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Morning! I will asv for now and hope intel roles come and deliver some info or this would be a rather boring d2.
Singha votes to lynch Chang
StellaArtois, what is that? Some kind of girl's name?
Singha is probably Chinese?
Some fake beer I guess.
I'm not fake!
Anyone feels like pondering about setup and/or going for some anti-ASV votes?
I'm Stella something.
Im thirsty for action.
And I'm thirsty for some record-breaking feats.
Don't drink yourself. You will be more thirsty.
Just checked. I originated from Thailand.
Who's up for breaking some world records?
Me me me.
I'm from Dublin, Ireland... apparently.
Where I'm come from?
I just want to say that there is a connection between Harp and Heineken
Harp said yesterday that Heineken was no beer and that it tasted like water
It is a semi closed set ups. So i guess it is wolves vs village. 5 wolves could fiture omega.. But not 100 percent. They could have two shifters a dw a bh and a blood letter.
Oh god. No talk about beer, please.
Could be nothing, or could be victim announcement
Or, could be that wolves wanted us to connect those 2 to keep us occupied
But we haven't seem blood letter enough so I guess Omega is more likelly to be a part of the wolves team.
Mahou votes to lynch Erdinger
Mahou votes to lynch Chang
Mahou votes to lynch Erdinger
Mahou it could be just random posting. It happens on d1 that no one is really serious about anything.
Damn you fingers
I wanted to asv on Erdinger and close the voting/players tab, but accidently pressed someone elses name in the process
Make up your mind, Mahou! ;)
Hi Tuborg. I like to drink you. You taste good.
StellaArtois votes to lynch Harp
Omega could be an option. There's something in the ratio between wolves and village members that tells me something is happening.
17 villagers. Something is happening.
There couls be bunch of neutral roles lurking. Could be?
Tuborg or green fun how they call it in some part of the earth
I hope for some drunks. It would be so theme appropriate
Uhm, could be a weak or a fragmented village - so Masons versus Illuminati, Inquisition versus Witchcraft - a fragmented sounds more spicy than just a weak village.
If there where neutral roles and mod puts a semi open set up. Would we know about neutral roles?
Natural roles won't be stated? They are not Village role. So...no right?
Good question. I think that Neutrals should be mentioned. But that doesn't inform us about what mod would do
Were*. Damn where and were. Damn them.
I guess not. So there could be some
And no I am not one. I am just stating am option.
I want to discuss whether it serves us to have a slower progression of information with higher average security, or the opposite.
*starts taking notes* I am already getting some vibes
Tbh. I am always open for early claims that make any sense.
Like intel based claims.
Oh, It is not wise for me to claim just yet
Early claims is part of this puzzle, but I'm specifically thinking of early non-claim lynch hunting.
Gotta lurk a bit before that
Well depends on what basis.
Would you be opposed to it without an early claim?
What if it happens that we make that who ever person claim am important role and we doom her ?
Let me rephrase the question into a somewhat leading one: are you OK with playing the game also without role info?
I am not ok with playing this without any info.
Knowing thst there are 17 vs 5 helps the village. It should help us more then not help us.
Then fake some! :D
I'll probably take these odds, I will assume that power is not heavily concentrated in this setup, that we won't rely on just any role
Hey, Singha. Look at your screen.
See all this information popping up?
Do you want me to be the gutsy one?
It's called text, and it carries loads of info.
Or yoh are just pulling my leg?
Here's a piece of info for you: I AM THIRSTY FOR BLOOD.
Yeah I get that.
And no that's no Maple claim get off my ass! ;d
Want me to claim blood digger? Haha
I just know one thing... we are sure to have at least one or two lycans
Since the wolf count is small
I can be the gutsy one for the sake of intel.
Yeah. And at least one maple.
Tubor. Do you want me to claim?
Mahou, I see it's probable, but I don't think it's the only way this setup could work.
No, Singha, not necessarily.
And sorry my phone is going crazy. Or i am typing fast..
If you had to lynch somebody based on activity so far, who would it be, Singha, and why?
And who gives you a good first impression?
Look at d1.
It was rather active.
Wolves might be hiding right there.
Possibly. Tell me what you think! :)
Uhmmm let us not forget that it's still a fucking morning and not all of us can be active at this time
And most people don't even bother to join d1 chat
Oh, you're misunderstanding me.
So yeah, you can't judge the activity based on that
No. I am not judging activity based on that.
I'm not saying 'look at those absent people, let's lynch them' - I mean: 'look at what people said so far, what you think of them?'
But it so happens that every word in this game counts.
Oh, that's something else entirely
Especially d1. I caught bunch of wolves only by reading d1.
Beck was rhe most active and a rather sus.
Thats my oppinion of him.
And what made him stand out to you as suspicious?
Beck Mon 18:20 Ok, so all of you can trust me. I am a trustworthy beer. ---> Overcompensation, much? Or just somebody being playful?
Ok, so all of you can trust me. I am a trustworthy beer. There is no fur on me. I have to fullfill the Reinheitsgebot. So 100% without any fur. StellaArtois Mon 18:20 *more confuse* Beck Mon 18:21 Lynch StellaArtois, claims confused already.
Yup that part.
Thanks for sharing.
It could be playfull. But I have seen a lot of wolves using that tactic.
I'm most unsure about Mahou at the moment, but I'm not sure yet if it's just a difference of personality.
My guess is difference of personality.
Oh, I am just a firebrand
And I have my own reasons to play like I do
I'm sure you do :)
All of us do
Tuborg I am ready to claim.
Alright, this has been fun. I'm going to get back to work for a moment. I'll probably check in somewhere the next 2 hours, see if more people are pitching in
I'd like a bit of tabasco with that beer please
Singha, I suggest you go ahead if you think it's worthwhile
I visited Beck last night.
Here it comes!
... and now you can't protect them the upcoming night?
The suspense is killing me.
And no he did not see anything. But that doesn't discredit the fact that he might be a wolf that just did notthing
Or maybe he saw who else visited
So we have non-intel in Beck, and Beholder in Singha.
He did not visit anyone i mean.
I am a stalker
So we have non-visitor in Beck, and Stalker in Singha. I stand corrected.
I get those two confused
Now, one would argue that many important village roles visit somebody at night.
Ah!! I was hoping for a harlot claim, though it would be a dumbest harlot ever :D
To come out with no intel
Combined with the D1 activity, we might swing a vote in that direction. Not saying it's a strong vote, just a slight playful one. Like a nudge, or a conversation starter.
Tuborg votes to lynch Beck
Well, even stalker woth no intel is dumb :D
Tue 08:32 Ah!! I was hoping for a harlot claim, though it would be a dumbest harlot ever :D --> somebody who wants to see the world burn or somebody who likes their intels exposed?
Well, gtg to work too
Mahou, again - your way of speaking feels so wolfy. If you're village PR, you're doing well.
OK, work has to be done.
See you later!
When I say I was hoping for a harlot, it's because it's my fav visiting role (and he said he has a visiting role)
Any stalker claim has some info with it.
So singha stalked beck and he didn't move. Ok.
Maybe he was expecting a visitor so he didn't leave his house?
I did not move?
You claiming something ? Haha
According to your report?
I read that as back
Sorry I am blind.
Not yet ;)
Assuming Singha speaks the truth, we can say Beck is an ordinary citizen, or a non-intel role.
Yes I will call you Becky.
I am telling the truth.
And all we can do is assume.
Hey Beck, are you indeed non-intel?
I stalked you a bit.
Yes or no.
What Singha said.
Don't read back.
What if Beck is non-killing wolf last night? We must add that to the possibility. Heh :)
As i said that is a huge possibility.
Are you reading back?
Didn't I tell you not to?
dont care what you say
Don't you know I hold the records?
Am I being too aggressive? This is day-2
Little bit. But nahhhh.
I got rb btw, just saw it.
No you are not agressive
Beck is kinda self defensive a bit.
Ok so we have a role block claim.
That means either a court or a dw or both
Dw is of course a possibillity
DW has the motive to random block.
But that means Beck is not the killing wolf.
Or a wolf. Lol.
For that matter.
Or he was court-blocked.
Do you have a motive for blocking Beck, lovely courtesan?
Yeah well we might never know who blocked him.
Mythos votes to lynch Mahou
So you already know that I was blocked by a dw or why that sentence Singha?
Guiness votes to lynch Skol
Say no to booze. Stay in Skol
That sentence implies you dont expect a court to claim they rb me Singha. Only wolves would have that info.
It's also interesting that Singha claims visiting Beck. And of course he would know Beck wouldn't move..
If he's a wolf, that is.
Or the DW himself.
Hoping a harlot would be on him, seeing the visit.
But it's just a theory. And guys, this is day-2. Can't we just loosen up a bit?
is it possible that .. singha is the direwolf and was scared someone saw him visiting, so he mentioned it before the other..
But that wont work, because what if Beck did visit, then he would be busted
Okay never mind, scratch that
Also u guys think itll be a problem for me playing this round as im an alcoholic.. in recovery...
Harbin votes to lynch Miller
You're not an alcoholic, you're the alcohol!
You're not the victim, you're the culprit.
What never heard of the double sting?
The alcohol who got addicted
Its own essence was its own bane!
Nope, never heard of that one.
Well now you can put in your records
Yo, I got me a Guiiineeeesssss YEA
Would it usually be a good idea for courtesans to come out or stay put?
Right now, I'm sus of Beck for being defensive. A court claim can change that, so yeah I think it's a good idea. That is, if Beck is worth saving. It will depend on his claim, I think.
Ok so we have one intel role out
I would suggest first defence shit should be taken up by Prot
And the next night by HM
this should help them coordinate
Shift* ——- not shit. Oops
Not if Beck claims something better.
Then court backs him up.
Then HM takes Beck
And switch again
Oh wait, this just came to me. So Beck didnt go anywhere coz he was blocked. So he might be a visiting role..
I was trying to make Beck hint, and he wouldn't say if he's an Intel role or not. So there's a chance that he might be at least a visiting role. A vanilla would never react that way.
I'd say we lynch Singha, he never answered my question and just disappeared. His sentence implied that he knew I wasn't blocked by a court, which only wolves would know. So coupled with that stalker claim I think he might be a dw.
Hold it, cowboy.
Or tell Singha a target he should stalk and harlot can be on that target to confirm his visit.
That sounds logical and all, but to push for Lynch, we may need you to claim.
Read back, major red flags with this statement : [Harbin] I would suggest first defence shit should be taken up by Prot Tue 09:19 And the next night by HM
Why do you want both the defense positions on an unverified D2 claim , i just found it odd.
So Guiness why should I claim?
I wont claim.
If the majority thinks they want you to claim , then you claim.Its pretty simple actually.
Yeah, dude. You're being accused.
Now I am scared
We're all scared.
I see nothing that suggest I am accused.
Beck yoh missunderstood my sentence.
I don't think a cort would come out to say they blocked you. Even if they do i would sus them as a dire wolf
Not just me. A lot of people would.
Your sentence said never. So you also dont expect a court to claim they blocked me on later days.
Beck no one says you should claim. But being overly defensive and just kinda atagonazing the other villagers does make me sus you even more. Because if you are a villager you are not helping us.
I am not accusing you of being a wolf.
I am accusing you of being a wolf.
Yes my sentence said that because I dont believe anyone would come out and just blantly state they blocked you because it could make them sus. But who knows? If they do it helps us.
Also that accusation is dumb and is done out of spite. And no i am not a wolf and not trying to frame you.
You on the other hand not claiming can only mean you are a wolf that is afraid of a counter claim
Interesting situation. Seems a strange coincidence, a D2 Stalker claim on a non-visit, and that person just happened to be blocked?
To Mythos, I just thought it is a good idea to protect our stalker. Didnt mean any harm.
But now I see our stalker is turning out to be shady
Could be a DW involved, could be that Beck doesn't want to give wofpack certainty about them usually being non-visit. As in, keeping the option of PR open, possible bait.
Singha tell me a single reason why I should claim.
Also. Does anyone sound sus that he would be so overly defensive and yet i did not see him visit because he obvs was blocked.
You don't have to.
Also, a random prot seems even less effective than a D2 claim, so I agree with Harbin, and think Mythos might just be playing critical villager for the sake of it.
Nor I want you to. You just sound as an evil. It doesn't mean you are one. Overly defensive means you are baiting a seer to check you
I am defensive if I sus and accuse you? I'd call that aggressive.
I'd call not claiming defensive.
I would put more weight on a random prot/check/harlot than Beck.We don't know what he is, he can be an omega for all we know.
Not saying he is , saying he can be.
Mythos, anybody could be an Omega, for that matter. How would you strategize against that?
Anybody who requires a check might be an Omega-bait, anyone putting them in a position where they need to be defended could be Omega-bait.
By randomizing visits and making sure loads of intel visits don't visit a single target.
Out of fear for Omega, we couldn't move at all. So there'd be conditions for when we do act and when we don't?
Ok, i claim Stalker. Do you now understand why I am shooting so much against Singha?
I got your claim Beck when you gave your check.
OTOH, a mass extinction event after a combined announced visit would be a good lead to the Omega.
Stalker visited the stalker that was blocked
Nothing unnatural about that
oh, sorry, that was singha.
Hear all about it!
Guess im also stalker! (Total joke)
You missed that part
Ha, I like the double Stalker situation. Interesting. Either we have a good lead on wolf, or it's proof we have lots of visit intel (or we just happened to find the two visit intels in the village, ugh).
Lots of village intel would be a hint at an Omega, maybe.,
But seriously, hmm. This throws a banana peel on my thingystuffs
I still they they should both be protected
Guiness, want to elaborate on that?
How about we test them. One of them should visit me tonight
The other visits another volunteer
Well, now I kinda get why Beck would be so adamant with not claiming
In his defense, that is super sus.
Then tomorrow we see if they are lying or not
The only thing that matters is that they claimed, no matter what they said before, and what they claimed =)
I just thought that if you're pushing for Lynch, you should claim, am I right?
No, you are wrong.
Well claiming did clear things up though
Pushing for a lynch doesnt mean you have to claim.
It's common courtesy.
I mean it sucks that you were pushed to claim. But it did help us got a hold on what is going on
But yes, there are instances.
[ Harbin] How about we test them. One of them should visit me tonight ==> Again, do you think this pre-planning of visits is wise if we know there is an omega around.
[Singha] Tue 09:35 You on the other hand not claiming can only mean you are a wolf that is afraid of a counter claim
Interesting word choice, Singha.
(you said this before Beck claimed.)
hmm, The wolves may have blocked and seered Beck.
To Mythos, right. Forgot about Omega.
If wolves blocked and seered Beck, it puts Singha ina very bad light. Not because he is a stalker as well, but because he confesses to visiting Beck as well
True, need to run an errand , will be back in an hour.
I must say, at the start of day I had slightly good feeling about Singha, slightly bad feeling about Beck. It's turned on its head!
Tuborg votes to lynch Singha
I'm voting Signha because it reflects my current suspicion. I don't feel we need to lynch necessarily, I feel that with the claims and accusations made we have the info and leads I desired from D2.
I'm always greedy for more info, but I wouldn't want to expose more people with claims.
I get to be one of the best German beers. An honour.
Watch out. There are alcoholics around.
I'm equally an alcoholic. I'll drink them to replenish myself.
<Tuborg> Tue 10:02 If wolves blocked and seered Beck, it puts Singha ina very bad light. Not because he is a stalker as well, but because he confesses to visiting Beck as well
Feels like I didn't unerstand this statement well enough.
Because I don't seem to find much sense in it.
Actually I said that. Not Tuborg
You guys look similar and shit.
Can you explain it a bit better?
Basically IF as tuborg said ‘maybe wolves blocked and seered Becks’
So if that happened
Then Singha says I visited Becks
It just made Singha look bad. Not because he was also claiming Beck’s role
But because he admits to being there
Like I said the whole Stalker visiting a stalker that was blocked seems unnatur
Hmm. So what you were implying there is that Singha might be the dire?
But ive seen weirder things happen. So I dont like to pass judgement. But gently observe that note aloud
My question is, if it was a Courtesan’s job, they would most definitely own to it
So we are all sure it was a direwolf terrorizing Becks last night?
Not really. A court COULD potentially come out today since it doesn't harm the village intel-wise, but the court could also just lay low once they get confirmation from their target about being blocked.
Well, dire until proven court, imo.
Yeah ur last line just made the court whimper and stay hid
Oof. Can I completely terrorise them dires and courts?
*whimpers in fear*
Question: What role do you think Singha is, currently?
Until proven evil
A test would have been nice
But, Mythos reminds me of Omegas
What about Omegas?
Basically I volunteered to be visited by one of the stalkers
But Mythos said it would be an easy kill for Omega if we plan out our vista
You don't actually think there would be an omega in a group of five, now would you?
Very possible. I mean the numbers.. 5 against 17
We've had setups with 5 v 17 before. No omegas.
Fact: Omega in a pack of 5 will make the pack too OP. Balance-wise this is very unideal.
2 Alphas might be possible, but not an omega.
*shrug* So we go for the tests?
Im curious if theyll pass
Frankly, I think the test sounds fine.
Would you volunteer as the other?
We need two separate targets
Sure. From what I gather, there will be a stalker on me, yes?
Sounds like a good idea.
So if you dont mind being seen visiting
Or not visiting
Oh, not at all. I'm completely up for it.
Okay we are not allowed to choose our stalkers
Because what if one is wolf and in cahoots with us
You dare suspect me? :o WHAT IS THIS???
So someone from outside, like Guiness or Mythos, can choose which one is assigned to whom
I would rather if Mythos didn't make the choice. I don't feel good about him. That omega suggestion seem like an attempt to generate paranoia.
Guiness YOU DERE?
Fitting, dont ya think
He holds the records..
(Wow everyone is dead)
Or just at work. Who knows? :p
Yo VILLAGE, any old crusty villager would do
Fuck it, ill take Singha
I'll be back in an hour or 2 myself.
You take Becks
Yeah ill be off as well I guess
Beckerman, remember to stalk me yea?
Erdinger votes to lynch Mythos
*clink of glasses*
Tuborg why the vote on me?
I mean i have read what you said but still
We can have two stalkers.
And yes I will stalk beck again just to see where he goes
If this is him trying to frame me -.-.
He imediatly becomes over defensive. Jumps on me and on other people and then tries to act as lit? I mean why would he act so defensive. I did not even see where he was going because he was blocked obviously.
Singha, I think you are supposed to stalk me tonight
I will do whatever you guys think it's better
Well it is only agreed upon by me and Erdinger
But that overly defensive attitude and throwing a shade on me
If he is a stalker ok cool we have two stalkers.
Im sure ‘some’ will come up before nightfall to bust this tes
Somehow, I'm feeling ok with this plan. Test the stalkers. Yes, it's not gonna work, but it opens up opportunities.
Why wont it work?
Wait, maybe better not say
I mean if it involves wolves, then dont give them any ideas
Question for Becks - Who had you chosen to stalk last night? And why
How come you confused beholder and stalker Singha? Just read and state your check, I don't see how that could have happened to a real stalker. Also, if I think someone is evil I am calling them out. No way I am keeping my sus hidden. Normally if someone accuses me I don't shoot back if I think they are lit. But I don't think you are lit with everything you have written so far.
I wanted to stalk Stella yesterday Harbin.
Any particular reason?
Because of the d1 confuse claim.
Disclaimer: "World Records" do not refer to any type of Excel, notes, spreadsheets, etc. It's just a term I use for role-playing.
((Nobody's thinking that, Guinness. They know you're lazy.))
Let me put my fundamental disagreement of the plan :
P1. There can be no Omega.
a) If we believe singha to be evil and another dire to have blocked Beck, the play style suits a omega to be in wolfpack for early targeting.
b) https://werewolv.es/game/index/ext-274 : 24 players, 1 vamp, 3-4 covens, 1 omega,1 bh , 1 Wolf, going by only one evil this game, quite possible an omega to be present.
P2. The stalkers visiting targets and confirming them will give us some intel
One of the targets can be cahoots with a fake stalker if he is there
OR the stalker target can be blocked to give easy litness to the stalker.
Leaving even all that aside, i just don't want Singha to stalk Harbin.
Yup. Simply introduce a dw in this plan and everything gets tangled.
i don't think there is Omega
we have 5 wolves so it unlikely that we have omega
i think this setup have something interesting
17 villagers, that is a lot of villagers
i think the theme could be a hint for drunks
G'day mates. Crikey there's been a bit of nattering. Two things to add to the day: I'm no drunk and I'm no lycan.
hmm, you aren't drunk and you aren't vanilla, right?
Bloody oath mate!
what do you think about current situation and about the setup?
This bunch of coldies are blowin heaps of hot air to make even the top esky struggle. You reckon mate?
You gotta be larkin to think there's any omega here
Omg what did I miss?
Never saw a D2 that active
Oh I'm Budweiser. I enjoy drinking myself
We have 2 stalker claims and some people thinking about omega
Anw my pov from what i saw: i dont think 2 stalkers claims sus
Oh i read back already. Thanks ^^
Late night bud?
And about omega. I think possible
But why do we have to concern about it when we are not sure there is or there isnt
With the game size. I think its not impossible
How about drunks?
I mean the theme looks like some kind of hint
It is a hint that the mod was drunk when he started this game :D
Or maybe he was sober and dreamed of a cold beer? :D
Oh man! You are a talkative bunch!
Budweiser... that sounded so wrong!
What an utterly fascinating day to read through.
Allow me to posit that, if there was an Omegawolf, my offer of having everyone visit me yesterday would have led to a significantly larger number of deaths.
Anyways, I doubt that there's an omega.
Allow me to further posit that, with a large village, some sort of misdirection or otherwise internal conflict is necessary. This can take the form of Vanilla variants, or subfactions, or roles that make the lives of other roles a pain in the ass.
Carling votes to lynch Bintang
5 Wolves is dubious when you think about an Omega being among them.
Bintang votes to lynch Carling
right back at ya, bub
You're a bub, bub.
you're not my friend, pal
I'm not your pal, buddy.
I'm not your buddy, guy
Lasko votes to lynch LabattBlue
I'm not your guy, chum.
Sr i was outside
About drunk: very thing is possible.
Mod surely doesn't want to stick around.
I havent play many games to know what kind of roles are possible and what are not
Just dont know why we have to spend time guessing without clues
Mod would have specified Neutral roles in the setup.
Things will get clear later
Really? I missed that too
Noted. Thanks Carling
Therefore, I maintain my belief that there must be internal conflict or uncertainty inherent to the village setup.
Budweiser votes to lynch Peroni
I.e., Zealots, Maplewolves, other stuff.
We didnt come into conclusion about how to test the stalkers claim
DW invalidates all plans. I say we see how it pans out and throw random stuff at it until it sticks.
Hi, going to read back!
Too much shitposting...
You'll find that the majority of it is constructive.
^ All theory and assumption. No shitposting :)
About cc on d2! @singha, why should we claim if we are important role? To let the wolves find us easily and kill us? It’s stupid to claim if we do not have any important claim, only seer with wolf check is good idea to claim d2, or harlot who visited the death person
Singha Tue 08:22 Look at d1. Tue 08:22 It was rather active. Tue 08:22 Wolves might be hiding right there.
It won’t always work
As we i saw a wolves who was pretty active! And all the village trust them
For the stalker thing , i was thinking overall its better for them to target strangers other than the two names discussed/assigned to them.
After reading things trough, I have picked up 2 persons who are giving me wolfy vibes
I will investigate that further
You want to say who?
Well, one of them is one of the stalkers, the other one has been around today quite enough... not gonna name them for now
Because if I name someone and I am right about them, there is always a chance that they are a shifter and escape...
Fair enough!!! Nobody wants to attract too much wolfy attention on to them this early in the game :)
I mean, odds are small, but I don't wanna risk it
I will conduct my own investigation and if I come up with some results, I will let you know
Or, if I do not, I will also let you know
Anyways, semi-closed setups are almost always filled with a lot of paranoia, and also, evil doers will often suggest OP roles of their faction that are not actually in the setup just to stir more paranoia and fear, so I am focusing my attention to that at the moment
That is why I believe that OW is not present, otherwise, as someone said before (can't remember who, I was reading in a hurry) there would have been more deaths last night since he said he's throwing a party and invited intel roles for a check yesterday
Great, some of that will be on me also as the chief proponent of omega theory :) .
Did he , i never read D1, chat, i may have too read them up.
I think it was Guinness but I will have to check again
Both of stalker claims can be fake..?
No, it was Carling
Could be, but not likely... why would 2 wolves come at each others throat?
Unless it's a clever act
To make village belive one of them
But for now, I believe one of them is lit
I played speed game and saw 2 covens played against each other
For covens, that is completely normal
Cos they only have one goal... mayhem
I can’t trust tbh? Singha claimed with no intel which is sus
And beck claimed stalker later, not in that time singha accused her
Let me just tell you that Singha is most likely lit
Hey just got on and read up, so am I supposed to claim today then or no? cause I have information
when i started to read back i felt he is lit but when i read more he got sus for me
If you have information, by all means.
Because 1. Stepping out with no intel and claiming a power role is good (even if you do not have that role but are a plain vanilla), because you a) draw wolves attention to yourself and gove actual power roles more time to do their stuff b) call for a seer check anyways
And yes, it was I that threw the party. I ended up eating the cake and drinking the beer myself.
Peroni do you’r think your informations will help?
2. His reasoning behind his stalk had a point
I mean I think so
Mostly because embodiments of different alcoholic beverages don't have the capacity to eat cake that I buy for them, and don't engage in cannibalism.
Last night I saw Guinness as a wolf
Do you think you’r* my phone going crazy
Mahou Tue 14:37 Because 1. Stepping out with no intel and claiming a power role is good (even if you do not have that role but are a plain vanilla), because you a) draw wolves attention to yourself and gove actual power roles more time to do their stuff b) call for a seer check anyways
But then again, not that interesting... it could be a lycan thingy
What if he was the reason to lynch real stalker?( if beck is real)
Yes, I wrote that, what of it? @LabattBlue?
Sorry, what's a lycan?
@peroni you claiming seer?
Oh, you refering to that block+sniff theory? That both bh and dw were involved around Beck's last night?
Hmm so guinness can be wolf or lycan, or you are paranoid or insane? IF we have
Yeah, that's what it said I was @labattblue
Ah god my phone is annoying
Possible but not likely...
@mahou LabattBlue Tue 14:41 What if he was the reason to lynch real stalker?( if beck is real)
Because if wolves did that move, they would be sacrificing one of their own for a Stalker... and since the village is currently outnumbering them, that would not be wise
Because in that scenario, after the stalker is dug up, we would all know to lynch the fake one
And 1 for 1 trade is not a good idea for wolves... at least not now
And not over a stalker
Since a stalker has n-himself number of possible players he can stalk
And that number is pretty high at the moments, and chances are he won't stalk a wolf
Wait so then what are we supposed to do now?
Just to know, we have stupid players in all the games who cant recognize evils from village even when everything is obvious
And they will help wolves to lynch village
Beck Tue 10:53 How come you confused beholder and stalker Singha? Just read and state your check, I don't see how that could have happened to a real stalker. Also, if I think someone is evil I am calling them out. No way I am keeping my sus hidden. Normally if someone accuses me I don't shoot back if I think they are lit. But I don't think you are lit with everything you have written so far.
You are throwing so much shade at me without any reason at all.
I was tired because I haven't slept and I went to the doctors and I waited 2 hours for my results.
I can’t forget when i was lit protecter and one stupid village helpt wolves to lynch me
Do you need some more personal details about my life so you would know why i got mixed up?
Also, it goes to their benefit to leave Stalker alone since even of he checks someone who was visiting but is not one of them, then that person has to be tested to prove his litness, which gives them more freedom to do their stuff
Stop trying to to frame me. I only stated who i visited to help the village because I knew you did not visit anyone. Believing that either you are no intel role - hence a vanilla because in 17 villagers we are bound to have lycans ore vanillas.
But no you start defending yourself and throwing shade at me without any reason at all!
You did not attack me first you bud heads with everyone who even asks you something - 100 percent wolf play.
I have to go btw ill be back later
Then you start gathering followers around you and you start pressing harder without any reason at all! i did not even sus you or force you to claim!
Chill down, Singha.
Dudes! Chill it out okay!
Both Singha and Beck's (when he gets back)
And me budding heads with you doesn't work but you just insist on going so far to frame me that you need to be an evil or just someone who wants to spice things up.
I am ok and i am chill
It's stupid to go fighting when there is a way to prove/bust you guys
Peroni votes to lynch Guiness
Singha smells weird. Also, a wolf hit on a Seer claim calls for a vote, IMO.
I just don't like when people wait for me to leave the game and then start punching
Tuborg i am lit :)
Tuborg votes to lynch Guiness
I smell weired because I am kinda angry. Not really angry but kinda angry.
Because I don't like his style of play.
Well yeah... If he is not a wolf, then he is an unfortunate lycan
And lycans almost always get lynched for the sake of the village
A claim from Guinness seems right atm
Let me ask you a question. Did I attack him? Did i give entil because of our conversation about giving out info and possibly finding out lynches? Did anyone force me to claim? No. If I was a wolf why would I do this?
Yup, he should check his records book and come up with something believable
Not interested in this conversation. Also, have to leave for a bit.
Singha votes to lynch Guiness
Oh, hahaha. This game...
Is always crazy.
Haven't played in a while I guess I forgot the feeling.
I'm cc seer. Checked Bintang as village!!!!!
Are you serious now?
Well I expected a vanilla claim
But I guess we go hardcore.
I guess they found me early.
Might be. Using the chaos I created with my claim (Did not mean to do that) and then just trying to get someone lynched in the process.
So we have a stalker, stalking a stalker... And a seer seering a seer.
That is just .. Crazy. Damn I even changed my target during the night. I first wanted to stalk Budweiser then I changed it to Beck when I was reading d1.
Did the Wolves eat a Wolf?
3 for 3?
Mahou. What do you make of this?
People with more experience... a question? Has there been an insane seer in any of the closed setup games before?
Because if there is now way we have an insane seer, then we've got ourselves a seer battle!
Singha perhaps you could be lit, we will see. I like to push hard to get reactions.
Which totally overthrows the stalkers
Sorry Beck for sounding dodgy. Not my intetion really.
Did not plan to claim but i did for the sake of intel. Believing you are a vanilla.
No I havent seen an insane seer in a long time.
And there where some crazy set ups from 270 untill 278.
And I have only ONE scenario in my head that would lead to Peroni being fake
But in that theory, Beck's would also be in his team...
Now, I am not going there, it just crosses my mind
If you guys want me to, I can share
But know that it is NOT an accusation against either of them
How am I linked to Peroni? Sure tell us
I want to hear that too.
Okay, theory is this: (clear the stage while I say I am done, I don't like being interrupted)
In that scenario, Beck's is a wolf (and an important one)... he was forced to claim and get into conflict... so now Peroni steps forward to draw attention of off him, and calls out Guinness, but nails a seer?
Not likely though
So if we scratch all that, that leaves us with two seer claims, the first one being with a wolf check which almost always sounds lit, because it is normal to come out if you find a wolf
But then again, that still leaves Guinness's claim under a question mark
Well, all the claims are under a question mark
Okay, I am done presenting my stuff
Uhm, Mahou it didnt look like I was about to get lynched. So I dont see the link to the seer conflict.
Because I visited Beck and i really did not see him.visiting so it means he is indeed blocked. I am inclined to believe he is lit.
No, but there was enough attention on you so in that theory he wanted to draw it away
And yeah. No one wqs lynching anyone so i dont see peroni stepping up to defend or just make a diversoon.
But as I said, that theory of mone is not that likely
But. Because this is a crazy game. Anything could happen.
So let us get back to the matter at hand
We have 2 stalker claims that came into contact. But those are overthrown by the weight of the other matter
Two stalker claims, with one of them being a counter to the first claim
Upon being accused for being a wolf
This can go many ways
They don't really counter each other. They just sort of... Exist.
The Seers counter.
Our conflict was only based on behaviour not on the checks, so but the stalker matter aside for now.
Well, it's not a direct counter like, 1 checked 2 as a wolf and 2 checked on as wolf
Is there only ever one seer per game?
But they counter because 1 checked 2 as wolf, and 2 claims to be a seer also
No, there have been more, but it is very rare.
So it's a seer battle
Usually only for the various Seer sub-types.
A seer and a blood hound who does the same thing as a seer
But because we are 17. Can we have everything of two? Or at least some double roles?
If they are both seers then Peroni wouldnt have seen Guiness as wolf.
Double roles have to have some underlying meaning.
Hence why I think the village is expected to be weird and full of turmoil.
I won't scratch the possibility of multiple seers just yet
Oh that's true @beck
Yes. Its not possible for both of them to be lit.
Insane Seers. <smart.gif>
But in this case, the only 2 scenarios in which both can be lit are: 1. Peroni is insane and 2. Guinness has been marked with wolf blood
Do you really think mod would do this to us after 277?
Haven't played 277 so I don't know what sex position mod used upon you guys
What did the mod do in 273 274 270? Crazy set ups Beck.
But I just know they always love to fuck our minds
Anyone want to hear my current theory?
Subfactions, Vanilla variants, and roles that typically have an annoying time (i.e. Seer + Maplewolves).
Those are my thoughts.
Or maybe it's just normal but scaled up to 11 on both sides.
Yeah, I did not want to mention MW in case Guinness claims that
5 Shapeshifters versus whatever. Madness ensues.
If you ask me, you can leave 3 player slots for MW+lycans
That makes up for the lack of wolf numbers
We had 3 shifters play against coven and others.
Im inclined to believe Peroni is wolf. 2 seers seem unlikely against 5 wolves, unless 1 is insane. Hmm.
But.. we have a rb claim?
Could be a court that also found Beck's sus yesterday and tried to prevent him from killing
And I doubt court would come out if that is the case
For all he knows, he failed to stop the kill
Or maybe he even succeeded to stop ONE of the kills if AW was doing something last night
Those are only big IFs
Havent seen an alpha in a long time. Forgot he exists.
Alpha normally doesnt kill n1
Against a village this big?
Hell I'd do it if I was one
Reduce the numbers
Then when aw is used up, he can bait and fake claim
Best play ever
You kill one village member + you draw some out
I used to think like you, Mahou.
I'd rather kill a important role n2/n3 or an unclaimed than to go random n1
With bh info its easier to hit good targets
And id rather wait for smites.
Guiness, are you a wolf? Please be honest.
Im not awooooooooo
He said smite. Lynch him
Why not go random n1? You kill 2 village people (whatever they are) and your bh gives you intel for later use
I'd hold off the alpha until later. Also, general strategy discussions don't seem useful in the game.
The conjecture that a Court blocked Beck and they were Alphawolf seems far from relevant/verifiable atm. Let's drop it.
Lets move on with my case, shall we?
Sure, I mean, this is a puzzle after all... Right now, we just opened up a box and threw all the pieces onto a pile... now comes the sorting... And only then can we start putting it together
I'm wondering what's best to do right now. I'd say we eventually kill all of you, but the exact time and order could be optimizedn
Thanks for that poetry, Mahou. It's a great help.
If I had know what one claim can do I would have never oppened that pandoras box
I just don't want us to rush it
Guiness, your buttocks are on a line. Want to suggest a plan that doesn't involve killing you today? :)
Im still unsure about Peroni, honestly.
He saw you as a wolf.
I mean, do i just kill him or shift into him?
Oh, did i say that out loud?
Oh. We are being jokers.
I will move my vote to Peronni for now. Untill we figure out what to do.
Singha votes to lynch Peroni
I'm thinking it's unrealistic to out yourself with a fake Seer claim as wolf. There's too much time you have to be alive and be trustworthy. And too early for SS/SS seems too costly for a single lynch on a Seer-type.
Peroni being the first gives them an advantage, IMO.
I usually trust the first seer claim, so I'd say lynch Guiness and dig him.
And i dont usually trust people checking me as wolf when im not.
Beck. What if we lynch a seer? We are out of any info.
especially when im seer.
There are 2 cases: bh found seer and wolves clain seer to get him lynched (unlikely, as it would be easier to just kill him n2)
Or there is insane/para seer
Thats the second case
Which I also find unlikely
no, checking the seer as.wolf is a brilliant move. its almost trusted immediately.
Not really, gd busts you.
i lost my google keyboard, its hard.
So you have to shift, or fake claim gd and link multiple wolves together
thats a good point actually.
And I ask again. We lynnch Guiness and gd sees him as a seer
What do we do?
crazy tactic, lynch the seer coz the bh checked him.
Consider the intel we have and then act on it, that would probably mean lynch Peroni
... how so?
Havent seen a ext game where wolves sniffed seer n1 and got him lynched d2 yet
Well I dont play enough
Beck votes to lynch Guiness
*grabs the world record*
nope. didnt find any. but i can recall an attempt to get the seer lynched with a fake check.
the real seer was also recruited that same night he was bh checked. seems i dont have that luck.
yet the whole mason was sussed the entire game.
Guys. There was a game when BH check seer in a night and have ss fake seer right afterwars
Because a seer can come out any time if he got a wolf
Ive seen check seer -> fake seer many times
So far we havent sure about insane seer or so
I suggest we give them time to proof themselves
thats why its a very strong move. it doesnt kill the seer immediately, true, but it sets the village up for a rollercoaster ride.
A seer is far important to lose
That was on d3 i remember. But the situation was nearly the same
And about 2 stalkers thing
Singha claimed too early to be fake. Seer can check him right at night. Unless he was the DW
His info about Becks didnt move is correct, and he sounds confident about that
And about Becks, if he was fake, he just need to claim mitlia or vanilla later
And confirm the block or not
I dont think he needs to choose cc stalker
Let me say again. I do not believe he is fake.
All of those two (despite the fight)
I think they are both trustable until they were proven fake
Nor I ever sused him or made him claim. I believe we are two stalkers.
Yes i think so too singha
I have an idea. If I am actually an insane seer and Guiness is a seer than I might screw us (I just read insane seer)
From what i saw and what i read, i understand that u didnt believe he was fake after his claiming stalker
Guiness check me tonight and know that I'm village
I'll balance for now until someone says why lynching would be better
Peroni votes to lynch Harp
I would say we shouldnt lynch the seers or stalkers
Guiness check Peroni sounds ok
Well what Peroni is doing is not exactly a wolf play style.
Unless peroni was omega
If he wasnt. I think its ok
Peroni can check one of the stalker
And both stalker check peroni.
Its kinda confirming things
But waste a check because we are going in circle
But if u guys think it worths
Go for it
wait but if there's an omega wouldn't everyone die
Who ever visits him dies.
If there is an omega, planning visits is stupid
or who ever he visits and if someone else visits that person
But we havent known
Why afraid of st we are not sure it even exist or not
ok, right now im more sus of Peroni just because thats exactly how i would play if i were wolf in his position... does that make sense？
Yes. But pp style of play is different.
What?! I'm trying to help you out Guiness
But i was the same wth u guiness
If i saw sb play the same i played when i was evil
yeah, its more of a personal bias type of sus
It wasnt about helping, peroni
it seems genuine really.
No Guiness, if he is wolf and you check him as wolf he gets lynched, thats not how I would play as wolf
That's why I say it seems genuine.
Or it would be back to 1vs 1 again
As in seer vs seer
Somehow 2 stalkers make me feel good
Have to sleep
Asv for today
Budweiser votes to lynch Skol
Let me make a 2 2 2
i think i should be watched. you know, in case im SS trying to talk my way out. i should have a stalker.
I will stalk you.
Beck can stalk Peroni.
But one of us 4 will get blocked. Just saying.
ok, and ill check Peroni right？
You check Peroni yeah.
If all 4 of us are lit there is no way wolves allow this kind of play to happen.
One point of concern for me though: If Guiness is actually a wolf, then he could claim I'm wolf after tonight to try and throw me under the bus right?
Thats why I said its 1vs1 again if he says he checks you as wolf
Well then this gets us nowhere
Oh nevermind. I forgot about the stalkers checking everyone. Alright I'm all good now
Someone had the theory that Peroni and I work together, so maybe let me stalk Guiness and Singha stalks Peroni? Dunno if it matters, considering where our votes currently are.
Not sure if we should throw too many resources at the four. Surely some. But it's also good to keep scanning others. Just a point of consideration I want to give to our intels.
OK, I'm here now
someone here to say how cool this is?
how cool this is
got questions for ya
so much enthisiasm
answer fast plz, with wolf or not wolf
Hah, thought the same
he comes up with those old stories
like "one day in summer camp"
I like you so far
you got 2/2 right *he he*
Cheers, the pleasure is likewise. So far.
probably village, but a bit of a....
he seems reasonable, made a good counter
what was good about the counter?
mmz, it's a bit of a hunch. but maybe some of the following: seemed relaxed enough about own life but interested in village strategy, gave some anti-SS stuff as tip
Ok, now I'll present my reasons for lynching him
Go ahead! :)
1) he seemed to not wanting to offend anyone at first while he counterclaimed, and then slowly went towards "Oh well I guess Peroni could be evil"
2) If I ever find a seer n1 as Wolf, I'd go out of my way to just kill him unclaimed at night, why the fuss trying to get him lynched
3) bitang is a shit check
Miller votes to lynch Guiness
Miller. Why is Bitang a shit check?
I mean I don't even know what kind of beer this is
there was activity day 1, why not go for one of thoose
Fair enough, Miller. I can see sense in that.
Me keeping my vote on Guiness instead of moving away implies I'm not too keen on balancing in this situation, not for Guiness' sake.
Can a dg just dig him up then? As our friend Beck suggested.
Also I think visiting prominent targets as intel role n1 has it's benefits
you can be seen visiting
which helps your case later
Yes. Thats why i checked Beck. Active and I thought I would get some info.
I wanna take notes of people voting someone else besides peroni/guniess after the seer check
Hm. Good catch.. you sus him?
He seemed like a villager really.
Maybe just a very good wolf cover.
ALSO WHY THE FUCK IS PERONI VOTING HARP, ARE YOU DRUNK MATE?
he's an idiot
He sugested that
yeah it's a dumb suggestion
he's an idiot
Guennis could check him
So he balanced.
why would he want guiness to check him?
Also I don't like our interactions singha
He believes Guiness to be lit and wants to prove that he himself is not a wolf and maybe an insane seer
we have the same color pattern in the avatar
it looks like a fucking mess
Sorry dude. I could keep away from you if you like different colors haha
guiness can't be lit if he got a wolf check on him
There's the Insane Seer, or the Paranoid Seer.
Still, I like the lynch, and I like you, Miller =)
yeah could be Demons!
Do they even exist?
only in broken replays
ok back to the topic
thoughts on the game from my side, little list of involved parties:
Budweiser: odd shit, got a furry vibe, those old stories about bh's and seers didn't convince me.
Stella: hasn't shown up since useful stuff happened
Tuborg, I got a slight wolf vibe at first with the "ooooooh stuff turned on it's head, hooooow exciting" but maybe he's really excited, dunno, he's voting Guinny
Singha, seems kinda list but way too trusting, everything seems village to him, probably a hippie with too much hair in all places
Guiness, Wolf or really reaaaaaaally unlucky. Boy if we lynch you by fault, maybe someone can revive you
Hahaha. You made my day. Not everyone seems village but I can't really go on susing everyone. ^^
Harbin looks so much like Tuborg, I can't remember what he said
I dunno, bit of a cunt to deal with
He talked a lit too
Beck that is
his vote is still on useless Erdinger
I want to see the world burn, hence my excitement at all that stuff ;)
which only contribution was some shit about him being German, Arsch
Go back to 1940. World was burning
Did I miss some significant drunk?
You missed mythis
*F3* *please stand by*
Dont know if he is significant rn
Sorry for being a cunt to deal with
Mythos attacked Harbin
@becks it's fine, you tast e"ok"
Miller, what you think about the possibility of Omega/people going on about that?
wait a moment
I got something about mythy
so Mythy attacks harbin for some prot suggestions
one of them went a bit over the top I feel
probably not the same team?
felt an oddly harsh attack by Mythos
I think Mythos asked beck or myself to stalk him. Something righ that.
So maybe a bit over to top baiting a seer check
Harbin's suggestion seemed rather coy
I didn't read much into it
About Omega, meeeeeeeh
the role goes on my nerves
it's just there to confuse people like zealot
and then once a blue moon, mod fucks around with it
and we got paranoia for the next 30 games
like fking Zealot
Yeah well I have seen the omega a lot in games
It scares me.
"could be zealot??" No you fuck, this is wolves vs village, why ZEALOT you dumb piece of cake
I dunno, seems cheese in a pure village vs wolf setup
for me an omega fits in when you can't cram a full wolf faction in there
like you got vamps, and coven, and undead, and 10 players
so Mod wants to make it fair for the 2 villagers
so he crams an omega in there
ps. there was a BIT of sarcasm in there
if you find it you can keep it.
ps. Don't kill me, I got no cool role
If the game continues like that I'll probably kill myself because of some people's play before wolves can even touch me!
great now everyone thinks I'm messiah
I'm an idiot -_-
Haha. Well if you are a messiah it works
I'M NOT MESSIAH
N OT MESSIAH
I hope you will live. The village needs you
hah, if the village needs some murican beer, RIPPPP
Completelly off topic but i need to know
What is the best beer you tasted?
that would be meta!
oh no. dont lynch your seer. nuuuuuuuu. stop it. nuuuuuuu. somebody bring this dude to his senses.
hes probably drunk.
why shouldn't we lynch u?
tell me what happened
coz im seer.
No like, tell me a real story
no like a story what happened
better question：why lynch seer？
I like Miller
Guys is it just me or does our "Real Seer" get on my nerves
He is acting like he is gullible?
it is a play
like he claims seer
you dont have nerves.
but feels like he has a foot out the door
i was speaking about Peroni actually
Guiness, you are more sus than him right now.But i liked you pre-seer-claim
actualy i still think you are efficient
If you are wolf, i can see you calling a vanilla claim
You got pretty risky with Peroni
which makes me think maybe you werent riskng much as you may be seer
coz i am seer. thats what i keep telling you guys.
But if Guiness you still feel furrier than our gullible nice guy Peroni
I mean you are smart
and smart villagers are dangerous
but then again, Peroni is being super naive
like an angel
i dont know which one is worse
so give us both a chance. dont listen to miller. hes bad man.
Im upset at Peroni's lack of effort to defend himself and fight back
No, i think im siding with Miller
We have two stalker though, cant we go our seers a chance?
so lynch me then？
If you get stalked tonight, one thing can be ruled out
that you are not a shapeshifter or another wolf
but you could always be a bloodhound anyways
I know someone mentioned a bloodletter
i usually throw those theories out
just balance oryt and regret it later, ok
but today has been weird
yo miller yu there>
wanna discuss somthin with you
You know the case of the stalker stalking the stalker that was blocked
then the seer seering a seer
who is a wolf?
It all feels
like this is all a master plan
like i can imagine wolves chatting last night
stating that the two targets they wanna hit and hit fast is stalker and seer
so they just put on a show
miller is nitpicking and aggressive towards me. why side him？ are you team？
we get Singha claiming seer
ssh Guiness im thinking
sorry singha claiming stalker
I lost my train of thought, happy?
Basically, shit feels orchestrated beforehand
with Singha triggering stalker
and Peroni triggering Seer
i just don't know what it can mean
horse pulls the carriage, harbin. not the other way around, sheesh.
youre overthinking thinky. d2 supposed to be nonsense, but now we lynch out of spite.
just think clearly and soberly guys, and dont lynch a d2 sus seer handsome beer.
Your jokes are not showing you in a good light
but its a game, and you control your fate.
I need a beer
Hey Guiness who unbalanced on you>
so i just read up on all this
Harbin I'm here, what did you want to ask?
I didnt have any questions
oh ok then
But your play is.. stinks of baby powder
Why did you choose Guiness?
That was one of the only beers I knew
It is possible you just are a considerate, kind player
but we dont get much of those
everyone is usually "jump at your throat"
I dont feel comfortable lynching a potential seer so I wanna ask, is Guiness getting lynched only because of one player (Miller) or do other villagers agree this is the right decision?
I shall balance until we get an answer as to attract attention
but i am here till nightfall, so i can unbalance once we reach a decision
Harbin votes to lynch Skol
i propose a balance and let the int roles whom are still obscured do some work tonight
So you agree you are village Bintang?
Jk, you know, coz Guiness cleared you
i agree with that, if we have more seers they can check guiness to see if they have the same result.
the only problem i have with it is that we potentially lose one day of intel.
It is possible that both Peroni and guiness are lit so is it worth our while to let them live?
But we have to make sure Guiness cant escape right?
Well stalkers are going to be on them
Yes, but how do we guarantee we do not get duped?
And if one of them gets blocked?
Myself and Beck
They can't block us both
one of us will come back with intel.
Would not-assigning help with blocks?
Yes I guess.
Like, we don't know Singha or Beck, is checking which seer
So they do not know who to block
Yes well I did not mean to tell which seer I am checking
because im pretty sure the point isnt to block both
You only block the one assigned to their fellow wolf
Okay cool i like that
Bintang votes to lynch Harp
Harp votes to lynch Sol
there is no more balance to make
Doesnt seem like wolves would snipe. it would be a waste of a shift
This early in the game and with numbers this high, snipe and shift would't occurr
Should we help out our fellow Protecting Brothers?
Help them coordinate?
HM should choose from stalkers. Prot choose from seers.
Feel free to contest that idea
I like the way you think.
I just hope we do have all the roles you are talking about. Both Hm and Prot
Too busy to read today... Shit.
Hope the village takes right decision today.
want a brief?
Ill take that as a no
okay lunch break for me
Skol, Harp or Guinness eh?
(also a lil insulting that Miller runs when i appear)
Hi I am here let me read everything before I talk
Why those three snags bein thrown on the barbie?
lol that sounds a nervous wolf
Skol dont worry, you are cool
no shade on you
That is a lot for day 2
Hey Carlton, actually none of them are under a trial
it is only a balance thing
It is excellent that you have picked up an aussie lingo
Feels like a shift-repellant
holly shit you guys talk a lot! :D
Gotta catch up again
Just balance eh? Fair dinkum
except for Guiness, he is under trial. it is him vs Peroni
Oh so why isn't the balance on those two
Carlton votes to lynch Peroni
I'll be inclusive
Wolf wolf woooolf
Miller votes to lynch Carlton
Thanks for the offer harbin, i prefer to read myself as i find biases creep in summaries. Ill try to make some time in an hour or so to make a read.
My opinion is still lynch and dig. Dont get why there are suddenly 4 stacks. I don't believe in rob seers for a semi closed setup. I also dont think wolves would sacrifice their bh to lynch the seer on d2.
The only thing is they could waste a shift to get the seer lynched. But I dont think so. If wolves got seer sniffed n1 they just have to kill him silent on n2.
-_- I am not sure if I understood all of that but, fix me if I am wrong
There are 4 claims right now with 2 seer claims and 2 stalker claims?
The first stalker visited someone who was role blocked who is also a stalker?
Singha visited Beck who is also a stalker. While Peroni found wolf Guiness who is also seer. These are the only claims today right?
I think Rob seer and Drunks are both a possibility in the setup. I think 17 to 5 is a huge advantage to seer I don't see how game can be balanced otherwise.
I refuse to accept the possibility of Drunks. Just no.
drunks are not a possibility because drunks are neutral and the setup message says its wolves vs village
I see my bad.
that was quite the read
Miller! I feel your feels for me :D
And just to make you happy, and to justify my actions...
Mahou votes to lynch Guiness
I do believe Peroni over Guinness
I just did not want to get involved to avoid being connected and wrongly accused later in the game
But as far as my suspicions for today, Guinness is a must go
Also, I agree with you about Tuborg vibes, but I did not want to say it
he is just playing it too hard core
not many villagers tend to do that
Bintang votes to lynch Peroni
but oh well, only time will show
balance should include the CC pool
Also, Bintang is A wolf too
I mean, jumping back and fourth with your vote, just to create a balance at all cost when the seer who checked you as a village is being put up to a sword is just a plain giveaway
we're all wolves vs 5 villagers
so for me, we found 2 wolves allready
if I am not wrong, I think I have 4
and now things are really nicely prepared for a snipe
I think Mahou is a wolf
haha! Yeah right
I also think wolf is a Mahou
why is wanting the two 'seers' in the balance sus?
explain that to me?
So, if anyone is still around and is seeing this, I suggest you guys take measure here
nope, not wanting two seers in a balance, but wanting YOUR seer balanced and not in danger
wanting both b/c i don't trust any of you fuckers
N As I said, snipe is very unlikely. It is a great waste for Wolves for how we stand.
I am too lazy to copy paste the chat and parts that were a dead giveaway on your part, anyone who wants to actually play the game can read up for themselves
enjoy the top of my sus list Mahou
Besides, a three-way balance.. what else can we do?
uhm... lynch Guinness? duh...
honestly with no puppets/zombies a 3 way is useless
the 'moar balance' was me just shitposting an asv
anyways, Harbin, where's your vote standing?
oh, you no want to play anymore since logic and reason came to visit?
bb closer to nightfall to watch for shenanigans
Well I counted 3-4 villagers agreeing to keep Guiness. I thought it was open to debate. Not open to call out anyone who disagrees.
I dont like the sound of either Perino or the looks of Guiness. I feel hesitant to judge yet. Thats why I voted to keep them and test them in the incoming days. While stalkers made sure they dont bail.
Another note, I dont like that we are all jumping at each other. We are all probably lit anyways. And wolves do what they are best at, lurk and laugh.
you do understand that without announcing which stalker will stalk which seer, they might end up stalking the same person, that leaves the other one unchecked. also, DW needs to block only one of the stalkers (if both are lit which I don't think is the case) so they have a 50-50 shot to get it right
and voila, a wolf "Seer" escapes
Someone jump at me so I don't feel left out.
ss can bail at any time :) if one of the seer is ss
I am voting for a lynch+digg option
I am sure we have at least one GD in a game this size
and NO, don't any of you dare try and say I am only baiting for a gd to come out tomorrow so that wolves can kill him
Expect the unexpected.
you are only baiting for a gd to come out tomorrow so that wolves can kill him
But the only true way to be sure is with a GD check
No math-wise, keeping the stalks hidden is better. If lets say Singha is chosen to stalk Guiness. And guiness is the wolf. Easy job for wolves, just block singha.No math-wise, keeping the stalks hidden is better. If lets say Singha is chosen to stalk Guiness. And guiness is the wolf. Easy job for wolves, just block singha.
yes, but if they leave stalkers to choose for themselves, they can both go for the same person and let the other one roam free
which allows that seer to escape if fake
Sorry my messages were coming late
If there is a Harlot in the game by any chance, THINK DEEPLY who you will visit
i switched to laptop
But Carling is on to something
Why not use the already exposed roles
Why expose our GD yet another special role
Our protectors already have their hands full
Carling was being sarcastic about what I said just before that
I'm on to something? Shit.
You are on to a six pack.
Ah, i see. i missed that
you do realize that out of those 4 claims, MOST LIKELY only 2 are lit
Okay lets put it to a vote?
all in favor of lynch&dig say aye
Also I took a glance at 277 set up. Yeah 6 seers in that set up. No way that happens here.
all in favor of balance&check say YAI
Mahou if you can get 2-3 others to agree, i will join your team
I have no idea what to choose between those two options. I don't think it's fair for us to decide their faith like that
you have Miller on ur side already i believe
seriously guys... this is a classic seer vs seer battle
with one of them being fake
use your brain and you will know which one
Singha, are you using Perino's baby powder now too?
or he has me on his side
he is apparently
I don't understand you Harbin.
Perino's baby powder?
Peroni was being all gullible and goody-two shoes
and does not want to kill anyone
and is almost sorry that he found a wolf
No I am not like him.
he was all: uhm, should i come out?
I want to lynch I just don't know who.
Look, seer 1 comes out with a wolf check (which is a big thing).... then, the person he accused fights back saying he is a seer 2... and claims that totally irrelevant person is a villager
and then he was like: so guinees is wolf
so maybe lycan or bl
He doesn't seem wolfy and if he is give him damn credit
then he goes: so what should we do
Now you say you feel bad deciding their fate
Im feeling bad
so now we have X seer claiming Y is wolf.... Y claiming seer and saying Z is village, and Z is showing up later and trying to balance things to keep Y seer alive
I say we never lynch anyone we could lynch someone innocent. So lets not lynch anyone :D
thats why im making sure there is a consensus
My vote is on Peroni anyway
Guys, I have the solution.
Just lynch Tuborg.
Get us all drunk so we all snipe in different directions?
What the? why tuborg?
There's probably a reason, though.
We just don't know it yet.
You make no sense :D
I good vibes from Tuborg
That is so random
Like me saying let us lynch you
there is a reason we just don't know it yet
Also Mahou you keep repeating that Banting is a sucky choice
For I am sus.
but i usually hate to follow stupid protocol and choose someone out of the way
it made sense to me
So Carling, maybe something did happen at your party afterall
Beck's had a point there ^ ^ ^ ^
Wait Mahou you are changing ships now?
IF we do not lynch we will never get anywhere and will be just sitting ducks... I mean beers
we gotta lynch
Becks said no lynch i believe
Why do I feel like you lot are just baiting a seer to check you so you are going to be cleared or something.
He was being sarcastic
Harbin you cant read
WHY IS SARCASM LOST ON ME
Ok so Harbin lost his sarcasm skill
We hope to retrive that
I only argued for a lynch in the last 3h
And I am not changing ships, that single line of Beck's that I agree with, won't change the fact that I still sus him
Do you guys believe the goody goody play peroni is playing?
For now? I do
I mean, I believe him over Guinness
I wish we could ask the GD without exposing him to the wolves
oh, he will get exposed if we proceed with the lynch plan, but then we can create a protection circle with stalker+protector+huntsman+harlot
(given that they all exist)
They dont have to come out right?
we just tell them what to do
(given they exist ofc)
and if stalker/harlot catches a wolf red handed, then they can say it
oh for tonight, as we said, HM on seers, and prot on stalkers
I still believe it will be only one seer
then HM on that one seer
Prot takes pick with stalkers
GD could leave hints of his GD-ness around
He will pick beck and I die so yeah just my luck :D
and a ML or something recruits
Then at least gd can dig me up
and we will get his check without him getting exposed
but if ML picks up the hints, so will the wolves..
Skol votes to lynch Guiness
I agree with Mahou.
If ML is present and somehow figures who to recruit and nails on the GD, that is great
Ml if already recruited someone can in the night chat decide who to recruit and I suggest one of the stalker claims.
IT is the best way to prove someones litnes
I have to go now, I need to get up early tomorrow
whatever happens, I hope to get some intel for tomorrow
Do we lynch or nah?
Don't be a silly billy.
You can interpret that statement in any direction.
I say lynch Guinnes, but my vote is already cast and I am leaving so whatever happens I have no say in it anymore
I think some said that a Rob seer in this setup is unlikely. Only lynch will help double seer situation. I feel more bad vibes around Guiness so I want him gone. At worst we discover that this setup is actually a Rob seer setup.
Nah, i don't think we have any Rob seers
its classic seer vs wolf-seer
If we don't then let's lynch Guiness. Although I have the same doubts on Peroni as he only ever say one liners. Wolves like one liners...
As for Beck and Singha situation we can see where tomorrow leads us.
So Beck and Singha do their thing right?
we canceled all our plans
Mythos votes to lynch Guiness
they are not assigned anyone?
Read back, i am on lynching Guiness side.
Well I am not going to speak for them because I am not confident enough to lead right now.
Its cool. we already adjourned
5 is best. no chance of snipe now
Strength. Confidence. Unity. Bond. Fearless.
last minute changes?
more followers of the 'he who claims first' fallacy
Bintang you confirm Guiness?
What an odd conclusion to jump to.
Carling you are talking to me or him?
Carling and I aren't budies
I'm talking to everyone. But you in particular, Singha.
Carling I am just having a conversation. But yeah conversation changes notthing rn
Singha, I am just having a massive dump, but that doesn't mean Budweiser confirms Sol.
The toilet may actually be blocked.
Hahaha good one. Ok i wont talk anymore.
Will let you guys have smart discussion
Hahaha good one
The first star of the night can be seen...
Ok so you all know: I have been vanilla in the past 5 games I played so I was going to go rogue when I got assigned vanilla again. I said that Guiness was a wolf just to have some fun. Turns out I probably actually called out the seer which is hilarious so it’s probably not good that he’s about to get lynched because that could be quite bad for the village. Also to throw some shade: Anyone who immediately sided with me is probably trying to cause havoc because they know that neither of us are wolves. I assume I die tonight because I’m part of the village that caused absolute mayhem for no real reason, but I think it actually revealed quite a lot that can be useful to the village later.