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Replay
You are viewing day 9 of a game of werewolves that started on the 16-Oct-17 Mon on a 24 hour cycle (12 hour days, 12 hour nights).
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Moderator
Mon 20:04
Village Victory!
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Hound
Mon 20:04
so i was right :o
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Arya
Mon 20:04
SO MUCH HOWLING
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Hound
Mon 20:04
awoooooooo
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Mountain
Mon 20:04
Wait, what?
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Cersei
Mon 20:05
well done by everyone
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Olenna
Mon 20:05
how did coven win]
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Moderator
Mon 20:05
ok NONE OF THAT IS RIGHT
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Olenna
Mon 20:05
thanks mod
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Cersei
Mon 20:05
Storm OMG
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Arya
Mon 20:05
IT WAS STORM
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Mountain
Mon 20:05
Damn it Mark, you had ONE JOB! :-P
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Arya
Mon 20:05
HE WASN'T ON MY SIGN UP SCREENSHOT
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Moderator
Mon 20:05
I had SEVERAL jobs :p
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Arya
Mon 20:05
Storm how are you so good
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Oberyn
Mon 20:05
WHY DID HODOR NOT KILL OLENNA?! :|
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Hound
Mon 20:05
that was my second guess
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Drogon
Mon 20:05
Oh man ned was militia!!!
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Arya
Mon 20:05
You know EVERYTHING. I bet you look at the code ;((
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Hound
Mon 20:05
Angemala and Poopy type so alike
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Cersei
Mon 20:05
Well played everyone
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Arya
Mon 20:05
But Angemala has a certain feel
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Hound
Mon 20:06
who killed me????
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Moderator
Mon 20:06
village win, obviously, will fix for stats etc. wp all. sorry about the 'feature' ;)
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Mon 20:06
XII forfeited in private to me and there was no coming back
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Cersei
Mon 20:06
can I get a "Best Harlot EU" medal? :D I think I was the only harlot
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Mon 20:06
poor ahead
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Mountain
Mon 20:06
Haha, I don't know everything, it was only once it got down to a few people, plus I knew for a fact I was village, so it made the most sense to me.
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Cersei
Mon 20:07
Well my plan would have worked
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Arya
Mon 20:07
Like everything you said was creepily on point xD
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Cersei
Mon 20:07
Well done everyone
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Moderator
Mon 20:07
Vampire killed 2 wolves iirc, village MVP!
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Drogon
Mon 20:07
I got way too lucky with ned
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Arya
Mon 20:07
damn did ariesgirls get Vamp for their first game?!
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Hound
Mon 20:07
yeah we got wiped out
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Moderator
Mon 20:07
lmk what you thought about the setup, gonna eat, gg
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Cersei
Mon 20:07
Also gg to the vamp :)
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Mountain
Mon 20:08
Just because it was the only scenario that made sense to me. We were lucky the wolves were out so early and SS didn't shift.
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Hound
Mon 20:08
loved the seetup
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Cersei
Mon 20:08
I'm amazed we won
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Arya
Mon 20:08
Ohsheeet Olenna was Jarv!!! yo!!!!!!!!!
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Cersei
Mon 20:08
But shoutout to Jim!
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Mon 20:08
LF Cersei team up :Pè
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Ygritte
Mon 20:09
So yeah...that was weird. I'm seeing coven chat the night after I get revived
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Mon 20:09
Me: W
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Cersei
Mon 20:09
yeah thought so
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Mountain
Mon 20:09
To be fair, if Gueuze hadn't been revived as Coven, Aleg wouldn't have been revived and XII would have been lynched, the doubt for Jav started after the second revival
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Cersei
Mon 20:09
I pointed out how you were different the second day
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Olenna
Mon 20:09
phew that was a stressful few days though
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Oberyn
Mon 20:09
Coven could have won :(
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Ygritte
Mon 20:09
Me: "well, it's a bug, and i can't unsee what I saw, so I'll just use it as a test of my powers of persuasion"
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Olenna
Mon 20:09
yoyo enna
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Cersei
Mon 20:10
Sorry Jav four dobuting you, but it was somestrange stuff going on
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Oberyn
Mon 20:10
anyway, GG all
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Arya
Mon 20:10
Coven losing 2 right up was pretty sad, maybe their buff could be some kind of death evasion? ;((
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Olenna
Mon 20:10
yeah i ultimately dont blame you
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Mountain
Mon 20:10
You did a good job with what you had, XII
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Ygritte
Mon 20:10
Next day: "This is ridiculous, let me message a mod"
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Arya
Mon 20:10
I still wanna see a coven win some day pls
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Cersei
Mon 20:10
Gueze Coven again :D
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Mountain
Mon 20:10
Go into Discord and check out #coven, Mark's had an idea for changing the Witch, would like to hear your input after this game
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Ygritte
Mon 20:10
Mod TLDR: "You're probably a coven"
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Hound
Mon 20:10
losing Bronn was my doing ;D
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Bronn
Mon 20:11
I don't live long
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Mon 20:11
in these games apparently
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Mountain
Mon 20:11
Coven laying low was working out pretty well for them though
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Hound
Mon 20:11
that's okay i died night after
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Cersei
Mon 20:11
HOW did you guys know aboud NED?
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Mon 20:11
like that redirect into kill?
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Oberyn
Mon 20:11
We got lucky
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Cersei
Mon 20:11
holly shit
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Oberyn
Mon 20:11
I truly thought he was a wolf
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Mon 20:11
poor Ahead^^
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Bronn
Mon 20:12
Yeah, I was actively NOT using my power at any point, to prevent being found
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Hound
Mon 20:12
i was going to come out as seer day 3 but y'all killed me
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Mountain
Mon 20:12
Yeah, that messed me up
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Arya
Mon 20:12
borissssss shot me with my own ahead
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Moderator
Mon 20:12
Village Victory!
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Mon 20:12
That's ok, you got to be plenty Seer in the graveyard xD
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Cersei
Mon 20:12
evil borissssss (6 right)
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Olenna
Mon 20:12
im glad you didnt it would have been even worse for me
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Ygritte
Mon 20:12
You can literally see my attitude change from one line of dialogue to the next on day 5 or whatever.
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Hound
Mon 20:13
oh yeah, sorry Gueuze i killed you first night
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Ygritte
Mon 20:13
I got Aissa'd in 70, 72, and 74. It might need a new name.
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Hound
Mon 20:13
you got Aissa'd by Aissa xD
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Arya
Mon 20:13
aissa'd by aissa
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Mon 20:13
xD
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Mountain
Mon 20:13
Gueuzed
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Arya
Mon 20:13
How is that pronounced..........
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Drogon
Mon 20:13
can't believe sssssseer made it that far
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Hound
Mon 20:14
i was wondering that....
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Cersei
Mon 20:14
Thanks all of you for being a super active round. Lifted my spirits
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Mon 20:14
MAKE WW.ES GREAT AGAIN SUCCEEDED!
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Mountain
Mon 20:14
Gweezed, I think :P
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Mountain
Mon 20:14
Without bugs will be even better!
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Cersei
Mon 20:14
I trust you to fix those Storm :)
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Drogon
Mon 20:14
the bugs add character
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Mountain
Mon 20:15
It's a feature ;)
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Arya
Mon 20:15
To quote Tofu; "Will the madness ever end"
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Cersei
Mon 20:15
I could have maybe won a round with it
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Oberyn
Mon 20:15
I think that bug is pretty cool
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Mon 20:15
should be permanent
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Cersei
Mon 20:15
yeah keep it
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Mon 20:15
as a feature
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Hound
Mon 20:15
proves we've never revived non-coven before
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Ygritte
Mon 20:15
We were actually kind of hoping that both LF and Olenna would visit me, I think it would have sold Olenna as succubus
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Cersei
Mon 20:15
can confirm
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Mon 20:15
we never did
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Oberyn
Mon 20:15
I witch-potioned the SS
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Cersei
Mon 20:15
how did you decide to revive her?
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Hound
Mon 20:16
good shot XII
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Mountain
Mon 20:16
Was it just to hide the Coven?
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Mon 20:16
Since she'd been confirmed?
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Mon 20:16
I wanted to claim 2nd reviver
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Mon 20:16
didn't expect Mountain to also be one
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Mountain
Mon 20:17
Yeah, if it hadn't revealed two of us had done it things could have gone quite differently
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Cersei
Mon 20:17
well would have worked without jav
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Oberyn
Mon 20:17
but losing Djinn and Witch in the same night sucked
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Cersei
Mon 20:17
so who killed whom?
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Oberyn
Mon 20:17
I killed Tormund
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Drogon
Mon 20:17
I killed arya
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Oberyn
Mon 20:17
Drogon redirected Ned to Arya
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Cersei
Mon 20:17
poor wolves, they couldn't do shit :D
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Oberyn
Mon 20:17
Yara killed Hound
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Arya
Mon 20:17
Coven wiped out the wolves....
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Ygritte
Mon 20:17
What's funny is that even knowing what I knew, the "Hodor is a vampire" thing surprised the hell out of me
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Arya
Mon 20:18
Oh man Meth you screwed your own Repli over xD
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Oberyn
Mon 20:18
I just don't get why Hodor didn't kill Olenna :(
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Arya
Mon 20:18
I think he said something about wishing he had
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Cersei
Mon 20:18
yeah I totally killed him, and I knew it was him when he defended himself :(
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Olenna
Mon 20:18
yeah it was coming to him eventually
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Hound
Mon 20:18
i'm sad i got to reprise my BH role and got sniped
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Cersei
Mon 20:19
I was like best harlot EU, omg is this my best buddy? SHIIIT
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Oberyn
Mon 20:19
I kind of contemplated reviving a wolf
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Mon 20:19
but thought that would be really stupid
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Ygritte
Mon 20:19
I like how we (generally speaking) went from liking this game, to hating it, to thinking it's hilarious. I wish I could read dead chat.
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Drogon
Mon 20:20
a coven wolf
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Hound
Mon 20:20
how were you sure who was wolf?
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Arya
Mon 20:20
this one needs to be Replayed with dead chat xD
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Mon 20:20
we were just as confused
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Hound
Mon 20:20
dead chat was amazing
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Mountain
Mon 20:20
I bet the Coven chat when you announced yourself was pretty interesting too :P
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Oberyn
Mon 20:20
we need Vemeth's salt-mine reader
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Cersei
Mon 20:20
Already trying to bribe Mod
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Arya
Mon 20:20
Bronn was hilariously secretive, Hound was The Seer 4eva, nobody knew lies from truth at all xD
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Hound
Mon 20:20
i had to try
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Mon 20:21
i could have been revived any moment
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Arya
Mon 20:21
Reviving a wolf woulda been fab cause you'd get to puppet them
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Cersei
Mon 20:21
WHY do I think tofu is a wolf almost every game
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Oberyn
Mon 20:21
but they'd get killed pretty quickly
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Drogon
Mon 20:21
if they weren't lynched straight away
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Arya
Mon 20:21
He's naturally sketchy, irl too
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Mon 20:21
and with my luck, I'd have revived the BH
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Mon 20:21
most. useless. wolf. ever.
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Mon 20:21
:D
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Mon 20:21
awww
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Cersei
Mon 20:22
not in this scenario
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Mon 20:22
XII reviving Aissa, another bromance
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Oberyn
Mon 20:22
Lynched Drogon was lynched by the village Ygritte (to the Coven) Sat 22:01 I was hoping you were going to show up and vote for Olenna Oberyn (to the Coven) Sat 22:03 oh wait what Sat 22:03 YOU ARE COVEN? o_0 Ygritte (to the Coven) Sat 22:03 Yeah, surprise
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Mon 20:22
oh, uh
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Hound
Mon 20:22
would have been prefect
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Mon 20:22
perfect
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Cersei
Mon 20:22
Storm can I bribe you for the replay, Mod is away
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Drogon
Mon 20:22
damn i'm sad I missed that reveal
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Arya
Mon 20:22
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5UXEeZInnw
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Cersei
Mon 20:23
reminder: NEED TO IMPLEMENT COVEN into the saltmine reader :D
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Ygritte
Mon 20:23
When I said what Oberyn quoted, I forgot I'd already voted for Olenna. I was busy yesterday and mobile so I thought it had bugged out. I thought my vote was still on Yar
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Mon 20:23
Yara
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Arya
Mon 20:23
w8, the saltmine reader is made by you?
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Hound
Mon 20:23
i love that reader
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Bronn
Mon 20:23
@enna, that link is far too relevant
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Arya
Mon 20:23
Where is game 32 </3
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Bronn
Mon 20:23
the episode title?!
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Cersei
Mon 20:23
it's on a .ch domain
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Mon 20:23
who else could it be :D
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Mountain
Mon 20:23
Give Mark a chance to fix the data first
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WindowsBob
Mon 20:23
INTRIGUING STUFF
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Mon 20:24
@enna yes the saltmine reader is my doing. Opened pandora's box
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Arya
Mon 20:24
Heheheh...
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Ygritte
Mon 20:24
If this went on until tomorrow I was going to point out that I couldn't be a witch, because I would have killed someone
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Cersei
Mon 20:25
well it didn't make sense
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Mon 20:25
I mean Olenna couldn't explain her version
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Ygritte
Mon 20:25
Nothing could have possibly made sense, which is why I was going to argue the way I did
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Cersei
Mon 20:25
that's why I wanted to go the "let'^s play this anouther 4 days" route
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Mountain
Mon 20:25
Yeah, I couldn't explain it, hence my weird theories yesterday
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Cersei
Mon 20:25
I'm so sad rob died that early
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Mon 20:26
I mean I watched him :D
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Mon 20:26
because I like his arguments
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Hound
Mon 20:26
who is rob?
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Oberyn
Mon 20:26
Anderson
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Hound
Mon 20:26
oh you mean 4ndy?
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Ygritte
Mon 20:26
Imagine it from my POV: "Haha, let's rediredt Ygritte on to Yara"
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Mon 20:27
GOOD LUCK WITH THAT SHIT
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Ygritte
Mon 20:27
oh wait
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Mon 20:27
I'm having as great time right now.
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Arya
Mon 20:27
I really wanted to see how 4ndy plays ww too
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Ned
Mon 20:27
yo yo yoooooooo
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Mon 20:27
[sad face emoji]
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Hound
Mon 20:27
yo yo yooooo !!!!!
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Ned
Mon 20:27
i! was! militia!
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Drogon
Mon 20:27
im sorry :'(
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Cersei
Mon 20:27
hey aherad
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Cersei
Mon 20:28
I'm sorry :)
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Cersei
Mon 20:28
but I didn't think coven would luck out that hard
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Mon 20:28
SORRY
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Arya
Mon 20:28
but...you tried to kill Tofu the GD ;)
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Ned
Mon 20:28
neither did i tbh
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Mon 20:28
hey he was sketch
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Mountain
Mon 20:28
I think I suggested a potential redirect, but even I didn't believe it
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Ygritte
Mon 20:28
I'm kind of sorry, but at the same time, "ur all foolz" is not the best defense for you going forward
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Ned
Mon 20:28
lmao hey i didnt have that "z"
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Cersei
Mon 20:28
do you feel better ahead?
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Ned
Mon 20:28
and i knew you wouldnt believe me anyways
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Mon 20:29
ehhh i guess so
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Cersei
Mon 20:29
and then viserys gets killed too.
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Mon 20:29
I mean this is such a bad spot for you
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Ygritte
Mon 20:29
And bear in mind, that was before I saw coven chat, so I legit thought I was still a village reviver
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Hound
Mon 20:29
i was going to kill Viserys first
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Ned
Mon 20:29
i know !! i was like omg is cersei a fake what is this
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Cersei
Mon 20:29
I can't be fake
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Mon 20:29
I'm best harlot EU
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Arya
Mon 20:29
Coven chaos <3
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Ned
Mon 20:30
oh coven u beautiful troublemakers
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Cersei
Mon 20:30
I was so afraid Littlefinger guessed my visit
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Mon 20:30
that would have been a sick play
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Ned
Mon 20:30
that rly wouldve been
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Mountain
Mon 20:30
I think even with the bugs this game turned out pretty well
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Cersei
Mon 20:31
but well my check was pretty logical
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Ygritte
Mon 20:31
I must have had the most fun this game
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Cersei
Mon 20:31
in the aftermath I LOVED it
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Mon 20:31
during the game, when Olenna came with coven 30min before nightfall, I was salty as f*
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Arya
Mon 20:31
I wanted to talk to you about stuff soooo baddd aaaaaaaaaaa
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Cersei
Mon 20:31
yeah I know :D
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Ygritte
Mon 20:31
Me too! Bear in mind, when Olenna said that, I thought I was village.
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Mon 20:32
man, I can't imagine your face
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Arya
Mon 20:32
Do you end as Village or Coven then??
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Cersei
Mon 20:32
when you see fucking purple chat
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Mon 20:32
I think Gueze should get a win :P
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Mon 20:32
I missed an u somewhere^^
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Mountain
Mon 20:33
I always have to double-check the spelling on Gueuze, I tend to add an e
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Cersei
Mon 20:33
I was coven with him before :D
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Mon 20:33
poor guy even coven when not coven!
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Ygritte
Mon 20:33
I was so confused I went to my wife and I was trying to explain this whole thing to her. I mean, she has played some board games and she gets the idea, but I couldn't make her understand how weird it was that I was seeing coven chat.
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Mountain
Mon 20:33
Haha, nice.
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Arya
Mon 20:34
Invite her here !
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Ygritte
Mon 20:34
Not her thing, unfortunately
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Cersei
Mon 20:34
and if you ever join discord, you get a coven tag XD
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Arya
Mon 20:34
Sharing the ww feels is important
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Mon 20:34
He did join... I think he's stuck in the void
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Mon 20:34
HE'S STUCK IN THE VOICE TWICE
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Mon 20:34
VOID*
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Drogon
Mon 20:34
the secret coven were being secretly watched
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Mountain
Mon 20:35
Gueuze, sign in on Discord and I'll sort that out
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Ygritte
Mon 20:36
So yeah...I won't give anything away past 74, but up until now I've played like a dozen games. never been WW, but I've been coven twice and milita three times. That's nearly impossible.
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Cersei
Mon 20:36
I enjoyed the coven time with you, you're very smart
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Mon 20:36
you found the wolves :D
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Ygritte
Mon 20:36
aww thanks
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Cersei
Mon 20:36
while town didn't
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Mon 20:36
:P
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Mountain
Mon 20:37
Yeah, I missed a couple of days and all the wolves were basically dealt with
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Hound
Mon 20:37
dealt with" :'
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Cersei
Mon 20:39
I'm sorry for the rimes :D
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Kirschstein
Mon 20:39
dead chat was hilarious, there was another game going on, of deceit and lies, all in case of revive
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Mon 20:40
it was great to watch :D
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Ygritte
Mon 20:40
put it on the blog
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Hound
Mon 20:40
glad you enjoyed it Kirsty
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Ygritte
Mon 20:40
I want to read it
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Mountain
Mon 20:40
I'm gonna have to read through this game with all the hidden chat on, I think...
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Hound
Mon 20:40
it's sooo worth it
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Ygritte
Mon 20:40
I mean, other than Oby, the coven didn't know I was coven
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Kirschstein
Mon 20:41
yeah... that was funny :D
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Ygritte
Mon 20:41
Yara was probably REALLY confused
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Mountain
Mon 20:41
Yeah, I bet the dead chat were as confused as we were about that
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Mountain
Mon 20:41
Since we didn't know exactly how many roles were in the game
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Hound
Mon 20:41
couldn't figure it out
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Mountain
Mon 20:42
How did people feel about hidden roles now the game has finished?
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Arya
Mon 20:42
I loved it
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Arya
Mon 20:43
Real mystery, and we all had roles so that was fun. Just bad luck for the enemy teams I guess, wolves especially had no chance to pull any crazy moves
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Mon 20:43
But I suppose that's all luck
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Mon 20:43
Maybe 4 woulda been better for them
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Hound
Mon 20:43
i think 3 was fine
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Mon 20:43
it was just reallllly bad luck
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Kirschstein
Mon 20:43
my test for this was "how does the coven fair with 1 extra than wolves"
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Mon 20:43
so they ended up with 2 extra
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Mountain
Mon 20:43
Yeah, I think it was bad luck that cost the wolves
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Arya
Mon 20:44
The night deaths going from 1...to 3... to 4... xD that was tooooo hilarious
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Kirschstein
Mon 20:44
I think Coven under Cover had a good chance as well
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Mon 20:44
some of the nights were just too brutal though
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Ygritte
Mon 20:44
I think it adds to the fun that for a day and a half I didn't know what I was. I don't see how you can recreate that.
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Kirschstein
Mon 20:44
yes - probably won't try to either ;)
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Mon 20:44
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO SHIT SON!
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Mon 20:44
BSG mechanic
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Oberyn
Mon 20:45
Battlestar Galactica
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Kirschstein
Mon 20:45
Battle Star Galatica - it's a board game where half way through you might swap sides
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Arya
Mon 20:45
BSG theme pls
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Kirschstein
Mon 20:45
enna, you know the rule
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Hound
Mon 20:45
interestiiing
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Ygritte
Mon 20:45
The difference between this and BSG is that in BSG everyone knows there's a chance at change in loyalty
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Kirschstein
Mon 20:45
true
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Mountain
Mon 20:46
Though if people know there's a role that does that, people will know that
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Cersei
Mon 20:46
lol I watched a bsg stream this weekend
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Mon 20:46
anyone up for playing BSG in TTS?
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Kirschstein
Mon 20:46
yeah this game was a tough call to make
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Arya
Mon 20:46
Town of Salem's vampire bite instead of kill, to bring people to their side
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Ygritte
Mon 20:46
I didn't mean that as a complaint...this was fun
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Kirschstein
Mon 20:46
do I announce the bug exists? That's pretty much calling our Ygritte
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Arya
Mon 20:46
I'll play anything n everything Meth!!!
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Kirschstein
Mon 20:46
I wanted to get on early and PM Olenna before she spoke with real info
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Mon 20:47
Damn new job!
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Ygritte
Mon 20:47
I probably had more fun than anyone, so I can't complain
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Kirschstein
Mon 20:47
new (old) job.
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Cersei
Mon 20:47
has anyone played BSG before?
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Ygritte
Mon 20:47
BSG is my favorite board game, so yes
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Mountain
Mon 20:47
Despite owning it we've only played once, need to play again
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Cersei
Mon 20:47
you can play it in TTS
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Mon 20:47
EZ
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Mon 20:48
and we need another secret hitler round
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Mon 20:48
so I can get stomped again by RON
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Mon 20:48
*Rob
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Mountain
Mon 20:48
I'd be up for that one evening
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Mon 20:48
Either, actually
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Cersei
Mon 20:50
I sent out some highlights in discord. I think when we are 4-5 we can play bsg, whats minimum for bsg?
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Littlefinger
Mon 21:06
lmfao
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Mon 21:07
glad it's over, and glad we were on the completely right track untill the bugs threw the game off.
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Mon 21:08
what happened about ygritte being redirected though?
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Olenna
Mon 21:08
was a lie
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Littlefinger
Mon 21:08
but why
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Olenna
Mon 21:08
to try and get me
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Littlefinger
Mon 21:08
i was so lucky to stalk arya day one
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Olenna
Mon 21:08
as succubus
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Littlefinger
Mon 21:09
due to poisoned dead chat?
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Olenna
Mon 21:11
nono just fair game trying to kill me
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Ygritte
Mon 21:12
Yeah. I revived Yara, but was trying to say Olenna made me do it
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Littlefinger
Mon 21:12
why though?
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Ygritte
Mon 21:12
I think it's technically possible to do what I was claiming/going to claim
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Littlefinger
Mon 21:14
so as a villager you wanted us to loose?
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Ygritte
Mon 21:14
At that point I wasn't villager
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Mon 21:14
I was a villager, then I wasn't
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Littlefinger
Mon 21:14
ah you had been turned into coven
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Littlefinger
Mon 21:15
i was wondering why you were so unsure about stuff. you were getting quite high on the kill list for it too
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Ygritte
Mon 21:16
oddly I knew more than you did, but at first I was trying to use it to get you to kill suspected coven
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Mon 21:16
then I swapped sides
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Mon 21:16
so yeah...my arguments probably look weird
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Littlefinger
Mon 21:17
very :)
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Mon 21:17
i know to be more weary of revived people now
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Ygritte
Mon 21:19
It all came down to Olenna's choice on the night I revived Yara. IF Olenna visited me, and IF Littlefinger stalked her, and IF Cersei visited me, then I think we could have sold Olenna as succubus. Big gamble, but it was all we had.
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Mountain
Mon 21:30
We'll fix the revival thing, but I think we'll be changing the Witch to move away from revivals, as per the discussion in #coven
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Hodor
Mon 22:23
It's already finished? Such a long game...
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Mon 22:23
^Oberyn, I know, should've killed olenna :(( I also regret for not doing that
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Mon 22:58
Didnt realize that I was the last killing role alive
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Arya
Mon 23:45
I don't think anybody did ^^;
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Hodor
Mon 23:58
Still need to learn a lot ^-^
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Tormund
Tue 00:19
end finally
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Jamie
Tue 02:37
GG mod <3
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Cersei
Tue 08:58
poor Khang
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Jamie
Tue 10:48
It's okay, at least i was useful ;-;
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Tue 10:53
Hodor had the balls to kill me tho, why are you so scare of killing someone like Olenna!
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Hodor
Tue 14:06
I thought she's faking claim herself as seer... since she came up with theory of coven roles
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Tue 14:06
Never thought she'd exposed me though
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