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Moderator Thu 09:01

redbear votes to lynch Villager
redbear Thu 09:02

Just an ASV because I didn't vote yesterday
Her_Her Thu 09:02

I was role-blocked last night.
Phantom Thu 09:02

NOOOOO!!!
Her_Her Thu 09:02

The illuminati believes redbear is a succubus
AutonomousSurfaceVehicle Thu 09:02

25% of players dead now. It's moving faster than I thought it would.
Her_Her Thu 09:03

And I shall reveal what I haven't...
AutonomousSurfaceVehicle Thu 09:03

HerHer - there's more than one of you? Or are you referring to yourself as "the illuminati"?
Her_Her Thu 09:03

Most of you think there isn't a point for illuminati because its a nearly total clone of the mason.
Phantom Thu 09:03

I recruited WITCH last night :(((((
Her_Her Thu 09:04

Well, we do have a hidden motive that I tried to conceal
AutonomousSurfaceVehicle Thu 09:04

say it
Her_Her Thu 09:04

And it is that we hate masons.
Thu 09:05

We have two win conditions
Thu 09:05

1. we have to lynch all evil doers (like the village's win condition)
Thu 09:05

2. We have to make sure that when village wins, there are only 0 or 1 masons left for us to win as well
Thu 09:05

We cannot kill them, we have to rely on lynching
Phantom Thu 09:06

!!!!!
Moderator Thu 09:07

Phantom votes to lynch Her_Her
Her_Her Thu 09:07

Now, since mason's numbers have dwindled, and there's a possibility that phantom isn't even lit, the illuminati has decided to reveal this detail, in hopes you will see more purpose in our existence
AutonomousSurfaceVehicle Thu 09:07

haha
Thu 09:08

so.. you were able to recruit?
Her_Her Thu 09:08

No, I was roleblocked
AutonomousSurfaceVehicle Thu 09:08

not last night
Thu 09:08

I mean before that
Thu 09:08

you keep talking about yourself as plural
Her_Her Thu 09:08

Well, I will be a group soon, hopefully
Moderator Thu 09:09

AutonomousSurfaceVehicle votes to lynch Her_Her
AutonomousSurfaceVehicle Thu 09:09

something's not adding up
Her_Her Thu 09:09

What's not adding up?
Moderator Thu 09:09

Her_Her votes to lynch redbear
AutonomousSurfaceVehicle Thu 09:09

you're being weird about shit that doesn't need to be weird
Her_Her Thu 09:09

Redbear is very likely the succubus, we have intel against him.
AutonomousSurfaceVehicle Thu 09:09

EITHER EXPLAIN "WE" OR STOP SAYING IT
Her_Her Thu 09:10

I'll stop.
Thu 09:10

I have intel against redbear. He's likely the succubus. Better?
AutonomousSurfaceVehicle Thu 09:11

no
Thu 09:11

not really
Thu 09:11

how does one person who can only recruit have intel?
Her_Her Thu 09:12

Its my responsibility to knows things, and I just know he is probably a succubus. I don't want to reveal the methods, that would make it easy to counter
AutonomousSurfaceVehicle Thu 09:13

nah
Thu 09:13

not good enough
Thu 09:13

"I'm a new role that no-one else knows exists but I can't prove it and I won't reveal everything about it.. but I'm village, honest"
Thu 09:13

sorry
Her_Her Thu 09:14

Have you claimed? Have you revealed everything about yourself?
AutonomousSurfaceVehicle Thu 09:14

I'm not claiming to have "intel"
Her_Her Thu 09:14

But you are accusing me
AutonomousSurfaceVehicle Thu 09:14

based on intuition
Thu 09:14

yes
WeKillAlot Thu 09:15

Cuz you sound fishy and having unclear role
Thu 09:15

Me myself also wanna hear H_H explain
Spud Thu 09:15

I've been thinking, after the story update of last night, I think the new faction is the "Acolytes" or something, and Dory here is supposed to recruit witchcraft users.
AutonomousSurfaceVehicle Thu 09:15

inb4 "fishy" is new meme
Thu 09:15

oh Spud, that makes a lot of sense
Spud Thu 09:16

And the person that is supposed to be the secret power could be the "Elders"
Moderator Thu 09:16

Spud votes to lynch Her_Her
Her_Her Thu 09:16

Its not that secret -_- you've seen it before
Moderator Thu 09:16

WeKillAlot votes to lynch Her_Her
Her_Her Thu 09:17

You are lynching me for the fear of unknown, not for the fear of evil
AutonomousSurfaceVehicle Thu 09:17

so make more stuff known
Thu 09:17

remove as much of the fear as possible
WeKillAlot Thu 09:18

The most successful thing Evil does is make everyone do not believe Evil exist
Her_Her Thu 09:19

If thats what you believe, then why do I bother revealing anyway
Thu 09:19

If you're just going to accuse me because you think I'm trying to prove myself not evil
Thu 09:19

Which is what every rational villager would do
Moderator Thu 09:20

ArmoredSecurityVehicle votes to lynch Her_Her
Her_Her Thu 09:20

Good god...
Thu 09:20

Fine, fine, I'll tell
ArmoredSecurityVehicle Thu 09:20

The problem is that you keep changing your story slightly
Thu 09:20

you say we but there is only you
Her_Her Thu 09:21

I have a friend, who acts as an insomniac for the entire illuminati
Thu 09:21

Night 2, redbear and familiarguy visited me or him
Thu 09:22

Since familiarguy is dead, and an evil I trust wouldn't be such demotivated, then I think redbear is the succubus that redirected me to myself or to a coven
Thu 09:22

I've basically told you all everything
Thu 09:22

Are you happy now?
ArmoredSecurityVehicle Thu 09:22

is that your secret weapon that you talked about?
Her_Her Thu 09:23

Yes, it is, stop referring it to that stupid name please
ArmoredSecurityVehicle Thu 09:23

also basically... not actually
AutonomousSurfaceVehicle Thu 09:23

by "friend" you mean another player?
Thu 09:23

you don't need to tell us who
Her_Her Thu 09:23

Yes, I do
AutonomousSurfaceVehicle Thu 09:23

ok
Her_Her Thu 09:23

Thank you, I really don't want to reveal, he'll get roleblocked
Villager Thu 09:23

I was roleblocked
Her_Her Thu 09:23

I was roleblocked too
Villager Thu 09:24

so unless we have 2+ DW, Dory is lying
Cahoots Thu 09:24

Ok, I'm here still haven't read everything, but I'll try to join in on some conversations so I won't have to read everything of today's chat later
Villager Thu 09:24

we could have 2+ DW though, happened
Her_Her Thu 09:24

Or you are lying, you haven't even claimed
Thu 09:24

That is true
Thu 09:24

With a game this size, its likely we have 2/2+ direwolf
Thu 09:24

So you guys aren't happy with my explanation?
AutonomousSurfaceVehicle Thu 09:25

villager - do you have any intel you could reveal that would help us trust your claim of being blocked? Anything we can check on
Her_Her Thu 09:25

I still have 5 votes on me ;-;...
Villager Thu 09:25

I don't have anything that helps
Thu 09:25

Why should I lie about being blocked?
Cahoots Thu 09:26

@HerHer I'm trying to find your claim, but I can't find it would you be so kind to repeat your claim?
AutonomousSurfaceVehicle Thu 09:26

to discredit HerHEr?
ArmoredSecurityVehicle Thu 09:26

Have you told us everything truthfully Her_Her?
Villager Thu 09:26

lol, I said there could be 2+ DW
AutonomousSurfaceVehicle Thu 09:26

sure
Thu 09:26

but others might not agree
ArmoredSecurityVehicle Thu 09:26

you won't change anything about what you've said in the future?
Her_Her Thu 09:26

@ASV everything except my friend's name
Moderator Thu 09:26

ArmoredSecurityVehicle votes to lynch Villager
Her_Her Thu 09:27

Let me just type out my claim according to my role description, changed slightly to avoid getting smited
Cahoots Thu 09:27

Sure thing
Villager Thu 09:27

Care to explain the vote, Armored?
ArmoredSecurityVehicle Thu 09:27

I was just moving it off Her_Her
Her_Her Thu 09:28

_________________________________________________________________
ArmoredSecurityVehicle Thu 09:28

it is nothing against you
Villager Thu 09:28

ok
Her_Her Thu 09:28

Role claim: IlluminatiLeader
Moderator Thu 09:28

WeKillAlot votes to lynch WheelProtoform
Her_Her Thu 09:28

My objectives:
Thu 09:28

1. Lynch all the evils
Thu 09:28

2. There must be 0 or 1 mason left alive at the end of the game for the Illuminati's victory
Thu 09:29

Once per night, I can recruit a village member into the illuminati
Thu 09:29

Illuminati share a blue night chat
Thu 09:29

I can recruit twice
Thu 09:29

If I try to recruit coven, familiar or masons, I will fail.
Villager Thu 09:29

0 or 1 ??
Her_Her Thu 09:29

If I try to recruit a werewolf or a vampire, I will die
Thu 09:29

Both are fine
AutonomousSurfaceVehicle Thu 09:30

villager - my guess behind the logic with that is that it's "at least parity"
Her_Her Thu 09:30

No, it must be 0 or 1
WeKillAlot Thu 09:30

Must not be more than 1 mason left alive
Her_Her Thu 09:30

We can't have them talking in secret
Spud Thu 09:30

Objective #2 seems a bit unfair, if you're recruited into the Illuminati, you won't win unless the Masons are dead? Also, I expected a different night chat colour
Villager Thu 09:30

strange wording
Her_Her Thu 09:30

We must be the only one allowed to talk at night
Thu 09:30

Our chat colour ts slightly paler
ArmoredSecurityVehicle Thu 09:31

this sounds like you don't win with the village
AutonomousSurfaceVehicle Thu 09:31

I wonder if new masons need illuminati to be dead also
Her_Her Thu 09:31

Well, if village doesn't win, I can never win
Villager Thu 09:31

probably
Her_Her Thu 09:31

I need village to win for us to win too
AutonomousSurfaceVehicle Thu 09:31

factions within factions is a cool idea..
Her_Her Thu 09:31

Does it make more sense now?
Han Thu 09:31

Pity the color blind
Spud Thu 09:31

I still think you're an Acolyte who has to recruit witchcraft users
AutonomousSurfaceVehicle Thu 09:31

just go over the "secret weapon" part again please?
Her_Her Thu 09:32

Thats all speculation tho, Spud
Han Thu 09:32

I'm gonna have a drink and digest all of this
Villager Thu 09:32

actually, my theory is if we lynch all the evil-doers, then Illuminati will win, village loses
Spud Thu 09:32

It is, but I just don't think your role makes sense
Her_Her Thu 09:32

My friend: He acts as an insomniac, who can see how visits the illuminati members at night
Villager Thu 09:32

assuming the condition #2 is satisfied
Her_Her Thu 09:32

No, my objective says that I have to wipe out most of the masons BEFORE the game ends
ArmoredSecurityVehicle Thu 09:32

villager that's what I was thinking to
Her_Her Thu 09:34

The game ends, the village wins, whether the illuminati wins is a different matter
Thu 09:34

We can win with the village
Thu 09:34

Or we can win without the village
Villager Thu 09:34

you obviously can't force village to lynch the lit mason for you to win
ArmoredSecurityVehicle Thu 09:34

do you think the drunks will get an ability before day 7 and if they do will they become drunk again after?
Villager Thu 09:34

you also don't have any kind of skill to kill the mason yourself
Han Thu 09:34

Your speculation involves being a wc user or not. You inclined to believe Shaned more than Hellhound yesterday despite agreeing with Hellhound the very first time. If GD comes up later and state Hellhound is legit WH, are you gonna change your tact again.
Cahoots Thu 09:34

I don't see how someone could make that shit up, nor have I heard of it before
Thu 09:34

So for now I'll believe the claim
AutonomousSurfaceVehicle Thu 09:35

Armor - the drunks will be used by mod to balance the game. If they become villagers it's probably because villagers have been dying. If they become anti-village it's because bad guys have been dying.
Cahoots Thu 09:35

Although I think it's a weird role
Her_Her Thu 09:35

Thank you
Han Thu 09:35

Seems like drunk still has no idea who they are yet
AutonomousSurfaceVehicle Thu 09:35

We can't trust what the ex-drunks say, because of course they'll claim to have been turned into villagers.
Villager Thu 09:35

ok, I think Dory could be good for the moment
AutonomousSurfaceVehicle Thu 09:35

Han - not quite. It's not in their interests to talk about it. It wasn't really in their interests to talk about it before, to be fair, they just didn't know it.
Villager Thu 09:35

we should lynch her and all the Illuminatis late game though
Thu 09:36

I don't think it's wise to lynch her right now
AutonomousSurfaceVehicle Thu 09:36

HerHer- if you get killed, can you teammate win without you?
Han Thu 09:36

Insomniac a buff role now?
Cahoots Thu 09:36

@everyone also consider the option that she has an evil role and changed the description of her role to make it look like she's a village-aligned role
AutonomousSurfaceVehicle Thu 09:36

Han - free intel always helps?
Villager Thu 09:36

@Cahoots that's what I think too mate
AutonomousSurfaceVehicle Thu 09:36

Cahoots - she's allowed to do that!?
Thu 09:36

:o
Villager Thu 09:37

I believe the #1: Win with village is bullshit
Han Thu 09:37

How is that a surprise
Thu 09:37

Anyway, up to you guys to give her benefit of doubts
Villager Thu 09:37

still, she seems more neutral than a more evil faction
Thu 09:37

so she could help us, for now
Han Thu 09:37

Masons will not like the idea that their numbers have to be reduced
Cahoots Thu 09:37

@AutonomousSurfaceVehicle: Why wouldn't she be allowed to do that. As long as she doesn't directly copy and paste the mod messages she can say whatever she wants
Her_Her Thu 09:38

Oh, for your reference, the night jez died, he didn't visit me
ASV Thu 09:38

The "win with village" bit sounds like the same bull that the hellhound tried to pull off in ext-100 when they were outed as a demon.
AutonomousSurfaceVehicle Thu 09:38

Cahoots - I was joking. Your suggestion that she might be lying is pretty much the most obvious thing in the world, isn't it?
ASV Thu 09:38

jsut saying.
AutonomousSurfaceVehicle Thu 09:38

like.. of course she might be lying, that's what we're talking about
Thu 09:38

"just consider that there might be some wolves we want to lynch, guys"
Thu 09:38

I'm cranky this morning
Han Thu 09:39

Alrighty, please quote the correct asv, seems all asvs acronym on play now.
Her_Her Thu 09:39

I've told you all the truth. No more changes. I don't know if I'm a WC-user or not. Thats beyond the point
Thu 09:39

And with 4 deaths per day, I do think you guys should stop focusing on me
Cahoots Thu 09:39

@AutonomousSurfaceVehicle I was merely stating that she if she's lying she probably hasn't invented the role herself, but changed the winning conditions, and so on.
AutonomousSurfaceVehicle Thu 09:39

ok, I thought that possibility was obvious, but maybe not
Cahoots Thu 09:40

Not everyone thinks along those lines ;)
Villager Thu 09:40

Let's pressure some lurkers who haven't talked
Her_Her Thu 09:40

Can you guys move your votes off me?
Villager Thu 09:40

btw, how many roleblock claim we got yesterday?
Han Thu 09:41

I'll balance it
Thu 09:41

Don't you worry
Moderator Thu 09:41

Han votes to lynch Villager
AutonomousSurfaceVehicle Thu 09:41

balance doesn't help
Thu 09:41

votes will move
Thu 09:41

chill out people it's not even 10am
Her_Her Thu 09:41

Yeah, but thanks anyway
AutonomousSurfaceVehicle Thu 09:41

I haven't moved my vote because I'm thinking
Thu 09:42

also feeling like I believe you more than anyone else seems to, but w/e
Her_Her Thu 09:42

Can I answer your doubts?
AutonomousSurfaceVehicle Thu 09:42

what doubts?
Han Thu 09:42

I have trust issue but that's me.
BowlOfDicks Thu 09:42

finally, a morning where I've caught up and can weigh in straight away
Han Thu 09:42

At least, you're not thinking with your D
Her_Her Thu 09:43

Because of the nature of my friend's role, can everyone tell me whether they visited me or not?
Thu 09:43

So we will know who the direwolf is
ASV Thu 09:44

I believe the role claim and most of the abilities, I'm just non-trusting of the win conditions right now.
TheServer Thu 09:44

hey hey
BowlOfDicks Thu 09:44

i'm going to come forward, i roleblocked her_her - I'm a new role called courtesan, which is a village-aligned roleblocker. i decided to use it because i didn't trust her illuminati claim, thought she might be a vampire, which it wouldn't work against (or succubus)
Han Thu 09:45

Ohh EFF that
ASV Thu 09:45

@BowlOfDicks good reference.
TheServer Thu 09:45

even if Her_her didn't lie about the objectives, there's still some other way to infer that
Han Thu 09:45

What? another graceful balance re-enactment
TheServer Thu 09:45

omg
Her_Her Thu 09:45

So... did you really roleblock me?
Cahoots Thu 09:45

The biggest problem I have with the role is why would a village role only win if some of the villagers get lynched?
AutonomousSurfaceVehicle Thu 09:45

VILLAGE ALIGNED ROLEBLOCKER
Her_Her Thu 09:45

I don't know? Ask mod after the game
AutonomousSurfaceVehicle Thu 09:45

I'm fucking hyped about that, if it's legit
ASV Thu 09:46

@Dory I take it that you're saying someone else visited you that you've not mentioned and you're looking to see who doesn't come forward to mention it?
Her_Her Thu 09:46

BowlofDicks, did you really visit me last night?
AutonomousSurfaceVehicle Thu 09:46

village aligned roleblock
Thu 09:46

love that role
BowlOfDicks Thu 09:46

yes, i did her_her
Her_Her Thu 09:46

Can you not role-block me tonight? I want to prove myself
Han Thu 09:46

Are you kidding me? You guys totally sold on this courtesan? This is like hearing 100 all over again
Cahoots Thu 09:47

@AutonomousSurfaceVehicle I don't recall her_her saying anything about village roleblocks?
TheServer Thu 09:47

coming back, I think that her #2 objective said she would win if there's only 0 or 1 mason left, BUT it doesn't say whether the rest of village would win along with the Illuminati, RIGHT?
ASV Thu 09:47

In case anyone is missing it - Courtesan was the claim that was made in ext-100 by the Direwolf when it was first introduced.
AutonomousSurfaceVehicle Thu 09:47

sounds more legit than "illuminati leader"
Thu 09:47

cahoots - she didn't.. so what?
Her_Her Thu 09:47

It says that I have to get rid of the masons BEFORE the game ends
Cahoots Thu 09:47

@TheServer!!
BowlOfDicks Thu 09:47

oh, i didn't know that asv, wondered what han was talking about
Her_Her Thu 09:47

Which means, the game ends normally whether or not masons are gone
BowlOfDicks Thu 09:47

he must have made it real then
Cahoots Thu 09:48

Ok, I'm fairly certain Dory's not village aligned
ASV Thu 09:48

It's certainly something I can imagine Mod doing.
Her_Her Thu 09:48

I've told you everything, and you are still suspicious of me
BowlOfDicks Thu 09:48

well i know her_her can't be a vampire or succubus now, but i'm still not 100% on the illuminati goals
Cahoots Thu 09:48

I don't see mod making a role where you have to kill your people in your own alignment
AutonomousSurfaceVehicle Thu 09:48

yeah tbh, I don't see what HerHer gives us that's special. Risk vs reward.. too risky.
Her_Her Thu 09:49

Well, how lit is Phantom?
Thu 09:49

How is he helping us?
BowlOfDicks Thu 09:49

i don't trust phantom either, as i said yesterday
Han Thu 09:49

Give me illuminati over c***cblocker anytime.
TheServer Thu 09:49

actually it's just my theory and I'm not sure if it's true, but we should keep an eye on her especially in the late game
AutonomousSurfaceVehicle Thu 09:49

what role is Phantom? Claimed mason?
Her_Her Thu 09:49

He created confusion yesterday with his vague answer to "the riddle"
Han Thu 09:49

Phantom is neither lit nor legit
Her_Her Thu 09:49

Which makes no sense btw
BowlOfDicks Thu 09:50

the other mason leader claims all conveniently died before they could verify each other too
Han Thu 09:50

But that's based on intuition
Her_Her Thu 09:50

If Phantom isn't lit nor legit, why are you lynching me for him?
Thu 09:50

What risk is there for me to survive?
AutonomousSurfaceVehicle Thu 09:50

the risk is that you're anti village
Han Thu 09:50

What is it that getting onto your goat?
Her_Her Thu 09:50

When my friend can protect village roles kind of by finding their killer or redirecter or roleblocker?
Han Thu 09:50

It's still early
Thu 09:50

It's balanced isn't it
TheServer Thu 09:51

however I quite believe the rest of Her_her's reveal, about redbear, and redbear was sketchy too
BowlOfDicks Thu 09:51

it is balanced right now and i haven't voted yet
TheServer Thu 09:51

so for now I'll go with redbear
Moderator Thu 09:51

TheServer votes to lynch redbear
TheServer Thu 09:51

at least pressure for his claim
Her_Her Thu 09:51

If I could be redirected, I'd like a succubus gone too.
AutonomousSurfaceVehicle Thu 09:51

wait
TheServer Thu 09:51

i think we can leave h_h for later of the game
AutonomousSurfaceVehicle Thu 09:52

shouldn't HerHer know that BowlofDicks visited her?
Han Thu 09:52

Were you redirected?
Her_Her Thu 09:52

My friend knows, i don't
AutonomousSurfaceVehicle Thu 09:52

oh no, her friend will know, but can't tell her til the following night
Thu 09:52

test?
Thu 09:52

losing messages here
Her_Her Thu 09:52

I am only responsible for recruiting, my friend is responsible for looking out
Han Thu 09:52

You're not having some whispers in the mind right now aye?
Thu 09:53

So I take it you will only know at night
Her_Her Thu 09:53

Well, I could get his code and translate it for you all, if he comes on time
Han Thu 09:53

So you would have gotten a code yesterday too innit?
Her_Her Thu 09:53

No, we hadnd't developed a code yesterday
Thu 09:54

We had only developed a code saying how many people visited us
Thu 09:54

THere are too many players, and my friend is busy
Thu 09:55

That was also why we trusted witch, it was because she got everything right.
Thu 09:55

I was indeed only visited by witch, landfill and hellhound that night
Cahoots Thu 09:56

@Her_Her. I missed the part where you explained what happens if you recruit someone successfully, do their roles change, do they keep their role?
TheServer Thu 09:56

but didn't you think about some new "evil harlot" role?
Her_Her Thu 09:57

Well, my friend was suspicious about that as well
Thu 09:57

Because I couldn't recruit her
Thu 09:57

Or if she had been recruited night 1
Thu 09:57

But we agreed it was likely she was lit
Thu 09:57

By recruited night 1, I mean recruited by vampires
Cahoots Thu 09:58

So my question: what happens to someone's role if you recruit them, Her_her
Her_Her Thu 09:58

They retain their role
Thu 09:59

That wasn't mentioned in my ability notes, but its likely
Thu 09:59

I am uncertain because it is the first time of this role being in the game
TheServer Thu 09:59

@Bowl have you roleblocked anyone else the nights before?
Cahoots Thu 10:00

I hate to be the one who has to ask everything, but what role did Bowl claim?
Han Thu 10:00

If based from the story, my theory would be your recruits most likely able to change to whatever, prolly roles or abilities or even faction. But that is just a theory.
BowlOfDicks Thu 10:00

i accidentally blocked familiarguy night 1, but nobody last night, as i hadn't had time to catch up on the game and don't want to use it without suspicion
Thu 10:01

courtesan, cahoots, it's a village-aligned role blocker
Thu 10:02

i blocked her_her last night as i was suspicious of her - i do believe she is illuminati now, though i don't know if we can 100% trust her claim of how the victory condition works for them, it kind of sounds like they might win instead of us if they wipe out the masons first
Cahoots Thu 10:02

I see, interesting!
Her_Her Thu 10:03

Well, I'd assume quite a bit of seers have checked me, if I were indeed a new neutral role, I'd assume they'd be screaming already
BowlOfDicks Thu 10:03

that's a fair point, assuming we have a seer or there's not another aspect to the role we're unaware of
Cahoots Thu 10:04

Unless your role is like a DW and you show up as a village-aligned role
Thu 10:04

But, that's just guessing and is in no way reliable
Her_Her Thu 10:04

That would be too overpowered
Han Thu 10:04

What would be too OP?
Cahoots Thu 10:04

Aren't hellhounds?
Thu 10:05

It's ext-200 after all
Her_Her Thu 10:05

hellhounds are immune to seer checks?
Cahoots Thu 10:05

No, but I'd consider them in top somewhat OP category
Her_Her Thu 10:05

Hellhounds have a master that can kill even vampires. I have no killing power :P
Cahoots Thu 10:05

top = the*
Her_Her Thu 10:06

But I understand your point
BowlOfDicks Thu 10:07

we can't rule out crazy overpowered roles in a special game like this, but we shouldn't just assume that's the case either
Her_Her Thu 10:07

BOD, can you not block me tonight?
BowlOfDicks Thu 10:07

i don't plan to tonight
Her_Her Thu 10:08

Thanks, I need to recruit to help out
TheServer Thu 10:08

i don't think illuminati being checked as village by seer is OP
Han Thu 10:08

In fact, Demons are OP if played right. Anyway, I dislike the fact that just because it's ext 200, we should fully embrace all new roles revelations. Gonna take it with truckload of salt
Thu 10:08

Question is whether there's a seer or not
Her_Her Thu 10:09

If there aren't any seers, we're probably f#cked already
TheServer Thu 10:09

in other words, I think if seer checks her_her then the result will most likely be village, but it doesn't prove anything
Cahoots Thu 10:09

One would assume there's a seer if not multiple
Her_Her Thu 10:10

Can I just say that if I'm checked as village by seer, I'm more lit?
Han Thu 10:10

Aren't we all made to get eff in this setup situation? It's a game of who will get it. (No pun intended)
ASV Thu 10:10

So, worth pointing out in case people missed it - Dory did claim that she could win without the village (09:34)...
Her_Her Thu 10:10

I meant village could win without me
Thu 10:10

I couldn't win without village
Thu 10:10

That was a typo
Thu 10:10

I'm sorry
Thu 10:11

If we win, it means village has won
Thu 10:11

If we lose, it doesn't necessarily mean village can't win either
AutonomousSurfaceVehicle Thu 10:12

I still think risk vs reward, it's worth lynching you
WheelProtoform Thu 10:12

I'm honestly done with her_her. Not sure if I wanna lynch her now, but not gonna believe a single word.
Her_Her Thu 10:12

Why?
WheelProtoform Thu 10:13

let's just ignore her and move on for the moment.
Her_Her Thu 10:13

Well, I'm happy if you guys don't lynch me :P, I can have more time to prove myself
WheelProtoform Thu 10:13

That whole affair has taken us days now without any progress.
AutonomousSurfaceVehicle Thu 10:14

right but who caused that delay?
WheelProtoform Thu 10:14

Her_Her
Shaned Thu 10:14

Okay... Not sure what's happened here. Werewolve uses WC. But isn't tagged on my village list. Have they changed how WH works?
Thu 10:15

Werewolf*
Her_Her Thu 10:15

Hmm... maybe it updates during night?
TheServer Thu 10:15

i think the red mark only updates on the next night?
AutonomousSurfaceVehicle Thu 10:15

that means there's been a swap
Thu 10:15

doesn't it?
Han Thu 10:15

Tag on village list?
Thu 10:15

Nah, you can only tonight
AutonomousSurfaceVehicle Thu 10:15

ok
Han Thu 10:15

can only see*
Thu 10:15

You're talking about the mark yeah?
BowlOfDicks Thu 10:16

i think the list updates at night, but you get the message straight away
TheServer Thu 10:16

the last time i was WH, when i checked a wc user, i couldn't see the red mark in the next day but only the next night
Shaned Thu 10:16

Yea I'm talking about the mark. G2k.
Han Thu 10:17

Display of marking comes at night
BowlOfDicks Thu 10:17

got to go, back either at lunch or evening, depending on time
TheServer Thu 10:18

oh hmmm
Han Thu 10:18

Redbear came on first thingin the morn to ASV
Her_Her Thu 10:18

I'd agree to pressure him
Han Thu 10:19

You know how some players once they asv they never come back. He looks like one
Shaned Thu 10:19

I don't know if it's been mentioned as I'm not able to read the whole thing. But we have 4 consistent kills each night. Multiple Wolf/Vamp Factions maybe?
Han Thu 10:19

But in case they lurk, it's not too bad to have vote on him
TheServer Thu 10:19

now I've just thought this, BoD said he accidentally blocked FamiliarGuy N1, but FamiliarGuy didn't said it, so... if BoD is not lying then FamiliarGuy should be evil
Her_Her Thu 10:19

FamiliarGuy hasn't been that active though...
Shaned Thu 10:20

I don't like assuming there's another because it's ext200 it draws suspicion and conversation away from relevant thoughts and ideas.
ASV Thu 10:20

I don't think FamiliarGuy spoke a word the whole game? They got smited.
Her_Her Thu 10:20

Its possible he missed it after we jammed the chat with messages
Thu 10:20

FamiliarGuy did visit me or my friend on Night 2 though.
Han Thu 10:21

There's laziness disease within the Village compound.
Her_Her Thu 10:21

Should we schedule a role-claim?
Han Thu 10:21

That's new info though
Her_Her Thu 10:22

Should we claim fam non-fam then?
Han Thu 10:22

I think my head jammed with new role each day.
Thu 10:22

How will that strat works compared to wc-non-wc?
AutonomousSurfaceVehicle Thu 10:22

HerHer, you said you'd told us everything
Her_Her Thu 10:22

I did
AutonomousSurfaceVehicle Thu 10:22

now you say FamiliarGuy visited you
Han Thu 10:22

I guess we sit on it and explore both strats properly
Her_Her Thu 10:23

I told you that in the morning
Moderator Thu 10:23

AutonomousSurfaceVehicle votes to lynch TheServer
Moderator Thu 10:23

AutonomousSurfaceVehicle votes to lynch Her_Her
AutonomousSurfaceVehicle Thu 10:23

you did?
ASV Thu 10:23

@Auto pretty sure that was mentioned already
AutonomousSurfaceVehicle Thu 10:23

I missed that
TheServer Thu 10:23

erm... her_her did say that
AutonomousSurfaceVehicle Thu 10:23

ok
Her_Her Thu 10:23

I'll just make things clear then
Thu 10:23

Night 1: Witch, Landfill and Hellhound
Thu 10:24

Night 2: RedBear and FamiliarGuy
Han Thu 10:24

I must have miss that as well, about Familiar guy visiting
ASV Thu 10:24

@Auto 09:21
Cahoots Thu 10:24

I don't feel like wc/non-wc claims help the village much
Han Thu 10:24

Oh blimey thanks ASV
Her_Her Thu 10:24

wc non-wc users gives vamps a chance at claiming WitchHunter
Thu 10:25

It happened with MrHyde :P
Han Thu 10:25

Sheeesh That Hyde
Thu 10:25

Lol
Thu 10:25

Okay, I'm actually late for my dinner date. I will be back after dinner.
Thu 10:26

Toodles
Her_Her Thu 10:26

Fam non-fam claims, on the other hand, will not give evils a chance to claim an intel role
Thu 10:27

I'm a bit exhausted, you guys please continue
ArmoredSecurityVehicle Thu 11:11

I feel like we should do a new vs old role claim
Her_Her Thu 11:28

I can support that
Thu 11:29

But wouldn't that narrow down my friend's identity?
AutonomousSurfaceVehicle Thu 11:30

you've already pointed out that "she" hasn't posted yet today
Thu 11:30

it's somewhat narrow
Moderator Thu 11:37

Electrolysis votes to lynch HatAss
Moderator Thu 11:37

Electrolysis votes to lynch redbear
Electrolysis Thu 11:42

ASV
Thu 11:43

and Mr Hyde was obvious but everyone who knew about him was dead
AutonomousSurfaceVehicle Thu 11:44

ASV on someone with 2 votes already?
Electrolysis Thu 11:47

well actually let me reclassify, (sorry I am just catching up)
Thu 11:48

I believe Her_Hers info for now but I don't trust that IL thing
Her_Her Thu 11:49

Maybe she has, I'm just not telling you the info yet
Thu 11:50

Or maybe she hasn't
Thu 12:00

So... can autonomous surface vehicle move votes on me? I think I already addressed your concern regarding whether redbear visited me or not
Thu 12:00

Then Han can vote for someone else as well
Thu 12:00

And we will be lynching RedBear
Thu 12:01

its possible that FamiliarGuy is the succubus instead, and we might have to consider that possibility, but redbear's behavviour is a bit sus
Thu 12:01

He doesn't contribute much
Thu 12:01

Move vote off me#
Thu 12:01

I messed that up
Thu 12:02

(Can auto move votes off me? I think I already addressed your concern about familiar guy visiting me)
Thu 12:02

And if you guys trust my info, I believe pressuring redbear is fair
Electrolysis Thu 12:03

doesn't seem to be much going on
AutonomousSurfaceVehicle Thu 12:07

I could move my vote for that reason
Thu 12:07

but I still have other reasons
Thu 12:07

I still think you're a good lynch candidate
Werewolf Thu 12:12

I will be back to read
Her_Her Thu 12:13

I think wolves, coven and vampire are greater concerns
Thu 12:13

There are four kills per night. We need to lynch evils. Stop focusing on me. You can deal with me later, if you really need to
Werewolf Thu 12:13

I promise
Electrolysis Thu 12:14

how do we know you have no killer friends
AutonomousSurfaceVehicle Thu 12:14

^
Her_Her Thu 12:14

Thats true, but how do you know I do have killer friends?
Thu 12:14

On the other hand, you know for a certainty that vampires and wolves can kill
Electrolysis Thu 12:14

by that logic the DW's aren't a target as they can't kill
Her_Her Thu 12:14

And four of us are dying every single night
Electrolysis Thu 12:15

or the coven aren't a target because they have limited killing power
Her_Her Thu 12:15

Well, thats true, but all these threats are definite. I am not a definite threat
Electrolysis Thu 12:15

how do we know that
AutonomousSurfaceVehicle Thu 12:15

but you're definitely out there as a weird role
Thu 12:15

no-one else is out there
Her_Her Thu 12:16

Just because you think my role is weird doesn't mean I'm 100% bad
Thu 12:16

I just wish you guys can stop focusing on me, and i will prove myself eventually
AutonomousSurfaceVehicle Thu 12:16

I'm happy with my vote
Thu 12:16

others can do whatever they want
Her_Her Thu 12:17

Thats not exactly a good reason, but okay
AutonomousSurfaceVehicle Thu 12:17

I gave a reason?
Thu 12:17

or you mean the one above?
Electrolysis Thu 12:17

if you were a 100% threat right now I wouldn't be balancing the vote
AutonomousSurfaceVehicle Thu 12:18

what I said isn't a reason to vote you, it's a reason why it's harder to look elsewhere
Her_Her Thu 12:18

I know, I am very happy with who Electrolysis is voting
Thu 12:18

I just think RedBear is a better lynch, thats all
Thu 12:22

If familiarguy came up as a non-succubus, then I'm pretty sure RedBear is coven
Thu 12:22

But, if we delay, then he might be swapped with a puppet.
Thu 12:24

I'm sure we have intel that can deal with that :P
KirschSetup Thu 12:24

Hey guys i checked jez last night she was militia
Her_Her Thu 12:24

He shifted...
Thu 12:24

Wait he didn't
Thu 12:24

What?
Thu 12:24

How?
ASV Thu 12:24

Militia?
Thu 12:25

Why on earth would they claim mason leader? Why on earth would Phantom agree with them?
Moderator Thu 12:25

ASV votes to lynch Phantom
Her_Her Thu 12:25

Witch kill + swap?
Moderator Thu 12:25

Her_Her votes to lynch Phantom
ASV Thu 12:25

I'm gonna do that for now.
Thu 12:25

Witch kill and swap 2 random non-coven roles?
Moderator Thu 12:25

KirschSetup votes to lynch Phantom
Her_Her Thu 12:26

Or... Jez was coven in the first place, and tried to frame me?
Thu 12:26

Since witch regenerate their abilities every seven days, its not that much of a waste against an unknown power
BeXIIder Thu 12:26

Hello
Her_Her Thu 12:26

and they can't be swapped, since Jez just died.
BeXIIder Thu 12:27

So much going on...
KirschSetup Thu 12:27

If she was swapped I would get another message like uknown i think
Her_Her Thu 12:28

If Jez was originally coven, then why would he make a hard riddle for Phantom?
Thu 12:28

Phantom might be on different teams as Jez?
Thu 12:28

Andd tried to blend into the mason leaders, while killing Jez that night?
ASV Thu 12:28

I guess old-jez could have been coven, then they witch-kill-swapped her into someone random who hadn't spoken and killed original jez then just said nothing about the swap
Thu 12:28

But in that case, Phantom is still sus
Her_Her Thu 12:29

I don't mind phantom being gone :P
BeXIIder Thu 12:29

Very odd
Her_Her Thu 12:29

Illuminati is better than mason :)
Thu 12:29

You don't need mason, come to illuminati!
BeXIIder Thu 12:29

I’m doubting Kirsch a bit, here.
DemonLord Thu 12:29

Have we verified Kirsch at all?
Her_Her Thu 12:30

Well, an early gd claim is very risky
Thu 12:30

Considering we should have multiple gravediggers
KirschSetup Thu 12:30

Hey stop poisoning their mind
Her_Her Thu 12:30

Yo Kirsch, can you give us all your checks?
BeXIIder Thu 12:30

Assuming he’s lit, though, Phantom is coven?
Her_Her Thu 12:30

I'd say wolf @XII
Thu 12:31

They didn't seem to coordinate well
BeXIIder Thu 12:31

Oh yeah, that would explain it better.
KirschSetup Thu 12:31

I cant read all the chats so i tried to help by playing my role let me know who do u want me to chek for tonight
Her_Her Thu 12:31

Kirch, please give us all your checks
Moderator Thu 12:32

BeXIIder votes to lynch Phantom
KirschSetup Thu 12:32

But dont waist ur lynch on me i can at least clear some doubts here
Her_Her Thu 12:32

Kirch what was your Night 2 check?
ASV Thu 12:32

KirschSetup said he checked Dead yesterday as ML and Jezebelthebun today as Militia - which suggests we killed the real Masons and let coven swap away their ml bait
KirschSetup Thu 12:32

Yesterday i cheked dead=mason leader
Her_Her Thu 12:32

Oh ok
KirschSetup Thu 12:32

Today i checked jezz =militia
Her_Her Thu 12:33

If gravediggers have counterclaims, kirsch is likely a puppet
Thu 12:33

But I distrust Phantom. He seems very uncontributive
BeXIIder Thu 12:33

So the Masons died with dead then.
KirschSetup Thu 12:33

Oh come on
Thu 12:34

Ok im going but let mw know at last minutes who to check for tonight
kang123 Thu 12:34

Hello! I have a few minutes today. I'll catch up in a few, need to read back.
Her_Her Thu 12:34

I'd appreciate a check on familiarguy
BeXIIder Thu 12:34

Check Hellhound maybe?
ASV Thu 12:34

Knowing about Dory's secret "kill the masons" win condition makes me more likely to believe that there was 1 mason team, and 1 "illuminati" team working with the village but against each other (rather than a big double-sized masonry)
Her_Her Thu 12:34

Or hellhound too
ASV Thu 12:35

Which fits with Dead being on their own N1, and makes both Phantom and Jezebelthebun sus
Thu 12:35

I wonder if the masons have an equivilent "kill the illuminati" win condition now or if they don't care
DemonLord Thu 12:37

Who are we deciding is most worth lynching at the moment?
Solo Thu 12:37

anyone know whos the ww
Thu 12:37

Sorry I have been afk for so long
Thu 12:37

Sorry guys
ASV Thu 12:38

@DL right now I'm more interested in Phatom. His answer to the riddle yesterday was sus aswell as if he was just trying to guess at it.
Thu 12:38

Dory is known quantity
Thu 12:38

"known"
Lurker Thu 12:38

Not too much to read today.
Thu 12:39

*lurk*
ASV Thu 12:39

Though stalkers on Dory may be useful to see who else ends up in the illuminati
Lurker Thu 12:39

Am I missing something?
ArmoredSecurityVehicle Thu 12:39

Why would Jez as militia claim ML and then not shoot Phantom if she wasn't really a ML but he said she was?
Lurker Thu 12:39

If Jezz is Milita, what the hell happened?
Solo Thu 12:40

how many milita are there
Her_Her Thu 12:40

Well, my recruits are being bounced here and there, so I don't think a stalker would help me too much.
Lurker Thu 12:40

oh Armored got the same thought. It's very early here, thought I missed something.
ArmoredSecurityVehicle Thu 12:40

that seems a bit weird
Her_Her Thu 12:40

But I don't mind having a stalker on me :P
ArmoredSecurityVehicle Thu 12:40

could Jez have been swapped in the gy?
Her_Her Thu 12:40

No
Thu 12:40

He was dug right after he died
Thu 12:40

If he was swapped, it would be when he was alive
ArmoredSecurityVehicle Thu 12:41

why would villager lie about being ML?
Her_Her Thu 12:41

Thats why I don't think he's a villager
Thu 12:41

and you guys helped us out by killing the only ML
Thu 12:41

Thanks
Solo Thu 12:41

wait
Thu 12:41

theres only one ML?
ASV Thu 12:41

D1: Jez as Coven, then fakes ML, Phantom Joins in, n1: Coven djinn swap Jez into a random, and witch kill the random => Jez (now a militia) dies, Coven end up in a random body ?
Her_Her Thu 12:42

If you guys lynch Phantom too, then the illuminati have no other intentions anymore besides helping village win, unless there are still masons
ASV Thu 12:42

Would that work?
ArmoredSecurityVehicle Thu 12:42

but if she's not villager then Kirsch is lying and if he's lying then she could be ML?
Her_Her Thu 12:42

D2 @ASV
Thu 12:42

But pretty much yes
Thu 12:42

Thats likely in my POV
ASV Thu 12:42

sorry, yes D2, I wasn't counting the real D1.
Her_Her Thu 12:43

Ok
ArmoredSecurityVehicle Thu 12:43

but then you think Phantom was lying about the riddle, @ASV
ASV Thu 12:43

I didn't like his answer yesterday
Her_Her Thu 12:43

I think Jez = coven, Phantom = wolf, Dead = lit
ArmoredSecurityVehicle Thu 12:43

if they were both coven they'd give a perfect answer?
Her_Her Thu 12:43

Yes, I agree with Armor
ASV Thu 12:43

(Maybe some confirmation bias here on my behalf)
Her_Her Thu 12:43

That would be very bad coordination if they were on the same team
ASV Thu 12:44

ah hmm, yes, you'd expect so.
Lurker Thu 12:44

So when Phantom joins in Jez just went with it?
DemonLord Thu 12:44

The answer made sense, even if it was on the weak side.
redbear Thu 12:44

Her_Her for your information... I am a protector :/
Moderator Thu 12:44

DemonLord votes to lynch Phantom
ASV Thu 12:44

2 different evil teams both trying to go for some confusion and kill off the masons?
Her_Her Thu 12:44

Hmm. If Familiarguy comes up as a succubus, I'll trust you
Lurker Thu 12:44

Well if Kirsch is right it worked?
Solo Thu 12:44

I think Phantom and Jez are on the same time tbh
redbear Thu 12:45

N1 self, N2 Her_Her, N3... not gonna say yet
ASV Thu 12:45

Maybe coven were just trying to counter the ML claim and Phantom joined in and they both just ran with it?
Solo Thu 12:45

Like the answer seems to be right tho
Her_Her Thu 12:45

What answer, solo?
Solo Thu 12:45

but out of some many possibilities
Thu 12:45

how did he get it right
Thu 12:45

I mean the riddle
Her_Her Thu 12:45

Hmm...
Solo Thu 12:46

Do i have to claim
Thu 12:46

and someone checks me?
DemonLord Thu 12:46

The riddle is really open to interpretation. You could say bananas, and still find a way to justify the answer.
Solo Thu 12:46

55
Thu 12:46

true
Electrolysis Thu 12:46

the APC has a point about both being coven
AutonomousSurfaceVehicle Thu 12:47

was waiting for Kirsch - glad he has some interesting info
Her_Her Thu 12:47

I'll bring the riddle back up:
ArmoredSecurityVehicle Thu 12:47

seems to me like were overcomplicating it why not just that Kirsch is lying?
Her_Her Thu 12:47

What is the soul of evil, while not being evil itself? What is the soul of good while not being good itself? What is the purpose of lies while it being entirely truthful! Bonus hint: it’s not tempt.
ArmoredSecurityVehicle Thu 12:47

has he been confirmed?
AutonomousSurfaceVehicle Thu 12:48

he has now
Thu 12:48

I can confirm Kirsch
Her_Her Thu 12:48

Ohhhhhhh
Thu 12:48

Good
ASV Thu 12:48

@Auto Stalker?
Moderator Thu 12:48

ArmoredSecurityVehicle votes to lynch Phantom
AutonomousSurfaceVehicle Thu 12:48

if you trust me, HerHer
ASV Thu 12:48

or Beholder?
ArmoredSecurityVehicle Thu 12:48

what's your role @Auto?
Her_Her Thu 12:48

Well, I have no reason not to trust you... besides he's evil in my eyes either way
AutonomousSurfaceVehicle Thu 12:49

one of those two, yeah :D
ArmoredSecurityVehicle Thu 12:49

which one?
AutonomousSurfaceVehicle Thu 12:49

I have no other useful intel, so don't ask
Her_Her Thu 12:49

Meh you might as well just tell us your entire role
Thu 12:49

Okay
AutonomousSurfaceVehicle Thu 12:49

you've got what you're getting from me, take it or leave it
Her_Her Thu 12:50

BowlofDicks please don't be a dick and block me again
Thu 12:50

Thanks
AutonomousSurfaceVehicle Thu 12:51

HerHer, you're making a lot of assumptions for someone who's not in a position of power
Her_Her Thu 12:51

So... I shall do a role-claim list
Thu 12:51

KirchSetup: GraveDigger
ArmoredSecurityVehicle Thu 12:51

is Bowl village?
Her_Her Thu 12:52

Who's Bowl?
ArmoredSecurityVehicle Thu 12:52

BowlOfDicks?
Her_Her Thu 12:52

Oh
Thu 12:52

He claimed courtesan
Thu 12:52

Its a village-aligned blocker
ArmoredSecurityVehicle Thu 12:52

because like
Thu 12:53

that seems super unfair if you can't tell him and a dire wolf apart
Her_Her Thu 12:53

Well, we could have a militia come out and shoot him if you wanted :P
Thu 12:54

Nevermind, not come out
ArmoredSecurityVehicle Thu 12:54

you mean Jez?
Her_Her Thu 12:54

But you get the idea
Thu 12:54

Nononono, someone alive
ArmoredSecurityVehicle Thu 12:54

the ML militia?
BowlOfDicks Thu 12:54

i'd prefer you didn't, but yes, i'm also concerned that there's no way to distinguish me from a direwolf except possibly watching where i visit and seeing if i lie or pick a trusted villager, for example
Her_Her Thu 12:55

If you are lit, Mod's a troll
ArmoredSecurityVehicle Thu 12:55

can you block wolves I assume so?
Electrolysis Thu 12:55

first give him a few days to prove himself and investigate him
BowlOfDicks Thu 12:55

it just says i can't block vampire and succubus, so i assume so
Thu 12:56

i also don't get confirmation on whether it was successful or not
Her_Her Thu 12:57

Well, I guess I"ll give him the benefit of the doubt for now
BowlOfDicks Thu 12:57

the only thing i can suggest is if people check in on what i'm up to now and then without warning me, though we have to be careful not to look at me too often when there are other suspects
Her_Her Thu 12:58

Hmm... if he's lit, would he just be a succubus' puppet?
Cahoots Thu 12:58

BTW Pro Tip: Use ext-200 with work-theme enabled
BowlOfDicks Thu 12:58

i don't plan to block every night for that reason
Cahoots Thu 12:58

Much faster
Thu 12:58

I'm busy atm, but I'll catch up in a bit
AutonomousSurfaceVehicle Thu 12:59

village roleblocker is a legit concept
Her_Her Thu 12:59

But work-theme off looks so much better tho...
AutonomousSurfaceVehicle Thu 12:59

just needs to fit into the games or something
Thu 12:59

open setups, it'll be viable
kang123 Thu 12:59

Oh yay, no laggo
Cahoots Thu 13:00

It does look better, bust honestly if you enable it you'll get used to it
Thu 13:01

On mobile at least
kang123 Thu 13:01

Phantom has votes because GD claims jez was militia, right?
AutonomousSurfaceVehicle Thu 13:01

yeah
Thu 13:01

but we need to hear from Phantom to balance that out
Thu 13:01

*to work that out
kang123 Thu 13:01

Need to decide where to put my vote or I get the mighty smite
Lurker Thu 13:01

Well Jez isn't really militia, else her claim would have made no sense.
Her_Her Thu 13:02

Lurker, what are you claiming?
Lurker Thu 13:02

Nothing, but logic at the moment.
Thu 13:02

Militia claiming ML makes not much sense.
kang123 Thu 13:02

Djinn swap?
Lurker Thu 13:02

So it would have to be ASV's theory.
Electrolysis Thu 13:02

this hurts my eyes
Thu 13:03

but if its faster I am all for it
Her_Her Thu 13:03

Smartphones are pretty fast imo
Thu 13:03

The delay is less than one second
kang123 Thu 13:03

What if the real ML asked Jez to claim? Or is vamp recruit possible?
BowlOfDicks Thu 13:04

vampire recruit would be dug as familiar, wouldn't they?
Lurker Thu 13:04

I think so.
Her_Her Thu 13:04

So, Jez claimed when it was day 2. The Mason leader couldn't talk to Jez in secret if he recruited Jez night 1
BowlOfDicks Thu 13:04

plus i don't think asv's theory works since the claim of militia was on day 2, then she died
Lurker Thu 13:05

Mason leader not militia
BowlOfDicks Thu 13:05

sorry, i meant mason leader
Her_Her Thu 13:05

Hence, its impossible for jez to be the "speaker" of the mason leader
Thu 13:05

Jez must be the mason leader himself
Thu 13:06

Or an evil
Lurker Thu 13:07

So is Phantom same team as Jez?
BowlOfDicks Thu 13:07

well if kirsch is right, the swap must have happened night 2, so the jez we saw die was not the jez who claimed, right?
Her_Her Thu 13:07

I think they are both evils, on different teams
Thu 13:07

@BOD yes
Lurker Thu 13:07

wait, you think they just banded together?
Her_Her Thu 13:07

Yeah
Thu 13:07

They were too uncoordinated, don't you think?
kang123 Thu 13:08

Alright
BowlOfDicks Thu 13:08

possible jez was coven and realised they would be found out, so swapped out with a witch kill or something
Her_Her Thu 13:08

Yes, I agree, thats very likely
Thu 13:08

and framed me while he was at it
Thu 13:08

He never visted me that night
Lurker Thu 13:08

he?
Her_Her Thu 13:09

Sorry, gender identification issues
Moderator Thu 13:11

kang123 votes to lynch redbear
kang123 Thu 13:11

Ugh I need to vote
ASV Thu 13:11

oh, yeah if we believe Dory's illuminati insomniac friend and jez didn't visit Dory, then the whole thing was a complete act (fake the claim, say you'll recruit, witch-kill-djinn-swap - looks like a failed recruit - Phantom then played along the next day.)
AutonomousSurfaceVehicle Thu 13:11

what's the case against redbear again?
ASV Thu 13:11

illuminati insomniac saw them visit
AutonomousSurfaceVehicle Thu 13:11

he visited HerHer's team and ASV'd early on?
Her_Her Thu 13:11

Just jump on the wagon of phantom @kang
AutonomousSurfaceVehicle Thu 13:12

don't jump on wagons ffs
Her_Her Thu 13:12

He's a good lynch
AutonomousSurfaceVehicle Thu 13:12

make an informed decision
BowlOfDicks Thu 13:12

think i saw redbear claim protector somewhere above
Her_Her Thu 13:12

:)))))
Moderator Thu 13:12

kang123 votes to lynch Phantom
Her_Her Thu 13:12

Yeah, he did
ASV Thu 13:12

Dory: does your illuminati insomniac have a better name than illuminati insomniac?
BowlOfDicks Thu 13:12

yeah, 12:44 for reference
Moderator Thu 13:12

kang123 votes to lynch ChangeOfHeart
BowlOfDicks Thu 13:12

illumniac?
kang123 Thu 13:12

I have a change of heart
Her_Her Thu 13:12

Well, it does have a better name, but it isn't as cool as illumniac
kang123 Thu 13:12

Lol no im parking, need to backread more
BowlOfDicks Thu 13:13

insomniati?
Her_Her Thu 13:13

I'll just let my friend say it out when he decides to reveal so its more convincing
Thu 13:13

If thats fine with you
kang123 Thu 13:13

Elder? Lol
Her_Her Thu 13:13

Nope
Thu 13:13

Not close at all
Thu 13:14

:P
BowlOfDicks Thu 13:14

younger?
Her_Her Thu 13:14

Nope
BowlOfDicks Thu 13:14

middle-ager?
Her_Her Thu 13:14

Nope
BowlOfDicks Thu 13:14

ok, i'll stop
Her_Her Thu 13:14

xD
Thu 13:14

It was good effort
Thu 13:15

younger was kind of close
BowlOfDicks Thu 13:15

bed-wetter?
Thu 13:15

sorry, i said i'd stop
Electrolysis Thu 13:15

I am going to bed
Her_Her Thu 13:15

So early?
Thu 13:15

Ok, night
BowlOfDicks Thu 13:16

i think i'm happy with phantom being lynched for now, though i don't feel the need to pile on with the votes just yet
Electrolysis Thu 13:16

well I have been up all night
Her_Her Thu 13:16

Timezone differences I suppose
Thu 13:17

Are any masons left?
Electrolysis Thu 13:17

yeah I am in America using CST
BowlOfDicks Thu 13:17

i should probably go too, be back this evening - if we can get some intel on those who died or anyone who visited them, that'd be super
Her_Her Thu 13:17

You didn't sleep?
Thu 13:17

Well, better go to bed then
Electrolysis Thu 13:18

my schedule is just messed up
Her_Her Thu 13:18

Sweet dreams :)
Thu 13:20

We thought this would be harder... we assumed there would be two or three mason leaders
Thu 13:20

Turns out there's really just one?
Thu 13:22

Hmm... I still think redbear is sus, he claimed a WC role too...
Thu 13:22

But we're lynching phantom today, maybe I can bring him up later
AutonomousSurfaceVehicle Thu 13:26

"we're lynching phantom today" I wish you wouldn't say it like that
Her_Her Thu 13:26

I'll try not to then
Thu 13:26

But you know my stance
AutonomousSurfaceVehicle Thu 13:26

less than half the players have voted
Thu 13:27

your stance doesn't mean shit, if they don't want it to
Thu 13:27

Phantom may or may not be able to explain
Her_Her Thu 13:27

Ok, ok
AutonomousSurfaceVehicle Thu 13:27

by saying "we are lynching" you're pretty much leading players who haven't voted into voting that way
Thu 13:27

you're making it easy
Thu 13:28

so down the line they can either say "oh I just voted for whoever we were all lynching"
Thu 13:28

bad guys hide that way
Thu 13:28

lazy good guys do the wrong thing that way
Thu 13:28

just an awful attitude to have in general
Her_Her Thu 13:29

I'll try to persuade them to lynch him in other ways then
WheelProtoform Thu 13:29

Hmm, some more info. Hmm. While I think we shouldn't be led by Dory the what ever. I think Jez being dug up as mili doesn't help phantoms case.
ASV Thu 13:31

We still need to be aware of Dory and keep an eye on her
Her_Her Thu 13:31

:)
ASV Thu 13:31

I'm still sus of your win conditions
Her_Her Thu 13:32

Once masons are gone, I'll be unbiased
AutonomousSurfaceVehicle Thu 13:32

so you wanna lynch Phantom whether he's telling the truth or not
Thu 13:32

loool
Her_Her Thu 13:32

Yeah
AutonomousSurfaceVehicle Thu 13:32

why should we get rid of masons
Thu 13:32

when we can just get rid of you?
Thu 13:32

we know how masons work
Thu 13:32

you just confuse us
ASV Thu 13:32

That's a dangerous stance to take publically Dory
Her_Her Thu 13:33

Well, sure, I'll refrain from doing that again
ASV Thu 13:33

I want to lynch Phantom because there is evidence that he was lying, I'd much rather keep the masons than the illuminati...
Thu 13:33

he was or may have been lying even
Her_Her Thu 13:34

The evidence is against him
WheelProtoform Thu 13:34

I'll vote cahoots for now since phantom already got 6 votes and I think cahoots is a bit shady. If more votes on Phantom will be required later I'll switch.
Moderator Thu 13:34

WheelProtoform votes to lynch Cahoots
Her_Her Thu 13:35

Its likely he's an evil, a wolf, while Jez (coven) shifted away. To have that bold of a claim, I assume he's shapeshifter if he were a wolf.
Thu 13:35

So if we don't lynch him today, he could shapeshift away tomorrow, but thats speculation
Thu 13:36

He also recruited a dead person today, although I did state that I would recruit witch and if masons and illuminati recruited the same person, both recruits would fail. However, he still claimed to recruit witch.
Thu 13:36

Could be a careless mistake, however.
ArmoredSecurityVehicle Thu 13:36

how would Phantom know Jez would die?
Her_Her Thu 13:37

Hmm... good question
ArmoredSecurityVehicle Thu 13:37

if we think they are on different teams it doesn't make sense
Her_Her Thu 13:38

Perhaps Phantom's wolf team attempted to kill Jez as well? But who knows if there would be protection on Jez
ArmoredSecurityVehicle Thu 13:38

seems very stretchy
Her_Her Thu 13:38

Hmm... yes
Thu 13:40

If they were on the same team...
ASV Thu 13:41

If they tried to kill jez as well then whoever jez swapped into would also have been killed (Walsh, Burdock, Demons), unless they also blew the shaman on them aswell
Thu 13:42

If they are on the same team then I think they would have been confirming each other a lot more. Phantom was a lot more willing to claim they saw Jez at night than Jez was at seeing Phantom
Her_Her Thu 13:42

But if jez and phantom are lit, then both kirchsetup and auto are evil (not necessarily auto, if auto was a stalker and stalked kirch, who was a harpy and visited to dead)
Lurker Thu 13:42

There's a thing we missed I think...
ArmoredSecurityVehicle Thu 13:42

Kirsch and Auto lying makes more sense to me
redbear Thu 13:43

HerHer? Can you recruit me? That way I can prove myself being lit
Lurker Thu 13:43

dorry said she tried to recruit Demons. So Demons was most likely fam or coven, more coven I guess. If jez is coven too we got to many dead coven.
Her_Her Thu 13:44

Ahh I didn't try to recruit demons
ArmoredSecurityVehicle Thu 13:44

I read back this morning and Auto didn't seem against Phantom but in the morning they both went against Dory
Lurker Thu 13:44

you didn't?
Her_Her Thu 13:44

That was dead @lurkekr
Lurker Thu 13:44

ok still the same
Her_Her Thu 13:44

@redbear, I can't recruit you, not until I can prove myself
Thu 13:45

which will probably never happen :(
Lurker Thu 13:45

dead as leader tried to recruit demons, jez counterclaimed dead, so if there was a witch djinn play still someone had to kill one of the two?
ASV Thu 13:46

Demons being coven would explain Jez trying to discredit Dead if we think Jez is coven as well
Her_Her Thu 13:46

We shouldn't bank on that tho, if we underestimate coven, they can be devastating
Lurker Thu 13:47

but nobody would kill demons would they?
Her_Her Thu 13:47

Then how did he die?
Lurker Thu 13:50

my question
Her_Her Thu 13:50

Could have been messiah
Thu 13:51

Or just random kill by wolves
Lurker Thu 13:51

Dead would be able to recruit messiah
Her_Her Thu 13:51

Oh thats true
Thu 13:52

Do you think wolves believe jez is fake?
Thu 13:52

If yes, they would know that Dead is lit, which means demon is coven, which would give them an incentive to kill off coven in hopes of hitting a succubus
ArmoredSecurityVehicle Thu 13:53

if Jez was fake and a different team with Phantom why not call Phantom out that day why go along with it?
Her_Her Thu 13:54

Maybe he was afraid of being over-aggressive?
Thu 13:55

But... he could just have said that "hello" was not what he had said day 1...
ArmoredSecurityVehicle Thu 13:55

exactly it would have been so easy rather than the riddle thing
ASV Thu 13:56

If they know phantom is evil (by virtue of the fact he went along with their fake ML) - then that gives them a succubus target
Thu 13:56

Seems fair that they'd let them live
Moderator Thu 13:57

Solo votes to lynch Her_Her
Protectorphile Thu 13:58

See you in 292039 hours, when I'm done reading all this
Her_Her Thu 13:58

Dang it, why pile on me
Moderator Thu 13:58

Solo votes to lynch Phantom
Solo Thu 13:58

Fine
Her_Her Thu 13:59

Thanks :)
Moderator Thu 14:01

Lurker votes to lynch Her_Her
Her_Her Thu 14:02

:(
Lurker Thu 14:03

Just wanted to annoy you XD
Her_Her Thu 14:03

Imagine if phantom was shrouded, I'd be dead
Thu 14:03

I'm sad now :(
Moderator Thu 14:03

Lurker votes to lynch redbear
Her_Her Thu 14:04

Thank you :)
Thu 14:04

How do I still have 4 votes?
Lurker Thu 14:05

Must be the beard.
Her_Her Thu 14:06

I agree
ASV Thu 14:12

I don't think Phantom will be shrouded, but i'd actually be ok with Dory as a second place lynch fwiw
Her_Her Thu 14:15

:( I really wish BOD didn't block me now
AutonomousSurfaceVehicle Thu 14:20

all this talk about Jez - why not that a djinn knew we'd check her and swapped her to confuse us?
Her_Her Thu 14:22

He can't be swapped when he was dead
Thu 14:22

Jez died night 2, kirch checked him night 3
Thu 14:22

He could be swapped when he was alive though
AutonomousSurfaceVehicle Thu 14:22

right
Moderator Thu 14:23

AutonomousSurfaceVehicle votes to lynch Phantom
AutonomousSurfaceVehicle Thu 14:23

works for me
Thu 14:24

HerHEr is not "off the hook" in my eyes, though
Her_Her Thu 14:25

Thank you
Thu 14:37

I'm constantly trying to recruit every single night. I hope I can prove myself as soon as I succeed in recruiting.
ASV Thu 14:40

@Dory can you remind us who you've tried to recruit each night?
Her_Her Thu 14:51

Night 1: No one | visits to illuminati: Witch, Landfill, Hellhound
Thu 14:51

Night 2: Witch | visits to illuminati: RedBear, FamiliarGuy
Thu 14:52

Night 3: (withheld, will reveal tmr)
SoSlowww Thu 14:52

Yikes I got a feeling that Phantom is probably a puppet. Or else wouldn't be aggressively counter claiming this way.
Thu 14:52

(On day 2)
Thu 14:53

Last night I visited someone, turns out they didn't do anything. Wish I checked Landfill instead. Life = Sadness.
Her_Her Thu 14:54

So are you a beholder forever now?
ASV Thu 14:54

Her_Her - and you actually got role blocked N2 then?
Her_Her Thu 14:55

I got roleblocked night 3
Thu 14:55

Night 2 I just couldn't recruit witch
SoSlowww Thu 14:55

No I got a new role last night too, I was role blocked N2
ASV Thu 14:55

ok
Her_Her Thu 14:55

So... you get a new role every night?
ASV Thu 14:55

oh sorry you were accusing redbear of succubus not direwolf, I remember now
SoSlowww Thu 14:56

Idk why a village aligned player cannot recruit a villager O_o, Witch was clearly a pretty lit villager.
Her_Her Thu 14:56

I was probably redirected @SoSlowww
Thu 14:56

Hence my suspicion on RedBear
ASV Thu 14:56

why redbear not FamiliarGuy - because FamiliarGuy was smited?
Her_Her Thu 14:56

Well, yes.
Thu 14:57

If someone digs FamiliarGuy up and says that he was a succubus, well then my suspicions on redbear are invalid
Thu 14:57

But until that happens, I will still sus RedBear for now
ASV Thu 14:57

Unless Witch was already in the masons by that time, that would explain you not being able to recruit Witch?
Her_Her Thu 14:58

That would explain it, yes
ASV Thu 14:58

But then they would have come forward to explain the masons situation with Dead/Phantom/Jez
Thu 14:58

ok, i see your reasoning now.
Werewolf Thu 14:58

So if we are about to believe Her_Her, redbear is an evil
Thu 14:58

But we didmt know if we can trust her to not
Her_Her Thu 14:59

Not necessarily. RedBear is not definitely an evil in my opinion, the succubus is between familiarguy and redbear in my pov
Werewolf Thu 14:59

Its n3 and she didnt recruit
Thu 14:59

Familiarguy was smitted
Her_Her Thu 14:59

I did try to recruit night 3, but bowlofdicks blocked my night action
ASV Thu 14:59

what a bowl of dicks.
Werewolf Thu 14:59

I dont think he redirected u and let himself smited
Her_Her Thu 15:00

Yes, hence I do suspect redbear a bit more, also that redbear claimed a WC-user
Werewolf Thu 15:00

I dont buy a villager-align DW
Thu 15:00

We cant check him
ASV Thu 15:00

I both do and don't believe village aligned role block
Werewolf Thu 15:00

We cant confirm him
Thu 15:01

Why 2 votes on villager?
ASV Thu 15:01

I don't generally think it would be a thing, but equally, I can totally see mod coding the Courtesan to fuck with people.
Werewolf Thu 15:01

I myself dont like new roles
Her_Her Thu 15:01

:(
Werewolf Thu 15:01

Its too easy for them to lie
Her_Her Thu 15:01

I think its about time they added some new roles
Werewolf Thu 15:01

I agree
Thu 15:02

But personally I dont like it
Thu 15:02

Anw about the lynch
Thu 15:02

Even we lynch Redbear, we couldnt confirm her_her
Her_Her Thu 15:02

If i get a recruit off, then maybe you guys can trust me more.
Werewolf Thu 15:03

I am a little bit worry that ur recruitments dont benefit the village
Moderator Thu 15:03

Werewolf votes to lynch Phantom
Werewolf Thu 15:03

So far we have the most evidence in phantom a liar
Her_Her Thu 15:04

I think my recruits retain their roles... if i get a recruit I guess we'll find out
Werewolf Thu 15:04

We will go for him 1st, and left the other roles proof themselves
Thu 15:04

I couldnt understand why u couldnt recruit witch
Thu 15:04

She must be lit
Thu 15:04

Thats why i dont buy your claim yesterday
Her_Her Thu 15:04

If Redbear was a succubus, and he redirected me to myself, would I be able to recruit witch?
Thu 15:05

No, I don't think I would be able to.
Werewolf Thu 15:05

Hum.... why do u think its urself?
Her_Her Thu 15:06

Well, coven might be afraid I'm a vampire, and redirecting me to them would kill them
Werewolf Thu 15:06

If he is an evil, shouldnt he redirect u to an evil
Thu 15:06

And get u killed?
Her_Her Thu 15:06

No one trusted me at that point
Thu 15:06

Or maybe they don't know who the wolves are yet
Werewolf Thu 15:06

If they think u are a vampire, they better redirect u to anyone else but covens
Her_Her Thu 15:07

Redirecting me to myself in case I'm a vampire is the safest play
Thu 15:07

Cause Vampire Masters can be redirected :P
Werewolf Thu 15:07

I dont think so. Anyone is better than u
Thu 15:07

Anw i have bad feeling on ur claim. U must lie or hide sthing
Her_Her Thu 15:08

Well, I don't know who I was redirected too. All I know is I wasn't redirected to a village member
Werewolf Thu 15:08

But I dunno what part
Her_Her Thu 15:08

You should trust me...
Werewolf Thu 15:08

But we will leave it for later.
Her_Her Thu 15:08

Ok
Werewolf Thu 15:08

We have a safe lynch i think
Thu 15:08

Gotta go. Bye
TheServer Thu 15:08

well well well, some pieces of the puzzle seems not fitting...
redbear Thu 15:09

Her Her.... and also, all others... I am meta busy, that is why I am not very active... but this little I have read today, I have to say I trust HerHer fully and I am willing to follow her cause
TheServer Thu 15:09

assuming Kirsch told the truth
SoSlowww Thu 15:09

I agree with Werewolf :| Not to mention he start the game with a partner and we know nothing about the partner too. Sounds like another iteration of Hellhound and Demonlord.
Moderator Thu 15:10

SoSlowww votes to lynch Her_Her
Her_Her Thu 15:10

I told you what my partner can do. You know everything about him, except his name
Thu 15:10

Which I will not reveal due to safety purposes
AutonomousSurfaceVehicle Thu 15:10

now you're saying "his"
Thu 15:10

lol
TheServer Thu 15:10

if Jez was evil, I wonder why he didn't just confirm the only thing he said was "hello", it would benefit him better
Her_Her Thu 15:10

Keeps you guessing ;)
Thu 15:11

@auto
AutonomousSurfaceVehicle Thu 15:11

redbear's unwavering trust in HerHer is weeeeeird
Her_Her Thu 15:11

I like the trust, but it seems like an evil trying to buy me
TheServer Thu 15:12

and if Phantom lied too, he shouldn't have known between Dead and Jez who was the real ML
Her_Her Thu 15:12

@TheServer, I think Jez claimed first, you might want to take that into consideration
TheServer Thu 15:12

so coming out and choose Jez to claim being a ML and said about the "hello" was tooo bold to be a lie
Her_Her Thu 15:12

Just saying
TheServer Thu 15:13

hmm I thought Dead claimed ML first?
Her_Her Thu 15:13

I think Jez did it first
TheServer Thu 15:13

but anw first or second, it shouldn't have been clear who's real and who's fake yet, if Phantom and Jez weren't on the same team
Her_Her Thu 15:14

There were no counterclaims for at least an hour I think
TheServer Thu 15:14

but Phantom claimed ML after both Jez and Dead claimed
Her_Her Thu 15:16

Oh he did?
TheServer Thu 15:16

so i mean if Phantom and Jez are not the same evil team, Phantom's coming out is way so risky that I think it's not the case
Thu 15:17

Phantom and Jez could be on the same team, possibly coven, and did so to try to save Demons
Thu 15:17

but it would raise a question why Jez didn't cooperate better
Her_Her Thu 15:17

The lack of coordination between the two is unsettling
TheServer Thu 15:17

firstly they could simply say they were there in the mason chat together
Werewolf Thu 15:18

TheServer made sense.
TheServer Thu 15:18

after that, when Phantom said about the "hello" Jez said, Jez could simply confirm it and tell others it was true
Thu 15:18

instead of putting out that riddle
Werewolf Thu 15:18

If fhey are in the same team. Why just confirming eachother?
Thu 15:19

And herher wants to lynch the masons (we arent sure if it was real for fake yet)
TheServer Thu 15:20

there's one slim possibility that Jez was the real ML, is that Jez was swapped with a militia N2, the night he was killed, and the militia was also killed (otherwise we would have seen Jez claiming swapped in someone else's body)
Werewolf Thu 15:20

But if phantom is lit = Jez is a ML = both gds lied?
TheServer Thu 15:21

but it's too slim
Werewolf Thu 15:21

So 2 kills = 1 ML + 1 militia and they were swapped?
Thu 15:21

I dotn think killing roles and covens co-working that well
TheServer Thu 15:21

yes, theoretically so
Werewolf Thu 15:22

Its brain hack. I dont know who to trust
TheServer Thu 15:22

or something about a new role that we haven't known...?
Thu 15:22

yes that's why I said some pieces of the puzzle is not fitting
Werewolf Thu 15:22

Like a role who can fake Gd's check?
Thu 15:22

Or a really militia ML?
Thu 15:23

I dont think so
Thu 15:23

I wont be back to change my vote. But i will stay with Phantom
Thu 15:23

If he is lit, 2gds lied
Thu 15:23

I think its quite slim
ASV Thu 15:24

I'm amused at the idea of 2 evil teams both faking ML, and then both being confused at night about the other one not outing them as liars.
Werewolf Thu 15:24

But jez was digged as MIlitia
TheServer Thu 15:24

just keep in mind that the whole "Dead was real ML and Jez wasn't ML" thing is from Kirsch alone (not sure how Auto can confirm Kirsch yet)
Werewolf Thu 15:24

Not evil, asv
Thu 15:25

He said he confirmed Kirch only. Didnt say which part
Moderator Thu 15:26

Her_Her votes to lynch redbear
Her_Her Thu 15:26

I don't want to die if phantom is shrouded
Thu 15:26

Which is unlikely, but possible
TheServer Thu 15:27

actually, how Jez hesitated about confirming whether "hello" was the only thing he said could be explained that he wasn't a real ML? hmm
Thu 15:28

actually I don't know, if he's real ML he should have confirmed it firmly, if he's fake he could just also confirm it because he knew Phantom was fake too
Thu 15:29

ok to sum up my thought regarding this ML mess:
Thu 15:30

assuming GD is lit
Thu 15:30

IF Jez was lit ML: there's only one slim case that he was swapped with a militia and both got killed, in the same night, it's a very unlikely case
Thu 15:30

IF Jez was a fake ML: Phantom must be fake too because he claimed to see Jez's chat in mason
Thu 15:31

the question is are Phantom and Jez in the same team
Villager Thu 15:31

Bed time for me
TheServer Thu 15:31

IF same team: they could have coordinated better and confirmed each other, there's no point making it more complicate
Villager Thu 15:31

any TL,DR pls?
TheServer Thu 15:33

IF not same team: Jez could also have been confirmed Phantom to avoid hassles, plus, Phantom came out after both ML claims and he shouldn't have known who was the real ML yet, coming out and said about the "hello" was way too risky, unlikely
Thu 15:34

so most of the cases seem unlikely, making me doubt the GD at the moment
Thu 15:35

(the assumption that GD is lit is shaken)
AutonomousSurfaceVehicle Thu 15:36

just keep in mind that I came out, for no reason, other than to verify him
Thu 15:36

even if I'm his teammate and lying
Thu 15:36

there was no pressure when I confirmed him
TheServer Thu 15:38

@Auto how sure is your confirmation of Kirsch?
AutonomousSurfaceVehicle Thu 15:39

to me, 100% I believe
TheServer Thu 15:39

well...
AutonomousSurfaceVehicle Thu 15:39

you know what, I should confirm more of my details
Thu 15:39

I've thought and it can't hurt us
TheServer Thu 15:39

yes you should
AutonomousSurfaceVehicle Thu 15:40

I was Drunk. At the end of yesterday, I was turned into a Stalker. I stalked Kirsch for obvious reasons.
Thu 15:40

therefore - no old intel
Her_Her Thu 15:40

Id like to point out that a harpy can visit the dead
AutonomousSurfaceVehicle Thu 15:41

ok
Thu 15:41

I did not know that
TheServer Thu 15:41

well, harpy can visit the dead, and fam GD can too
AutonomousSurfaceVehicle Thu 15:41

so.. NOT 100% then
Thu 15:41

fam GD?
Thu 15:41

I need to play more often
Thu 15:41

or maybe just unmute #roles
Thu 15:41

ffs
TheServer Thu 15:41

that's what I mean by how sure...
AutonomousSurfaceVehicle Thu 15:41

well.. I was sure
Villager Thu 15:41

fam GD is a possibility
AutonomousSurfaceVehicle Thu 15:41

I was also wrong to be sure
TheServer Thu 15:41

or some new roles might be able to visit the deaths too
AutonomousSurfaceVehicle Thu 15:41

pff
Werewolf Thu 15:41

Wow. That changes a lot
Villager Thu 15:42

ok I find but there's no TLDR yet so I will just leave the heavy-lifting to you guys today then
Thu 15:42

I will just asv
Moderator Thu 15:42

Villager votes to lynch StormSetup
Moderator Thu 15:42

Werewolf votes to lynch redbear
WeKillAlot Thu 15:43

Ok I finish reading
Werewolf Thu 15:43

We have 3 Drunk claims already
TheServer Thu 15:45

well, I don't know who to lynch now...
Werewolf Thu 15:45

I was wondering among Herher, phantom and redbear
TheServer Thu 15:46

Phantom's story was indeed a bit convenient (failed to recruit Her_her, recruited the death,...)
Werewolf Thu 15:46

Redbear claimed to protected herher
Thu 15:46

A protector is risky to lynch
TheServer Thu 15:46

redbear is sketchy as hell, but could be a real prot
Werewolf Thu 15:47

But if we believe Herher that she couldnt recruit Witch because of redirecting, i would buy redbear succ rather than unfamiliarguy who didnt even show up
TheServer Thu 15:47

familiar, not unfamiliar
Werewolf Thu 15:47

Oh. My bad
Thu 15:48

I rather go for herher
Her_Her Thu 15:48

Why?
Werewolf Thu 15:48

A ML and a protector worth more than an unknown IL
Her_Her Thu 15:48

Why me?
Werewolf Thu 15:48

We dont know if she is friend or not
Her_Her Thu 15:49

Two very sketchy ML and prot
Werewolf Thu 15:49

To be compared, u arenr less sketchy than them
Thu 15:49

Arent
Her_Her Thu 15:50

If only BallofDicks didn't block me...
Werewolf Thu 15:50

Him too
Thu 15:50

A villager Dw??? Wth???
WeKillAlot Thu 15:51

Actually I can comfirm that kirch is a real GD cuz Dead is a real ML
SoSlowww Thu 15:51

Was BowlofDicks actually serious tho?
TheServer Thu 15:51

ok wekillalot, are you GD too?
Werewolf Thu 15:51

You know it because???
TheServer Thu 15:51

what's your other results?
Werewolf Thu 15:52

If dead is ML, obv Phantom is fake
Her_Her Thu 15:52

I thin he was @Soslowwww
Werewolf Thu 15:52

But only 1 ML in this game size???
WeKillAlot Thu 15:52

I must say H_H is worh to lynch. And I know it but I do not sure if I alive after that
Werewolf Thu 15:53

Herher has a friend, why ML alone?
TheServer Thu 15:53

if you're not sure you will be alive then just give us all your intel ok?
Her_Her Thu 15:53

Why am I worthy to lynch?
TheServer Thu 15:54

yesterday we still left some cases for 2 separate mason
Werewolf Thu 15:54

2 masons unconnected and 1 IL? I dont buy that
TheServer Thu 15:54

yes i don't buy that too
Her_Her Thu 15:55

You don't give any reasons @WKAL
WeKillAlot Thu 15:56

My role can do ability once so that is the only thing I can say right now
Her_Her Thu 15:56

Don't shoot me please
WeKillAlot Thu 15:57

I will let the village to decide
Werewolf Thu 15:57

Dead being a ML = Phantom lie. Dead being ML said by Kirs, confirmed by Wkal. Jez not ML said by kirs and confirmed kirs visited jez in GY by ASurfaceV
Her_Her Thu 15:57

You'll regret it, if you are village
Thu 15:57

I have to go, Bai
Werewolf Thu 15:58

Despite the fact that Jez could be killed + swapped, and kirs can be fam gd
TheServer Thu 15:58

@WeKillAlot your ability will be refreshed after 7 days right?
Moderator Thu 15:58

Werewolf votes to lynch Her_Her
Werewolf Thu 15:59

I will leave my vote at herher.
Thu 15:59

A protector or a ML worth more than a role we didnt know whether friend or not. Thats my reason
Thu 15:59

Bed timw
Thu 16:00

Bye
TheServer Thu 16:00

why did you conclude "Dead being a ML = Phantom lie" then vote Her_her? xD
Werewolf Thu 16:00

I was thinking of all cases
WeKillAlot Thu 16:00

H_H your role is so mystery I would not rick the chance you are not help the village
Thu 16:00

Proberly lynch phamtom would be better
Werewolf Thu 16:01

And couldnt explain about jez's role and reaction
Moderator Thu 16:01

WeKillAlot votes to lynch Phantom
Werewolf Thu 16:01

Its late and pp might not coming back.
Thu 16:01

Votes now are lynching votes
Thu 16:02

Phantom or herher
TheServer Thu 16:02

ok i think lynch phantom 1st, and leave her her as 2nd position is not bad
Werewolf Thu 16:02

What do u think @theserver
TheServer Thu 16:02

even jez was real, phantom could be fake
WeKillAlot Thu 16:02

I agree with server
Werewolf Thu 16:02

Its now 8.5.4
TheServer Thu 16:02

i don't feel comfortable with all of phantom's story
Werewolf Thu 16:02

Same here
Thu 16:03

If i vote for phantom it will be 9.4.4
Thu 16:03

Should we balance on the 2nd place?
Moderator Thu 16:03

TheServer votes to lynch Phantom
TheServer Thu 16:03

9-5-3
Thu 16:03

i think this is ok
Werewolf Thu 16:04

9 is enough to lynch Phantom
Thu 16:05

I will leave my vote here
Thu 16:05

Bye
TheServer Thu 16:06

bye
WeKillAlot Thu 16:08

Bye
Phantom Thu 16:10

WTF are you guys crazy? How can you believe this bullshit?
Thu 16:12

Did noone even stop and think that this could be a stupid Illuminati plan to kill all the masons because the 0 or 1 think is a lie?
TheServer Thu 16:13

you mean all Kirsch, Auto, Wekillalot, and Her_her are in illuminati?
Phantom Thu 16:13

KirschSetup's claim that Jez is Militia doesn't even make sense because villagers have no reason to lie about their role and the whole coven swap theory is so far fetched
Thu 16:14

Every time someone suggested a reason it didn't work, ASV comes up with some more bullshit to add on top rather than accepting that it is stupid
Thu 16:16

And ASV if you don't like the answer to the riddle take it up with Jez because she came up with it not me!!!
TheServer Thu 16:16

could you explain why you tried to recruit Witch last night?
Phantom Thu 16:17

I needed a recruit to prove myself and I think we all agree she is the most lit here
Lurker Thu 16:17

She's dead Jim.
Phantom Thu 16:17

No shit
Protectorphile Thu 16:18

Sounds like Djinn
Phantom Thu 16:18

Someone give this guy a medal
TheServer Thu 16:18

but Her_her already said she would recruit Witch as well, and also said if both IL and ML recruit someone, it would fail
ASV Thu 16:18

@Phantom But Dory said yesterday already that the 2 of you couldn't recruit the same perosn, and that she wanted witch - you should have gone for someone else.
TheServer Thu 16:18

Djinn what, Protectorphile?
Phantom Thu 16:18

TheServer, I had and still have no reason to believe anything Her_Her says
Thu 16:19

Also I didn't realise that
Protectorphile Thu 16:19

I didn't get through, keep getting distracted :/
Moderator Thu 16:19

Protectorphile votes to lynch TheServer
TheServer Thu 16:19

hmm I would understand if you leave a doubt on what her_her said, but totally ignore it...
Phantom Thu 16:19

But that's irrelevant because I DID recruit Witch
AutonomousSurfaceVehicle Thu 16:20

welp, at least now I know you're lying
Thu 16:20

I was guessing before
TheServer Thu 16:20

you know who's lying?
AutonomousSurfaceVehicle Thu 16:21

I don't understand what you're saying Server
TheServer Thu 16:22

you said "at least now I know you're lying"
Phantom Thu 16:22

I seriously wonder if KirschSetup's team told him to claim Jez was ML and he misunderstood and thought they meant Militia
TheServer Thu 16:22

who were you talking to?
Phantom Thu 16:24

Me?
TheServer Thu 16:24

ML -> Mil, that's an interesting possibility
AutonomousSurfaceVehicle Thu 16:25

I was talking to Phantom, the person who spoke before me
Phantom Thu 16:25

So explain yourself then
Thu 16:25

Why are you so certain that I'm lying?
WheelProtoform Thu 16:26

Hmm, after a bit of thought. I think Phantom is a bad lynch. He's either lit or in some way protected. If he's not real he must have known that Dead will be found out at some point and used what ever method to get out. Like Djinn swap or Shapeshift.Him being here days after the initial claim does make me think it's a bad lynch.
AutonomousSurfaceVehicle Thu 16:26

well, I know Kirsch visited a dead person last night
WeKillAlot Thu 16:26

I know a way to lit phantom but i need to risk it
TheServer Thu 16:26

@auto but you only know Kirsch visited Jez, it doesn't necessarily mean Kirsch is lit, and doesn't necessarily mean Phantom is fake for sure right?
AutonomousSurfaceVehicle Thu 16:26

true
Moderator Thu 16:26

WheelProtoform votes to lynch redbear
AutonomousSurfaceVehicle Thu 16:26

I'm multi tasking. Forgot the whole harpy possibility. Sorry.
Phantom Thu 16:27

Plus Kirsch could be Familiar Gravedigger
WheelProtoform Thu 16:27

Redbear is my choice.
Phantom Thu 16:27

He might share the wrong information publicly and give the real report to his master
Moderator Thu 16:28

AutonomousSurfaceVehicle votes to lynch Her_Her
Phantom Thu 16:28

I want to know how WeKillAlot can prove me
AutonomousSurfaceVehicle Thu 16:29

still strikes me as very possible that Jez and Phantom tried the mason claim idea, with the added confusion to try to lend legitimacy
WeKillAlot Thu 16:29

If I show you you gonna regret it so much!!
Phantom Thu 16:29

I have only one recruit opportunity left so I need to make it count
Thu 16:31

I don't understand what you're trying to say, but I'd still like to know
WeKillAlot Thu 16:31

Oh why? Is it not reset everyday or reset after 7 days
Thu 16:32

Oh then I will need someone else to ask me for that
Phantom Thu 16:32

I thought it was just single use abilities
WeKillAlot Thu 16:32

I just don't want to regret it later
Thu 16:32

Yes it is
Phantom Thu 16:33

Well mine isn't single use
WeKillAlot Thu 16:34

Oh so you can only rec 1 per night?
Landfill Thu 16:35

Okay, I haven't read anything and I'm not officially "here" yet, but I checked Phantom last night and he's a Heretic!
Moderator Thu 16:35

Landfill votes to lynch Phantom
Phantom Thu 16:36

Am I not meant to be?
ASV Thu 16:36

And yet we still don't know what a Heretic actually means.
Landfill Thu 16:37

I think it's safe to assume that it's not good for village at tis point
Phantom Thu 16:37

Right, so Landfill, I politely request you take that vote and fuck off
AutonomousSurfaceVehicle Thu 16:37

:D
Shaned Thu 16:38

Someone's gonna have to give me a Tldr. But if Jez was dug up a militia but claimed to be ML. Then I'd argue there's a fair chance Jez was a familiar and the "ML group" is a vamp Lord setup. Maybe multiple Vamp Lords? I only got upto that bit so will read more.
Phantom Thu 16:38

For all you know, Heretic could be any non-Witchcraft user
Thu 16:38

Jez would have been dug as Familiar Militia
Thu 16:39

So unless KirschSetup forgot how to read I'm just going to throw that theory right over onto the bullshit pile
Thu 16:40

You guys seem intent on coming up with ways that I'm evil and yet you give Kirsch a completely free pass
AutonomousSurfaceVehicle Thu 16:40

chill man
Thu 16:40

we didn't realise until I fully outed myself that my intel didn't mean shit
Thu 16:41

so I shoulda shut up
TheServer Thu 16:41

there's so many things against you Phantom...
Thu 16:41

I don't think heretic only means opposite of witchcraft user
WeKillAlot Thu 16:41

Okay then let give phantom another chance would you?
TheServer Thu 16:41

absolutely not that
Phantom Thu 16:41

You don't think, but you don't know for certain
TheServer Thu 16:42

i absolutely don't think so
WeKillAlot Thu 16:42

Cuz i am GB and I take Dead ability
Landfill Thu 16:42

Nooooooooooooope
WeKillAlot Thu 16:42

GR i mean
TheServer Thu 16:42

GR?
Phantom Thu 16:42

Which is my point, you can't judge either my claim or Landfill's until you know for certain
AutonomousSurfaceVehicle Thu 16:42

you mean GR?
Thu 16:42

laaaag
WeKillAlot Thu 16:42

Ueah
TheServer Thu 16:42

hmmmmmm
Landfill Thu 16:43

I find that extremely hard to believe
AutonomousSurfaceVehicle Thu 16:43

why?
Phantom Thu 16:43

Which bit?
AutonomousSurfaceVehicle Thu 16:43

there's FORTY NINE of us
Landfill Thu 16:43

The GR bit
AutonomousSurfaceVehicle Thu 16:43

a GR is possible
Landfill Thu 16:44

Possible, but I don't know if I buy this particular claim
WeKillAlot Thu 16:44

So that why I know Kirch is true about Dead role and I can also lit Phantom tonight in the nihht chat
Landfill Thu 16:44

Looks more like WeKill trying to save Phantom
Phantom Thu 16:44

Because there's a famous proverb from my home country that says it's impossible to make anything foolproof because fools are so ingenious
Thu 16:44

That sums up how I felt reading today's conversations
Landfill Thu 16:44

Phantom is so sassy today
TheServer Thu 16:44

hey hey WeKillALot, your plan is not gonna work
AutonomousSurfaceVehicle Thu 16:44

for real
Phantom Thu 16:44

I got nothing to lose today
TheServer Thu 16:45

Phantom claimed not seeing Dead in the mason
WeKillAlot Thu 16:45

Really?
TheServer Thu 16:45

so even if they are both lit MLs, you would be in a separate mason with Phantom
Phantom Thu 16:45

Yep
WeKillAlot Thu 16:46

But it said Mason could talk with each other
Phantom Thu 16:46

You'd need to borrow Jezebel's role
AutonomousSurfaceVehicle Thu 16:46

well
Landfill Thu 16:46

Except she's militia now
Phantom Thu 16:46

That's why I think Kirsch is lying I don't believe we have 2 Mason factions
AutonomousSurfaceVehicle Thu 16:46

we're kinda back to a "do you think there's 2 mason groups"
TheServer Thu 16:46

@WKAL then you should distrust Phantom because he said he didn't see Dead in the mason
Phantom Thu 16:46

Just me and Jez and Witch
AutonomousSurfaceVehicle Thu 16:46

Phantom is on the same page as me
WeKillAlot Thu 16:47

Server I did not know that until now
Phantom Thu 16:47

Maybe you should just lynch me so I can join my friends :(((
Landfill Thu 16:47

I think that's the current plan
TheServer Thu 16:47

we're doing so
WeKillAlot Thu 16:47

But are you ML
Phantom Thu 16:47

Sorry, that's not sass that's self pity
Thu 16:47

That's for tomorrow
WeKillAlot Thu 16:47

I mean Mason Leader?
Phantom Thu 16:48

Both me and Jez
WeKillAlot Thu 16:48

But Mason Leader can rec 2 per night pal
Phantom Thu 16:48

Yes
Thu 16:48

No
ASV Thu 16:49

1 per night not 2 per night.
Phantom Thu 16:49

2 per game
ASV Thu 16:49

Up to 2 times
Phantom Thu 16:49

1 per night
AutonomousSurfaceVehicle Thu 16:49

lol
Thu 16:49

jesus
Thu 16:49

I don't know there's other dead-visiting roles
Thu 16:49

WKAL doesn't know that
Thu 16:49

we're on form folks
WeKillAlot Thu 16:49

It said in the description I can rec twice per night
TheServer Thu 16:50

REALLY?
Han Thu 16:50

I'm sorry I was flipping through. What did GD see Jez as again?
AutonomousSurfaceVehicle Thu 16:50

ML is limited to 2 recruits per game
TheServer Thu 16:50

or it says you have up to 2 recruits?
WeKillAlot Thu 16:50

Oh actually I miss reading
Thu 16:51

It say I can rec up to 2
Phantom Thu 16:51

This is a joke
AutonomousSurfaceVehicle Thu 16:51

hahaha
TheServer Thu 16:51

GD saw Jez = militia
WeKillAlot Thu 16:51

Sorry my bad :(
Han Thu 16:51

Swapped?
TheServer Thu 16:51

no one knoews
Han Thu 16:51

Swap happens last right
AutonomousSurfaceVehicle Thu 16:52

well, no, we think there can't be a swap after death
Thu 16:52

so the swap would be before death
Thu 16:52

which wasn't claimed
Thu 16:52

so.. didn't happen?
Han Thu 16:52

Huh?????
Thu 16:52

You guys talking about Djinn swap right??
Landfill Thu 16:52

That's just the order in which night action resolve
Thu 16:52

They all happened at night
Thu 16:53

nobody would claim anything
Han Thu 16:53

Look, I just took some joint. I'm really high
Landfill Thu 16:53

and 2 GY peeps can be swapped
Han Thu 16:53

Djinn can dwap dead
Phantom Thu 16:53

I can't deal with this any more
Landfill Thu 16:53

"took some joint" is a new one for me
Han Thu 16:53

Swap*
Phantom Thu 16:53

Someone wake me up when someone with an IQ greater than that of a puppy turns up
Han Thu 16:53

Did I read right that you guys said swap happened before death??
Lurker Thu 16:54

yes djinn can swap swap dead, but the check for tonight would show a different name then.
Landfill Thu 16:54

SASSY
AutonomousSurfaceVehicle Thu 16:54

he's right though - there's a lot of mistakes happening
Thu 16:54

myself included
TheServer Thu 16:54

it can only be on N2, the night Jez died, and we're not sure if Jez was a coven and they killed + swapped at once yet
Landfill Thu 16:54

Mistakes don't make people stupid, which is what's implied
Thu 16:54

It's pretty rude
WeKillAlot Thu 16:55

He can be angry about it I kninda ruin things
StormSetup Thu 16:55

could I get a quick mid day tldr please? wkal claimed Gd? kitsch found Jez as militia?
Han Thu 16:55

What mistakes?
WeKillAlot Thu 16:56

No I claim GR
Landfill Thu 16:56

wkal claimed GR->GD from Dead
StormSetup Thu 16:56

oh?
ASV Thu 16:56

WKAL claims GR, robbed Dead, got ML. Kirsch continues to claim GD, saw Jez as Militia last night
Landfill Thu 16:56

Sorry ML from Dead
Thu 16:56

NOW IM DOING IT
TheServer Thu 16:56

ok let me try a TL;DR today, pls don't interrupt me
AutonomousSurfaceVehicle Thu 16:56

I stalked Kirsch
TheServer Thu 16:56

=========TL;DR===============
Thu 16:57

Phantom said he recruited Witch but Witch is dead
Thu 16:58

Her_her claimed RB, and revealed more about his role's objectives, that beside trying to help village to win he also have to kill most of the masons to win too
Thu 17:00

After being pressured he also revealed about his "secret weapon", which is a friend of him who's basically the "insomniac of the Illuminati", can see who visits the illuminati members
Thu 17:01

He said redbear & FamiliarGuy visited the Illuminati on N2, and the same night he couldn't recruit Witch so redbear is possibly a succubus
Thu 17:01

Villager came up and claimed RB too
Thu 17:02

BowlOfDicks came up and claimed a new role "Courtesan" that is a village aligned direwolf who can roleblocks people, and claimed that it's him who blocked Her_her
Thu 17:02

Shaned said he checked Werewolf as a wc user
Thu 17:03

KirschSetup then came up and said he checked Jez as Militia(!)
Thu 17:03

then everyone argued about the possibilities around the ML mess
Thu 17:04

redbear claimed Protector, which is also a wc user so Her_her didn't fully believe him yet, though redbear stated his full belief in Her_her
Thu 17:06

Autonomous said he confirms Kirsch somehow, then after a while he revealed that he's stalker (originally Drunk) and stalked Kirsch last night, but then realized his result doesn't prove 100% sure for Kirsch yet
Thu 17:07

SoSlowww came up and only said he checked someone who did nothing (?)
Thu 17:08

WeKillALot claimed one-use ability role, and confirm Dead is ML, then after a while claimed GR who robbed Dead and now is ML
Thu 17:08

Landfill said he checked Phantom as a Heretic!
Thu 17:08

======================
Thu 17:08

ok that's all I guess
AutonomousSurfaceVehicle Thu 17:10

I can't believe no-one interrupted
Thu 17:10

I'm calling that a win and not playing any more, good luck!
ASV Thu 17:10

Well done all.
Han Thu 17:10

No one interrupt a Server
TheServer Thu 17:10

wohoooo
Han Thu 17:11

You wouldn't want a Server going bonker
Landfill Thu 17:11

Haha, Auto
TheServer Thu 17:11

that was single threaded!
Han Thu 17:11

As high as I am, I'm still sane enough to stay still
Thu 17:11

Anyway
StormSetup Thu 17:11

thanks for doing that
Landfill Thu 17:12

Yeah, thanks, Server
Lurker Thu 17:12

Ok I can't shut my moth much longer. Expect some info from me in an hour. Don't go anywhere...
Landfill Thu 17:12

Oooooookaaaaaaaaaaaaaay
Han Thu 17:12

Thank you Server.
Landfill Thu 17:12

Can we discuss the likelihood of village aligned dire for a second?
Lurker Thu 17:13

Mobile too slow to type this stuff out.
SoSlowww Thu 17:13

HELLO IT IS ME SOSLOWWW!
Han Thu 17:13

Just because there's no wailing from the livings about getting swap,that does not mean the Djinn did not mess up the deads. So that is one possibility I have to throw, since we don;t know if there's Djinn or not
Thu 17:13

What Village-aligned dire
Landfill Thu 17:14

Th "courtesan"
Thu 17:14

the*
Han Thu 17:14

I'm sorry but given my whadafrak moment earlier this morning
Thu 17:14

I don't buy courtesan
SoSlowww Thu 17:14

I don't believe in Mods actually implementing the role :/
Thu 17:14

If they did implement it, then he shouldn't have role blocked me :/
Han Thu 17:14

Perhaps, we may be too haunted by ext 100
TheServer Thu 17:14

hmm but why would he claim it if he's DW, or some evil?
ASV Thu 17:15

I don't but then I also do, because it's exactly the sort of troll Mod would do.
Landfill Thu 17:15

I also find it pretty hard to believe in that role
Han Thu 17:15

Because that is what Evils do
AutonomousSurfaceVehicle Thu 17:15

I've been asking mod for a village roleblocker since forever
Landfill Thu 17:15

All of the new roles seem to be involved with other players or subsets of roles
AutonomousSurfaceVehicle Thu 17:15

it's not a "troll", it's a legit role
SoSlowww Thu 17:15

I mean even if it is a role... It doesn't benefit village that much -_- Unless majority of village is already evil. With 4 deaths every night.
Han Thu 17:16

Legit in the boardgame yeah
Landfill Thu 17:16

Oh, but there's drunk, huh?
StormSetup Thu 17:16

so wekillalot is now ML? so herher will want her dead in someway now?
Landfill Thu 17:16

Maybe
Han Thu 17:16

Kinda
SoSlowww Thu 17:16

Who are the 3 that claimed drunk so far?
Landfill Thu 17:16

Looks that way
AutonomousSurfaceVehicle Thu 17:16

I was a drunk
Thu 17:17

I didn't claim it though, until I had a role
Landfill Thu 17:17

I thuink Electro and ASV?
Thu 17:17

think*
AutonomousSurfaceVehicle Thu 17:17

(because that's silly)
Landfill Thu 17:19

Where does everyone stand on
Thu 17:19

Shaned?
SoSlowww Thu 17:19

!!
Han Thu 17:19

Oh SoSloww is here.. I should say Oh Boy.. But I might have miss the exclamation marks. Btw, soslowww, I'm not Soofassst right now bevause I took some 420.
SoSlowww Thu 17:19

Almost forgot about that dude's existence.
Han Thu 17:20

He was here earlier this morning
Landfill Thu 17:20

If we trust his checks, I can use them to test my ability and maybe gain info on what a Heretic is
Thu 17:20

If it's tied to wc
Han Thu 17:20

No other GD check Hellhound?
SoSlowww Thu 17:20

Do we have another GD? O_o
Landfill Thu 17:21

Djinn fuckery makes that less reliable anyway
StormSetup Thu 17:21

only a gr and gd so far right
SoSlowww Thu 17:21

^^ Unfortunately
Han Thu 17:21

I'm just wondering if there's othr GD
Landfill Thu 17:21

I think just kirsch
SoSlowww Thu 17:21

If my RNG gives me a GD.
Han Thu 17:21

Djinn could prolly playing swappy if they exist
Thu 17:21

We wont know
StormSetup Thu 17:22

can you choose to not spin?
Han Thu 17:22

Will the world stop if you spin
SoSlowww Thu 17:22

Nope I spin every night unless RB
Han Thu 17:22

Holy shit.. I'm inebriated
Thu 17:23

Not because of the spinning
StormSetup Thu 17:23

and use the role from the previous spin?
SoSlowww Thu 17:24

Yes I used it last night
Han Thu 17:24

So it's a one hit wonder kinda spin?
SoSlowww Thu 17:24

Beholded someone that did not claim any role. Hoped for a surprise. There is no surprise. There is just sadness.
Han Thu 17:25

That void
Thu 17:25

It's blackhole
Thu 17:25

Eh? Phantom getting lynch?
Thu 17:26

Isn't this the so-called ML
StormSetup Thu 17:30

so there are 2 separate confirmations of ML in grave, and one not related to phantom in any way
Moderator Thu 17:31

StormSetup votes to lynch Phantom
Han Thu 17:35

Something is not right. We can't fairly certain if there's any mess up in GY. Urgh whatever,
ASV Thu 17:37

If jez had actually been lit, Jez only died yesterday, any GD on Jez last night will have got the correct result from their dig, even if a Djinn also then messed around with the GY last night
Han Thu 17:45

Nvm, it's back to Mason and Illuminati talk again.
Thu 17:46

Since WKA is now ML
SoSlowww Thu 17:46

I am back.
Thu 17:47

I think Phantom is a witch pretty likely.
Han Thu 17:47

Either she/he stays single and win with the illuminati or she recruits and win the village but the illuminati will lose
SoSlowww Thu 17:47

Phantom did not recruit anyone in 2 days and then visits Witch and Ta Da Witch dies.
Han Thu 17:47

But I don't get why Jez would agree with him being ML if she is indeed a Militia
SoSlowww Thu 17:48

Because Jez was swapped very likely
Han Thu 17:48

I said that already
Thu 17:48

Possibility of swap
Moderator Thu 17:48

WeKillAlot votes to lynch Her_Her
SoSlowww Thu 17:49

Jez is in same faction as him, maybe a puppet. I just can't see Phantom as a ML.
Landfill Thu 17:49

I think ASV is right though, right?
Han Thu 17:49

Original Jez before the swap you mean?
Landfill Thu 17:49

Doesn't swap happen last before morning?
Han Thu 17:50

Yes
Thu 17:50

Swap happens last so whatever information you have before as intel is outdated
WeKillAlot Thu 17:50

After a talk with phantom I really think he lit
Han Thu 17:51

Correct me if I'm wrong.
StormSetup Thu 17:51

oh?
Han Thu 17:51

That oh? is so pokemon
WeKillAlot Thu 17:52

I really dong want another Mason die in favor of H_H faction to be advantaged
StormSetup Thu 17:52

!
Thu 17:52

so you spoke to him last night?
Han Thu 17:53

Tough decision you have there mademoseille
WeKillAlot Thu 17:53

No i just got a role tonight is the first night I act as ML
ChangeOfHeart Thu 17:53

hi, is there a summary for today
Han Thu 17:54

What she meant was whatever conversation transpired between them in this chat right now.
Thu 17:54

Yeah type tldr
Moderator Thu 17:54

ChangeOfHeart votes to lynch Phantom
StormSetup Thu 17:54

yes search ''======''
Han Thu 17:54

or server
Thu 17:54

theserver i mean
WeKillAlot Thu 17:54

Yes there is a big ass tl;dr by Server
ChangeOfHeart Thu 17:54

asv
Thu 17:54

thanq
Thu 17:56

can some one explain the drunk pls?
Han Thu 17:57

A pint of Guiness Stout for the explanation
Lurker Thu 17:58

I'm back and in front of a real keyboard. What did I miss?
SoSlowww Thu 17:59

I miss you and your promise. I am going in few minutes. Not much happened.
Protectorphile Thu 18:01

F M L
Phantom Thu 18:01

Did anyone intelligent turn up yet?
Protectorphile Thu 18:01

Did Her_Her reveal their companion?
Phantom Thu 18:02

Of course not, no-one in this game wants to be useful
Protectorphile Thu 18:02

@ChangeOfHeart - drunks are initially powerless, and some time during the game, they sober up and gain powers
Phantom Thu 18:02

ChangeOfHeart, we think the Drunk only finds out t...
Thu 18:02

What he said
Protectorphile Thu 18:03

Why do we let him get away with that?
SoSlowww Thu 18:03

Well. I am voting Her_Her to be lynched.
ChangeOfHeart Thu 18:03

ok
Moderator Thu 18:03

Protectorphile votes to lynch Her_Her
Protectorphile Thu 18:03

Gah
Han Thu 18:04

Where's my vote at?
Phantom Thu 18:04

Do all the Drunks revert at once, do we think?
Han Thu 18:04

Oh, it's at Villager
Protectorphile Thu 18:04

I wish I was here yesterday, this piece by piece reveal is pissing me off
Han Thu 18:05

Can Mod even code interval revert.
Landfill Thu 18:05

Waiting on Lurker's info here...
Han Thu 18:05

Oh yeah he is GOd
Lurker Thu 18:05

OK here's the deal. I'm Diviner and I can check a person every even night for his/her true magical potential. So I had one check night 2 so far and I got a result. I got no reference point yet. But without using words from the actual result (there may be other Diviners out there), let's just say she had very high magical potential. I wanted to wait another night to get a reference point, but with so much talk about the person I checked I think, I must give you guys this info now.
Han Thu 18:05

Coz he can, I think
Lurker Thu 18:05

Let's just say the potential was high.
Han Thu 18:05

I'm getting mindfrak for real
SoSlowww Thu 18:05

@@ What.
Landfill Thu 18:06

What does that even mean "high magical potential"
Thu 18:06

?
Protectorphile Thu 18:06

Who?
Han Thu 18:06

NOw you're the Professor Trewlaney in parallel universe
Phantom Thu 18:06

Sounds like a WitchHunter on steroids
Landfill Thu 18:06

Like, I see how it makes sense with the story of this game, but not how it applies practically
Lurker Thu 18:06

If I would know I'd have said it by now. Wanted to wait, but we're talking the whole day about Jez now.
Landfill Thu 18:06

Was Jez your check?
Lurker Thu 18:06

yes...
Thu 18:07

It was between jez and dory
Phantom Thu 18:07

So are you saying that you have no other checks other than Jez?
Han Thu 18:07

Jez has high medical potential, wow
Thu 18:07

Typo
Thu 18:07

Magical
Thu 18:07

*
Lurker Thu 18:07

magical...
Landfill Thu 18:08

medical potential
Phantom Thu 18:08

Or just that Jez was the only positive 1?
Landfill Thu 18:08

lag lulz
Lurker Thu 18:08

there was only one even night so far.
Phantom Thu 18:08

So what do you do on odd nights?
Lurker Thu 18:08

nothing.
Landfill Thu 18:09

Hmmm
Lurker Thu 18:09

I got no buttons on odd nights
SoSlowww Thu 18:09

Anyways this piece of unintelligent mind will leave now. The game has way too many suspects and way too little info, can't really contribute much as villager when people are dying 4 by 4. Hope evil kill each other (Aren't y'all afraid of Illuminati Leader?) I saw Han seeing nothing.
Lurker Thu 18:09

My theory is that maybe the people don't know what their power is, or they learn it over time as the story progresses?
DemonLord Thu 18:09

...Does it say why, Lurker?
Thu 18:09

Just a limiting mechanic?
Phantom Thu 18:10

Why would a militia have high magical potential?
Protectorphile Thu 18:10

Well, if we're already talking about the story
Thu 18:11

You would be on the side of the elders?
Thu 18:11

@Lurker, that is
Lurker Thu 18:11

I don't know. It says true magical potential. So maybe it's something hidden?
Phantom Thu 18:11

Oh!!!
Thu 18:12

You think if Her_Her recruits them then bad things will happen?
Landfill Thu 18:12

Maybe true magical power is related to heretics?
Lurker Thu 18:12

I have no idea. It feels like we got some new definitions this this. Like heretics and magic now.
Thu 18:13

this game... typo
DemonLord Thu 18:13

When are the invitations to Hogwarts sent out, then?
Landfill Thu 18:13

since mod already coded the drunk role (we assume) with a countdown, maybe heretic is a hidden thing that will awaken at some point in the game?
Lurker Thu 18:13

maybe I can be checked for the heretic part?
Phantom Thu 18:14

So can we just be absolutely clear that Lurker's check in no way has any bearing on me being lit
Landfill Thu 18:14

I have a few targets, but I won't say where I'm going, just in case
Thu 18:15

Phantom, i can't see a way in which it relates to you at all
Phantom Thu 18:15

Because either Jez was Mason Leader or she was Militia, neither of which should be considered "magical"
Landfill Thu 18:15

But it could be an underlying thing, not inherently a wc user role
Lurker Thu 18:15

I wanted to share it because the ml/militia thing is a mystery we talked for hours now.
Landfill Thu 18:16

I think it was a good reveal, Lurker
Phantom Thu 18:16

Yeah, it was a good reveal
Landfill Thu 18:16

Of course, all of the new roles, mine included, are going to be looked at a little sideways
Phantom Thu 18:16

Hopefully you get another result tonight
Thu 18:16

Maybe check Werewolf since she was seen as a witchcraft user?
Lurker Thu 18:17

Did we find a heretic yet?
Han Thu 18:17

Landfill did
Phantom Thu 18:17

Well I'm a heretic, apparently
Landfill Thu 18:17

Yes, Phantom
Protectorphile Thu 18:18

meh
Landfill Thu 18:18

But it doesn't make sense that magical potential would = heretic. Why have 2 roles that do the same thing?
Protectorphile Thu 18:18

definitly not
Landfill Thu 18:18

All of the new role stuff is so vague!
Phantom Thu 18:18

I'm thinking there is no seer this game, and instead we have lots of new roles that can be used to build the same picture
Han Thu 18:19

Because they are meant to go against social norms
Lurker Thu 18:19

I wonder if this somehow relates to the different factions within village?
Landfill Thu 18:19

Han, I don't think that's the right definition
Protectorphile Thu 18:19

What the heck is "true magic potential" supposed to mean?
Landfill Thu 18:19

That was my question, phile
Lurker Thu 18:19

I don't know. I guess it's story related?
Landfill Thu 18:19

Yeah, it's definitely story related
Han Thu 18:20

Everything link to the story
Protectorphile Thu 18:20

Maybe a way to differentiate between coven-wc and village wc?
Landfill Thu 18:20

Read the lore involved and it talks about how Elders seek out children with magical potential or something
Protectorphile Thu 18:20

^^
Thu 18:22

How many new roles do we believe are in the game?
Phantom Thu 18:22

What if it's simpler than that? Illuminati need to wipe out the masons, so what if heretics are masons?
Lurker Thu 18:22

I don't think those secret groups are religious?
Landfill Thu 18:22

Weird that this role cropped up the day after that was revealed in the lore though...
Phantom Thu 18:22

And Landfill is how they hunt us down?
Landfill Thu 18:23

I'm not Illuminati, though, so why would I be involved in the Heretics?
Thu 18:23

Nah, I'm not Illuminati
Han Thu 18:24

They don't have to be religious to be considered Heretics
NotCoven Thu 18:25

Uhh that role doesn't sound good in mod's story, people hiding their magical ability from people looking to recruit them to something
Protectorphile Thu 18:25

yup
Han Thu 18:26

Told ya guys it's bad news
NotCoven Thu 18:26

Also: Auto sounds like a recruited fam, Werewolf never confirmed if Shaned result is true, and I think Her is a good and nice fish but should try find a non wc user to recruit just incase
Thu 18:27

Oh and it's possible Phantom and Jez were covens (both gor a sort of magic-y check) and Jez did a killswap and is still alive somewhere as a coven
Landfill Thu 18:27

killswap?
Moderator Thu 18:28

NotCoven votes to lynch Phantom
NotCoven Thu 18:28

Yeah and they chose whoever was Miltia
DemonLord Thu 18:28

Maybe when the plot progresses to a certain point a new faction is created, taking people with high magical potential from every other faction? Makes sense if the Elders are taking people that they would probably end up in a new faction, and I'm not sure what else it could mean.
NotCoven Thu 18:29

Lurker,are you not part of some type of chat?
Landfill Thu 18:29

Like a megablight that turns people into something else?
Lurker Thu 18:29

No night chat for me :(
DemonLord Thu 18:30

I suspect they'd keep their roles, they'd just be Elder-aligned. A wacky mix of roles from every faction. Does that sound feasible at all?
Landfill Thu 18:30

That sounds like a nightmare to code, but I'm not a coder
Han Thu 18:31

That would be too "walk in the park" theory. It's like the echelon of Masonry
Thu 18:35

I think the recruitment comes with a price
DemonLord Thu 18:36

Maybe we should cross-reference heretics and people with high / low magical potential to see how they relate? Either way, tonight's flavour text might give us some more clues.
Phantom Thu 18:38

NotCoven did you reveal yet?
Thu 18:39

Because if you didn't, I suggest we play a game of "fuck off" and you can start
NotCoven Thu 18:41

Ok *fucks off*
Phantom Thu 18:42

Do you even know why you're voting for me?
Landfill Thu 18:46

Looks like he fucked off
Thu 18:48

Phantom, I don't know the idea behind the heretic search yet, but there's a lot of evidence mounting to suggest that you might not be lit
Thu 18:48

You can't deny that, because it's right there
Thu 18:48

Your only recruit and your only ally are both dead
Phantom Thu 18:54

The evidence is one Grave Digger and nothing else as far as I'm concerned
Thu 18:57

Do you disagree?
Landfill Thu 18:59

That those who might help prove you are all dead is a negative, though
Thu 18:59

I'd say that, if not evidence, it just looks bad
Phantom Thu 19:00

Yes, it's not evidence
Landfill Thu 19:00

So it was the wrong word, but I'm pretty sure you get the idea
Phantom Thu 19:00

And why would I make up that I recruited Witch knowing that her dying that same night looks bad?
Landfill Thu 19:00

Who knows?
Phantom Thu 19:01

Exactly
Landfill Thu 19:01

Maybe you recruited her as a vamp fam, in case you got seen visiting, but she can't confirm you either way
Phantom Thu 19:01

It would make more sense for me to claim to have recruited one of my allies
Landfill Thu 19:01

You could have simply chosen her as a lit dead person to *say* you recruited
Thu 19:01

and this argument is precisely why you'd do that
Thu 19:01

"Why would I?"
Thu 19:02

All I'm saying is that there's nothing screaming do not lynch in your defense
Phantom Thu 19:02

Because like everyone here I'm so fond of shooting myself in the foot just so I can prove that I bleed
Landfill Thu 19:03

Listen, saltlick, you'd play it the same way if you were us
NotCoven Thu 19:03

#emo #kms #lms
Phantom Thu 19:03

Landfill, how about the fact that we've got a new faction that openly admits to being hostile to the masons or that the speculation around me and Jez makes no fucking sense
Thu 19:04

Why not lynch NotCoven, there's nothing screaming do not lynch in his defence either
Thu 19:05

It wouldn't surprise me if he was coven just to be a troll
NotCoven Thu 19:06

Was I found as heretic by one, teammate seen as magic by another, and had two counterclaims on my role? Naw, yes I do know why I'm voting you
Han Thu 19:07

I think I'm ready to get mindfrak by NotCoven revelation. It's high time he reveals his ability. Given how he begged to live another night yesterday.
NotCoven Thu 19:07

And being disrespectful doesn't win people over in the slightest
Han Thu 19:07

So many new roles today
Phantom Thu 19:08

NotCoven, please explain why being seen as a heretic means I should be lynched?
Thu 19:09

NotCoven, please explain why Jez having high magical potential means I should be lynched?
NotCoven Thu 19:09

Han definitely wants to re-read yesterday huh
Thu 19:09

ML is not magic
Han Thu 19:10

Too high to re-read
Phantom Thu 19:10

It didn't say magic, it said magical potential
Thu 19:10

Militia is also got magic, but you don't think about that do you?
Thu 19:11

I might be more respectful to you if you actually used your brain rather than just opening your mouth and letting shit pour out
Landfill Thu 19:12

Militia has magic?
Phantom Thu 19:12

Not magic, sorry
Thu 19:12

I'm so pissed off I can't even type words correctly
Landfill Thu 19:19

I understand your frustration, regardless of your alignment, but the way you're talking to people isn't really making you look cuddly and helpful either
Thu 19:19

The best you can do is continue to play the game
Han Thu 19:19

Hhuh
Thu 19:20

Urgh, i need to crash..
Thu 19:20

Stoning in front of laptop is pfft
Phantom Thu 19:22

Sorry Landfill, you're right
Thu 19:22

It's just annoying how NotCoven acts like he's got some kind of moral high ground when he doesn't
Moderator Thu 19:22

Han votes to lynch Her_Her
NotCoven Thu 19:23

I came on, read everything, and posted my thoughts about what I'd just read. You are seeing problems where there are none
Thu 19:25

Like wow, even your silent voters are treated better
Thu 19:25

I'm not a regular player and definitely wont be becoming one, because of people like you, so dw
Phantom Thu 19:26

My silent voters?
Thu 19:26

And you said yesterday that you would tell us your role today
Thu 19:27

You haven't told us your role and so I think you're evil who is trying to secure my lynch
NotCoven Thu 19:27

Idk man you're just screaming at me and nope I'm not giving into your bait when I know it benefits village to wait again
Phantom Thu 19:27

See, this is exactly why I'm annoyed at you
Thu 19:27

You directly contradict something you said yesterday
NotCoven Thu 19:28

So many haven't given their's. I waited till today because I thought 75% will be out by now
Thu 19:28

Okay but I know you're my enemy so I'm not giving in
Phantom Thu 19:28

How do you know I'm your enemy?
BowlOfDicks Thu 19:40

the diviner stuff would tie into the jez being coven theory, though it could mean something else depending on what the actual wording is
Thu 19:42

or it could be an elaborate lie
Thu 19:42

hard to tell right now
Phantom Thu 19:42

Or it could be unrelated?
Thu 19:43

What would be the point of the role if it just told you if someone was a magic user, that's exactly the same as the Witch Hunter
BowlOfDicks Thu 19:43

for the record, i didn't block soslow or villager, so it looks like there is either another courtesan, or more likely, a direwolf
Thu 19:43

my guess is there is some other aspect to it they haven't revealed yet, if it is true
Thu 19:44

but if it mentions magic it's unlikely to mean something entirely unrelated as the term already means something within the game
Phantom Thu 19:44

But they haven't told us, meaning it's probably not something they think that the village would be happy about if they knew
Thu 19:44

It follows then that they're possibly not village aligned, or at least not fully village aligned
Thu 19:44

Similar to the Illuminati
BowlOfDicks Thu 19:45

definitely a possibility
Phantom Thu 19:45

And what was that about the Illuminati, oh yeah, they want to kill the Masons
BowlOfDicks Thu 19:46

phantom, did you see dead in the mason chat at any point?
Phantom Thu 19:46

Nope
Thu 19:47

First night was just Jezebel, I did not speak because I missed the night and she didn't say very much at all
Thu 19:48

Second night we both spoke and she told me the answer to the riddle and said that she would recruit Her_Her as planned
Thu 19:48

Third night I sang a sad song to myself
BowlOfDicks Thu 19:48

and who and when have you tried to recruit?
Phantom Thu 19:49

I tried and succeeded to recruit Witch last night
BowlOfDicks Thu 19:49

anyone before that?
Phantom Thu 19:49

We did not think that it was appropriate for us both to attempt to recruit on the second night as it was possible that we could both end up dead
BowlOfDicks Thu 19:50

ok
Moderator Thu 19:51

Protectorphile votes to lynch Phantom
Protectorphile Thu 19:51

Not make it close
Phantom Thu 19:52

So, what would have to happen at this point for you guys to change your votes?
Thu 19:52

Or actually a better question
Protectorphile Thu 19:53

A GD coming out and contradicting Kirsch's result
Phantom Thu 19:53

In hindsight what should I have done differently that would have made me more trusted today?
Thu 19:53

Because from my point of view, recruiting Witch last night was the best thing I could have done
BowlOfDicks Thu 19:56

the problem i have is that every person who could verify your role has died the next day (and there is also suspicion around your other mason leader), plus there are others that claim stuff that makes it sound like you aren't a mason leader (though i admit this could be a bandwagon claim thing to look legit)
Phantom Thu 19:57

So do you think I killed Jez and then deliberately picked Witch because she was dead?
Thu 19:57

Or how does it work?
Protectorphile Thu 19:58

Oh, something I wanted to say -
Thu 19:59

I think Burdock was baiting when he claimed HM - maybe messiah?
BowlOfDicks Thu 20:00

i was thinking either that or someone trying to draw kills away by sacrificing themselves, either as a normal villager or seeing a faction member under pressure
Thu 20:00

sorry, that was regarding burdock
Thu 20:10

the most likely scenario i can think of at the moment is you tried to kill jez, but jez was coven and swapped away, so you killed the militia that became jez, then next night you killed witch under the pretense of recruiting since there was a chance you were being watched and witch could potentially be a problem
Phantom Thu 20:10

That's not how swaps work, unfortunately
Thu 20:11

Well, I mean, I guess it kind of is
Thu 20:11

If I was able to kill and did try and kill Jez then her swapping wouldn't prevent that
Thu 20:11

She would have just died in her new body instead
BowlOfDicks Thu 20:12

sorry, i missed part of the theory out when i was rewriting it to be clearer
Thu 20:13

if jez did swap out, they would have also killed someone, coven would have killed the miltiia who became jez and one of the others who died that night would be your kill, the original jez
Phantom Thu 20:15

My problem with all these theories is that nobody bothers to ask why this would happen if me and Jez are on different teams?
Thu 20:15

I confirm Jez is Mason Leader, I think kill Jez the following night and then Jez gets checked in the graveyard as non-Mason and then what for me?
BowlOfDicks Thu 20:16

you wouldn't know she would be swapped though
Phantom Thu 20:16

Plus, if I'm on a different team to Jex, how could i know she wasn't say a Vampire who I couldn't kill?
BowlOfDicks Thu 20:17

i think there's a chance you might be the vampire, actually
Thu 20:17

of course, you could also be an extremely unlucky mason leader who's had several fake claims to set both you and jez up
Thu 20:17

fake claims and kills, that is
Phantom Thu 20:18

So in that case why would I try and kill Jez instead of trying to recruit her?
Thu 20:18

Ah, I guess if we're assuming Jez was coven then a Vampire recruit would still kill her
BowlOfDicks Thu 20:19

yeah
Phantom Thu 20:19

But do you think a Vampire would make such a risky play?
BowlOfDicks Thu 20:19

i don't see why not
Phantom Thu 20:19

Jez could have called me out on the second day if we were both evil
BowlOfDicks Thu 20:19

if you already have a recruit you have a way out
Phantom Thu 20:20

If I already had a recruit, why not use them to confirm me as a Mason?
BowlOfDicks Thu 20:21

maybe to avoid there being a spotlight on the recruit?
Phantom Thu 20:21

If you think I'm a vampire you should give me the chance to prove I'm not in my opinion
BowlOfDicks Thu 20:21

how could you prove that?
Phantom Thu 20:21

We have a Protector, we have a Stalker so pick me any target to recruit and I'll try and recruit them
Thu 20:21

Protector protects Stalker and Stalker stalks me
Thu 20:22

If they die tomorrow, I'll let you lynch me
Thu 20:22

If I don't visit, I'll let you lynch me
Thu 20:23

If I visit anyone other than the person you choose for me then I'll let you lynch me
BowlOfDicks Thu 20:24

hmm, neither are verified though
Thu 20:25

plus whoever you would recruit would have to claim they were now a mason even if they became a familiar
Thu 20:26

besides, it looks like it's just you and i here right now, i don't think we could tie the votes unless we know for a fact both puppets are alive and voting for you
Phantom Thu 20:29

Well, yes, but you'd at least know who the Familiar was
BowlOfDicks Thu 20:31

true, though there's also the possibility that you'd just kill knowing you would shift into your first recruit - hell, you could theoretically have 3 recruits now and one of your kills could have been militia familiar whilst you recruited, plenty of places to hide
Vampire Thu 20:32

Didn't get a chance to log on for today, I feel like i get flak for bandwagonning or for asv-ing, is phantom definitely evil?
Thu 20:32

or is there a summary i can read for today so i can make the decision myself?
BowlOfDicks Thu 20:32

Search for ====
Vampire Thu 20:33

ok thanks
BowlOfDicks Thu 20:33

to answer your first question, it's not definite that phantom is evil, but there is a lot of signs pointing to it, the majority of the evening chat has been us discussing that
Phantom Thu 20:34

I object to the term "a lot"
Thu 20:35

There is one semi-supported claim but the majority is just "well you have to admit that it looks bad"
Vampire Thu 20:35

Jez had claimed ML before she died, correct? If she was checked as militia then it's possible she was swapped?
Phantom Thu 20:36

Yes, but in order for her to have been swapped she must have swapped with the Militia the night she died
Vampire Thu 20:36

Not that it matters but I feel like I'm inclined to think that Phantom is more village-aligned than Her_Her
Thu 20:37

Well you are the other claimed ML, isn't that what must have happened from your perspective?
Phantom Thu 20:37

I think that's the nicest thing anyone has said about me all day
Vampire Thu 20:37

that she was swapped the night she died
Phantom Thu 20:37

Vampire, no I just think that the Grave Digger is lying
Vampire Thu 20:37

But what would his motive be?
Thu 20:37

Fam-GD potentially?
Thu 20:38

Not making the vote because I think it will change anything but just putting it on who I think is less lit
Moderator Thu 20:38

Vampire votes to lynch Her_Her
BowlOfDicks Thu 20:38

it's a possibility, though i think militia would be an odd choice, could have said jez was a familiar or something
Vampire Thu 20:39

I just don't understand how it could happen. I think the most likely 2 things would be Jez swapped the night she died or fam-gd lying
BowlOfDicks Thu 20:39

if they claimed jez was a non-village role, it would make phantom talking to them more suspicious and people wouldn't even consider swaps
Vampire Thu 20:40

Well what would you theory be for the check and claims?
Thu 20:40

Non-lit GD or what?
Thu 20:41

Also did Werewolf claim after being checked as a wc-user?
Thu 20:42

just ctrl+f'd and it looks like he did not
BowlOfDicks Thu 20:42

yeah, i don't see a claim from werewolf
Vampire Thu 20:43

Jez as a militia would have no reason to fake claim ML
Thu 20:43

so it has to either be a swap or false gd report
BowlOfDicks Thu 20:43

i agree, it would be a very strange claim if they were a militia
Phantom Thu 20:43

I still think my theory that they misunderstood ML to be Militia instead of Mason Leader is the most plausible one suggested so far
Vampire Thu 20:44

@Phantom, are you talking about Jez misunderstanding?
BowlOfDicks Thu 20:45

that kirschsetup mistook militia and mason leader?
Phantom Thu 20:45

No, I'm talking about KirschSetup
Vampire Thu 20:45

I don't think you can misunderstand a report that clearly states a role
Phantom Thu 20:45

I think in whichever faction chat he is part of last night they planned for him to check Jez was ML but he misunderstood the abbreviation and said Militia instead
Vampire Thu 20:45

Oh so you think he is just a lying evil
Phantom Thu 20:46

Yes, that's always been my opinion
BowlOfDicks Thu 20:46

i was actually going to suggest that as a theory, but if kirschsetup was a familiar-gravedigger trying to back phantom up but mixed it up as you said and had to role with it
Vampire Thu 20:46

Well a swap wouldn't make too much sense because someone would have claimed to have previously been jez
Protectorphile Thu 20:46

where is real gd?
BowlOfDicks Thu 20:46

if jez did swap, they would have had to kill whoever they swapped with that night too, with a witch or something
Vampire Thu 20:46

unless luck was involved and both swap targets died
NotCoven Thu 20:47

Or previous-jez didn't want to claim because they're evil and successfully escaped
Protectorphile Thu 20:47

and he got it right on dead
NotCoven Thu 20:47

But tbh I agree the GD is really sketchy
Vampire Thu 20:48

ya i don't think it makes any sense
Thu 20:48

not that the vote matters now but
Moderator Thu 20:48

Vampire votes to lynch KirschSetup
BowlOfDicks Thu 20:49

i think if kirschsetup is lying, he might be a familiar gravedigger who messed up like phantom said, but was originally trying to back up phantom, otherwise i think he would have said jez was a non-village faction to frame phantom
Vampire Thu 20:50

maybe its possible that a shapeshifter tried to become the GD and messed up the check like you just suggested?
Thu 20:50

well a little different than you just suggested
Protectorphile Thu 20:50

he did it right when checking Dead
Vampire Thu 20:50

How do we know that again?
NotCoven Thu 20:51

Hahaha oh my god what if it's Phant himself who said "say she's ML" and he mixed up
Vampire Thu 20:51

was he confirmed by another GD?
BowlOfDicks Thu 20:51

that's what i'm thinking notcoven, but i think i word it badly
Protectorphile Thu 20:51

He dug Dead as ML afaik
BowlOfDicks Thu 20:51

if kirschsetup is not village, that is
Vampire Thu 20:51

how do we know that dig is correct?
Protectorphile Thu 20:52

we don't
Vampire Thu 20:52

Ok i was just confused because you said he did it right
BowlOfDicks Thu 20:52

wekillalot claims to have robbed them and become mason leader from robbing dead, but that was after the dig was announced
Vampire Thu 20:52

oh interesting
Thu 20:53

We don't even have any idea of how many factions there are do we
Thu 20:53

Next thing we know there is a demon and he immolates half the village
BowlOfDicks Thu 20:53

kirschsetup was seen digging by a drunk-turned-stalker, so if kirschsetup is lying he's a familiar digger or auto is lying
Vampire Thu 20:53

:'(
Thu 20:54

So drunks have hidden roles until they sober up?
NotCoven Thu 20:54

Auto's story feels Familiar
Protectorphile Thu 20:54

points at door
Vampire Thu 20:54

?
Protectorphile Thu 20:54

but true
NotCoven Thu 20:54

jejeje
Vampire Thu 20:55

ok, sorry i just need to do a lot of rereading to get everything down xD
Thu 20:55

I'll be more informed tomorrow lol
NotCoven Thu 20:55

What happened to those other 2 drunks?!
BowlOfDicks Thu 20:56

i don't think they came forward
Thu 20:56

or if they did, i missed it
Iceclaw72 Thu 20:57

shoot when is night fall?
Thu 20:57

5 mins or 1hr???
Phantom Thu 20:57

in 3 minutes
NotCoven Thu 20:58

Prays this story tells us something more...
BowlOfDicks Thu 20:58

in a couple of minutes. after talking through the possibilities, i'm going to vote for phantom, for the reasons i've outlined above, though i do appreciate phantom talking through possibilities with me and making his case, and the discussion we've all had after that
Thu 20:59

huh, the vote button isn't working for me
Moderator Thu 20:59

Iceclaw72 votes to lynch TheServer
Iceclaw72 Thu 20:59

since my vote doens't matter
Moderator Thu 20:59

BowlOfDicks votes to lynch Spud
Moderator Thu 20:59

BowlOfDicks votes to lynch Phantom
Iceclaw72 Thu 20:59

I don't want to vote since randomly when don't know the situation..
Moderator Thu 20:59

Daylight is almost spent...
BowlOfDicks Thu 20:59

there we go
Thu 20:59

that's fair iceclaw
Phantom Thu 21:00

Good luck to my fellow villagers
Moderator Thu 21:00

Public disdain for the Elders began to rise, but we had to be careful. Those that spoke out loudly would often just 'disappear'.
Thu 21:00

We were forced to meet in secret, using old Masonic hideouts. Alas, we could not reach agreement about what should be done. A handful of our grandparents remembered the time before the Elders, and they harboured resentment against the Masons for failing to guard against the Elders' rise to power.
Thu 21:00

While most bickered in secret, some of us fled to find help. The story of our plight soon spread, and wanderers started to appear in our village. Some came to help, claiming a desire to rid the village of witchcraft. But not all of the new arrivals were to be so benevolent...
Lynched Thu 21:00

Phantom was lynched by the village
Moderator Fri 09:00

The safety of daylight approaches...
Killed Fri 09:01

Lurker was killed during the night
Killed Fri 09:01

AutonomousSurfaceVehicle was killed during the night
Killed Fri 09:01

Iceclaw72 was killed during the night

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