If we have two or three enemy teams to deal with, it could add up.
ah fuck it - now it sounds like I'm telling Trelawney to claim that
He clicks buttons.... and finds them
What role can click button and find wolf, other than seer?
"talk and be reasonable" = "suspicious"
Luna has a point, but I think people are voting because we gotta go with someone
It's not even 12noon
We can still talk about it and change our minds
Plenty of time
we've got 9 fucking hours
Click buttons... get messages
we haven't "gotta go with someone"
He could be a beholder
it's day 2
I trust Slug more
Hagrid - how can you justify that?
just on Harry's weird wording
But I don't think there is anything stopping two seers
These games have patterns
What do you think is more likely? 2 legit seers or 2 seers with different results
Right now, we have no better target other than Trelawney, if you have info that is more trustworthy and gives a more important target, then votes will change
I think there are AT least 2 seers
but I also think Harry is a beholder
But let's discuss it at least Slughorn
people are far too happy to vote
He appears to not claim seer, but state the mechanics
Which is easy to fall back on later.... or he could be the BH and leaving his role open to claim
I just voted harry while I was reading
Before I finished
I can see that not all voted
And I think setups often leave the village to make 1 mislynch or 2
And now we have chaotic village
I don't think that we would have broken seers
I want to vote
Who is your coven, in case you meet a poor end
Whilst worthy a test, if we want to be sure of no mistakes, perhaps having them check one another's targets could be worthwhile?
He sated it earler
Severus is one
He's on top of the list, if anyone wants a reason why
Lucius is quite poetic
I'd consider letting him join the club
I believe this will be another game with tons of text and after a while my old brain won't be able to keep up
Well then, if Harry is possibly a Beholder. We have a seer or BH that he targeted
no - it must be a seer? as a BH can't target wolves?
Dear Mod, were you in a coffeeshop when you set the roles for this special? Asking for fun.
Or can they
If he is beholder, I'm sure he's happy about us all talking about it so muhc
BH can target wolf AFAIK but no BH does that N1
No - very unlikely
wait you think BH would not only target their teammate, but then tell the truth about it the next day?
I find this whole beholder thing a bit odd. How did we came up with that?
in what universe does that happen?
(that WAS a little hostile)
are you listening
No Draco, last time he was on a train
Luna is weird...
Pay attention please
If you are going to call people out for not reading - you must yourself, read
Do you want to claim properly, Mr Potter?
that's why I wonder how beholder got into the discussion
Luna, if Harry is the beholder and he visited a seer. His target is almost certainly 'lit'
Hagrid bought it
Because the seer saw wolf, which is unlikely to be a BH, targeting a teamate on N1.
the likelihood of his target being legit is the same as him as a seer being legit
The Hellhound is just a bit too out there.
Because we have 2 seer claims still
I see the idea of claiming seer as beholder, but that's not the case for me. But I tihnk it's a cool idea.
we can stop talking about it if Harry wants to just explicitly claim
Harry, please just say "I am...[whatever]" to put an end to it
He hasn't yet. That is why I was speculating
Hermione Thu 09:39 The left mouse click is my heart at its fineness. Thu 09:40 So, are you claiming Seer? Harry Thu 09:40 Yes, it's one of my strong points
I think Luna has a point, Harry could be a different kind of seer, or Trel is lycan/BLed
However, until Trel speaks up herself, we believe in Mr.Potter
Harry, those messages flowed so fast, I read it as you saying "yes" to the first one
I mean what more do I need to claim? Is there a form to sign? O_O
I couldnt be sure that the 'Yes' wasnt a response to the 'left mouse click is my heart....'
I have no clue what the mouse click thing was meant to mean
at this point, you're actively NOT being explicit
so now I kinda want you to be
I AM SEER
Luna - do you not think his deliberatley being difficult, and both of us reading that statement the same leaves it up in the air WHOA
let's leave the beholder crap behind
Well. Thats fun then
I'm off now for a bit
back to moan at you all later
Do we have puppets though? I don't think Rub can amass 23 players after 1 day?
He is pretty popular
it was ~21? when I last checked?
He's hawt stuff
I cant remember either
I still wanna check Luna, I find it an odd suggestions that Slug and me have to shut up and have no say now.
Hagrid votes to lynch Severus
I don't think I was vague in any way when answering. But I get how my yes could be attributed to the other sentence.
Server is a potion so master
oh poor thing :(
I am Fred
Sorry for your lost
Severus would make an appropriate alchemist... potions
Fred. What do you know about george
Will you join the slug club? With me and slughorn
Sorry, I've barely
Slug still here?
We don to trust slug
He claimed seer
But Harry seer too
George is Fred allegedly
is this another HP Ting?
are fred and george related?
Sry you have to speak more clear to me. I also didn't understand de sever potion master ting.
Now I get the references
ok, try for Now, will be back later
A Djinn, huh.
Boy, this escalated quickly. Odds are with so many players, there's multiple factions (and if George is indeed Fred then there's definitely Coven), and if I remember right Rob's Crazy Seers™ were only designed for wolves, so it's unlikely there are multiple Seer types. That leaves us with either two legit and lucky Seers who were eager to come out (possible), or at least one is lying (and probably a Bloodhound if they are).
Trelawney and Severus need to speak up today, then I think we can decide - even if both Seers are legit, they are now at risk of being shifted, swapped, redirected, murdered or just being generally distrusted.
My guess is both 2 seers will become vanilla tmr
under the mighty power of the Alchemist xD
Trelawney votes to lynch Harry
Jeez, eight votes
I'm am not a wolf or lycan. I'm a protector.
Okay... I'm reading through this and I've been accused day one... To which I think is completely disingenuous.
I'm certainly not a coven role. I mean i might be down the line given my luck as a graverobber with 2 evil digs. But I'm certainly not a coven.
Severus votes to lynch Slughorn
If there is a GD please give me clues this time.
What was the reason for your "checks" Harry/Slughorn?
Interesting, so this is a GR claim?
Isn't it obvious?
Ppl. want CLEAR statements here. I thought the same about my claim ---
Lucius votes to lynch Nymphadora
I don't deem it worth the risk. Perhaps a Bloodletter is at play. More information gathering could be beneficial.
Although, protective roles are a popular choice amongst wolves..
corpses don't lie -_-
Perhaps we'll see.
I'd much prefer we verify our claims as "Seers". Club slug and Club Potter would very much be fronts.
However, whatever potion Slughorn has taken this morning certainly seems to have affected his judgement or sight.
I would very much prefer to see Slughorn and Harry both visit the same person
With 3 factions (Fred/George claimed swap), a simultaneous check could solve this. I still think two seers are quite possible. It's quite a classic in closed setups.
and see how their results vary
oh hey Harry - great minds
but you seemed to dislike earlier when I said that we should decide who that person is, as a group
uhm, you said it in a very harsh way in my opinion
because I don't trust you
that hasn't changed
do you trust me?
of course not
that's not harsh, it's real
Oh boy this is day2... not sure how this game will like later.
two seer and a gr claim day 2. rob must be delighted. until I see a claim from wney I'll vote her
Lily votes to lynch Trelawney
She has claimed Lily
How likely do you guys think 3 Seers are?
I am totally on team Slug
Are you claiming? I'd accept it until further dispute given the theme
Severus is coven
George votes to lynch Severus
Also, I really am swapped, this is not a rp thing
so this makes it even more likely that not all of you are sane seers
note, Harry, I'm not being harsh, this isn't mean, I'm not saying you're not A seer. I'm saying that you might not be a real, proper seer who gets normal results.
I missed all the fun -.-
Let's aim for 8888 words spoken for this special.
Im trying to digest the claims so far. Truly chaotic village indeed.
So two "Seers" just so happened to check the same person... Right... I'm sorry but that's just off ludicrous
After ext-160, I would like to open my mind that anything is possible. What's used to be impossible seems possible. So, other than taking everything with a pinch of salt, I have to have some space of ludicrousness that the possibility is there although highly unlikely, it can be likely. Le sigh.. Im not making any sense, Gonna play game and then see how this chat escalates.
WELCOME TO THE CLUB GEOGRE
I'm a Slug now?
@Severus, yes, truly ridiculous
Yes, you a now officially a Sluggerian
We have lots of cookies
Loving it already
All the best for the elite
I think we all should check Luna tonight
looks at his dirty, holey robes
Slughorn - I don't think the claimed seers should have input on the choice. Now you've "chosen" me, I shouldn't have any input either. Thanks.
we should try to find a neutral party to be the target, you and the other seers might be lying, therefore shouldn't be involved in that decision - IMO
Interesting. What made you both choose him? Even if this is a pair of wolves attempting to secure the safety of Trelawney, the information of him being Coven should still be real if it comes from a Bloodhound. Trelawney could participate normally in the game now that she is out, I would like to hear more from her.
Would we want another Protector to counterclaim day 2?
How about a quiet one for the check? Dobby? It works as pressure as if they are evil they may try to oppose.
Luna looks to be on the same team, whether its villager or other.
He wasn't nice to me
Fred. Who did you visit?
Fred's dead baby. Fred's dead.
No. George is dead.
Unless he's trying to hide something.
Hagrid, did you see something?
Looks like I got my wish for claims, the mythical triple seer claim
The concerning thing is it actually happened before.
A kill swap, on George/Fred coincidence or something else?
Felt like there was a push towards defending Trel earlier
She didn't seem very concerned about defending herself
MadEye votes to lynch Trelawney
I mean, she claimed
I didn't defend Trelawney, as much as I defended the concept of anyone in that situation
A prot would be a hard loss, her reaction seems odd though. No rebuttal. Just 'I'm prot'
On that note though there hasn't been a counter claim
I read through all of this. I find it hard to judge. Two checks on the same person seem weird. the defense of trelawney is quite short, too short. I'm a bit short on time today will asv until I hopefully get moment to process it all in my head.
Ollivander votes to lynch Greyback
We need to check the seers against each other.
Lynching doesn't help us do that.
This is effectively a random lynch
and you guys hate those
+10 bajillion to Luna for the Pulp Fiction reference
And this Seer got a village
This is a claim
The 4th Seer claim?
I'm a Seer as well.
Shit I misspelled spartacus.
But really. Gravedigger stay quite until we need you if you're there. I intend to not to use my skill until we can be sure someone is legit. *PTSD flashbacks to previous games.*
Sev, why you lyin'?
I'm not a Seer... I'm not lying. It was a reference to spartacus.
Well, you're causing c-word. . . like a coven
Good lord... I love this.
3 apparent checks on me.
I'm actually amazed.
You're Snape ofc people will check you
I didn't, though
I'd be inclined to check draco or lucius if we're going by Villian logic but I'll bite? Are you some beholder or just stick up for team Slug?
No, I'm Seer, but my check came back village
So I'm not sure if everyone wants me to tell who yet
It wasn't you
So your conviction of me is?
If someone wants to cross-check results, that's fine
I didn't convict you
You should tell us your result Wormtail
in case you die tonight
I said you were causing the c-word, the way coven likes to
confusion? People have been far more confusing than Severus
Much as I love you, Luna, baby, I'll see if a few others agree
I was commenting on the GD, wait see, j/k tthing, that's all
It was entirely situational
I didn't know we were past simple jabs
Ahhh... I thought you was Wormtail. Sorry.
What's the deal with everyone getting so defensive about discussion?
It's okay. I'm on defensive mode considering the hot and ready accusations.
You make a statement, I say "hold up, let's talk about this" and suddenly I'm being harsh, taking jabs, what next?
No, I was jabbing, not you, lady
fan your bloomers
Great. . . now we're ALL dead
Also I'm sat waiting for a house viewing so only you two are my company at the moment.
lol first person to say voldemort
I'm rather fine company, if you ask me
I'm guessing I've missed something here...
Apart from the whole hiding in rons pocket most of his life.
Is it true what they say about gingers?
That they're lovely people?
I don't know when to rp and when to simply talk to people
I have failed
So have I...
if we scream and run around in circles we should be okay
I've been doing that the whole time
Okay I skimmed and caught up a bit and now this whole thing seems super whack
Feel inclined to agree with Luna and not go with this lynch
Kinda want to see if we can get some confirmed information first
40% of people currently on the lynch
If you can turn it around, I'll be impressed
given we seemingly don't know if there's puppets,so can't accurately balance votes
What a crazy first day. 4 Seer claims. I'm kinda leaning towards this having crazy-seers given the number of them
you've got 3 hours to fix it
I'm trying to remember how mod said the crazy seers behaved with coven, but coming up blank. That said I'm more inclined to trust the 2 seers that saw severus as coven right now
Dobby votes to lynch Severus
I find it odd you trust two ppl. in a game of 23 checking the same person first night, revealing after me. That's quite some leap of faith you do there.
2 saw Severus as coven?
yes, the same night
I missed the 2nd
I'll read back
George who claims to have been fred.
Harry: I said I'm more inclined to trust.
Also, I think Seers seeing Coven is more trustable than seers seeing wolves (even without fake-seers, there is no coven-lycan for example). Also, the counter from Severus is GR, which is a shady role anyway.
Good point, Dobby
I'm willing to bet we have GD action
Uhm, it's the other way around.
A wolf can't fake a seer claim while finding a wolf.
But a Wolf can fake seer by finding a coven
He's saying there could be lycan or BL
I'm not saying you're a wolf, I'm thinking you might be a crazy-seer (4 normal seers is just too much)
And we can get a better idea of that tomorrow
When there are 2 checks to compare against
So who would village have me check?
I don't wanna have revealed for nothing , just because someone came up with the rob seer idea.
And do you guys want me to name my N1?
Why is Day2 reveal always the day I get angry and frustrated because ppl. don't wanna lynch the obvious wolf. -_-
I hate my stupid, ugly face so much
Harry: you've got to agree though, 4 seers is a bit much if they are all legit?
mod, sane setups, blablabla
Wormtail: I would want you to reveal your check
This is not a mod-setup, this is a rubin-setup
And Rubes would want it to be memorable
and mod helped
dun dun duuuuun
but is crazy seer interaction with coven even implemented?
Mod explained how it was implemented on discord a while back, but I can't find it
"I don't wanna have revealed for nothing" then you should have thought about that before you revealed
"I get angry and frustrated because ppl. don't wanna lynch the obvious wolf. -_-"
it's NOT obvious
in a normal game, it would be obvious to YOU
in this non-normal game, even you should be able to see that it's not obvious at all
Even when it's a player game it follows some rules. And I don't buy the crazy seer idea until proven.
If it's not a crazy seer game, even better
Whats good about crazy seers?
because 2 or 3 wolves just put themselves in the spotlight
if it's crazy seers, we need to lynch someone to find out.
no we don't
we need to compare results
Look I hear that every game I'm seer.
Almost certain Rob's Crazy Seers™ don't work with Coven, unless they've updated them recently, but I don't know how they'd work if they did. It's much more likely that we have 2 real Seers and 2 fake ones. Severus can't be a Lycan because he's claimed Graverobber, so either he is lying or both the Seers who claimed to check him are.
I kinda pushed for the "crazy seers" angle because I wanted wolves to jump on the opportunity
because you 4 are under a lot of pressure right now
so who jumped?
but maybe you jumped early too
people have been talking about wolves fake claiming seer for a while now
it has to happen at some point
I get that and it seems to have worked to some extent, but now we have 4 claims we need to state how unlikely it is so people don't run with it as their main theory
Sirius: no one said Severus was a Lycan - he got seen as Coven. My point about the lycan was that 2 seers seeing coven as coven, even with rob-seers, was potentially more accurate than a seer seeing a wolf at this early stage.
well that's impossible
(to say how unikely it is)
you need to weigh up what Mod and Rubin would have put in
which is impossible in these types of games
OK then, I read the Lycan thing wrong, ignore that part
I haven't ruled out Rob's Crazy Seers™ entirely, but it is more likely we have fake Seer claims since we're very likely to have multiple factions (and if George was swapped with Fred, it's even more likely), I'm concerned that we have fake Seers that will try and lean into the other Seer types to skate by ("Oh, my claim was wrong? I must be the Insane Seer" and so on)
Problem lnching Trel is her prot claim
her prot claim is half a sentence
without bothering to ever return
We know there is coven in play (there are puppets - people confirmed it when the game started that the numbers were +2, and if you check the API you can see it, coven+puppets is non-negotiable), and if there are coven there has to be another killing faction as otherwise the game would take forever
Yeah, and it's not like there are noobs here
She has 9 votes XD
The prot claim is very weak, granted
Ah, wasn't around when the game started, that does confirm Coven then. We should assume there are at least 3 factions to be safe for now then
4 seer demon/coven game with no prot roles
2 djinn, 2 alchemists, and a succubus
I checked Ginny, by the way
Wormtail votes to lynch George
Not my official sus vote, but in case I get pulled away, I have a vote at all
long winded temp asv
OK, so our Seer claims and the counter claims:
Hermione => Werewolf = Trelawney (Protector)
Slughorn => Coven = Severus (Graverobber)
Harry => Coven = Severus (Graverobber)
Wormtail => Village = Ginny (?)
I'm back, and I reread a little
@Sirius I think you mean Harry => Werewolf = Trelawney (Prot)
And my Slug club is expanding, I love that!
Oh shit, I did get that wrong, sorry
I'll redo it
yeah, totz wack
Why do my name and Wormtail's have the same format anyway
OK, ignore the previous list, here's it:
Harry => Werewolf = Trelawney (Protector)
Slughorn => Coven = Severus (Graverobber)
George => Coven = Severus (Graverobber)
Wormtail => Village = Ginny (?)
Can't believe I read it so badly, thank you for pointing that out Slughorn
At least you read, which is better than some >.>
I think the Slug club need to check 1 person tonight, if we all get the same result, then we're all totally Sane
If not, we need to analyze a bit further, and figure out a way to give what's best to this village
If there are MLs, I highly suggest hiring some of us, incase we don't want to be exposed as Insane/Paranoid/crazy
Knew I should have waited until I finished eating... I'm fine with that plan, since I don't think we can really trust anything they say from this point anyway, but maybe we'll learn something from it (still think it's unlikely that all 4 are legit).
Asylum would be a great place to gather
Do you think all 4 should come up at the same time and state the result together?
Ideally, but I doubt that'll happen, sadly
We should try to organise that though if possible
That's also assuming none of them die tonight, keeping in mind we almost certainly don't have enough protection for all 4 and any fake ones might shift/swap out to avoid the heat tomorrow
Or someone might swap into them, come to think of it
Good villager roles are welcomed to visit us, keeping the chosen safe and sound
Yeah, but it's gonna be hard to co-ordinate them without revealing even more people. It's good in a way though, even though we're going to have to take any Seer checks with a huge portion of salt, we've gotten a lot of info already for day 2, so that's pretty good
I'm also not sure I believe either of the counterclaims our Seer claims have revealed
I think it's just a peek of the whole series, more will be revealed tomorrow
As others have pointed out, Trelawney hasn't really bothered defending herself further despite the number of votes on her, and Severus' claim seems flimsy too. I agree with you though, we're not in a bad spot at the moment
The good thing about not revealing more is that Coven and village will have the same death rate, since wolves may want to eliminate hidden threats before it appear. Have faith in this village I must say.
If there's no counter claim for Trelawney's case, I'm afraid that there's no protector in this setup, and we might have to deal with losing Seers very soon
I'm off, going to vote for a player who hasn't spoken today, in case Trelawney manages to come up with a convincing defense in the next couple of hours. We will have to start lynching people who've claimed today soon, sadly, though as Luna points out, there's probably at least a couple of non-village roles who have stuck their necks out today.
Sirius votes to lynch Ron
So all seers check one person?
Nobody will follow a plan. . .
back for a bit
Neville seems a fine choice to me
especially after he went so quiet today (that hypocrisy)
Why hasn't Trelawney defended herself anymore :/? It does seem right to make some sense of these seer claims, before jumping the lynch gun.
We shouldn't lynch her
It feels to me like wolves are leading this lynch
Would be nice to see some will to live
If the severus is coven, he's going to to long gone and swapped away by tomorrow
Which he is
2 Seer claims saw it
Hope we have a WH
Why are we still lynching Trel?
We better do
Still waiting for her to say more. I'd rather risk a GD than a prot, but I'd rather lynch a wolf than a coven
but if there are 4 seers, she's as likely wolf as village
it's literally 50/50
so "rather" doesn't come into it
Think I'm being bias towards the first claim
A few sentences from Trelawney would easily sway me, the bandwagon seems pretty heavy from earlier
I don't think that that is what ME wanted to say, Luna
(I think he wanted to say that losing the Prot is worse than losing a GD)
would be hilarious is wolves took out PM first thing
Neither Ron nor Grayback spoke today
If they're dead tmr we'll know for sure
Still 9 on Trelawney
which is fucking absurd
The following people voted on Trelawney. If a GD brings back that she's village, there's anti-village in this list, guaranteed.
one of them has clearly unvoted, but I can't see which
also, did someone choose a target for all the seers?
Like I said, I wasn't gonna get involved
since I've done crazy things like "defend people"
"If I'm coven." Which I'm not.
SOmeone proposed Neville?
Guess I should prove I'm not a puppet
I'm sorry but you admitted to being shift killed and per chance in a game of 23 people managed to find a coven the same as someone else on n1. I'm sorry but whatever game you're playing I haven't seen it before.
Spoilers: not a puppet
Oh, hey Ron!
I did nahhht. Oh, hey Ron!
I did not hit her... I did nahhhhy
Luna, is this man bothering you?
15 points to ravenclaw
I forgot we have puppets
We do, indeed
Neville the beville, wassap?
You're tearing me apart Wormtail!
Severus, I really am Fred :D
No, you're George
Oh gosh this RP non-RP
I can clearly see it says "George"
Yes, I proposed we all check Nevs
I think it's good to nails someone down and compare
We could go on Ron, too
But I like Neville
Neville is pretty hot
He's a sexy bumble
You should check him
aw I like you too boo.
CHECK HIM OUT
Although, Ron is 100% my HP crush
Neville aged well T_T
I, however, and the sexiest of us all
Look at that lack of chin
Thows lush brows
Wormtail [Thu 17:16] I hate my stupid, ugly face so much
You literally can't even go a day without lying
Sexy and i know it
Check neville out. quite literally
also, I think Draco is a wolf so maybe someone should check him or something
Not tonight though!
Can we please, just one, have a plan and follow it?
Am I to expect some company tonight?
If everyone FOLOLOWS THE DAMNED PLAN
THAT WAS NOT A TYPO
Everyone should follow the plan
plans are good
we have all the plans
the best plans
If not, probs just me, Nev
I hate your Trump mouth, but I love your ginger face
Also, I'd just like to offer the village some advice
We don't know if there's a direwolf in play or not, so keep in mind
Direwolf can't roleblock you if you don't use your ability!
Wormtail, do not say he who must not be named...
You mean Voldy?
I mean the name that rhymes with fump
Ts be damned
I rather have him as president tbh
than our Minister of Magic? (which book are we currently in?)