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Electrolysis Sat 09:12

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Sat 09:12

Walsh was a Shadowwolf
Moderator Sat 09:13

Electrolysis votes to lynch BowlOfDicks
KirschSetup Sat 09:32

hey guys i got blocked last night so i have no chek today
Sat 09:32

electro why did you dig walsh he died so long time ago
Electrolysis Sat 09:39

I was asked to dig someone whose role was not publicly stated, so I did
KirschSetup Sat 09:40

okay i may missed that
Sat 09:41

so shadow wolf is a new role woow
Sat 09:49

why would village role block a gravedigger i do not understand
Electrolysis Sat 09:53

Because they are not village
Sat 09:53

ASV, Wheel, BoD, UnfamiliarGuy, all undeads
KirschSetup Sat 09:54

yeah i will vote for bowl and they should give a good reason for blocking me
Moderator Sat 09:55

KirschSetup votes to lynch BowlOfDicks
Electrolysis Sat 11:12

@Everyone please vote BowlOfDicks - he is definitly evil, as he claims to have blocked me. - If that is not enough, look at his actions yesterday evening and the correlation with ASV's voting behaviour
KirschSetup Sat 11:20

wait but I actually did get a block so it is real
BowlOfDicks Sat 11:20

oh here we go, i knew this was coming, you're annoyed i outed you as a vampire and you're doing anything you can to try discredit me. i did block you twice yet you acted as though you hadn't been blocked, so you're clearly a vampire (or succubus, but that doesn't seem likely) and i did block kirschsetup last night as i think he is either a familiar for you or undead
Sat 11:21

i've stated all of this multiple times, but just because i agree with something doesn't mean i'm part of their faction
KirschSetup Sat 11:21

no i am a real gravedigger for village but i do believe you now
Electrolysis Sat 11:21

@Kirschstein I think he steals dead player's abilities
Sat 11:22

His whole faction has been attacking me for days
KirschSetup Sat 11:22

so then we should lynch electro if he is vampire
BowlOfDicks Sat 11:22

every faction has accused me of attacking them, the undead have, then the coven, now the vampires
Electrolysis Sat 11:22

no, the undead haven't
Sat 11:23

or are you a wolf?
BowlOfDicks Sat 11:23

i'm not going over this with you again, we're going in circles and there's no point discussing it with you, since you're a vampire and you'll do anything to discredit me
Sat 11:24

kirschsetup, i think so, though i could see an argument for lynching the familiars first so he has nowhere else to go
Sat 11:24

unless we can decide who the familiar is though, lynching the vampire makes sense for now
Moderator Sat 11:24

BowlOfDicks votes to lynch Electrolysis
BowlOfDicks Sat 11:24

once we have cleared out the vampires we can focus on the undead and coven, in that order or priority
Electrolysis Sat 11:25

Where have the undead attacked you?
BowlOfDicks Sat 11:25

i've been accused by almost everyone of being a wolf, asv was insistent i was a direwolf
Electrolysis Sat 11:26

You are very inconsistent with you order, yesterday you chose coven over any other faction
Sat 11:26

quote pls
BowlOfDicks Sat 11:26

did you even read yesterday?
Electrolysis Sat 11:26

stop rethorics
BowlOfDicks Sat 11:26

i stated multiple times why i thought in that particular circumstance, lynching a witch was a higher priority
Electrolysis Sat 11:26

just quit it all together, either you provide a quote or it didn't happen
BowlOfDicks Sat 11:29

i'm not trawling through the multiple days of chat for you, i'm not here to convince you of anything. if kirschsetup or anyone else wants me to dig quotes up then i would consider it, but there's no point engaging you further electro
Electrolysis Sat 11:29

then it didn't happen.
BowlOfDicks Sat 11:29

sure, whatever you say electro
Sat 11:32

i'll be back later when there are others on, as discussed yesterday, i think villager or electro should be our lynch today and the other one the day after, then we can alternate between undead and coven to prevent one faction gaining the numbers over the other
Sat 11:34

kirschsetup, if you aren't a familiar, i suggest you vote for one of those too
Electrolysis Sat 11:40

@Kirschsetup in case you don't see it right now, you're going to be their next victim
Sat 11:43

BowlOfDicks was one of the players who kept Armored from reviving StormSetup, who truly was the village's best shot at turning this game around
Sat 11:45

together with Wheel and ASV who shifted votes at the end of the day - both confessed undeads
Sat 11:46

they claimed that they had lost and just wanted the village to win, yet they didn't allow the revive to happen - Armored was accessed as trustworthy by the village, but the undead were afraif
Sat 11:47

ASV and Wheel keep claiming that they can't win and just want the best for the village - but yesterday gave them away: If they were truly rooting for the village, they would've let the revive happen
Sat 11:47

But they are not the defeated faction they are pretending to be - they are strong than they appear
Sat 11:49

We know of 2 confirmed undeads, of which one (WHeel) yet has to give their intel (another sign that they don't intend to cooperate with the village), And going off of voting behaviour yesterday, it is apparent that BowlOfDicks is an undead too.
Sat 11:52

When I mean BoD's voting behaviour I mean this: 1. asv votes Armroed 2. BoD votes armored too 3. BoD engages in an 1h long argument without changing his opinion 4. ASV shows up and switches his votes to Villager 5. BoD switches to Villager only minutes later 6. Wheel shows up, screams 7. ASV switches back to Armored 8.BowlOfDicks switches back to Armored
Sat 11:52

If I didn't know better, I'd think he's a puppet
Sat 11:54

And last but not least UnfamiliarGuy, who was 1. inactive for 2 days 2. showed up at the end of d11 and saved ASV by voting soslowww without saying a word and dissappears on d12 again. I highly doubt that he would've done that if he was not in the same team as ASV
Sat 11:56

We can be pretty sure that UnfamiliarGuy isn't himself anymore, and I think the most likely cause is that he was shifted - and given his behaviour towards ASV, it was most likely the undead who shifted him
Sat 11:57

All undeads accuse me to be vamp as crazy - but did anyone consider what happens when the undead get their roles refreshed n14?
Sat 11:57

At least we know now what we're talking about when we talk about the undead
KirschSetup Sat 12:07

i trust bowlofdicks at this moment but do not block me anymore
Moderator Sat 12:07

KirschSetup votes to lynch Electrolysis
Moderator Sat 12:20

I have revived Hatass, as they did vote yesterday and should not have been smited.
Moderator Sat 12:20

HatAss votes to lynch Villager
Moderator Sat 12:20

^ Mod auto ASV.
Electrolysis Sat 12:23

NOoooo don't KirschSetup
Sat 12:24

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Sat 12:24

ok, this has to happen now
Sat 12:24

I am Vampire
Sat 12:24

I have no hope or ambition left to win this game
Sat 12:25

My Familiars were / are Electrolysis, NotCoven, Sosloww and Villager
Sat 12:26

I offer you villagers to kill Undeads for you - as I truly despise them
Sat 12:27

First of all, I don't like fake confession games - either you confess and are out, or you shut up. ASV and Wheel promised to help the village and backstabbed them yesterday, when the village had a real shot at winning - showing that they never wanted the village to win
Sat 12:28

They've had their fun meddling in the open, now I'll have mine
Sat 12:30

I WANT TO MAKE ABSOLUTELY CLEAR that I harbor no ambition of winning this game - I have confessed, I shouldn't win. Moreover, you know all my Familiars and you know that there can't be more than 4, as the VM only got one refresh, like the mason
Sat 12:31

HOWEVER I DO NOT want to see the undeads winning this game, after what they've yesterday to Armored - they toyed around when they didn't have to, and openly lied
Sat 12:31

LET ME TELL YOU WHY I AM TRUSTWORTHY:
Sat 12:31

1. I truly care about the meta game
Sat 12:32

I want the undead to regret waging open war against the vampire and profiteering off of our suffering
Sat 12:33

I don't like fake confessions
Sat 12:35

I want that if someone gives their word, they should have to stick to it: I am giving my word that I will kill undeads if I get to live. Undead gave their word to help the village, and betrayed it - they need to be punished for that
Sat 12:35

After all, the village should also want that evils who betray the village get away unpunished
Sat 12:36

And last but not least, I don't want a lurker to win - and UnfamiliarGuy is clearly one; If we don't do anything about it, it wont change
Sat 12:38

I honestly want to help you villagers, and I believe that you want my help - I am more trustworthy than the undead, since my strength is clear, I didn't betray the vilage and have good reasons to not do so
Sat 12:38
Sat 12:39

One last reason for me to root for the village, is the inquisition - I think NC still secretly wants to see you guys win - and I hope that hereby I can ensire that not all of my team completely lose
Sat 12:39
Sat 12:41

CONSIDER CAREFULLY AND DON'T LET ASV, WHEEL, BOD and UG guide your decision. We know that they're going to scream a lot, they will say that I am not trustworthy - but remember, I'm about to ruin their faction
Sat 12:42
Sat 12:42

If you villagers are outnumbered - do you really want to lynch the only person who can turn around by killing evils for you?
Sat 13:40
Sat 13:40

The village's inactivity worries me
Shaned Sat 14:31

Well that's a turnaround
Sat 14:32

Sorry about my inactivity this game.
Sat 14:32

Coven aren't a problem as I can rid them. But the vamps are.
Sat 14:32

So electro 'confessed' now
Sat 14:33

fucking hell was this town setup in a church? Where's the fucking priest?
Electrolysis Sat 14:35

hmmm
Sat 14:35

Can you get rid of the undeads?
Moderator Sat 14:42

ChangeOfHeart votes to lynch ASV
ChangeOfHeart Sat 14:42

i thought we were lynching villager yesterday what happened guys
WheelProtoform Sat 14:43

Never let a coven revive
ChangeOfHeart Sat 14:43

you have been against the coven all game wheel bcos of ext-100 but you need to realise there are bigger problems than coven with undead and vampires
Electrolysis Sat 14:44

@ChangeOfHeart if we want to lynch the undead, we should focus on creating a single pile
ChangeOfHeart Sat 14:44

well i guess you don't worry about undead
Electrolysis Sat 14:44

lol
WheelProtoform Sat 14:44

look
Sat 14:44

No gimme a moment to explain
ChangeOfHeart Sat 14:44

but 1 coven even a witch has no chance against any thing
WheelProtoform Sat 14:44

a coven witch is +3 in power
Sat 14:45

a vamp is +1
Sat 14:45

If a coven revives a coven and kills someone you got +1 for coven from the revive, you get -1 for village for the kill, and you need to spend another lynch to get rid of it.
ChangeOfHeart Sat 14:45

i don't agree
WheelProtoform Sat 14:46

so a coven is -3 for village, a vamp one more night is -1
ChangeOfHeart Sat 14:46

that assumes the witch kills a villager and revives a coven but because the witch needs to kill the other evils to win to i think han would have done what we asked
WheelProtoform Sat 14:46

Witch can't kill vamp.-
ASV Sat 14:46

Morning all. Electro's attmpted dig this morning was amusing. (GY was surprised at the "ShadowWolf" claim - B12, Walsh and Kang all had a laugh at that).
ChangeOfHeart Sat 14:46

you need to stop living in the past wheel
Electrolysis Sat 14:46

Wheel, that is not the fucking point there - the village was clearly of the opinion that it was best to let the witch revive, and you didn't support the village
ChangeOfHeart Sat 14:47

let ext-100 go
ASV Sat 14:47

Good to see that he actually confssed anyway. There was interesting response in the GY. I think a combination of amusement and displeasure.
WheelProtoform Sat 14:47

so it's a minus -4 if you see it that way
Electrolysis Sat 14:47

Because the village interest conflicted yours
ASV Sat 14:47

I have some messages from the GY from last night aswell. Armored says "It's ok landfill. I thank you from the bottom of my heart" and Spud says to the coven "Told you this would happen, you should have listened"
Sat 14:47

NotCoven said something about saying sorry to landfil for being a shitty husband, told shaned to behave, and apologised for the dog.
WheelProtoform Sat 14:47

Math has nothing to do with ext-100
Sat 14:47

it's math
ASV Sat 14:47

Anyway, to directly address Electro. I was ready to accept Armored's proposition yesterday, but I was sure there was a catch that I just couldn't place what it was.
Sat 14:47

There's no way a coven would actually end up reviving a non-coven, that's anti-faction and throwing the game, and I refused to believe such a good player like Armored would actually do that and betray her faction.
Sat 14:47

I still think I made the right change of vote last night (no matter how painful it was to watch Armored's response) and that it was in the village best interest to NOT let her live.
Electrolysis Sat 14:48

FOR THE RECORD, these are the undead that I would kill
WheelProtoform Sat 14:48

CoH please tell me why Armored whould have done what she said she would?
ChangeOfHeart Sat 14:48

wheel because i think he just wanted to be alive and not dead
WheelProtoform Sat 14:49

heartwarming
Sat 14:49

but I see no logic behind it
Sat 14:49

My math is sound
ASV Sat 14:49

NotCoven: your message was too long, I'm trying to avoid copy/paste for game-related reasons, that's as good a tl;dr of it that I could give. I'll add that you also said "sorry vamperinos" or so as well.
Electrolysis Sat 14:49

ASV, when have you turned into a custodian for the village? tat you know better whats good for the vilage than the village itself?
Sat 14:49

I would be majorly pissed as village
ChangeOfHeart Sat 14:49

evils always want village to win if they know their team can't
Sat 14:49

you never pass the game over to another evil faction
Sat 14:49

it's just not done
Electrolysis Sat 14:49

yes!
Sat 14:50

that's what I'm trying to do here
ChangeOfHeart Sat 14:50

so given the choice of village or undead or vampire or wolves he would have chosen village
ASV Sat 14:50

Electrolysis: I voted how I felt was best for the the village. If my faction can't win then I'm sure as hell not gonna let the others win either.
Electrolysis Sat 14:50

But ASV and Wheel haven't lost yet
WheelProtoform Sat 14:50

we have
ChangeOfHeart Sat 14:50

i think there are more undead left than asv and wheel want to admit
Electrolysis Sat 14:50

ASV, i don't need to reply the vilage can judge for itself
ChangeOfHeart Sat 14:50

or is this really a game of 2 vms now??
ASV Sat 14:51

There are enough villagers around that we've lost by being out in the open.
WheelProtoform Sat 14:51

Coven is -3-4 power shift. If you wanna disprove that, please elaborate.
Electrolysis Sat 14:51

honestly, you two are paingully obvious
Sat 14:51

Wheel, no one is listening to you absolute bullshit math
Sat 14:52

@CoH I wrote it in the morning, I'm 90%+ sure that BowlOfDIck and UnfamiliarGuy are fams too
Sat 14:52

the kill rate doesn't fit for a second vamp, and there're not much places whre they could hide
Sat 14:53

eh
ChangeOfHeart Sat 14:53

electro did you kill solo last night?
Electrolysis Sat 14:53

I mean that they are undead too
Sat 14:53

yes
ASV Sat 14:53

@Electrolysis Good job I don't care for if you want a response from me or not.
ChangeOfHeart Sat 14:53

so that means if there is another vm they aren't killing?
Electrolysis Sat 14:53

ok
Sat 14:53

I can't convince you to let me kill you anyway, I'm not that good
ASV Sat 14:54

Also, the math does hold, there's just no way that the coven would revive a non-coven.
ChangeOfHeart Sat 14:54

stop talking about math like it's perfect
Sat 14:54

this is a game of ppl and they do unpredictable thing
Electrolysis Sat 14:54

^^
Sat 14:54

You are oversimplifying your model
ASV Sat 14:55

I'm not saying it's perfect, but they would have revived a coven, it would have been stupid not to.
Sat 14:55

Electro: If you really wanted us dead, why haven't you been killing us at night? You wanted us alive to try and do this BS distraction to get you to D14 so that you can recruit a random person and hide away.
Electrolysis Sat 14:55

the revive was bad for the undead and good for the village; you chose to side against the village
ChangeOfHeart Sat 14:55

asv just because you can't think of a good reason for them to be have doesn't mean there isnt one
Electrolysis Sat 14:56

<3 ^
ChangeOfHeart Sat 14:56

you simplify this game to i wouldn't do it therefor its stupid
ASV Sat 14:56

ChangeOfHeart: I mean, you were also hoping that they revived another coven right? THen there would have been 4 of you today?
ChangeOfHeart Sat 14:57

is that a serious question or were you being rhetorical?
Electrolysis Sat 14:57

There are 4 undeads :)
Sat 14:58

This conversation is pointless, although the undead's panic shows that they think that I'm being honest
ASV Sat 14:59

CoH: reasonably serious, spud seemed geninue enough when he said you were also coven
Sat 15:00

Also, once again, you didn't revive StormSetup ...
ChangeOfHeart Sat 15:00

wtf when did he say i was coven??
Sat 15:00

i told you i tried to revive him yesterday and nothing happened
Sat 15:00

but i didn't have my power tonight
ASV Sat 15:00

Around 11:08 this morning.
Sat 15:01

NotCoven: u so mean :(
ChangeOfHeart Sat 15:01

oh i see
Sat 15:01

convenient no one else can see that though isn't it
Sat 15:01

i think you're making it up
ASV Sat 15:01

ChangeOfHeart: unfortunate is the word I would use, but maybe HatAss will be able to revive someone on D14 to corroborate it
Sat 15:02

N14 even *
Sat 15:02

Alas they didn't say what you were, so I don't know what you're gonna get back on N14 which is unfortunate, but oh well.
ChangeOfHeart Sat 15:02

plus you even said yourself to diggingtime that we cant trust the gy so why would you even believe him after you admitted that you can read gy chat
Electrolysis Sat 15:03

Honestly, you are blatantly stalling to n14, ASV
Sat 15:03

I bet HatAss wouldn't survive so long, or be blocked
Sat 15:04

We yet need to know Unfams + BoD's true abilities
Sat 15:04

Wheel hasn't told us their results
ASV Sat 15:04

Electrolysis: our only one-time-use ability is dead with Harry_1998 I have nothing to gain from N14. You do, you'll be able to recruit again to hide
Electrolysis Sat 15:05

I don't believe you!
ASV Sat 15:05

CoH: Yes, you can't believe everything that comes from the GY, but it's certainly worth bringing most of it up. Obviously people lie and people manipulate. But he seemed genuine, he seemed disheartened after Armor didn't get to live. Maybe he's manipulating me, maybe not.
Electrolysis Sat 15:05

Also, I wouldn't recruit after confessing, to drag down another villager?
Sat 15:05

yeah, I'm not an asshole
ASV Sat 15:07

It would give you a chance of winning, of course you'd do it
ChangeOfHeart Sat 15:08

asv how did sshabasheet swap with lurker?
Electrolysis Sat 15:09

No, I am not trying to win at all cost
Sat 15:09

ASV, how many undeads were there in the beginning?
Sat 15:09

and who were they
ChangeOfHeart Sat 15:10

and what were they?
Sat 15:11

919, wheel, rubin, theserver, sshabas, awien
Sat 15:11

any more?
ASV Sat 15:11

CoH: Harry is a necromancer. As long as he was alive we had a zombie puppet that could move around, but it had to move every other night or it died.
ChangeOfHeart Sat 15:11

that sounds familiar
Sat 15:12

i wonder where i heard that before
ASV Sat 15:12

It started as JezTheBun. We were amused when your puppet Phantom sided with us as an ML.
ChangeOfHeart Sat 15:14

so then it moved from jezebel to lurker who was militia and then from lurker to sshabas who was protector and then ... it died?
ASV Sat 15:15

No, but you know that
Lurker Sat 15:16

Never thought there would be more than 1 bowl of dicks in this
Sat 15:16

I'll get myself smited then ;)
ChangeOfHeart Sat 15:16

know what asv?
Lurker Sat 15:17

Have fun winning! If it matters.
ASV Sat 15:17

Lurker: why would you get yourself smited?
Electrolysis Sat 15:23

What about lynching an undead instead? :P
ChangeOfHeart Sat 15:24

can some one explain wheels ability again
Sat 15:24

i forgot what he can do
Sat 15:25

also asv you never answered the question about who the other undead were
Electrolysis Sat 15:25

eat corpses at night and use their ability if it is an intel role
Sat 15:25

only fresh corpses, that aren't older than 1d or sth
ChangeOfHeart Sat 15:25

so like a repeat gr?
Sat 15:25

oh
Sat 15:25

ok
Electrolysis Sat 15:25

and intel roles only
ChangeOfHeart Sat 15:26

can he get familiar roles?
Electrolysis Sat 15:26

according to wheel, yes
Moderator Sat 15:26

Lurker votes to lynch ASV
Electrolysis Sat 15:26

although wheel has not stated a single result, which makes me doubt the role
WheelProtoform Sat 15:26

I can get all factions roles.
Lurker Sat 15:26

There
WheelProtoform Sat 15:26

u salty Lurker?
Lurker Sat 15:27

At least I'm not the undick
Moderator Sat 15:27

Electrolysis votes to lynch ASV
WheelProtoform Sat 15:27

please explain me what exactly is a dick move?
ASV Sat 15:28

I guess that's the confirmation I needed that CoH is coven if you're now that salty against me
Moderator Sat 15:28

ASV votes to lynch Electrolysis
Electrolysis Sat 15:28

As expected
Lurker Sat 15:28

Hurt people's feeling
WheelProtoform Sat 15:28

I did what I thought was best for the game. What the hell is a dick move about it?
ChangeOfHeart Sat 15:28

what coven role would i even be asv
WheelProtoform Sat 15:28

OK so I can't lynch you because I know you?
Sat 15:29

What stupid BS argument is that?
Lurker Sat 15:29

Sure, do your best
Sat 15:29

win this shit
WheelProtoform Sat 15:29

cry me a river.
Lurker Sat 15:29

I don't care if you goal is to win
WheelProtoform Sat 15:29

We're different factions. How can you be salty I play against you?
Lurker Sat 15:29

It's not my piority
Electrolysis Sat 15:29

this is what winning at all cost looks like
WheelProtoform Sat 15:29

bla bla bla
Sat 15:29

at all cost?
Sat 15:29

I lynched a coven?
Sat 15:29

That's so mean of me
Sat 15:30

wtf is going on here.
Lurker Sat 15:30

Probably get off this.
WheelProtoform Sat 15:31

?
ASV Sat 15:31

@Lurker oh come off it. There was no intention to intentionally hurt people's feelings, that's weak and you know it. Not letting a coven revive is the right move for the village, I'm sorry if that caused any actually offense to people but it really shouldn't.
Electrolysis Sat 15:32

The worst is that you say that you were doing it for the village, when the clearest villagers all wanted the coven revive
WheelProtoform Sat 15:32

I never said that shit.
ASV Sat 15:32

@Armored I appreciate your integrity as a player. I disagree with you that reviving storm would not be game throwing. Maybe you would have done it, and that's good of you, but the village can't take that chance.
WheelProtoform Sat 15:32

Compared to others I never made any promises
Electrolysis Sat 15:33

In a way, village doesn't want your help anymore, oh, and guess what? A vampire is angry at you
WheelProtoform Sat 15:33

I'm not like "you know me guys I promise to play for village" that's what you covies did not me.
Sat 15:33

I don't use promises, I use logic.
ChangeOfHeart Sat 15:34

so can any one tell me what awiems role was?
WheelProtoform Sat 15:34

I didn't come up with the meta card
ASV Sat 15:35

@Armor wants me to give her regards to everyone who believed in her.
WheelProtoform Sat 15:35

You're all losers for trying to "guilt trip" me in a game which is supposed to be played anonymous.
Sat 15:35

In theory I shouldn't know who it is. I didn't insult Armored I just thought it's best for this game for her to get lynched Period.
ChangeOfHeart Sat 15:36

you keep saying her
Sat 15:36

but i thought only ships had genders
WheelProtoform Sat 15:36

yeah I was guilt triupped into it.
Sat 15:36

I'd do the same thing again, because in this very round it was the right decision. And don't tell me you never lynched someone you knew who the person was.
ASV Sat 15:37

CoH: no one has corrected me, apologies if I'm wrong. I can't read who peopel are. it sounds like a her to me.
ChangeOfHeart Sat 15:37

asv idk
WheelProtoform Sat 15:37

But you're dicks for trying to me a dick out of me, playing the game and trying to win in this game.
ChangeOfHeart Sat 15:38

so about awiems role??
WheelProtoform Sat 15:38

*make
Sat 15:38

Armored is a person I respect a lot, but in this game she was a witch, so I lynched her.
Sat 15:40

I'm even of the opinion promises based on meta should not be used in this game.
Sat 15:40

And now I'm super mad at lurker and electro for trying to pull off this meta shit.
ChangeOfHeart Sat 15:40

so maybe we can change the subject
Sat 15:40

to idk
Sat 15:41

lets talk about awiems role?
WheelProtoform Sat 15:41

yeah when they stop being dicks about an ingame decision
Sat 15:41

I'll go off now and cool down. Before I get really salty.
Sat 15:41

cya
ChangeOfHeart Sat 15:42

neither said anything for like 10 minutes
Sat 15:42

i think your just trying to avoid my question
Electrolysis Sat 15:42

Well, if you really want an argument, here you have it
ChangeOfHeart Sat 15:42

i take it back
Electrolysis Sat 15:43

your meta and my meta are different concepts: You acess meta as the information you have about a player through their identity - I am talking about general / expect village / vamp /undead behaviour
Sat 15:43

If I say, I want to change the meta, so that lurking doesn't win anymore, it does not attack a specific person, but a behaviour
Sat 15:44

If I say - thou shall not mess with the vampire, I do not mean anyones identity
WheelProtoform Sat 15:48

I lynched the witch, I didn't lynched person X. I thought and still think lynching the revived Witch was the best decision to be made there.
Sat 15:48

but then YOU and Lurker come around the corner and tell me I'm so mean.
Sat 15:49

the only "mean" thing I said is that Armored wont get out due to whining how mean it is to lynch her due to timezone etc. .
Sat 15:49

If we start not lynching people based on meta stuff well I will stop playing.
Sat 15:50

We can all shake hands after the game, but as long as there isn't a crazy amount of verbal abuse it should stay in the game and I feel really pissed right now that Lurker wants to guilt trip me and the rest to achieve his goals.
Electrolysis Sat 15:51

You know what? I concede this argument to you
WheelProtoform Sat 15:51

kk thx!
Sat 15:51

I need some alcohol right now. When I'm back we can go back to the game.
Sat 15:51

and argue about ingame stuff.
ChangeOfHeart Sat 15:59

will you tell me awiems role
Electrolysis Sat 16:59

Villager, Landfill Shaned, we need your votes
Sat 16:59

Kirsch, pls switch
WheelProtoform Sat 17:21

Guys, if you don't lynch Electro it's over. He'll be reborn in his fam tomorrow and then have the perfect timing to re-recruit night 14.
ChangeOfHeart Sat 17:22

what are you talking about wheel elecrto is vamp so he will stay in electro
WheelProtoform Sat 17:22

you will lynch him tomorrow then
Sat 17:23

and it's the perfect timing
Sat 17:23

you need to lynch him today else it fits perfectly
ChangeOfHeart Sat 17:23

we don't need to do anything you tell us
WheelProtoform Sat 17:24

You defend him a bit too hard CoH :)(
ChangeOfHeart Sat 17:24

i'm so sick of you trying to bully the village into doing what you want with your stupid scare tactics
Sat 17:24

you need to lynch the witch because he'll revive you need to lynch the vampire because he'll recruit
Sat 17:25

how about we lynch the undead because we dont know what they're capable of
WheelProtoform Sat 17:25

We're in plane sight, the fam isn't.
Sat 17:25

if we could get away in some way we would have done already
Moderator Sat 17:56

Villager votes to lynch Electrolysis
Moderator Sat 17:56

Villager votes to lynch ASV
Villager Sat 17:57

Too busy at the moment, just drop a vote first
Sat 17:57

will try to come back later
Landfill Sat 18:17

I actually still want to lynch villager
Sat 18:17

Cn we do that?
Sat 18:17

can*
Sat 18:17

sorry, I'll be off more than on today
Moderator Sat 18:17

Landfill votes to lynch Villager
Cahoots Sat 18:17

Ok look guys here's the deal: On one side we have the Vampire who openly admits to be a vampire, which is totally not what anyone would do who gives up on a round. Since Electro played quite decent the last days and Electro has basically changed his tone completely is telling us that Undead are evil because of "reasons"
Landfill Sat 18:18

Also, bad husband thing is hilarious
Cahoots Sat 18:18

I don't believe his reasons and prefer to go for a vamp, because it's a vamp.
Moderator Sat 18:18

Cahoots votes to lynch Electrolysis
ChangeOfHeart Sat 18:19

cahoots do you trust asv and wheel?
Cahoots Sat 18:19

Also vamps are night immune so my abilities don't work. I think undead should be next. But we need to kill the killers first
Sat 18:20

if we lynch the killer we got more time to get rid of undead
ChangeOfHeart Sat 18:20

that assumes that the undead can't kill though
Sat 18:20

and i dont trust wheel and asv when they say that they cant
Cahoots Sat 18:21

Well last night had one kill and I think vamp admitted it?
ChangeOfHeart Sat 18:21

i say we leave him alive today and let him kill an undead
Sat 18:21

if he doesnt we lynch him tomorrow
Sat 18:22

he wont get a recruit back until tomrrow night so he either has to kill or not move tonight
Electrolysis Sat 18:22

In case you didn"t notice, I am offering you to get rid of the undeads
ChangeOfHeart Sat 18:22

if he doesnt kill an undead, we lynch him tomorrow night and his familiar the day after
Electrolysis Sat 18:22

@Landfill - you know that the village is outnumbered, I want to help
Cahoots Sat 18:22

there's one kill last night. So it means undead don't kill ?
ChangeOfHeart Sat 18:22

yes but that doesnt mean that they can't
Electrolysis Sat 18:22

If you lynch me , you are doomed because you can't lynch fast enough
Cahoots Sat 18:23

I know vamp can
ChangeOfHeart Sat 18:23

they might be chosing not to to mislead the village
Electrolysis Sat 18:23

yeah, I killed Solo
Cahoots Sat 18:23

my point!
ChangeOfHeart Sat 18:23

why solo electro?
Electrolysis Sat 18:23

And there is an ability refresh for them in two days
Cahoots Sat 18:23

it also refreshes you vamp
Electrolysis Sat 18:24

I know
Sat 18:24

But I wouldn't recruit after confessing and dooming a village, you have to take my word for that
Sat 18:24

Because they were shady already with their vote said that they were depressed, so I thought it best to kill them
WheelProtoform Sat 18:25

You word? Like the coven word that they will revive a villager? What is it this game with promises? XD
Electrolysis Sat 18:25

Also there was a passage where jez said that TheServer in the GY claimed to have been swapped with Solo
WheelProtoform Sat 18:25

*snarky*
ChangeOfHeart Sat 18:25

wheel will you tell me about awiems role yet?
Electrolysis Sat 18:25

Cahoots - Are you village?
HatAss Sat 18:26

oh thanks mod, I was revived
Electrolysis Sat 18:26

If you are, then there is one simple truth: There are more evils than villagers alive.
Cahoots Sat 18:26

Of course!
Electrolysis Sat 18:26

So just lynching wont cut it
Cahoots Sat 18:26

yes but I know what you are. But you wanna make me believe undead got superpowers
ChangeOfHeart Sat 18:27

cahoots why do you think that they don't?
Sat 18:27

did you read the thing asv admitted about the puppet earlier
Electrolysis Sat 18:27

Well, don't we all have superpowers here?
ChangeOfHeart Sat 18:27

thats scary as fuck to me
Cahoots Sat 18:27

I know you kill evry night, I don't know if undead kill but they don't kill it seems.
Electrolysis Sat 18:27

Yes, but I kill for you
ChangeOfHeart Sat 18:27

they had a puppet that took a new body every 2 nights
Electrolysis Sat 18:28

it's that easy
ChangeOfHeart Sat 18:28

thats like an ss on steroids
Electrolysis Sat 18:28

I can't win myself anyway
Cahoots Sat 18:28

every 2 night?
Sat 18:28

can you explain? be right back
Electrolysis Sat 18:29

yes - they even have admitted that they also had consistent killing power at some point and that they were able to revive ....
ChangeOfHeart Sat 18:29

cahoots idk exactly asv just said that the puppet had to move every 2 days or it died
Moderator Sat 18:29

HatAss votes to lynch ASV
Electrolysis Sat 18:30

So glad you were revived <3
HatAss Sat 18:30

come back and be surrounded by evils
Electrolysis Sat 18:31

heh
HatAss Sat 18:31

o.O
Electrolysis Sat 18:31

but some have good will
HatAss Sat 18:31

I still not really understand about undead
Sat 18:32

they cant be kill at night, and can revive themself if get lynched?
ChangeOfHeart Sat 18:33

i think they can kill at night or at least 1 of them could but that was theserver who is now dead if we believe asv and the reviving was apparently also a 1 time ability but again thats only if we believe asv
Electrolysis Sat 18:34

ASV Sat 15:11 CoH: Harry is a necromancer. As long as he was alive we had a zombie puppet that could move around, but it had to move every other night or it died.
ChangeOfHeart Sat 18:34

actually i'm a bit unsure about asvs story now because he said harry was the one who revived him but then also harry was the one with the skin walking puppet so that doesnt seem to fit
Electrolysis Sat 18:34

wait
ChangeOfHeart Sat 18:34

i think the zombie puppet was another undead maybe that was wekillalot
Electrolysis Sat 18:34

they claimed harry was their reviver before
Sat 18:35

full of bullshit
ChangeOfHeart Sat 18:35

sketchyyyyy
Electrolysis Sat 18:36

lies, nothing but lies
ChangeOfHeart Sat 18:37

there could be a 3rd undead alive that we dont know about
Electrolysis Sat 18:38

if you reread yesterday, and look at BoD's voting and compare it to ASV, it's painfully obvious that BoD is following ASV
Sat 18:39

summary: Electro: Sat 11:52 When I mean BoD's voting behaviour I mean this: 1. asv votes Armroed 2. BoD votes armored too 3. BoD engages in an 1h long argument without changing his opinion 4. ASV shows up and switches his votes to Villager 5. BoD switches to Villager only minutes later 6. Wheel shows up, screams 7. ASV switches back to Armored 8.BowlOfDicks switches back to Armored
ChangeOfHeart Sat 18:39

electro bowl claimed to have roleblocked you 2ce right?
Electrolysis Sat 18:39

yes
ChangeOfHeart Sat 18:39

but i assume you never got a role blocked message?
Cahoots Sat 18:39

So undead got a shapeshifter?
Electrolysis Sat 18:40

yes
Cahoots Sat 18:40

or how does it work?
Sat 18:40

how you know?
ChangeOfHeart Sat 18:40

cahoots idk ask wheel or asv
Sat 18:40

but they might not tell you
Electrolysis Sat 18:40

basically a puppet that has to shift every night
ChangeOfHeart Sat 18:40

i keep asking for awiems role and they keep ignoring me
Cahoots Sat 18:40

that doesn't make sense
Sat 18:41

then we would have 2 kills?
Sat 18:41

I think you lie vamp
Electrolysis Sat 18:41

what lie?
Cahoots Sat 18:41

you said you killed solo but you say they shift every night, so it always should be 2 kills
Electrolysis Sat 18:42

no
Cahoots Sat 18:42

But the old body must go right? that's how SS works
Electrolysis Sat 18:42

the puppet was just to illustrate a point: undeads did have killing and they did have reviving
Sat 18:43

now add 1 1 and see what happens after n14 ability refresh
Cahoots Sat 18:43

You changed your words
Electrolysis Sat 18:43

Do I?
ASV Sat 18:43

ChangeOfHeart: are you going to tell us your actual coven role? Or keep pretending you're some non-useful reviver who never used their ability?
Cahoots Sat 18:43

yes you said they shift every night, and then you say they don't
Sat 18:44

I think you don't know and you just make up
Electrolysis Sat 18:44

If that role is alive of course
Sat 18:44

Yeah
Cahoots Sat 18:44

so it's not alive?
Electrolysis Sat 18:44

the thing is that ASV told us this
Sat 18:44

ASV told us about this role
Cahoots Sat 18:44

ASV explain
ChangeOfHeart Sat 18:44

asv if i admitted to being a coven role would you even believe me?
Electrolysis Sat 18:45

Cahoots, I fear that they can revive, they claim that ASV was 919 on d1, died and was revived by the undead into ASV's body
Cahoots Sat 18:45

Decide vamp
ASV Sat 18:45

We can revive once.
Sat 18:45

I told you that
Cahoots Sat 18:45

you have a new story every 3 minutes
Electrolysis Sat 18:45

nah
ASV Sat 18:45

I may have lied about who had the ability.
Electrolysis Sat 18:45

ability refresh
Cahoots Sat 18:45

decide what they do
Sat 18:46

I think you say they do everything. Because you want to live
BowlOfDicks Sat 18:46

i would have thought electrolysis' admission he was a vampire would have made it clear i wasn't lying. i've already explained why i changed my votes, i didn't want a tie to happen and coven could have balanced it, so when i saw that we would be able to prevent the witch from being able to revive another coven i took the chance to stop that, i said at the time i wasn't happy with the plan
Electrolysis Sat 18:46

No, I do not
Sat 18:46

these are all things that were confessed by ASV
ASV Sat 18:46

IF we could revive, we'd have let ourselves get killed and jsut revive into another body.
BowlOfDicks Sat 18:46

i also don't believe a word of asv and wheel, but the vampire is a bigger risk in my book
ASV Sat 18:46

(if we could revive constantly *)
Cahoots Sat 18:47

Electro, but why you change non stop if asv confessed?
ASV Sat 18:47

Villagers: To be honest, I don't really care if the village lynches me, go ahead, we can't win anyway. I've said this for days now. But you've got Vampires lying to try and stay alive until N14 to get their refresh to run away. You've got 2 coven lurking around (Lurker and CoH waiting for the same (whatever CoH's ability is.)
Cahoots Sat 18:47

I trust bowl
ASV Sat 18:47

If Electrolysis really wanted us dead, he'd have killed us last night not killed Solo
Electrolysis Sat 18:47

My point is, Cahoots, you might underestimate the undead: We know that they have had a Killing ability (and might still have) and that that they have had a revive ability (and might still have)
ASV Sat 18:47

instead, he killed one of your own to then use us and his promise of siding with you as a distraction.
Electrolysis Sat 18:48

No
Sat 18:48

Exactly that's what I did not
Cahoots Sat 18:48

But you kill every night. Last night only you killed.
BowlOfDicks Sat 18:48

making a deal with the devil is a bad idea, especially when none of us can stop the vampire from doing anything they like at night
Electrolysis Sat 18:48

Yeah
ASV Sat 18:48

I mean, you're currently lynching me, so if you honestly think we have a revive that we can actively use, you're killing the one person who certainly doesn't have it given the GY-reading power...
Electrolysis Sat 18:48

I kill undeads for you
Cahoots Sat 18:48

You say they can kill, but why do only you kill?
Electrolysis Sat 18:49

Cahoots, how do you plan to deal with the undead?
Cahoots Sat 18:49

if you are dead no more kills
Sat 18:49

and we can lynch them
BowlOfDicks Sat 18:49

you haven't been trying to kill undeads so far, from what i can see
Electrolysis Sat 18:49

yes
ASV Sat 18:49

They should deal with us by lynching us once you stop being able to kil them all off
Electrolysis Sat 18:49

but the village is outnumbered
BowlOfDicks Sat 18:50

i agree that it looks like the undead have an ability that can kill, but it doesn't appear to be consistent
Electrolysis Sat 18:50

as soon as I am not there to kill evils, the evils win - it is only a question of which evil will win
Cahoots Sat 18:50

vamp give me numbers why
BowlOfDicks Sat 18:50

whereas a vampire can consistently kill
Cahoots Sat 18:50

list evil please
Electrolysis Sat 18:50

ok
BowlOfDicks Sat 18:50

and once again, you could have killed asv or wheel (or myself since you think i'm undead) ages ago yet you haven't
Electrolysis Sat 18:50

confessed evils: ASV, Wheel
Cahoots Sat 18:50

and you
ASV Sat 18:50

Electrolysis if the village is outnumbered it's only becuase you kill fucking killing them
BowlOfDicks Sat 18:51

and lurker
Electrolysis Sat 18:51

Sorry, I wont do this when you wont stop talking
Cahoots Sat 18:51

that's 4
BowlOfDicks Sat 18:51

we're also almost certain about villager and changeofheart
Electrolysis Sat 18:51

ok so:
ChangeOfHeart Sat 18:51

almost certain lol
Sat 18:51

which is another way of saying you have no idea
Electrolysis Sat 18:52

1. ASV Wheel 2. Me Villager = 4 evils
BowlOfDicks Sat 18:52

you're pretty obviously coven, changeofheart
Electrolysis Sat 18:52

5. Unfamiliarguy
BowlOfDicks Sat 18:52

and villager has been seen protecting a familiar, so...
Sat 18:52

and electro just threw villager under the bus too
Electrolysis Sat 18:52

6. either hatass or succubus that redirected hatass
BowlOfDicks Sat 18:52

has landfill vouched for unfamiliarguy today? he said he was going to try talk to him last night
Cahoots Sat 18:53

I think we're fine if we have no more kills
Sat 18:53

because coven and undead are in war
Electrolysis Sat 18:53

7. I believe BowlOfDicks is evil, and made a good argument but you might not believe that: even then. if there is 1 evil in ChangeOfHeart, Kirsch, Lurker, you lose
Cahoots Sat 18:54

Change you need to change vote. I don't think Electro is honest
Electrolysis Sat 18:54

Cahoots, I am sorry if you are not convinced, but I wont get too worked up, as you might be evil
ASV Sat 18:54

BowlOfDicks: Landfill was vouching for Shaned not Unfam - Unfam has no one to vouch for him because the rest of his team (DemonLord and Her_Her are dead)
BowlOfDicks Sat 18:55

i don't think you did make a good argument, but obviously i'm biased, maybe others would agree with you. lurker is definitely evil, he's confessed it, changeofheart is almost certainly and kirschsetup might well be
ChangeOfHeart Sat 18:55

cahoots i dont think asv or wheel are honest either
Cahoots Sat 18:55

Solo got killed by vamp
BowlOfDicks Sat 18:55

ah yeah, sorry, i keep mixing shaned and unfamiliarguy up for some reason
Cahoots Sat 18:55

I see no kill from undead, so why not kill the killer?
BowlOfDicks Sat 18:56

yeah, why haven't you been killing undead until now? asv and wheel have confessed, and you suspect me, yet none of us have been your targets
ChangeOfHeart Sat 18:56

because i'm worried that they have a trick that we dont know about
Electrolysis Sat 18:56

Sigh, this is pointless
Sat 18:56

Maybe they are hiding their kill?
Cahoots Sat 18:56

I know a vamp trick, it's familiar
Electrolysis Sat 18:56

Maybe the ability refresh gives them their kill back?
Cahoots Sat 18:56

I think I better lose to unknown that vamp in front of my eyes
ChangeOfHeart Sat 18:57

all his familiars are dead though
Cahoots Sat 18:57

I'll look stupid if I let vamp win
BowlOfDicks Sat 18:57

no, villager is alive
ASV Sat 18:57

They aren't - Villager is still around.
Cahoots Sat 18:57

because they'll say "I told you"
ASV Sat 18:57

Also, I gotta love that the vamps want to kill me, despite trying to tell the rest of you that one of the other undead must be able to revive. Yeah great idea, kill the Medium.
Electrolysis Sat 18:57

Cahoots, you are refusing the one offer that can help the village win
BowlOfDicks Sat 18:57

villager is his familiar, and possibly kirschsetup/unfamiliarguy
Cahoots Sat 18:57

"cahoots why are you so dumb, vamp confessed"
Electrolysis Sat 18:57

a second time, after you've refused Armoreds offer
BowlOfDicks Sat 18:58

you can't take offers from evil factions, there's no way you can trust they'll do as they say, it's madness to do so
ChangeOfHeart Sat 18:58

cahoots i dont see it like that i see it as i want village to win but right now i dont think village have a chance so if village can't win i want any one but the undead to win
Electrolysis Sat 18:58

BowlOfDicks, there are no more fams
Cahoots Sat 18:58

Landfill please, I don't wanna look stupid.
Electrolysis Sat 18:58

VM got one more revive, just like the masons did get one more recruit
BowlOfDicks Sat 18:58

bullshit, i don't believe that for a second electro
Electrolysis Sat 18:58

yeah, of course, then again, I think that you are evil
Cahoots Sat 18:59

hatass you need to change, people always say go for the evil in front of you. Vamp is right under my nose
BowlOfDicks Sat 18:59

we know you are evil, and every single confession that has come out in this game has lied about how many are left
Sat 18:59

that's why confessions happen, to take the heat off teammates
Electrolysis Sat 18:59

Cahoots, you are being awefully protective of the undead
ChangeOfHeart Sat 18:59

does that include the undead bowl?
Cahoots Sat 19:00

I'm undead too now?
BowlOfDicks Sat 19:00

yes, definitely, i've said that multiple times changeofheart
Cahoots Sat 19:00

for vamp everyone not agreeing is undead.
BowlOfDicks Sat 19:00

i think there's 3 undead, 2 coven, 1 vampire and 1/2 familiars left
ChangeOfHeart Sat 19:01

so we should lynch undead because theres the most of them
Cahoots Sat 19:01

I want no kill night
BowlOfDicks Sat 19:01

if i'm right about 2 familiars, they tie for majority, but even with the numbers, the vampires can consistently kill, whereas it appears that if the undead can it's inconsistent
Cahoots Sat 19:02

if we lynch vamp we got time change
ASV Sat 19:02

Remember once again that vampires win by majority regardless of other evils. At least coven and undead need to wipe out each other.
Cahoots Sat 19:02

we get a free day
Electrolysis Sat 19:02

Incase you didn't notice - I outed my fam
ChangeOfHeart Sat 19:02

hmm
Moderator Sat 19:02

ChangeOfHeart votes to lynch Electrolysis
Cahoots Sat 19:02

vamp can't kill tonight
BowlOfDicks Sat 19:02

yes, we noticed electro
ChangeOfHeart Sat 19:02

idk if i trust you cahoots
Cahoots Sat 19:02

it was changed
Electrolysis Sat 19:02

ChangeOfHeart, they would all be on my kill list
Sat 19:03

Of course they want me to die
BowlOfDicks Sat 19:03

you keep saying that, yet you've avoided killing any of your undead suspects until you suddenly need to bargain
Cahoots Sat 19:03

you don't have to, I trust you neither. But I think no vamp gives us more time
ASV Sat 19:03

And, here is a wacky thought, lynch the vamp because every night the vamp is alive is 1 less villager (of course he's going to kill villagers and not us as that puts him in a better position to win becuase he'll tell the village to lynch us again tomorrow) and you know exactly who we are so you can just lynch us away once the killing stops.
Moderator Sat 19:03

FEWER
BowlOfDicks Sat 19:03

i've said it before, but our priorities should be vampire, then undead, then coven
Cahoots Sat 19:04

I agree coven last
Electrolysis Sat 19:04

cahoots, not if the vamp kills in your -------------> favor <----------
ChangeOfHeart Sat 19:04

asv i dont think that is good reasoning
BowlOfDicks Sat 19:04

but we have no guarantee you'll do anything you're saying
ChangeOfHeart Sat 19:04

if he kills to many villagers then the other evils can gang up on him and get him lynched
Sat 19:05

i think vampire killing other evils is in both vampire and villages interests
BowlOfDicks Sat 19:05

but if he's lying about how many familiars he has he can simply go into hiding
Sat 19:05

it's never a good idea to let a known evil go killing on their own, they will never move in the interest of the village
Electrolysis Sat 19:05

You know, I'm trying to make allies with the village, Of course I'm going to killl villagers
BowlOfDicks Sat 19:05

and we have no way of blocking or preventing a vampire from doing whatever they like
ChangeOfHeart Sat 19:05

bowlofdicks but what if the undead are lying about their abilties?
ASV Sat 19:05

@mod LESS
BowlOfDicks Sat 19:06

you're trying to survive a lynch, not make a bargain
Cahoots Sat 19:06

If vamp dies tomorrow and not today he respawns into refresh
ChangeOfHeart Sat 19:06

id rather deal with the faction that i know how it works than the faction i have no idea about
BowlOfDicks Sat 19:06

they almost certainly are lying, changeofheart, but it does appear that their killing ability is more limited
Electrolysis Sat 19:06

Then this shall be a lesson for you, I hope you lose because of this
ChangeOfHeart Sat 19:06

but what if theyre playing us
Electrolysis Sat 19:07

Of course they are playing you
ChangeOfHeart Sat 19:07

bowlofdicks why do you trust them so much asv already admitted that he lied about the reviver
BowlOfDicks Sat 19:07

what if the vampire is? what if the coven are? every evil faction is attempting to play everyone
ChangeOfHeart Sat 19:07

what if the reviver is actually still alive
BowlOfDicks Sat 19:07

i've already said, i don't trust them at all, but i think vampire is the bigger threat
Electrolysis Sat 19:07

look how often they say "but what if" and bring up the most ridiculous scenarios
Sat 19:07

Change, you have been here before
BowlOfDicks Sat 19:07

as soon as vampire is dead i intend to go after the undead, as i keep saying
Electrolysis Sat 19:07

remember?
Sat 19:08

yesterday?
ChangeOfHeart Sat 19:08

yes i remember yesterday
Electrolysis Sat 19:08

When it was about have Armored revive Stormsetup?
Sat 19:08

Exactly the same people, pretty much the same argument
Moderator Sat 19:08

ChangeOfHeart votes to lynch ASV
BowlOfDicks Sat 19:08

same argument, i agree, because you can't trust evil to do as they say
Electrolysis Sat 19:09

they want to make you believe that I will take the worst action for you possible, regardless of whether it is in my interest
WheelProtoform Sat 19:09

Electro that's kinda ridicolous, you're the "what if" person here
ChangeOfHeart Sat 19:09

if you dont get lynched electro and you kill me tonight i'm going to be very upset
Electrolysis Sat 19:09

Change, why would I do that? How could that possibly be in my interest???
WheelProtoform Sat 19:09

your argument is "what if the Undead got superpowers" it's the biggest what iff of the whole argument.
BowlOfDicks Sat 19:10

he won't, he'll kill me, he's pissed i outed him. i get that you're worried about the undead, so am i, but we buy ourselves more time by stopping the consistent nightly kills
WheelProtoform Sat 19:10

You said I was theoretical about the witch, you attribute us the power to revive, kill, shapeshift, read the graveyard and probably also fly to the moon.
ASV Sat 19:10

ChangeOfHeart: It's not in his interests at all to kill off other evil - other evil doesn't stop him winning. He'll kill off a villager tonight, then take a fam tomorrow night and then everyone loses to a hidden vamp that we don't know. RIght now all the evils are known (Vamp: Electro/Villager, Undead: ASV/Wheel, Coven: CoH/Lurker). Once vamp stops killing there are enough villagers around to lynch the 4 of us away
WheelProtoform Sat 19:10

You're the biggest "what if" person here
Electrolysis Sat 19:10

You can choose witch undead I should kill
Moderator Sat 19:10

WheelProtoform votes to lynch Electrolysis
ASV Sat 19:10

If they alternate coven/undead like they said they would then we stop each other from winning.
ChangeOfHeart Sat 19:11

asv if he kills a villager tonight we lynch him tomorrow
BowlOfDicks Sat 19:11

why haven't you been killing your undead suspects before now then?
Electrolysis Sat 19:11

I was thinking about killing UnfamiliarGuy, but feel free to leave suggestions
ChangeOfHeart Sat 19:11

then he cant take a familiar
WheelProtoform Sat 19:11

WHAT IF THE VAMP CAN RECRUIT, OH WAIT HE CAN....WHAT IF THE VAMP COULD KILL... OH WAIT HE CAN???
Sat 19:11

we can get rid of killing power without a SINGLE IF.
ChangeOfHeart Sat 19:12

asv and wheel i dont like that you both try and pressure the village with scary stories when your the scariest things here
Shaned Sat 19:12

Urrrgghhh... Is there any village left other than me and landfill? seriously?
BowlOfDicks Sat 19:12

*puts hand up*
Electrolysis Sat 19:12

I said 1. I will not recruit another villager and doom them with me, especially not after I confessed
WheelProtoform Sat 19:12

Shaned, you can't kill the vamp, help the village and we get rid of him.
ChangeOfHeart Sat 19:12

i'm village but asv seems convinced im coven just because the gy said so
Electrolysis Sat 19:12

Hi Shaned, 50% of the reason I'm doing all this
BowlOfDicks Sat 19:12

but we can't trust your word on anything, electrolysis, surely you see that from our side?
Cahoots Sat 19:13

I raised my hand twice for "I am village" yay
Electrolysis Sat 19:13

I don;t expect you to trust my word, BoD
ChangeOfHeart Sat 19:13

bowlofdicks you cant trust the undead either but you still side with them
Electrolysis Sat 19:13

yay
BowlOfDicks Sat 19:13

i keep telling you i don't trust the undead, i'm following my logic as i've outlined multiple times
WheelProtoform Sat 19:13

CoH this is about "what if" vs "guranteed"
Electrolysis Sat 19:13

I think you know what he's going to answer
WheelProtoform Sat 19:14

VAMP CAN KILL
Sat 19:14

there's no what if involved
BowlOfDicks Sat 19:14

it's not about taking sides, it's about reducing the risk to the village, a vampire that can be killed and can't be prevented from doing that is the biggest risk to us right now
ChangeOfHeart Sat 19:14

vamp can kill an evil
BowlOfDicks Sat 19:14

but we can't trust them to do that
WheelProtoform Sat 19:14

what do you do if he doesn't?
ChangeOfHeart Sat 19:14

i think we should take that risk for one night
Sat 19:14

we lynch him tomorrow wheel
Sat 19:14

i already said that
WheelProtoform Sat 19:14

lynch him? XD shoot him?
BowlOfDicks Sat 19:14

why take the risk though?
WheelProtoform Sat 19:15

yes but then it goes to the night 14 refresh
ChangeOfHeart Sat 19:15

bowlofdicks because i believe he will kill an undead
Sat 19:15

wheel yes but we lynch him before the refresh
Sat 19:15

so theres no problem
BowlOfDicks Sat 19:15

but then he shifts into one of his familiars
WheelProtoform Sat 19:15

what is the last two days with believing?
Sat 19:15

Are we in a church?
BowlOfDicks Sat 19:15

and then recruits
Electrolysis Sat 19:15

BoD, please acknowledhe how much it would help the village if I do as I say
WheelProtoform Sat 19:15

Trusting the vamp XD
Sat 19:16

always works out. Always^^
ChangeOfHeart Sat 19:16

bowlofdicks if he has a familiar its obviously villager so its not like he can escape
WheelProtoform Sat 19:16

HE DIRECTLY RESPAWNS INTO A ROLE REFRESH
ChangeOfHeart Sat 19:16

wheel he cant use his power on the day he respawns
WheelProtoform Sat 19:16

it's insanity
ChangeOfHeart Sat 19:16

he can only use it the following night
BowlOfDicks Sat 19:16

yes, i do acknowledge that, it would help in the short term, but it buys you time to recruit and it gives you a chance to escape, plus it means you get a chance to kill a villager
ChangeOfHeart Sat 19:16

so QUIT YOUR FUCKING BULLSHIT
WheelProtoform Sat 19:16

he'll respawn in the morning
Electrolysis Sat 19:16

I think they are upset that they can not use the vamp as a scapegoat anymore
ChangeOfHeart Sat 19:16

yes and then we lynch him
WheelProtoform Sat 19:16

thanks I know how stuff works
Sat 19:17

who is HIM?
BowlOfDicks Sat 19:17

that's also assuming he has only one familiar, changeofheart
Sat 19:17

i suspect he has two
ChangeOfHeart Sat 19:17

villager
WheelProtoform Sat 19:17

WHO IS HIM
ChangeOfHeart Sat 19:17

hes obviously the familiar
Sat 19:17

bowlofdicks lets be realistic if he has 2 familiars i'm clearly the second one
BowlOfDicks Sat 19:17

he's obviously one of his familiars, but i suspect kirschsetup might be another one (or undead)
ChangeOfHeart Sat 19:17

so lynch villager and then lynch me
WheelProtoform Sat 19:17

yeah they totally out themselves if they were vamps
BowlOfDicks Sat 19:18

no, i think realistically you're probably coven
WheelProtoform Sat 19:18

you think Electro is some brain dead idiot?
ASV Sat 19:18

ChangeOfHeart: if Electro honestly was going to kill an undead, why hasn't he yet? If he's trying to tell you that we have killing and reviving powers - why is he getting you to lynch the one that very obviously does not have those powers.
BowlOfDicks Sat 19:18

and kirschsetup and unfamiliarguy are familiar and undead, though i'm not sure which would be which yet
WheelProtoform Sat 19:18

Electro is too smart to do this for charity
Electrolysis Sat 19:18

tbh, electro is pretty braindead
ChangeOfHeart Sat 19:19

asv why don't you leave him alive and lets find out
Sat 19:19

and then if he doesn't do it in the morning you can be all i told you so
WheelProtoform Sat 19:19

I'll be dead
ChangeOfHeart Sat 19:19

good
Sat 19:19

i have no problem with that
BowlOfDicks Sat 19:19

because i'm still trying to win this for the village, changeofheart
Electrolysis Sat 19:19

savage
ASV Sat 19:19

At the current rate I'll be dead. I'd rather not die yet as I think I'm more useful to the village (not you, you're coven) alive.
WheelProtoform Sat 19:19

yeah still salty I got your coven buddy lynched?
BowlOfDicks Sat 19:19

as an aside, if you insist on lynching an undead, wheel would make more sense, we're less sure about his powers
ASV Sat 19:19

(That was at CoH)
WheelProtoform Sat 19:20

Would lynch again.
ASV Sat 19:20

But whatever, lynch me, totally the right call.
WheelProtoform Sat 19:20

htfu and don't be salty
ChangeOfHeart Sat 19:20

you insist i'm coven but you have no idea what role i'd even be
ASV Sat 19:20

Then tonight we can use our magic fucking superpower to bring me back
Electrolysis Sat 19:20

If you lynch me every day you can keep me from recruiting, because when the VM dies, they miss a night
WheelProtoform Sat 19:20

yeah
Sat 19:20

especailly since they are lynching the medium XD
Sat 19:21

it makes no sense at all but ok^^
BowlOfDicks Sat 19:21

if we lynch you every day we can't lynch any other evil...
WheelProtoform Sat 19:21

if anyone got superpowers it's probably not the gy reader^^
BowlOfDicks Sat 19:21

and whether i think you are coven isn't important right now, changeofheart
WheelProtoform Sat 19:21

but Electro doesn't care and CoH doesn't care because he wants revenge for poor Armored
Shaned Sat 19:21

So which devil do I deal with
WheelProtoform Sat 19:22

the lynch of ASV makes no sense because ASV is the grave reader
Shaned Sat 19:22

Vamp... Or Undead...
Electrolysis Sat 19:22

the one that wants you to win or the one that backstabbed you?
ChangeOfHeart Sat 19:22

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10P_ybz5YTI
BowlOfDicks Sat 19:22

i'd like to hear your thoughts on it shaned
WheelProtoform Sat 19:22

Shaned, ASV is the grave reader, there's no super power you get rid off
Electrolysis Sat 19:22

The one that already betrayed you or the one that might betray you?
WheelProtoform Sat 19:22

IF YOU WANT TO GET RID OF OUR SUPERPOWER, DON'T LYNCH THE GRAVEREADER LOL
ASV Sat 19:22

Obviously the vamps want the gy reader gone so that I can't give the village any secrets if his fam admits anything in the GY.
WheelProtoform Sat 19:23

I mean it's obvious but XD
ASV Sat 19:23

and CoH wants me gone becuase I outed him
WheelProtoform Sat 19:23

Village gains nothing from killing the most known role^^
BowlOfDicks Sat 19:23

any thoughts shaned? i'd like to hear what you make of this
Shaned Sat 19:23

To be honest I'd rather Lynch the lot of you but unfortunately it's obvious I don't have the time for this.
ChangeOfHeart Sat 19:23

i'd be happy to lynch wheel over asv today
Sat 19:23

but i want 1 of them gone
WheelProtoform Sat 19:23

You so salty bro
Electrolysis Sat 19:24

I don;t think villager will make it back in time :(
WheelProtoform Sat 19:24

You lynch the role you know best.
Sat 19:24

this isn't about helping village.
ChangeOfHeart Sat 19:24

it's not even about the balance any more its about the fucking obnoxious attitudes
Shaned Sat 19:24

Personally. I'd prefer to Lynch an undead...
WheelProtoform Sat 19:24

This is the worst possible lynch of all evils XD
Shaned Sat 19:24

I can get rid of Coven.
Electrolysis Sat 19:24

why aren't you?
WheelProtoform Sat 19:24

You can't get rid of vamp or fam shaned
BowlOfDicks Sat 19:24

for me it's not about which undead we lynch (wheel would make more sense to me when we get around to undead), but lynching the vampire before we do that prevents a lot of risk to the village
Shaned Sat 19:25

Because it takes 2 turns to kill a coven...
BowlOfDicks Sat 19:25

i can block undead too, that was my intent with blocking kirschsetup last night
WheelProtoform Sat 19:25

Shaned coven is against us, makes you think right? :)
BowlOfDicks Sat 19:25

i can block wheel tonight if that helps
Shaned Sat 19:25

I can't get rid of undead or the vamp unless we have a lynch majority.
ASV Sat 19:25

Shaned: then get rid of the vampire first, then lynch us in the day, kill coven at night
Electrolysis Sat 19:25

Shaned, have you read the end of yesterday_
Sat 19:25

?
WheelProtoform Sat 19:25

shaned vote vamp, one less kill per night.
Sat 19:26

I trust your judgement.
Sat 19:26

Coven are siding with the vamp
Sat 19:26

they'll defend him tomorrow too
BowlOfDicks Sat 19:26

ugh, this again? i've explained so many times why i changed my vote, stop trying to twist it in your favour
Electrolysis Sat 19:26

Poor undeads are scared
ASV Sat 19:26

You know who we are. Lets even pretend for a second that we had a secret 3rd person. once you've lynched us and killed the coven if the game doesn't end, you and Landfill just lynch everyone who isn't you until it's a 3-way tie and you kill the last person
Electrolysis Sat 19:26

no, I don't mean you, BowlOfDicks
WheelProtoform Sat 19:27

Shaned, Vamp will will you and will side with coven
BowlOfDicks Sat 19:27

i do think there's a secret third person, asv, i'm leaning towards kirschsetup being it at the moment
WheelProtoform Sat 19:27

they got the numbers after today
Electrolysis Sat 19:28

Honestly
WheelProtoform Sat 19:28

Coven fam and fam will be enough for a guranteed loss
BowlOfDicks Sat 19:28

and if there's another familiar it's unfamiliarguy (electro seems a little too keen to say he'll kill him, which makes me think he's trying to distance himself from unfamiliarguy)
ChangeOfHeart Sat 19:28

wheel did you lie about your role?
Sat 19:28

are your really a fortune teller
WheelProtoform Sat 19:28

*coven team and fam
Sat 19:28

you want my checks?
ChangeOfHeart Sat 19:29

you really should be because you predict the future with such certainty even though you have no idea what will happen
WheelProtoform Sat 19:29

will you believe me then?
BowlOfDicks Sat 19:29

he probably has, changeofheart, i'm willing to bet he has something to do with the zombie they keep mentioning
WheelProtoform Sat 19:30

N2 wemissyoyo nothing N3 Burdock nothing N4 Witch I'll list them seperatly N5 AutoSV Stalker will list checks laster N6 StormSetup ??? N7 Witch swapped no result N8 DiggingTime Nothing N9 WeKillAlot Nothing N10 Fasvnty can't devour twice N11 no devour nothing N12 there's no undevoured intel left
BowlOfDicks Sat 19:30

this gets at what i'm thinking, we pretty much know who the undead are and can deal with them when the nightly killings are slowed down or hopefully completely stopped, we're almost certain who they all are - if people don't trust me they can add me to the end of the lynch list
Electrolysis Sat 19:30

I would consider that a slip
Sat 19:31

You forgot Soslowww, who was fam-gd
Sat 19:31

You explicitly stated that you can eat evil corpeses too
WheelProtoform Sat 19:31

I'm disgusted by him.
Electrolysis Sat 19:32

pffft
BowlOfDicks Sat 19:32

hmm, maybe they can kill when they devour a dead? that would make sense
Sat 19:32

it would explain the inconsistent killing from their side
WheelProtoform Sat 19:32

that was awien :/
Electrolysis Sat 19:33

Anyway, Shaned, i genuinly want to help the village here, and a couple of people see that this could lead to the village's win, so they oppose ne, by assuming that I will break my wird
WheelProtoform Sat 19:34

after you GENUINLY killed villagers for 12 days?
BowlOfDicks Sat 19:34

i still don't see how letting you live and kill freely helps the village
Sat 19:34

or recruiting into your faction
Electrolysis Sat 19:34

exactly, this proves my point
WheelProtoform Sat 19:34

YOU COULD HAVE KILLED US FOR 12 NIGHTS NOW ELECTRO
Sat 19:34

you didn't =)
ASV Sat 19:34

Jesus christ, more people and their fuckng word that they'll totally go against their own faction and revive villagers or kill non-villagers.
Electrolysis Sat 19:34

BowlOfDicks, It would benefit the village If I would kill udneads for the, right?
ASV Sat 19:34

yeah totally, you'll absolutely do that.
WheelProtoform Sat 19:35

NO FACTION PLAYS FOR ANOTHER FACTION
Sat 19:35

IT'S A LIE
ASV Sat 19:35

You're not just trying to silence the gy-reader so that he can't reveal when you recruit someone else
BowlOfDicks Sat 19:35

short term, yes, but as people have pointed out, it buys you time to swing it in your favour
Electrolysis Sat 19:35

Screaming wont make it more true, wheel
Sat 19:35

ehm
WheelProtoform Sat 19:35

I'll blame you after the game for being mean to me and hurt my feelings
Electrolysis Sat 19:36

Ah
WheelProtoform Sat 19:36

but this has nothing to do with the current situation
Electrolysis Sat 19:36

ok
Sat 19:36

-
ASV Sat 19:36

The fact that Electro and his team are targetting me and not any of the other people they think are on our team shows how ungenuine they are.
Sat 19:37

They're saying we can kill, but are targetting the 1 guarenteed non-killer.
WheelProtoform Sat 19:37

You're VAMP, and while I never ever promised to help anyone, you tell a fairy tale about helping village.
Electrolysis Sat 19:37

no
Sat 19:37

we are going for an obvious undead
WheelProtoform Sat 19:37

Shaned, Hatass... ASV can't KILL, it makes no sense ^^
ChangeOfHeart Sat 19:37

wheel you talk like its unheard of for a vampire to kill other evils for the village
WheelProtoform Sat 19:38

you know he can't kill^^
ChangeOfHeart Sat 19:38

i dont get it
WheelProtoform Sat 19:38

It's just the worst move you guys could do
Electrolysis Sat 19:38

yeah
Sat 19:38

just like you had to show them the way yesterday
BowlOfDicks Sat 19:38

i don't get why anyone would trust the vampire to do that though, and it's been pointed out that it buys him time to escape all his familiars being lynched
Electrolysis Sat 19:38

You are the wise overlords protecting the village
WheelProtoform Sat 19:38

votes of ASV pretend to do something for the village, while it's the worst lynch for village
Sat 19:39

*Voters
Electrolysis Sat 19:39

yeah
ChangeOfHeart Sat 19:39

wheel ok so lets say we didn't lynch either electro or asv
Sat 19:39

who would be the best lynch then?
BowlOfDicks Sat 19:39

villager, in that case
WheelProtoform Sat 19:39

that's an odd question.
Sat 19:40

villager probably
Sat 19:40

but then you still have a vamp to fuck things up, the vamp /coven alliance will win
ChangeOfHeart Sat 19:40

so should we lynch villager instead?
WheelProtoform Sat 19:40

coven are so mad about Armored they accept to lose just to revenge Armored
Sat 19:40

And I'm called salty -_-
Electrolysis Sat 19:40

-.- not happy about this, but it's not my call
BowlOfDicks Sat 19:40

it's second-place in terms of lynches for me, you lose stopping the kill tonight but at least you take out a body he can move into
ChangeOfHeart Sat 19:41

wheel but it sounds like coven cant win anyway
Electrolysis Sat 19:41

but yeah, go for villager if you think it's best
Sat 19:41

I will kill an undead either way tonight
BowlOfDicks Sat 19:41

but i don't get why you'd go for the familiar when you can go directly for the vampire and get the same benefits whilst also stopping him killing whoever he likes
Cahoots Sat 19:41

hmm, let's try
Moderator Sat 19:41

Cahoots votes to lynch Villager
ChangeOfHeart Sat 19:41

bowlofdicks i still think we should let him try and kill an undead
Moderator Sat 19:41

ChangeOfHeart votes to lynch Villager
BowlOfDicks Sat 19:42

but it gives him time to recruit, why would you want to let him do that?
Electrolysis Sat 19:42

Oh god
Cahoots Sat 19:42

I think he only got a new recruit in night 14
ChangeOfHeart Sat 19:42

you really think he can recruit still wtf
Electrolysis Sat 19:42

Cahoots appears twice, once at my name and once at villager, the confusion is real
ChangeOfHeart Sat 19:42

if he could recruit why would he have killed solo last night
BowlOfDicks Sat 19:43

there's an ability refresh tomorrow night
Sat 19:43

so he'll be able to recruit again
Electrolysis Sat 19:43

just saying - Villager is a stalker
ChangeOfHeart Sat 19:43

bowl so we can lynch him tomorrow before he has time to use his power
Sat 19:43

whats the problem
Sat 19:44

today or tomorrow it makes no difference except tonight he can kill an undead for us
BowlOfDicks Sat 19:44

because if, for example, unfamiliarguy is also a familiar, he can recruit from unfamiliarguy's body
Sat 19:44

plus we have no guarantee he will target an undead, for all we know he'll kill landfill or shaned
Electrolysis Sat 19:45

really solid argument you got going there, off of one edge case
BowlOfDicks Sat 19:45

i agree it's an edge case, but why take the risk of it being a possibility?
Electrolysis Sat 19:45

Did you consider that Unfam showed up to vote SoSloww, my other fam?
BowlOfDicks Sat 19:46

if he knew you couldn't save him that would be a way of throwing him under the bus to gain credibility
Electrolysis Sat 19:46

@ChangeOfHeart do you believe me that BoD is an undead or do you need to see more unreal stubborness from him?
BowlOfDicks Sat 19:46

anway, i've said before i think it's between unfamiliarguy and kirschsetup from my perspective
Electrolysis Sat 19:47

I could come up with more and more pieces of evidence, just like that one, and BoD would find an excuse
ASV Sat 19:47

I still think Electrolysis would be better. I'm onboard with voting Villager but then you absolutely have to vote Electrolysis tomorrow or he gets that extra recruit tomorrow night that he says he totally wouldn't do becuase he's totally village-aligned now.
BowlOfDicks Sat 19:47

you have no evidence, just because i agree you are a higher priority does not make me undead, it's all hearsay and you know it
ChangeOfHeart Sat 19:47

i do kinda think bowl might be an undead but idk really maybe hes really a wolf?
BowlOfDicks Sat 19:48

if i am a wolf that means there's at least one other wolf, but there haven't been enough deaths for it
ChangeOfHeart Sat 19:48

asv help us lynch villager today and i'll help you lynch electro tomorrow deal?
Electrolysis Sat 19:48

But that'd mean that there's a second wold somewhere, since he can still block
Moderator Sat 19:48

ASV votes to lynch Villager
BowlOfDicks Sat 19:48

gah, this is a bad move, electro makes so much more sense
WheelProtoform Sat 19:49

Agreed
Sat 19:49

ASV change back :/
ASV Sat 19:49

Bowl: I agree, but no one wants to trust me so I can't make that argument.
BowlOfDicks Sat 19:49

and if you look at my block history, i've consistenyl blocked evil - you wouldn't even know who the vampire is without me
Electrolysis Sat 19:49

Doesn't make you village
BowlOfDicks Sat 19:50

i've done all i can to prove i'm a villager, but without any intel to back me up it's hard to prove, so i do understand the doubt
WheelProtoform Sat 19:50

WE NEED TO LYNCH ELECTRO
Electrolysis Sat 19:50

you checks are one thing, zour entire behaviour ar another
WheelProtoform Sat 19:50

-_-
Sat 19:50

asv change back :/
Moderator Sat 19:50

ASV votes to lynch Electrolysis
BowlOfDicks Sat 19:50

i don't agree, electro, i've always outlined my logic and been consistent with it
ChangeOfHeart Sat 19:50

wheel you should be on dave because you repeat so often
WheelProtoform Sat 19:51

just let it be salty coven.
ASV Sat 19:51

We've still got an hour left. I think Electrolysis is the better vote.
BowlOfDicks Sat 19:51

haha, ok, that was a good one changeofheart
WheelProtoform Sat 19:52

If you had any interest helping the village you wouldn't vote the fking grave reader^^
ChangeOfHeart Sat 19:53

if you had any interest helping the village you wouldn't vote what the fking undead tell you to do^^
WheelProtoform Sat 19:53

Look let's make it easy
Sat 19:53

Bowl of Dicks blocks me and we lynch Electro
Sat 19:53

deaal?
BowlOfDicks Sat 19:53

i fully intend to block wheel tonight
Electrolysis Sat 19:53

*definitly no condescending tone*
ChangeOfHeart Sat 19:53

how about bowlofdicks blocks you and we lynch villager?
Electrolysis Sat 19:54

haha
ChangeOfHeart Sat 19:54

and electro kills you or asv tonight
Sat 19:54

deal?
WheelProtoform Sat 19:54

that's again relying on Electro keeping his word
Sat 19:54

while my version needs no promises at all
Sat 19:54

that's the whole point
ChangeOfHeart Sat 19:54

and i think that he will
BowlOfDicks Sat 19:54

i agree that patronising isn't the way to go about this. changeofheart, i still don't understand why would you want to buy the vampire time to get an extra recruit, can you explain your logic to me?
ChangeOfHeart Sat 19:54

that relies on bowlofdicks not being undead
WheelProtoform Sat 19:55

Bowl he's salty, that's it.
ChangeOfHeart Sat 19:55

bowlofdicks because he obviosuly doesn't have a recruit
WheelProtoform Sat 19:55

so there's an Undead Blocker role now too?
BowlOfDicks Sat 19:55

yet, but he will soon
WheelProtoform Sat 19:55

VILLAGER
BowlOfDicks Sat 19:55

if we let him live
WheelProtoform Sat 19:55

omg, so much salt in your head. You can't think straight
ChangeOfHeart Sat 19:55

wheel shut up
Electrolysis Sat 19:55

here we go again
ChangeOfHeart Sat 19:55

you know what i meant
Sat 19:55

he doesn't have the ability to recruit
WheelProtoform Sat 19:56

SHANED, we lynch electro and Bowl blocks me. Best solution.
ChangeOfHeart Sat 19:56

and we can lynch him before he gets it back
BowlOfDicks Sat 19:56

again, he doesn't have the ability to recruit yet, but letting him live one more night gives him the time to do that if he's lied about how many recruits he already has
WheelProtoform Sat 19:56

WITH BOWL BLOCKING ME, THERE ARE NO SURPRISED
ChangeOfHeart Sat 19:56

SHANED we don't listen to the undead even bester solution
BowlOfDicks Sat 19:56

sorry, how many familiars he already has, not recruits
Electrolysis Sat 19:56

where are landfilla dn shaned anyway?
Sat 19:56

I thought they are the most lit ones
BowlOfDicks Sat 19:56

they are, they've both been quiet today
ChangeOfHeart Sat 19:57

its weekend maybe they have lives
BowlOfDicks Sat 19:57

changeofheart, can you see how giving the vampire an extra night gives him a chance to recruit?
ChangeOfHeart Sat 19:57

no
Sat 19:57

if he could recruit tonight he would have recruited last night
Sat 19:57

simple
BowlOfDicks Sat 19:57

i'm not saying he can recruit tonight
ChangeOfHeart Sat 19:58

so he can't recruit tomorrow
BowlOfDicks Sat 19:58

his abiltiies will refresh tomorrow night (night 14) which will give him one more recruit
ChangeOfHeart Sat 19:58

sorry so we lynch him tomorrow
Sat 19:58

and then he cant recruit tomorrow
WheelProtoform Sat 19:59

my feeling tells me you'll help him again tomorrow.
Electrolysis Sat 19:59

KIRSCHSTEIN; PLEASE dig Solo
WheelProtoform Sat 19:59

you and lurker are so mad at me you're foaming already
ChangeOfHeart Sat 19:59

wheel i already promised asv if you leave him alive tonight i'll lynch him tomorrow if you want
WheelProtoform Sat 19:59

FoammOfHeart
Sat 20:00

Ok I may have not been clear enough
ChangeOfHeart Sat 20:00

that would be funny if it wasn't so wrong
BowlOfDicks Sat 20:00

but once again that relies on trusting a known evil to kill who he says he will. if he does, fantastic, but if he doesn't, he can really move things to his advantage
WheelProtoform Sat 20:00

I don't give a damn about promises in a game where everything is about lying.
ChangeOfHeart Sat 20:00

and i find it insulting you assume you know me when you know nothing about me
WheelProtoform Sat 20:00

DON'T MAKE PROMISES
Sat 20:00

I make no promises, I say block me.
Sat 20:00

There's is again no promises involved
Sat 20:01

You say "but undead can do X"
Sat 20:01

yeah well, one can read the gy, and one can get dead intel. But feel free to block the intel dude. You won't get any surprises
ChangeOfHeart Sat 20:01

what about the 3rd?
WheelProtoform Sat 20:01

What's your argument against lynching Electro and blocking me?
Sat 20:02

he's dead jim.
ChangeOfHeart Sat 20:02

i don't believe oyu
BowlOfDicks Sat 20:02

i think the third is kirschsetup or unfamiliarguy
WheelProtoform Sat 20:02

OK you seriously think we have some super master role?
ChangeOfHeart Sat 20:02

why not
BowlOfDicks Sat 20:02

leaning towards it being kirschsetup right now
WheelProtoform Sat 20:02

`which will revive the whole GY as zombies and devour the world?
ChangeOfHeart Sat 20:03

i think your doing what every one else has done this game and trying to appear harmless when your not
WheelProtoform Sat 20:03

Bowl can block me over and over again
Sat 20:03

I WILL BE BLOCKED
Sat 20:03

-_-
BowlOfDicks Sat 20:03

i agree with you there changeofheart, but that's exactly what electro is doing too, and i can't block him
Electrolysis Sat 20:03

Still shur BoD is not an undead, CoH? xD
WheelProtoform Sat 20:03

next you gonna accuse me of being night immune?
BowlOfDicks Sat 20:03

as you've seen, i can definitely block people
Electrolysis Sat 20:03

*sure
BowlOfDicks Sat 20:04

i keep saying, just because i agree with someone, doesn't mean i have to be on their team
ChangeOfHeart Sat 20:04

look i just want the undeads gone asap because i don't know what they are capable of and i dont trust them to tell us
WheelProtoform Sat 20:04

BowlOfBrain, the only one thinking straight here.
ChangeOfHeart Sat 20:04

i know what a vm can do
Sat 20:04

so i'd rather keep around the predictable thing than the unpredictable thing
WheelProtoform Sat 20:04

vm can win the game within few rounds.
BowlOfDicks Sat 20:05

but we know what the vampire is capable of and we can stop it. we've also seen a lot of evidence that the undead can't consistently kill and they can be blocked, whereas we know that isn't the case with the vampire
Sat 20:05

the predictable thing is the vampire gets one villager closer to winning for themselves
Electrolysis Sat 20:06

*tries to unjam repeat button*
ChangeOfHeart Sat 20:06

bowl the key word for me in your sentence is consistently
BowlOfDicks Sat 20:06

the same logic you're applying to trust the vampire can be applied to trust me to block, with the added bonus that i've been seen to block evils consistently in the game, whereas the vampire hasn't killed any of the ones he suspects to be evil
WheelProtoform Sat 20:06

COH I APOLOGIZE TO THE COVEN TEAM, I APOLOGIZE TO LURKER, I APOLOGIZE TO ARMORED, I APOLOGIZE TO ILLUMINATI, MASONS, VILLAGERS, WOLVES, DEMONS AND FLUFFY BEARS. but please get off the salt wagon CoH -_-
Sat 20:07

ps. especially the fluffy bears, they didn't deserve to be slaughtered.
ChangeOfHeart Sat 20:07

wheel this has nothing to do with anything that happened previously
WheelProtoform Sat 20:07

I still think it does :/
ChangeOfHeart Sat 20:07

i think keeping entro alive is the best play for the village but you just want to make it into something its not
WheelProtoform Sat 20:08

META BINGO
Sat 20:08

YOU WIN
BowlOfDicks Sat 20:08

don't you agree that less deaths at night is better for the village?
WheelProtoform Sat 20:08

BING BING BING BING
Sat 20:08

we got a WINNNER
ChangeOfHeart Sat 20:08

bowlofdicks no i don't
BowlOfDicks Sat 20:08

we can then control the deaths through lynching instead of leaving it to a single, proven evil
ChangeOfHeart Sat 20:08

i think that if entro kills evils and i think he will then thats better for the village
WheelProtoform Sat 20:09

dude, you don't get double meta points for saying ENTRO twice.
ChangeOfHeart Sat 20:09

to me entro basically a militia right now
BowlOfDicks Sat 20:09

the more deaths at night, the sooner a faction can gain the majority
WheelProtoform Sat 20:09

also no tripple bonus
ChangeOfHeart Sat 20:09

electro sry
Sat 20:09

autocorrect ^^
Electrolysis Sat 20:09

Srsly?
BowlOfDicks Sat 20:10

the difference between a militia and a vampire is we can't trust that the vampire has the village's interests in mind
Electrolysis Sat 20:10

oh
Sat 20:10

ah
Sat 20:10

lol
WheelProtoform Sat 20:10

It's not entro anyway
ChangeOfHeart Sat 20:10

you cant trust a militia to shoot right
Sat 20:10

but you trust that they'll do the best they can
BowlOfDicks Sat 20:10

i agree with you, but you know they don't have an alterior motive behind their kill
WheelProtoform Sat 20:10

I have to much respect of Electro do believe him :)
ChangeOfHeart Sat 20:10

and i think electro****** will do what he says
BowlOfDicks Sat 20:11

i don't understand why you think that
ChangeOfHeart Sat 20:11

i dont understand why you dont
Electrolysis Sat 20:11

spoiler alert: he's evil
BowlOfDicks Sat 20:11

because he's obviously an evil trying to buy himself more time and living longer makes it easier for him to win
ChangeOfHeart Sat 20:12

yea and it's easier for him to win by killing evils lol
BowlOfDicks Sat 20:12

yeah, easier for him, not easier for the village
WheelProtoform Sat 20:12

which is something you shouldn't like :)
ChangeOfHeart Sat 20:12

killing evils is good for the village too
BowlOfDicks Sat 20:12

if we can't control the kills we're at his mercy
ChangeOfHeart Sat 20:12

so i like it
BowlOfDicks Sat 20:12

but we have no guarantee he will kill evil at all
WheelProtoform Sat 20:13

Electro?
ChangeOfHeart Sat 20:13

maybe but i still think he will
BowlOfDicks Sat 20:13

your whole plan hinges on trusting a confirmed evil to act against his best interests
Electrolysis Sat 20:13

yes?
WheelProtoform Sat 20:13

Are you mad at me? :(
ChangeOfHeart Sat 20:13

bowlofdicks no its acting in his best interests
Sat 20:13

his interests align with that of the village
Sat 20:13

thats why i think he'll keep his word
BowlOfDicks Sat 20:13

they really don't, just as the undeads and covens don't
Electrolysis Sat 20:14

I think you should have more faith in the intelligence of other players, but that's all
Sat 20:14

ah, and that your whole faction worked perfectly together to out me
WheelProtoform Sat 20:14

I have very much faith in your intelligence, that's why I want you dead ;)
Sat 20:14

It wasn't us.
Sat 20:14

It was bowl who outed you
BowlOfDicks Sat 20:15

i don't have faith in you, electro, it's not a lack of faith in changeofheart's intelligence, and it's insulting that you would even say that
WheelProtoform Sat 20:15

we outed coven.
ChangeOfHeart Sat 20:15

bowlofdicks i dont know how you make the decisions you do but i always try and think about what i would do in the situations and in electros situation i would kill an undead so thats why i believe him
Electrolysis Sat 20:15

I thought you had faith in my intelligence?
WheelProtoform Sat 20:15

Look this is the same with armored. I didn't lynch armored because I think Armored is dumb, I lynch Armored because Armored is DANGEROURS.
BowlOfDicks Sat 20:16

please stop trying to make this personal, electro, this is all a game
ChangeOfHeart Sat 20:16

i agree this is the same as armored and i think we should have kept armored alive to
Electrolysis Sat 20:16

Apparently the most villagey of players were blind to this danger, Wheel?
WheelProtoform Sat 20:17

no, Armored got lynched.
Electrolysis Sat 20:17

sorry, for me the most villagey people are Shaned and landfill
ChangeOfHeart Sat 20:17

wheel i wanna do a deal with you
Sat 20:17

well
Sat 20:17

its more gambling really
WheelProtoform Sat 20:18

I'm listening, because comapred to other evils I make no promises ever. I just try to convince people of the way I think is right.
ChangeOfHeart Sat 20:18

you interested?
ASV Sat 20:18

CoH: To be fair, your reason for wanting Armored alive is a bit biased given you're in the same faction.
ChangeOfHeart Sat 20:18

i'm not coven!!
ASV Sat 20:19

Neither was Lurker, until he was when he admited it last night.
WheelProtoform Sat 20:19

I never promise things in games.
ChangeOfHeart Sat 20:19

whatever i think we should do some gambling
WheelProtoform Sat 20:20

*listens*
Electrolysis Sat 20:20

really hoping certain villagers show up ...
BowlOfDicks Sat 20:20

i would say you already are with keeping a vampire alive, but this should be interesting
ChangeOfHeart Sat 20:21

wheel i ask you 1 question and if you get the answer right i'll vote electro and try to convince every one else to do the same and if you get it wrong then you lynch villager or asv (i dont care which) instead
WheelProtoform Sat 20:22

oh boy.
Sat 20:22

I feel a bit under pressure
Electrolysis Sat 20:22

this better be hard
WheelProtoform Sat 20:23

"the purpose of life" probably
Electrolysis Sat 20:23

inb4 what's in my pocket
WheelProtoform Sat 20:23

Is it long and hard?
Sat 20:23

sry...
BowlOfDicks Sat 20:23

ok, wasn't expecting that, don't really agree with it (you should vote based on logic, not luck), but it's not my call
ChangeOfHeart Sat 20:23

so do you agree to the gamble?
WheelProtoform Sat 20:24

I can't because it would mean I promise to change my vote. But I don't make promises.
ChangeOfHeart Sat 20:24

shame but i understand
BowlOfDicks Sat 20:25

ok, curiosity has gotten the better of me, out of interest, what was the question?
WheelProtoform Sat 20:25

Electro, if we don't lynch you, will you still kill us?
ChangeOfHeart Sat 20:25

bowl i cant tell you without you agreeing to the gamble
WheelProtoform Sat 20:25

Because you have to understand I can't change my vote as long as you gonna kill me. Because that's not so good for me.
Electrolysis Sat 20:25

yes
WheelProtoform Sat 20:26

shame :(
Electrolysis Sat 20:26

i already offered to kill UnfamiliarGuy or BoD
WheelProtoform Sat 20:26

why bod?
Electrolysis Sat 20:26

but apparently not everyone is convinced that they are undead
WheelProtoform Sat 20:26

I see no chance in BoD being undead. But I'm not the right person for that.
BowlOfDicks Sat 20:27

i agree unfamiliarguy is a reasonable suspect for undead, though i would replace me with kirschsetup
Electrolysis Sat 20:27

because he somehow always ends up arguing for your point
WheelProtoform Sat 20:27

he likes logic XD
Sat 20:27

same @bowl
ChangeOfHeart Sat 20:27

the thing i dont get about bowl is that he claimed to have blocked electro
BowlOfDicks Sat 20:27

are we tied at the moment?
Electrolysis Sat 20:27

I'm sorry, but I counterclaim logic
WheelProtoform Sat 20:27

I don't think bowl should be ont he list. Put kirsch there.
BowlOfDicks Sat 20:28

i have, changeofheart, twice
Electrolysis Sat 20:28

nah
Sat 20:28

he looks like lit GD to me
ChangeOfHeart Sat 20:28

but even if electro is vm he would still have got the roleblock messages
WheelProtoform Sat 20:28

ne he doesnt
Sat 20:28

it's the only role who doesnt
BowlOfDicks Sat 20:28

no, vampire master doesn't get the message
ChangeOfHeart Sat 20:28

so why would have made up fake checks instead of just saying he was roleblocked
Sat 20:28

he does
BowlOfDicks Sat 20:28

neither does succubus
WheelProtoform Sat 20:28

because the action never takes place
Electrolysis Sat 20:29

vamp just doesn't notice blocks
WheelProtoform Sat 20:29

he doesn't
ChangeOfHeart Sat 20:29

pretty sure every one gets the message
Electrolysis Sat 20:29

I think puppets don't either?
ChangeOfHeart Sat 20:29

because i got it as a succubus once
BowlOfDicks Sat 20:29

even electro is agreeing that they don't see the notifications
WheelProtoform Sat 20:29

Puppets and Vamp/VM
ChangeOfHeart Sat 20:29

rly?
WheelProtoform Sat 20:29

rly :)
ChangeOfHeart Sat 20:30

but coven do?
Sat 20:30

isnt that a bit inconsistent?
Shaned Sat 20:30

Why don't we just just lynch unfamiliar?
Sat 20:30

I need to vote today
BowlOfDicks Sat 20:30

i will concede the point on the succubus then since your experience trumps mine, never been a succubus
WheelProtoform Sat 20:30

yes. VM/Vamp is immune to everything at night. Also Succu
Sat 20:30

Shaned, you've read my suggestion?
Sat 20:30

Bowl will block me.
Shaned Sat 20:30

Why don't we just lynch unfamiliar
Electrolysis Sat 20:30

please vote ASV
Shaned Sat 20:30

Could you rerun over it please?
WheelProtoform Sat 20:31

So village is afraid of me doing shit tonight.
Shaned Sat 20:31

I've been quite busy today
WheelProtoform Sat 20:31

So we lynch Electro and Bowl blocks me
BowlOfDicks Sat 20:31

because we don't actually know what unfamiliarguy is, it's speculation
WheelProtoform Sat 20:31

This way I can't do any "undead shenanigans"
Sat 20:31

what ever that is. So we got a night without kill and I'm blocked.
Electrolysis Sat 20:32

I am VM, confessed and all (I think my confession is worth reading) and want village to win, mainly I'm pissed at undeads for targeting me down like they did
ASV Sat 20:32

Electrolysis: to be fair, I outed everyone not just you.
Electrolysis Sat 20:32

So yeah, I suggest that I kill undeads for the village
WheelProtoform Sat 20:32

It's the best solution for village since, you wont get a coven surprise, and you still get rid of the vamp.
BowlOfDicks Sat 20:32

some want the vampire to kill undead tonight, the rest don't trust he'll do that and think it's a ploy to buy time before the ability refresh to get another recruit under his belt
Electrolysis Sat 20:32

I think the village can make good use of my killing power, the undead suffer, and maybe the inquisition even wins
WheelProtoform Sat 20:32

I think you can trust bowl since he uncovered the Vamp
Sat 20:33

with his blocks
Sat 20:33

ps. us dying doesn't prevent our night actions
ASV Sat 20:33

Electro still hasn't explained why if they think undead has some killing machine that he wants to kill of the one that obviously isn't the killer.
WheelProtoform Sat 20:33

so blocking us is way safer.
Electrolysis Sat 20:33

sigh
WheelProtoform Sat 20:33

With bowl and shaned, you can get rid of all evil
Sat 20:33

shaned can go for coven, and bowl can block undead
Electrolysis Sat 20:34

@Shaned, I accuse those 3 to be undeads, so they just keep talking -.-
ChangeOfHeart Sat 20:34

wheel why do you think bowl is village?
BowlOfDicks Sat 20:34

i personally think the lynch order should be electro, villager, wheel, asv, then after the confirmed evils are gone, the remaining coven and undead or me if people still don't trust me by then
Electrolysis Sat 20:34

those 3 = Wheel, ASV, BoD
WheelProtoform Sat 20:34

because he outed Electro, how else would he have done it?
ASV Sat 20:34

And as an added bonus, I've pointed out before - vamps win by absolute parity with non-vamps. Coven/Undead win with lynching all other evil factions. Shaned and Landfil being alive means that village has to win becuase they can just keep lynching undead/coven alternating (to prevent each of them from winning) all the way down to a 3-way with Landfill/Shaned/<anyone> if needed.
WheelProtoform Sat 20:34

BOD on that list makes no fking sense
Electrolysis Sat 20:35

I really think that UnfamiliarGuys is udnead too, as he more or less sniped in favor of the undead
WheelProtoform Sat 20:35

also what ASV says, Vamp is the only faction who wins vs other evils in parity
Electrolysis Sat 20:35

I think I'm an honorable person, and will keep my word, the undead , unsruprisingly, say that I will kill villagers (for whatever reasons)
WheelProtoform Sat 20:35

It's basically the easiest win condition
BowlOfDicks Sat 20:36

my suspicion for the remaining evils at this point are unfamilarguy and kirscsetup being undead or familiar, though i'm not sure which is which, lurker and changeofheart as coven (lurker is a definite evil, forgot him in my list above)
WheelProtoform Sat 20:36

of all evil
Sat 20:36

Listen to bowl guys.
BowlOfDicks Sat 20:36

electro's entire argument for me being evil is that i happen to agree with the two confirmed undead
Sat 20:36

anyway, that looks like a pretty good summary of the day to me, any questions shaned?
ASV Sat 20:37

Electrolysis: I say that you'll kill evils because you've spent 12 nights doing it. If you wanted us dead, you'd have killed us the last 2 nights since we admitted being undead after the SoSlowww incident.
Sat 20:37

you'll kill villagers *
BowlOfDicks Sat 20:37

can anyone confirm we're tied at the moment?
Sat 20:38

it's hard to tell with the multiple votes from the same person
WheelProtoform Sat 20:38

@Bowl you know I'm evil and stuff, But I really appreciate your logic and your train of thought. I know means nothing coming from some evil but still wanted you to know :)
Shaned Sat 20:38

Electrolysis is 5 to ASV 4
Electrolysis Sat 20:38

Yeah, if I was you I would be really really hoping so
Sat 20:38

WUt
WheelProtoform Sat 20:38

it's 4-4 I think?
BowlOfDicks Sat 20:38

yeah, but i think cahoots changed his vote to villager and it hasn't updated the number, making it 4-4
WheelProtoform Sat 20:39

cahtoos vote is bugged and stacked on two people
Electrolysis Sat 20:39

yeah, it's 4 - 4
BowlOfDicks Sat 20:39

ok, yeah, so it's 4-4 right now
Sat 20:39

a tie is probably the worst outcome for us here
Moderator Sat 20:39

ChangeOfHeart votes to lynch ASV
WheelProtoform Sat 20:39

well lynching the Gravereader is worse.
ChangeOfHeart Sat 20:39

now its unbalanced
Shaned Sat 20:39

I personally want to vote an undead. I mean... I actually kinda trust him more. But I'd rather vote another undead than ASV and Wheel because they electro is a good opposing voice. And getting rid of electro allows undead day chat influence7
WheelProtoform Sat 20:40

?
Sat 20:40

what do you mean?
Shaned Sat 20:40

If we're confident Unfamiliar is undead. I'd pop him first
BowlOfDicks Sat 20:40

i want to kill undead too, but vampires are a bigger threat right now
Sat 20:40

and we're not confident about unfamiliarguy at the moment
Shaned Sat 20:40

Hmmm True
ASV Sat 20:40

Oh and Shand: for extra info for you in case you missed it, ChangeOfHeart is coven according to Spud in the GY. Thought you should know that for when you need it.
BowlOfDicks Sat 20:40

i actually think it's more likely to be kirschsetup at this point
Shaned Sat 20:41

But I fear if we do lynch vamp, it can quite easily turn into a shit fest of undead vs coven.
Electrolysis Sat 20:41

exactly
WheelProtoform Sat 20:41

shaned, you can change that
BowlOfDicks Sat 20:41

i think we can handle that better than a vampire with an extra recruit
WheelProtoform Sat 20:41

but you can't do anything vs vamp
Shaned Sat 20:41

If there is an undead coven kill role that refreshs at s14 then i'm fucked
WheelProtoform Sat 20:41

YOU personally can change it
Electrolysis Sat 20:41

the village needs me ti kill undead
ASV Sat 20:41

Shaned: Lynching us and them alternating stops either of us winning. Or just lynch us and you kill coven at night
BowlOfDicks Sat 20:41

i can't stop any kills from the vampire, i can try to stop the undead
Shaned Sat 20:41

I can only rid coven, but only every 2 days
WheelProtoform Sat 20:42

more than you can do vs vamp :)
Shaned Sat 20:42

I have no effect on undead and I don't know undead numbers
Sat 20:42

and that worries mwe
BowlOfDicks Sat 20:42

we can try and stem the tide of deaths by blocking wheel until we lynch him
WheelProtoform Sat 20:42

aye.
Electrolysis Sat 20:42

yeah
BowlOfDicks Sat 20:42

my current theory is that wheel can kill if he consumes an evil, if i can block him that stops him
Shaned Sat 20:42

But if the Undead and Coven decided to kill the villagers that will unbalance things and considering d14 is upon us...
WheelProtoform Sat 20:42

Shaned, bowl can block me
ASV Sat 20:42

You can already kill Landfill right? kill him tonight, then tomorrow night hunt CoH, then kill him the following night. (And then for day lynches you've got Villager tomorrow, then me/wheel in whatever ordeR)
Shaned Sat 20:42

I'd rather deal with a threat I know than a threat I don't
Electrolysis Sat 20:43

Wheel, haven't you said that you are an intel role?
BowlOfDicks Sat 20:43

whereas we can't prevent the vampire from doing whatever they like
Landfill Sat 20:43

I've been out all day and need someone to explain why we're lynching vm instead of fam
Shaned Sat 20:43

ANd I don't know what the undead are capable of
WheelProtoform Sat 20:43

Shaned, coven and undead won't work together
ChangeOfHeart Sat 20:43

i agree with shaned
Sat 20:43

also i dont trust bowlofdicks
Electrolysis Sat 20:43

Shaned, I really want to help you guys
WheelProtoform Sat 20:43

SHane the threat you know is the vamp :)
ChangeOfHeart Sat 20:43

even if hes not undead theres no guarantee he'll block wheel
BowlOfDicks Sat 20:43

lynching vm prevents a kill happening tonight, landfill
Electrolysis Sat 20:43

Hi Landfill
Landfill Sat 20:43

Hi
ChangeOfHeart Sat 20:43

wheel seems to confident in suggesting that
ASV Sat 20:43

@Landfill to stop him killing tonight so that the village still maintains a majority stake in things.
BowlOfDicks Sat 20:43

and my blocks have been against evil the whole game
WheelProtoform Sat 20:43

?
Landfill Sat 20:44

And he can't hop until tomorrow?
WheelProtoform Sat 20:44

yes
Sat 20:44

it's the plan
Landfill Sat 20:44

*morning*
Electrolysis Sat 20:44

Yep
WheelProtoform Sat 20:44

Bowl will block me from doing stuff.
UnfamiliarGuy Sat 20:44

Thanks for the visit Landfill, I was getting lonely
Electrolysis Sat 20:44

wait for the snipe
Landfill Sat 20:44

Heeeey! I'm glad you sqaw me, unfam!
ChangeOfHeart Sat 20:44

well thats a plot twist
WheelProtoform Sat 20:44

guys, we need you two to get rid of the guranteed killing power
Electrolysis Sat 20:44

Landfill, did you anounce the visit?
BowlOfDicks Sat 20:44

yeah, whereas changeofheart wants to let the vampire loose tonight, we think he is coven and isn't bothered who wins at this point
Landfill Sat 20:44

I figured it unfam saw me, he wasn't turned
Sat 20:44

Nope
WheelProtoform Sat 20:44

@Unfam Electro wants to kill you
Electrolysis Sat 20:45

k
ASV Sat 20:45

Landfill: yes he can't hop until the morning.
BowlOfDicks Sat 20:45

oh, cool, that confirms unfamiliarguy in my mind then
WheelProtoform Sat 20:45

Landfill, Electro wants to kill Unfam
BowlOfDicks Sat 20:45

which would mean kirschsetup is the other evil from my point of view
Electrolysis Sat 20:45

No
Landfill Sat 20:45

Why kill unfam?
Electrolysis Sat 20:45

I PROMISED TO KILL AN UNDEAD
WheelProtoform Sat 20:45

he said it
Sat 20:45

may I quote you?
Electrolysis Sat 20:45

I kill any undead you like
UnfamiliarGuy Sat 20:45

He believes me to be undead
BowlOfDicks Sat 20:45

we were worried kirschsetup or unfamiliarguy is undead or familiar
Landfill Sat 20:45

Sorry, I literally just sat down
ChangeOfHeart Sat 20:45

landfill electrosys said he thought unfamiliarguy might be an undead
Sat 20:45

and so he would kill him
Electrolysis Sat 20:46

exactly
WheelProtoform Sat 20:46

It's a promise from a vamp vs a solid plan
Electrolysis Sat 20:46

haha
ChangeOfHeart Sat 20:46

but if you have proven that unfam is not turned or swapped or anything then he shouldn't be at risk
WheelProtoform Sat 20:46

the plan is to block me and lynch the vamp
Shaned Sat 20:46

Landfill. We have to deal with a devil. The undead or the Vamp
Electrolysis Sat 20:46

you spoiled the village's plan yesterday
WheelProtoform Sat 20:46

Electro what's not solid about it?
ChangeOfHeart Sat 20:46

wheel about as solid as fresh jelly
Shaned Sat 20:46

Personally better the devil you know than the one you don't
Electrolysis Sat 20:46

@Landfill you remember yesterday, right?
ChangeOfHeart Sat 20:46

oh this lag is terrible
WheelProtoform Sat 20:46

THE DEVIL YOU KNOW IS THE VAMP
Sat 20:46

ffs.
Landfill Sat 20:46

All right, everyone cool your jets
Electrolysis Sat 20:47

It's about to happen again
ChangeOfHeart Sat 20:47

yes and isn't that the saying
Sat 20:47

better the devil you know
BowlOfDicks Sat 20:47

guys, let them speak, i'd like to hear what they're thinking
WheelProtoform Sat 20:47

vamp is the best known devil
Sat 20:47

it's in the h2p
Landfill Sat 20:47

Do we believe Her_Her was undead?
BowlOfDicks Sat 20:47

we can discuss based on that then instead of just piling info on them
WheelProtoform Sat 20:47

ok Bowl. I follow your lead.
Electrolysis Sat 20:47

No idea
Sat 20:47

I think Her_Her was lit
BowlOfDicks Sat 20:47

i think i believe the illuminati claim, though it's possible
Landfill Sat 20:48

Well, unfam was with her, yeah?
Sat 20:48

And he retained his ability
ChangeOfHeart Sat 20:48

also i just noticed asvs sneaky comment
BowlOfDicks Sat 20:48

if you're vouching for him, then yes, he did retain
ChangeOfHeart Sat 20:48

shaned you should know that i'm coven according to spud who admitted i was coven today conveniently forgetting that asv already admitted yesterday that he can read gy chat
Landfill Sat 20:48

Yes, i visited him last night to see if he'd see me
Sat 20:49

I thought it a good way to somewhat sort the mess of fams
ChangeOfHeart Sat 20:49

i dont think her_her was undead
WheelProtoform Sat 20:49

Landfill plz...
ChangeOfHeart Sat 20:49

i think unfam is lit
BowlOfDicks Sat 20:49

that eliminates unfamiliarguy from my list of suspicions in that case
WheelProtoform Sat 20:49

Bowl can block me and we lynch the vamp
Electrolysis Sat 20:49

(although we know that undeads have a role that can steal roles from dead ppl and we know that an harlot is dead)
Landfill Sat 20:49

So Electro has it wrong, regardless
ASV Sat 20:49

CoH, it's entirely possible spud was lying to try and influence me, but that's really for Shaned to decide. I mean, you've not actually fucking done anything to prove yourself.
WheelProtoform Sat 20:49

electro is evil
Sat 20:49

like we are
Sat 20:50

but he's trying to sway you with promises
Electrolysis Sat 20:50

-.-
Sat 20:50

I tried to do good
BowlOfDicks Sat 20:50

correct, landfill, though to be fair i also suspected unfamiliarguy
Landfill Sat 20:50

As of now, without reading back, I want to eliminate the vamp threat
WheelProtoform Sat 20:50

I give no promises, I'll be blocked. You don't have to "trust" me
ChangeOfHeart Sat 20:50

asv i did everything i could i used my power 2 nights ago but nothing happened and now i cant use it again
ASV Sat 20:50

bullshit
Sat 20:50

Your power of reviving
ChangeOfHeart Sat 20:51

i got the message tonight you will reanimate storm and then in the morning no one was back alive
Electrolysis Sat 20:51

Landfill, why don't you want my help?
ASV Sat 20:51

"didn't work"?
WheelProtoform Sat 20:51

Landfill I'm undead, I'm evil and I will be blocked. You wont have to rely on any promisses
Shaned Sat 20:51

CoH, you power refreshes n14 though so...
Electrolysis Sat 20:51

It's an additional kill for you
Sat 20:51

I've outlined my motives in the morning
ChangeOfHeart Sat 20:51

yep i can try again then shaned
ASV Sat 20:51

And why is this the first time we're hearing this bs that it didn't work, I'm sure you claimed before you'd try the next day every day.
BowlOfDicks Sat 20:51

guys, please, let's try help those who have not had time to read the day make an informed decision instead of devolving into bickering again. are there any further questions, landfill or unfamiliarguy?
Landfill Sat 20:51

Frankly, I'm tired of elaborate plans falling apart
Electrolysis Sat 20:51

I genuinly try to help you,
Sat 20:52

sigh
Landfill Sat 20:52

I know we can't "trust" either faction
ASV Sat 20:52

There's not enough time to look back to prove it, but whatever I'll let someone else do that overnight to prove me right
Landfill Sat 20:52

I want vamp eliminated
WheelProtoform Sat 20:52

lynch vamp win game. Occams razor. it's the easiest and most reliable solution
Landfill Sat 20:52

If that means village gets engulfed by undead, that's a shit end
Sat 20:52

but a deserved one
Electrolysis Sat 20:52

Landfill, do you trust ChangeOfHeart?
Landfill Sat 20:53

Vamps have been hanging on by threads all game in favor of coven hunting
Sat 20:53

which I hate
UnfamiliarGuy Sat 20:53

I see the votes tied, who has the most? I need to vote and think Electro is the best lynch
ChangeOfHeart Sat 20:53

unfam
Sat 20:53

they are not tied
ASV Sat 20:53

The votes are tied
BowlOfDicks Sat 20:53

asv has the most at the moment
Landfill Sat 20:53

I think CoH is coven, that much i believe
WheelProtoform Sat 20:53

then vote electro
Electrolysis Sat 20:53

Landfill, I did not!
ASV Sat 20:53

It's 4-4
ChangeOfHeart Sat 20:53

asv has 5 and electro has 4
Landfill Sat 20:53

Done
Moderator Sat 20:53

Landfill votes to lynch Electrolysis
BowlOfDicks Sat 20:53

they are not tied, one of the votes for electro is actually on villager
Electrolysis Sat 20:53

We vampires didn't coven hunt! We knew they were dead
ASV Sat 20:54

Cahoots vote is doubled against me and Villager right now
WheelProtoform Sat 20:54

IT'S 4-4 WE NEED YOUR VOTES.
Moderator Sat 20:54

UnfamiliarGuy votes to lynch Electrolysis
Electrolysis Sat 20:54

It's the undead who lynched Armored yesterday
Shaned Sat 20:54

As NotCoven so eloquently put, as Landfills Hound... I'll go with the will of the Inquisition
ASV Sat 20:54

and now CoH is lying again -_-
ChangeOfHeart Sat 20:54

now they are tied
Landfill Sat 20:54

I meant in general, Electro
Shaned Sat 20:54

I'm sorry
BowlOfDicks Sat 20:54

i believe the one against villager is the one that counts
Moderator Sat 20:54

Shaned votes to lynch Electrolysis
Landfill Sat 20:54

It's 7-5 now
Moderator Sat 20:55

Shaned votes to lynch Electrolysis
ChangeOfHeart Sat 20:55

i think you guys are making a mistake
Landfill Sat 20:55

I know what happened, and I was pissed
Moderator Sat 20:55

Shaned votes to lynch Electrolysis
Electrolysis Sat 20:55

You are not acting in your best interest, Shaned
Landfill Sat 20:55

but now i'm going with my gut
ChangeOfHeart Sat 20:55

asv no i'm not
Landfill Sat 20:55

I've tried to make too many plans this game and seen them all fall to shit
Electrolysis Sat 20:55

no, I am being lynched
ChangeOfHeart Sat 20:55

i'm just a bit laggy
Shaned Sat 20:55

We nail an Undead tomorrow.
Sat 20:56

Yea I voted 4 minutes ago... L A G
Electrolysis Sat 20:56

Pfft
Shaned Sat 20:56

STOP FUCKING US OVER @TheServer
Landfill Sat 20:56

We take out wheel tomorrow
Sat 20:56

The lag is definitely strong
Electrolysis Sat 20:56

why not let me kill one tonight and you lynch me tomorrow???
Moderator Sat 20:56

New snipe vote prevention meta confirmed
BowlOfDicks Sat 20:56

i personally think we need to vote villager off tomorrow and wheel the day after, since that will be electro and we can't let him get to night 14 to be able to recruit, but we can have that discussion then
Landfill Sat 20:56

No matter what we do, one evil gets another night
ChangeOfHeart Sat 20:57

it's now 7 votes on electro and 5 on asv
Electrolysis Sat 20:57

yeah, but I want to help you, they don't
ChangeOfHeart Sat 20:57

landfill cant you see that undead are just trying to scare you into keeping them alive?
Electrolysis Sat 20:57

that's why they stopped the revive yesterday
Landfill Sat 20:57

I'm not doing this because of undead, CoH
Sat 20:57

It's my gut
ChangeOfHeart Sat 20:58

i think thats a bad reason
Electrolysis Sat 20:58

Sorry for NotCoven
Landfill Sat 20:58

My gut said kill a vamp yesterday, and it says it again today
ChangeOfHeart Sat 20:58

electro has said he'll kill an evil tonight
BowlOfDicks Sat 20:58

i keep saying the same thing, landfill, there seems to be an assumption that if you agree with asv or wheel you must be undead
ChangeOfHeart Sat 20:58

why would you not want that?
Landfill Sat 20:58

It's not even retribution, Electro
BowlOfDicks Sat 20:58

again, because we can't trust electro will do as he said
Electrolysis Sat 20:58

i know
Landfill Sat 20:58

Too many evils saying I'll kill an evil for you, Landfill
Electrolysis Sat 20:58

still sorry
Landfill Sat 20:58

No more
ChangeOfHeart Sat 20:58

so bowlofdicks will block wheel tonight then?
BowlOfDicks Sat 20:58

yes, i will
Landfill Sat 20:59

I trusted thaty you would, CoH, I don't trust that everyone would
ChangeOfHeart Sat 20:59

i can't kill i can only revive sadly
Moderator Sat 20:59

Daylight is almost spent...
Landfill Sat 20:59

I trusted CoH, I trusted Armored, I'm suposed to trust BoD, I'm supposed to trust Electro
Sat 20:59

ffs
Lynched Sat 21:00

Electrolysis was lynched by the village
Moderator Sun 09:00

The cockerel stirs...

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