 18:24

about the inquisition?
Wed 18:24

oops not Lawrence
Lenore Wed 18:24

How does my statement even imply that?
JubalEarly Wed 18:24

meant Book
Lenore Wed 18:24

Hold on, how does my statement imply that again?
Wed 18:24

Sussing the GV =/= sussing Lawrence.
Inara Wed 18:25

I know I wasn't confirmed or anything but not reviving Kaylee because she could have been coven is pretty weak imho.
JubalEarly Wed 18:25

I meant Book
Wed 18:25

not Lawrence
Inara Wed 18:25

But, it is what it is.
JubalEarly Wed 18:25

because even if GV didn't confirm that Lawrence dug Book, it was still pretty clear that Book is a fam
Lenore Wed 18:25

Lawrence has to be a lit GD, but that doesn't have to mean that the GV claim beheld him (bogus behold?).
Wed 18:25

Ahh, I see what you mean.
JubalEarly Wed 18:25

well the sus on Sheriff has nothing to do with that then
Wash Wed 18:25

Again, I refer people to the last time a GV conveniently decided to not revive because "what if they is evils".
Inara Wed 18:25

Does Lawrence?
Lenore Wed 18:26

Simon recruited Lawrence.
Inara Wed 18:26

Oh yeah.
Lenore Wed 18:26

So if you doubt Lawrence, you doubt the inquisition.
JubalEarly Wed 18:26

I don't think anyone really doubts Lawrence though
Inara Wed 18:26

Nah, I'm happy with that.
JubalEarly Wed 18:26

well today at least
Inara Wed 18:27

I have no quarrel with the Inq as long as they're not trying to kill me.
MrUniverse Wed 18:27

I've got some bad news for you there
Lenore Wed 18:28

The universe has rejected WC?
Wed 18:28

:p
Wash Wed 18:28

*Actively* trying to kill, I believe she meant.
MrUniverse Wed 18:28

I never had any to begin with
Lenore Wed 18:29

Just to make this game mildly amusing, I'll be against the Inq's no-WC policy.
Inara Wed 18:29

Same here.
Lenore Wed 18:30

I mean, I'm no WC user here sis, but I feel your pain in this Inquisition era. *hugs Inara*
JubalEarly Wed 18:30

btw as it stands, Niska is getting lynched
Wash Wed 18:30

"are you wc" https://i.redd.it/ejndgyj4e5611.png
JubalEarly Wed 18:30

gtg for a bit
Wed 18:30

day ends at 20:00?
Lenore Wed 18:30

21:00
Wed 18:30

DST is over.
JubalEarly Wed 18:31

ok I'll be back around 20:00 then most likely
Wed 18:31

maybe a little later
Lenore Wed 18:31

Cool.
Inara Wed 18:33

Let's hope it keeps standing, eh Jubal?
Lenore Wed 18:34

Not happy with the lynch, but if if means no balance, so be it.
Inara Wed 18:35

At worst we're lynching a villager, really.
MrUniverse Wed 18:35

Assuming I am not lynched, do people want me to shoot an inactive person, or save for later?
Lenore Wed 18:35

Shoot Mingo.
Niska Wed 18:35

Inara stop twisting facts... you are lynching a mason member who can turn into a mason leader...
Wed 18:36

I am no simple villager
MrUniverse Wed 18:36

I hear a vote for Mingo
Inara Wed 18:36

Niska. Your role says villager, no?
Wed 18:36

I don't believe in new roles.
Wed 18:36

They don't exist.
Wed 18:39

If evils are wise they're just not going to kill Bourne and hope he doesn't kill himself. Then you're just a normal village who happens to be in the masons, by pure chance.
Wed 18:39

I bet Simon is pissed off that he didn't die N1 now.
Lenore Wed 18:40

Replace Simon with "Lenore".
Inara Wed 18:40

He could have had an Inquisition army.
Niska Wed 18:40

And thats a permamet +1 village vote and confirmed villager as long as I dont get killed Inara.
Wed 18:40

But who cares about majority
Inara Wed 18:40

Honestly not worth the risk in my opinion.
Niska Wed 18:41

what is the risk?
Wed 18:41

tell me please
Inara Wed 18:41

That you're evil.
Niska Wed 18:41

so what can I do in one night the suspicion is that I am a fam
Wed 18:41

so unless I am militia I am harmless
Inara Wed 18:41

Maybe you're the VM.
Wed 18:41

Who knows?
Niska Wed 18:41

good god
Wed 18:42

the paranoia
MrUniverse Wed 18:42

Hang on, why is lynching someone who you think is a familiar bad?
Inara Wed 18:42

What do you expect? You claimed Drunk who sobered up into a new role. I don't like either clause in that sentence.
MrUniverse Wed 18:42

If they are ONLY a familiar, that's still one less life for the vamp
Wed 18:43

Sobered during the day
Wed 18:43

I wasn't even aware that was a thing until today
Lenore Wed 18:43

I've said way more than I should bother. Inara, I've also explained how this man here can be verified by 2 different points of verification. I don't have the energy to go on with this further. Feel free to read back on what I've said and reconsider the option, if possible.
Niska Wed 18:43

cause If I am telling the truth and am drunk --> mason leader replacement then it tells you that sth happened that makes the village need me
Wed 18:43

so by lynching me you are placing the village at another disadvantage
Moderator Wed 18:45

Niska votes to lynch MrUniverse
Niska Wed 18:46

whatever seems like the best I can hope for is a balance rather than lynching someone else
Wed 18:50

I messed up and should have gathered my thoughts before just claiming what I am, should have known new role claims get lynched if there is nothing else also even if you lynched me it probably wasnt a smart idea to say I'd turn mason leader, still hope you loose cause of majority later on in the game :P Seems like you are in for a few suprises this game, cause I doubt village is the only faction that has new roles.
Wed 18:50

*did not lynch me
Operative Wed 18:57

Who's voting for Fanty?
Inara Wed 19:04

Fanty=2 (Monty, Fess), Higgins=1 (Badger), MrUniverse=6 (Stitch, Higgins, SheriffBourne, Wash, Niska, Patience), Niska=7 (Inara, Operative, Tracey, Saffron, Mal, Zoe, DrCaron), Patience=2 (Simon, River), Saffron=4 (Lenore, JubalEarly, Jayne, MrUniverse)
Operative Wed 19:04

Thanks
Jayne Wed 19:20

So..
Wed 19:22

I guess I will come back again closer to the time. I am in neither stack so could in theory tip a stack or balance if it is close but I am not currently convinced enough to do either.
Simon Wed 19:30

So are we wanting to lynch or balance?
Wed 19:32

Saffron has a stack for being Lurky yes?
Wed 19:34

I once again request a revive to bring back Lawrence to the living
Moderator Wed 19:34

Simon votes to lynch Saffron
Inara Wed 19:46

I second that ^
SheriffBourne Wed 19:46

I can move to Saffron to make that the new runner-up stack
Wed 19:46

if people are more inclined to go in that direction than MrU and I can save my potential Mason buddy Niska, I'm in for that
Moderator Wed 19:47

SheriffBourne votes to lynch Saffron
Moderator Wed 19:49

Niska votes to lynch Saffron
Niska Wed 19:49

now its a balance again
Inara Wed 19:50

[ Inara disliked that ]
Niska Wed 19:54

yeah you like to slaughter masons
SheriffBourne Wed 19:55

*ppst, be polite, Niska. Bite your righteous tongue. You need these @*#$*@ to help you, not lynch you* ;)
Niska Wed 19:56

Sorry :(
Inara Wed 19:56

So, why Saffron?
Wed 19:56

What makes her a better lynch than Niska?
Niska Wed 19:57

I will try to be nice from now on.
SheriffBourne Wed 19:58

Who are you asking, Inara?
Operative Wed 19:58

I think Niska is the better lynch personally
SheriffBourne Wed 19:59

Because you're asking the choir here, if you know what I'm getting at. It's clear to me that I want to give Niska a chance.
Jayne Wed 20:00

I am swayed by the argument if you are VM basement we will keep you from going anywhere.
SheriffBourne Wed 20:01

I'm glad you're seeing the value of that argument
Inara Wed 20:02

Just, anyone.
Wed 20:02

I don't have any impression on Saffron, she might as well not exist from my PoV.
JubalEarly Wed 20:03

pretty sure that's why she was picked
Wed 20:03

just very meh
Inara Wed 20:03

So I'm wondering whether that's why she has all the votes or if there was a better reason I missed?
JubalEarly Wed 20:03

no good reason really :/
Inara Wed 20:03

:\
JubalEarly Wed 20:03

I'm still highly skeptical of Niska so I'm tempted to move back
Wed 20:04

the upside seems so high if they're lit though
Operative Wed 20:04

I feel like this village is like moths to a vote stack
JubalEarly Wed 20:05

and if they're vamps, its not like they're going anywhere
Inara Wed 20:05

Jubal, that's exactly what makes me so skeptical.
JubalEarly Wed 20:05

Inara me too
Wed 20:05

it's like too good to be true
Inara Wed 20:05

It's "too good" to be true imho.
JubalEarly Wed 20:05

;O
Lenore Wed 20:05

Another balance, huh...
Inara Wed 20:05

Massively OP and basically fucks over other subfactions.
JubalEarly Wed 20:06

we haven't really had any evidence of illuminati tho
Inara Wed 20:06

Especially given we currently think we have a GV.
Niska Wed 20:06

I thought you said I am useless Inara and suddenly I am op? wanna make up your mind?
JubalEarly Wed 20:06

inquisition should be fine with lots of masons
Lenore Wed 20:06

Inara Wed 20:05 Massively OP and basically fucks over other subfactions. <=== Didn't know perfect scenarios happen so often. I must be living under a rock.
Inara Wed 20:07

?
Lenore Wed 20:07

The whole idea of the new role being so OP was the fact that someone came up with the perfect scenario.
Wed 20:08

One ML recruits, dies. New role converts and recruits, and the previous ML gets revived and recruits.
JubalEarly Wed 20:08

if they're lit and we lynch niska, we still have a ML, just he can't share his target recruit with anyone
Inara Wed 20:08

Three potential MLs is OP. Okay, yes, we might not hit that realistically, but I still think that's an argument for why it wouldn't be in play.
JubalEarly Wed 20:08

maybe there's 4 VMs?
SheriffBourne Wed 20:08

I think a lone ML is not much use, since Masons can confirm each other against familiarization.
Lenore Wed 20:08

Bring that to mod, was what River said.
Operative Wed 20:08

I don't think two masons would be added. Especially when they have the potential to become ML
Inara Wed 20:09

I did.
SheriffBourne Wed 20:09

I'd like another check on Inara for her faithfulness. Something tells me she might be getting familiar with someone evil.
Inara Wed 20:09

I still don't believe that he would have done it
Lenore Wed 20:09

JubalEarly Wed 20:08 maybe there's 4 VMs? <=== Provided there are no other evil factions, its possible.
Wed 20:09

it's*
Wed 20:09

(before mod comes with the Grammar Nazi gavel)
Wed 20:09

:p
JubalEarly Wed 20:10

that's one of the only reasons I'd think we have so many masons though. I mean if 3 VMs and they recruit almost every night so far
Wed 20:10

I guess that makes village consist of a little under half vampire
Lenore Wed 20:10

That's still 6 evils. And the VMs must have hit key village roles with the recruits.
JubalEarly Wed 20:10

it's like 10-12 evils if they recruited every night
Lenore Wed 20:10

Ahh, right.
SheriffBourne Wed 20:11

In that sense, you could really benefit from Niska and me both surviving the lynch. We can confirm each other. If I'm left alone, I can't really be checked. I might be recruited or killed or try to recruit an evil.
JubalEarly Wed 20:11

idk if that warrants needing a huge number of masons
Inara Wed 20:11

Well, Bester died, so... That's kind of good?
JubalEarly Wed 20:11

why is that good?
Lenore Wed 20:11

Inara Wed 20:11 Well, Bester died, so... That's kind of good? <=== Explain.
Inara Wed 20:11

It means there wasn't a recruit.
JubalEarly Wed 20:11

maple ate him
Inara Wed 20:11

It was an attempt at humour.
Lenore Wed 20:12

¬_¬
Inara Wed 20:12

I thought a Maple ate Atherton.
JubalEarly Wed 20:12

maybe I am misremembering
Lenore Wed 20:12

Maple claim ate Atherton. Bester died by a VM, or something else.
JubalEarly Wed 20:13

oh weird
Wed 20:13

totally thought Bester was eaten. my bad
Inara Wed 20:14

Hmm.
Lenore Wed 20:14

So mathematically, 3 VMs (likely) recruited N1, which adds up to 6 evil roles. N2 recruits by at least 1 VM in the best scenario of failing to recruit Bester by CO-INCIDENCE leaves us with 7 evils. N3 recruits by 2 VMs would lead us to 9 evils at the very minimum. At max we're looking at 10 evils.
Wed 20:15

10 evils, that's almost half of the village size.
JubalEarly Wed 20:15

so then mod thinks we need a ton of masons to compensate?
Lenore Wed 20:15

Maybe.
JubalEarly Wed 20:15

somewhat believable
Inara Wed 20:15

Why not Inquisition?
Lenore Wed 20:15

Because fuck them.
Inara Wed 20:15

Quite.
Lenore Wed 20:15

Seriously: They're all alive save for a recruit.
JubalEarly Wed 20:16

adding more to them would seem op
Lenore Wed 20:16

No reason to buff them up.
JubalEarly Wed 20:16

more so than starting masons over again
SheriffBourne Wed 20:16

Yes, that is the point. Inquisition is alive. Mason Leader died N1.
Wed 20:16

So there is asymmetry there
Wed 20:16

and it's not a big surprise mod then specifically rebuffed Masons
DrCaron Wed 20:16

Inquisition or illuminati?
Inara Wed 20:16

Yes.
SheriffBourne Wed 20:16

I don't understand the fuss that Inara is making here
Lenore Wed 20:17

The drunk to ML claim is solid. The drunk to seer claim is solid. That's 2 fairly solid points of verification for Niska. And if we're wrong, there's still not a faction for Niska to be to shift out.
Inara Wed 20:17

Hmm.
Wed 20:17

Ugh.
Wed 20:18

Dammit Lenore.
Lenore Wed 20:18

I know, I have the devil's tongue.
Operative Wed 20:18

Lol
Inara Wed 20:18

I'd argue with "solid"
Wed 20:18

No drunk claim is solid.
Lenore Wed 20:18

Okay, I can compromise with Higgins' claim.
Operative Wed 20:19

Eff da mesons lel
Moderator Wed 20:19

Inara votes to lynch Saffron
Operative Wed 20:19

Niskas claim is garbo
Lenore Wed 20:19

But you have to agree that a drunk turning ML when we know there's a dead ML is a fairly reasonable claim to believe.
Operative Wed 20:19

Why are we killing some random lady?
Inara Wed 20:19

If Niska is evil I'm gonna be so pissed off at you, Lenore.
SheriffBourne Wed 20:19

Operative, do I smell illuminati on your ass?
Lenore Wed 20:19

I'll be pissed at myself to Inara.
Wed 20:19

:p
Wed 20:19

too*
Inara Wed 20:19

Lenore, I don't think _any_ drunk claim is reasonable
Lenore Wed 20:20

Tell that to 295. :p
JubalEarly Wed 20:20

well thats more reason to think they might be reasonable
Wed 20:20

;)
SheriffBourne Wed 20:20

It's also about ability to verify a doubtful claim and the urgency of a fake claim being disastrous.
Wed 20:20

We are easily verified and we can't escape.
Wed 20:20

So yes, doubt us all you want - GOOD!
Wed 20:20

But don't say you NEED the lynch today on Niska
Wed 20:20

It's not reasonable
Operative Wed 20:20

I'd rather not kill than kill some random person for no reason
JubalEarly Wed 20:21

I would kinda prefer no lynch over saffron tbh
Lenore Wed 20:21

Also, an editor's note for subfactions: No subfaction better than the mason subfaction. ;)
Operative Wed 20:21

Masons don't have any special roles within them
Wed 20:21

So they're just shit inq
JubalEarly Wed 20:21

lot easier for them to win
Operative Wed 20:21

Or shit illu
Inara Wed 20:22

Or shit VMs.
Wed 20:22

Wait...
Lenore Wed 20:22

Inara, you have 2 prot targets tonight.
Wed 20:22

:p
JubalEarly Wed 20:22

gotta suck to be a living inq member and village wins with like 1 beholder
Wed 20:22

its like get fkd
Lenore Wed 20:22

If Niska is VM, you know how well your protection can save them. :)
Wed 20:23

Not just killing either.
Operative Wed 20:23

Why would she waste prot on Niska
Lenore Wed 20:23

them = 2 prot targets
Wed 20:23

Not Niska.
Operative Wed 20:24

Prot yourself if you didn't last night
Wed 20:25

Ef these haters
Lenore Wed 20:25

Ehhh, it's most likely a better call to either prot Sheriff or Higgins in the case that Niska is VM and attempts to recruit either one.
Wed 20:26

Not likely that he is in the first place though. We've not lynched a single VM and those fuckers don't die at night.
Operative Wed 20:26

Yeah well we aren't lynching one again so yipee
Lenore Wed 20:27

"Not likely that he is in the first place though"
Wed 20:27

And yes, I also regret that MrU is not getting lynched. He's infinitely a better VM than Niska. (if he is)
Inara Wed 20:29

We could probably still lynch MrU.
Wed 20:29

If you want.
Operative Wed 20:30

This is the annoying thing. Niska and sheriff can only confirm eachother really. Unless the third mason comes out. I guess the seer needs to check one of them. Of we believe that claim
Tracey Wed 20:31

Or we could just lynch Niska because it's so obvious
Operative Wed 20:31

Also sheriff if you don't know who to recruit, don't risk hitting a vamp
Tracey Wed 20:31

Like Christ
Wed 20:31

What are we doing
Lenore Wed 20:31

There isn't a 3rd Mason. And Higgins is the only living seer claim so far. So unless there's another seer claim tomorrow, Higgins is the only point of reference.
Operative Wed 20:31

Tonight there should be
SheriffBourne Wed 20:31

I could recruit someone you probably trust.
Lenore Wed 20:31

Sheriff, that person would easily be blamed of getting fammed.
SheriffBourne Wed 20:31

True
Wed 20:32

You need to check THAT person again
Lenore Wed 20:32

Frankly, since Higgins has some level of believability, I'd say he could check Niska, and if one of you blames the other of not showing up in the night chat, we know where to lynch.
Inara Wed 20:32

Lenore
Lenore Wed 20:32

Aye.
Inara Wed 20:33

Have either of your non-visits come out today?
Lenore Wed 20:33

Niska did.
Wed 20:33

N1 no move.
Operative Wed 20:33

Also seer mason isn't a bad idea
Inara Wed 20:33

Ah. Okay.
Lenore Wed 20:33

The other has spoken, but they've not convinced me that they're lit.
Niska Wed 20:33

Thanks, so do you think I am a vm that did not move n1?
Lenore Wed 20:33

Nope.
Operative Wed 20:34

I don't think your vm, I think you fam
Lenore Wed 20:34

You acted more like a banshee imo. And you turned out to be non-WC.
Inara Wed 20:34

Lenore, why Niska N1 BTW?
Lenore Wed 20:35

His messages from N1. I thought I sensed a bit of evil from him and stalked him.
Inara Wed 20:35

Thanks.
Lenore Wed 20:35

Clearly I need heavy re-calib on my senses after this game.
Operative Wed 20:35

Also the number of stalkers in this game is crazy
Wash Wed 20:35

shit senses
Wed 20:35

get better
Lenore Wed 20:35

It's expected in a vamp game.
Wed 20:36

And there's barely been 3 known stalkers (one who turned out to be fam). I'm expecting more stalker claims tomorrow.
Wed 20:37

fkn ash u better wash fkn dishes
Wash Wed 20:38

i becomst the washer
Lenore Wed 20:38

dish washer
Wash Wed 20:38

dish of the day
DrCaron Wed 20:38

wash disher
Lenore Wed 20:38

Oh goodie, more people showing up.
Wash Wed 20:39

I wanted to be disappointed by a balance. It would have been funny.
Wed 20:39

Imagine the sCREAMs
Lenore Wed 20:39

I get that you want me to troll.
Wed 20:40

I also get that you love the trolling by Niska and Higgins.
Wash Wed 20:40

Good stress relief.
Lenore Wed 20:40

But know this sonnie, I'll not troll.
Wash Wed 20:40

I have not noticed their trolling.
Lenore Wed 20:40

:p
Wed 20:40

becomst the troll thyself
Wash Wed 20:41

https://i.imgur.com/jpS2JvN.png
Lenore Wed 20:41

oof
Wash Wed 20:42

leaked photograph of vamp disowning fams that dont belong to them
Lenore Wed 20:42

i dont belong to u
Fanty Wed 20:42

I'm back for a few mins
Lenore Wed 20:43

ayy
Wash Wed 20:43

u will
Wed 20:43

when i shift
Operative Wed 20:43

Lol wash
Wash Wed 20:43

into MAXIMUM OVERDRIVE
Wed 20:43

nrrrrrrrrr
Lenore Wed 20:43

Wash Wed 20:43 u will <== I wonder why I started thinking of the song "Every breath you take".
Wash Wed 20:43

Fanty, tell me something I don't want to know.
Lenore Wed 20:44

That was a weird moment.
Fanty Wed 20:44

currently eating mingo unless I hear otherwise soon
Lenore Wed 20:44

Fanty, promise me one thing.
Wash Wed 20:44

I didn't want to know that.
Operative Wed 20:44

You don't have to eat tonight?
Wash Wed 20:44

Seriously, TMI, no cybering.
Fanty Wed 20:44

I don't, but thought you were keen for me to prove I am who I say I am
Inara Wed 20:44

I'm keen.
Lenore Wed 20:44

Fanty, promise me one thing
Wash Wed 20:44

Then why did you tell me something you thought I did want to know?
Lenore Wed 20:44

One thing.
Operative Wed 20:44

I would like you to eat Niska
Wash Wed 20:45

Fanty, promise me one thing.
Fanty Wed 20:45

Lenore baby, what you want
Lenore Wed 20:45

As a maple, it is your personal duty to eat EVERY night.
Wed 20:45

Promise me you'll do that.
Operative Wed 20:45

Lol what
Lenore Wed 20:45

It is called...
Wed 20:45

The FAT MAPLE.
Wash Wed 20:45

being a vampire
Wed 20:45

o
Inara Wed 20:45

dumb.
Lenore Wed 20:46

It is written in the great history books of all books...
Wed 20:46

Fat maple best maple. :p
Inara Wed 20:46

Can we make a list of everyone who has been useless so far?
Operative Wed 20:46

Niska
Wed 20:46

Mingo
Wed 20:46

Wash
Wed 20:46

Lol
Inara Wed 20:46

Eh.
Wed 20:46

I kinda meant like, not talked much.
Wash Wed 20:47

I've been useful, you just don't *want* to remember it.
Inara Wed 20:47

Zoe?
Wash Wed 20:47

Selective memory.
Lenore Wed 20:47

Zoe, yes. Very useless.
Inara Wed 20:47

Badger, maybe?
Operative Wed 20:47

Your memey pics are good, but you haven't added anything else man
Lenore Wed 20:47

Badger, forgettable.
Inara Wed 20:47

Monty?
Lenore Wed 20:47

Monty, I wonder.
Inara Wed 20:47

Patience?
Wash Wed 20:47

man you forget my theories
Lenore Wed 20:47

Patience, understandable.
Inara Wed 20:48

Oh?
Wed 20:48

In what sense?
Lenore Wed 20:48

She said she understood the pile on her earlier. :p
Inara Wed 20:48

Oh right.
Wash Wed 20:48

...Wait, really?
Inara Wed 20:48

Honestly didn't even realise she'd spoken today.
Lenore Wed 20:48

A true show of patience, one might say.
Wash Wed 20:48

I was amused by how my random vote just turned into a stack for no good reason.
Lenore Wed 20:50

I'm amused how people want to still kill Niska when there's a plan to verify him. Lynch him tomorrow if he turns out to be evil.
Inara Wed 20:51

I still want to kill him on principle.
Lenore Wed 20:51

Kill the inactive lot tonight. Mingo and Badger should serve good purpose for food and bullets.
Inara Wed 20:51

It's a waste of a seer check, imho.
JubalEarly Wed 20:51

whaaat
Lenore Wed 20:51

whaaaaaaat
DrCaron Wed 20:52

the dismissive response to me saying it was a weird claim is what annoyed me the most. not the best reason to try and lynch someone, but i'm a little bitter
Inara Wed 20:55

Heh, so I guess we're lynching Saffron.
Lenore Wed 20:55

I wonder if Ms. Understandable is a good shot for the militias tonight.
Inara Wed 20:55

Literally half the village is a good shot.
JubalEarly Wed 20:55

patience?
Lenore Wed 20:55

Patience, yes.
JubalEarly Wed 20:55

I mean I'd understand it if I were her
Wed 20:55

she's done nothing
Lenore Wed 20:55

I understand.
Wed 20:55

:p
JubalEarly Wed 20:56

also idk if militia's really need to use their shot yet
Wed 20:56

militias*
Inara Wed 20:56

some people keep talking about a refresh.
JubalEarly Wed 20:56

ya but like on Sunday
Lenore Wed 20:56

N4... they get their recharge on D7, so it's not too early either. :/
Wed 20:57

Unless you suggest they could take a shot on the next night with better targets.
Wed 20:57

N6 would be too rushed though.
JubalEarly Wed 20:57

I'd imagine the longer we wait the more likely we are to find better targets
Lenore Wed 20:57

Hmm, true.
JubalEarly Wed 20:57

if Sheriff/Niska are confirmed evil we can at least save one shot for tomorrow night
Inara Wed 20:57

Or more likely we are to lose our militias.
JubalEarly Wed 20:58

we're gonna have to lose some roles
Lenore Wed 20:58

Well, we could have the militias stagger their shots.
JubalEarly Wed 20:58

I'd think militia aren't the top priority
Wed 20:58

how many have even claimed though?
Lenore Wed 20:58

OOne shoots on N5 and the other on N6.
JubalEarly Wed 20:58

just MrU?
Lenore Wed 20:58

Or one shoots tonight, and the other on N5.
JubalEarly Wed 20:58

which is the other one?
Lenore Wed 20:59

Just him. But I'm certain he can't be the only militia.
Wed 20:59

One militia in a vamp game?
JubalEarly Wed 20:59

other militias could have been recruited
Moderator Wed 20:59

Darkness consumes the land...
Inara Wed 20:59

Maybe all the others became familiars?
Operative Wed 20:59

Can we at least balance jeeze
Simon Wed 20:59

Revive Lawrence
Lenore Wed 20:59

A bit unlikely with the recent drunk conversions.
JubalEarly Wed 20:59

or Kaylee
Inara Wed 21:00

Not Kaylee.
JubalEarly Wed 21:00

whyyy
Lynched Wed 21:00

Saffron was lynched by the village
Moderator Thu 09:00

The sun begins to rise...
Killed Thu 09:00

Patience was killed during the night
Killed Thu 09:00

Inara was killed during the night
Killed Thu 09:00

Mingo was killed during the night
Killed Thu 09:00

Lenore was killed during the night

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