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Opie Thu 11:02

tock
Stewie Thu 12:20

oh gosh guys things are getting hot
Lois Thu 12:21

I check on Opie last night and he is somewhat trustful
Opie Thu 12:23

Somehwat?
Stewie Thu 12:23

hmmm, should we start talking about lynching someone?
Rupert Thu 12:33

Lois, could you clarify what you mean by 'somewhat trustful'?
Stewie Thu 12:37

that would be helpful
Rupert Thu 13:12

It'd also be good to hear from the others who claimed roles yesterday before we decide on any potential lynch targets
Opie Thu 13:16

How was I checked Loise?
Rupert Thu 13:38

Re-reading yesterday and based on what she's said today, I think she is saying that Opie didn't act during the night, or that you did act, but not on Horace. My guess is the former, and the 'somewhat trustful' comment is because if you are a wolf you could have avoided acting on purpose since you suspected being checked, or with the latter you'd be a Protector or Bloodhound
Thu 13:39

If you had checked one of the dead I think she would have to completely trust you, since you would have to be the Graverobber or a Gravedigger and therefore not a wolf
Opie Thu 13:44

I'm nothing :)
Rupert Thu 13:46

So if Lois saw nothing from you last night, you're either a Villager or a Wolf that didn't act last night to avoid suspicion, since Ollie put a lot on you, which would mean you would be likely to be checked (and indeed were, if Lois is telling the truth)
Thu 13:46

I'm not accusing you, by the way, just trying to figure out the possibilities at this time
Opie Thu 13:46

I still find Ollie's supricion pointless and dumb but I totally get your point :)
Thu 13:46

*suspicion
Thu 13:49

So I guess Loise is claiming one of the stalkers right?
Rupert Thu 13:50

She said "I check on Stewie last night and he didn't do anything" yesterday, but didn't explicitly come out with it
Opie Thu 13:50

So who's the other Stalker, plz stand up
Rupert Thu 13:51

My problem with the Stalker and Gravedigger claims in this particular game is they are the easiest to claim, since until two people claim it the other ones think 'that must be the second' and by the time they come out the village tends to doubt the last to claim
Thu 13:52

The only way we know if someone is lying is if they contradict someone else, but that relies on them checking the same people
Opie Thu 13:53

THat's why I want the second stalker to plz stand up
Thu 13:54

And I want to hear from grandmaster ollie about his digging. $
Rupert Thu 13:54

We have to be careful about the Shapeshifter though, if we reveal too many people they could easily shift into someone trusted
Thu 13:54

Assuming Horace wasn't the Shapeshifter, that is
Thu 13:58

I'm a little concerned how quiet Ollie and Death are compared to yesterday, but it could just be that they are busy like I was yesterday, so I don't want to jump to any conclusions yet
Opie Thu 14:00

I share your concerns
Thu 14:00

I mean I battled with Ollie yesterday but I think he had the right intentions
Rupert Thu 14:03

I'm not so sure about Ollie at the moment, but I'll wait until he tells us what he saw before I make any judgements
Thu 14:05

We need to hear what Death saw last night too
Thu 14:05

Since he claimed Harlot
Thu 14:07

Gotta go back to work, I'll check in later tonight, hopefully we'll have more information then
Ollie Thu 14:28

Yo! I'm busy today and tomorrow, but I did check Bruce. I wasn't sure if I should say what I saw straight away
Thu 14:30

And yes to Stewie, we should start talking about lynching
Thu 14:31

I'm not gonna be able to participate in discussions today, but I can give some info at least
Thu 14:33

You guys want it now?
Thu 14:40

Right now it seems like Death is the most informed villager because he may have seen protector on Night 1. I hope Death will be available when we start lynching.
Thu 14:41

I have 8 suspects, Death has 7. Still too many for a feel-good lynch
Opie Thu 14:42

I think Ollie kinda read my intentions and didn't reveal what he wanted to. Good play I think.
Ollie Thu 14:49

OK, I'll just say it. Bruce was stalker.
Thu 14:49

Other GD knows I'm legit now
Opie Thu 14:49

:( I was so happy for a moment:)
Ollie Thu 14:51

Death, come in! Come in, Death!
Thu 14:51

We need this final piece of info
Death Thu 14:56

Rupert what a coincidence, I saw you
Thu 14:57

If 2 stalkers = Lois and Bruce, that only leaves BH
Thu 14:58

As target is still alive
Moderator Thu 15:01

Death votes to lynch Rupert
Ollie Thu 15:05

Or protector
Death Thu 15:07

Who else self visits? Surely the one I saw first night is protector?
Lois Thu 15:10

or maybe you have seen the shapeshifter the first night???
Death Thu 15:10

? They come up as visiting themself?
Thu 15:10

Wait. Who would SS night 1...
Moderator Thu 15:11

Ollie votes to lynch Rupert
Opie Thu 15:22

I'm confused, what exactly happened?
Thu 15:22

who visited who?
Lois Thu 15:23

first night, i check Stewie and he didn't visit anyone
Thu 15:23

last night, I check you and you didn't visit anyone
Opie Thu 15:23

I meant Death
Thu 15:23

I got your part :)
Death Thu 15:24

Rupert has a chance to proove if he is Stalker so I want to wait for him
Opie Thu 15:24

he can't ;)
Death Thu 15:24

Lois or Ollie could still be lying
Thu 15:24

This is a thing he can prove if the person appears today too
Opie Thu 15:24

I think Ollie came out way too early
Thu 15:25

to be wolf
Moderator Thu 15:25

Opie votes to lynch Rupert
Opie Thu 15:26

So far I see nothing to distrust Ollie in his reads
Thu 15:26

eh checks
Thu 15:26

I question his reads, but I believe his checks
Lois Thu 15:28

Susie, Glenn, Cleveland and Tricia haven't talk a word since beginning
Thu 15:29

I think 3 of them got a boring Villager role and 1 is the Alphawolf
Death Thu 15:29

Probably. And 3rd wolf?
Opie Thu 15:30

wrong I'm 1 boring villager, so only 2 left
Death Thu 15:32

Forgot there's a GR! I recommend those acting asap since it takes a whoooole day to get the role and use. Stalker or yolo take the new corpse?
Opie Thu 15:33

don't take the new corpse
Thu 15:33

it will be a wolf
Thu 15:33

and then you become a wolf
Thu 15:33

not good
Thu 15:33

mkey?
Death Thu 15:34

Ohh no I meant Horace!,
Tricia Thu 16:48

yooooooooooo
Death Thu 16:49

yo yo
Thu 16:53

Was that all?
MrWeed Thu 18:00

Hm, Ollie's checks are believable to me. However, I would recommend the GR take the stalker role due to its usefulness
Opie Thu 18:01

no
Thu 18:01

Stalker is a bad role
Thu 18:01

due to the way wolves visit, it's super hard to catch someone
Death Thu 18:15

Go for Horace perhaps?
Thu 18:17

If it's Horace himself, that will make him laugh :P
MrWeed Thu 18:19

Really? I'm still a bit unsure how the role works. From what I saw, it seems useful in discovering the seer and/other harlots
Moderator Thu 18:44

Rupert votes to lynch Death
Rupert Thu 18:44

OK, wasn't expecting to come back to false accusations of being a wolf
Thu 18:45

I'm not anything other than a villager, so there's no way Death could have seen me visiting someone last night
Thu 18:46

Not sure why he would single me out though, unless the wolves thought I might have a role or I got a little too close to the truth with something I said earlier today
Thu 18:47

Or it could be a tactic to get a villager to either be lynched or reveal a role, ready for the Shapeshifter
Thu 18:48

I mean, why check me when I hadn't done anything yesterday? You had a bunch of roles that had been revealed, a Harlot would look at those to protect them from being killed by the wolves, but you claim to have foregone helping the village out and checking a random player? Ignoring the fact that I know my role, that makes no sense to me
Thu 18:48

It's also concerning that Ollie and Opie have immediately jumped on the bandwagon
Thu 18:48

Rather than talking it through
Thu 18:51

And yeah, MrWeed, you see who your target visits, but you have to pick the right person to see anything
Thu 18:53

I'm thinking Ollie might have quickly voted since he is going to be away from the game for a bit and it was based on information at the time. Opie seems to be bandwagoning, especially when Death mentioned that I could still claim to be a Stalker and Opie immediately replied with "he can't"
Thu 18:54

Death, who are you claiming I visited last night? You haven't even bothered to come up with that
Moderator Thu 19:09

Susie votes to lynch Rupert
Susie Thu 19:10

Death is legitimate.
Rupert Thu 19:11

And how would you know that?
Susie Thu 19:14

He saw me protect myself the first night.
Rupert Thu 19:15

For fuck's sake, he didn't tell us who he 'checked' night 1, he just said he checked the Protector. Now you've told the wolves you're the Protector, which is probably what he wanted
Susie Thu 19:16

Hmm... are you a frustrated villager, or a wolf trying desperately to save himself by pinning everything on the person who caught him?
Rupert Thu 19:17

Surely if I were a wolf I would have tried to claim Stalker or the real Harlot? Villager is a weak defense, and is probably going to get me killed, sadly
Thu 19:19

He waited until I had left, accused me and then run off before I could counter anything he's said. Ollie has buggered off and Opie has just gone with the votes and gone silent, despite talking a lot to me earlier and yesterday. Now you've revealed your role, which I'm assuming he didn't know since he never said who the Protector was
Susie Thu 19:22

Claiming village is smart, actually. Counterclaims are usually not trusted because wolves usually counterclaim when they're accused. You, however, claimed village, knowing not to use regular wolf patterns because it would reveal your true colours. Plus, if you'd claimed Stalker or Harlot, people would want some way for you to prove yourself, and you'd be caught in the lie almost immediately.
Thu 19:22

He never said who the Protector was because he probably didn't want to reveal my identity to the wolves.
Rupert Thu 19:23

See, this is my problem, those are all good points that are hard to counter when I am just a villager, which is why I'm probably going to die tonight.
Thu 19:24

Also, it would be pretty easy to fake Harlot, you just tell people you visited the wolves and people others have claimed are just villagers, since they will never call you out on who you saw
Susie Thu 19:25

But if a Stalker decided to follow a fake Harlot and saw either nothing or them visiting a victim, your cover would be blown immediately.
Rupert Thu 19:25

Think about it though, if I were a Bloodhound, surely I would just not visit any victims?
Death Thu 19:27

Okay basically confirmed yourself the bloodhound. You could have claimed stalker, knowing who you visited and guessed who she healed from the current outted roles, possibly gotten it right and caused mass chaos amongst Ollie and Lois :D but...you didn't. Well that makes it easy for us!
Thu 19:28

And I chose to visit Susie again since I might have ended up choosing a wolf which woulda been useless, and had I chosen Ollie I may only have seen Susie there, also pointless
Rupert Thu 19:28

Oh, look who's back. I can't guess anything because I'm not a wolf, I'm just a villager. Like you've just pointed out, a wolf would claim a role
Death Thu 19:29

It wasn't just anyone. You guys heard that I found protector and probably checked day 1 chat to work out who I may have chosen
Rupert Thu 19:29

Wait, you're saying you visited Susie twice? That's madness, it makes no sense, plus you've only told us who you visited AFTER Susie came out as Protector
Thu 19:30

Surely as the Harlot you would want to verify one of the claimed roles that came out that day? It makes NO sense to check on someone twice in a row who wasn't even involved in the discussions yesterday
Death Thu 19:30

I do wish I could have said who it was first for legitimacy, I DID say yesterday 'if the person says they agree to all roles outting I'll say it' like a secret code yknow, cause any village side can say that line but only I will know if she says it what i meant
Thu 19:30

Infact she coulda stayed secret today too since you would die before getting to tell the others
Thu 19:31

I was gonna hint at it being a different person i visited night 1 to throw you off booo
Thu 19:32

Yeah I've already told you my reason to re-visit. To me she's a guaranteed villager, while choosing at random may have had me pointlessly watch a wolf
Thu 19:33

I really like harlot role :D contary to it's 'default' use of finding wolves I enjoy finding village roles instead , narrows down the suspect list for sure
Rupert Thu 19:33

Your reason makes ZERO sense, you had a bunch of claims that needed verifying to help the village know who to trust, and instead you visited a silent person twice in a row? It's madness
Death Thu 19:34

Verifying? What would it have done to visit them then?
Rupert Thu 19:34

Surely knowing that "X claimed this, but they actually visited the victim" would be much more useful to the village?
Death Thu 19:34

She's the only protective. Hella important!
Rupert Thu 19:34

But the wolves wouldn't know that Susie is the Protector, why would they go for her?
Death Thu 19:35

The odds of selecting the victim were pretty low. For all I knew yesterday, you would kill her
Susie Thu 19:35

Because I talked day one, perhaps? But then again, the wolves seem to be abandoning the regular wolf patterns, so...
Death Thu 19:35

Might have checked day 1 to look for someone harlot may have chosen based on it
Rupert Thu 19:35

But if I were a wolf, how would I know she was the Protector and to kill her? Surely I'd go for one of the claimed roles
Death Thu 19:36

Which is exactly what I did do, and then you too
Thu 19:36

Night 2 is when she can protect someone else
Susie Thu 19:36

You wouldn't go for a claimed role; you'd assume the roles would have a higher chance of being protected.
Death Thu 19:36

You would avoid outted roles this night
Rupert Thu 19:36

But you're claiming I'm a Bloodhound, which can't kill, so your theory is wrong
Death Thu 19:37

I speak of your entire team
Rupert Thu 19:38

So if I were a Bloodhound, why would I visit Susie? Surely I'd visit someone who claimed, to verify they are what they say they are, to prep the Shapeshifter or to kill them off?
Thu 19:38

The village had no information about Susie whatsoever, yet you seem to think everyone should have known she was the Protector (which I think you didn't know until she announced it)
Death Thu 19:39

Wut?? If you're a wolf you know when claims are real
Thu 19:39

...well, mostly
Rupert Thu 19:40

You don't though, people could be claiming roles to draw attention away from the real ones
Death Thu 19:40

No, do you think I really expected to see anyone? On the off chance you kill a random I chose who I personally knew to be village
Thu 19:40

My luck is bad so knowing me I'd end up watching wolves otherwise
Rupert Thu 19:41

That still makes no sense for a Harlot, I don't understand why you wouldn't watch one of the claimants to verify who they are, as a villager you need to be able to trust people, that's the best way for a Harlot to do so
Death Thu 19:41

And I think it went like ''She found protector, I checked day 1 chat to see who stood out most for a harlot watch and Susie joked about being seer''
Rupert Thu 19:41

But watching the wolves is the point! You're supposed to see that a wolf visited the victim, surely you want to actually catch the wolves?
Death Thu 19:42

You're mixing up Stalker and Harlot I think..?
Thu 19:42

Harlot is like a protector
Thu 19:42

If I watch a wolf by accident, of course nobody gonna be visiting, except maybe a stalker
Rupert Thu 19:43

Sorry, that meant to say 'nobody visits them'. My point was the Stalker will be watching them, or a Protector, especially after just claiming a role
Thu 19:43

And that would be useful information to the Harlot
Death Thu 19:44

I got some useful information of my own. I'm hype!
Rupert Thu 19:44

No, you made up some information, then are trying to come up with a reason why you would do what you claimed, that's not the same thing
Thu 19:45

Like I said, I realise I'm probably going to die tonight, since most of the village haven't bothered to show up to get involved in the discussion, they either don't care or voted and buggered off
Death Thu 19:47

Well, I wish I could have said protector's name first for everyone's sake. Ollie(?)said it wasn't necessary, although I found that odd. No harlot counterclaim should be ok for everyone right? I claimed while Horace still lived. I agree it's quiet here though.
Rupert Thu 19:48

But you couldn't because you didn't know who the Protector was. Just because you claim first doesn't mean you're the real deal, plus we've had a few silent players who might still claim to be Harlot later.
Death Thu 19:50

That would have been a rather risky game for me to play, I wanted the signal to say it
Rupert Thu 19:50

Or maybe the Bloodhound (you, I think, it makes more sense so you can cover your visits for Stalkers) found Horace was the Harlot night 1 and you killed him last night to counter-claim it
Thu 19:50

(*to avoid a counter-claim)
Death Thu 19:51

Ollie plus one would find out and catch me~
Rupert Thu 19:51

And now you've gotten a villager lynched and the Protector has been outed, you shift into someone who the village believes was a valid claim
Thu 19:51

If you aren't the Bloodhound, that is
Death Thu 19:51

I didn't want her outted! I actually wondered if you'd tell the others before you were lynched
Thu 19:52

I shift? So I'm dead tonight after all
Rupert Thu 19:54

I see this plan going two ways, either you are the Bloodhound and knew the Harlot was dead and the plan is for a wolf to try frame the Gravediggers (probably do an Alphawolf kill tonight to maximise the chances of them not checking the same person), or you're a Shapeshifter and lucked out on the Harlot claim so far, but figured it's too risky to keep claiming it
Thu 19:57

You haven't been able to adequately explain why I would do any of the actions you are accusing me of, your 'checks' make no sense and have no evidence to back them up, since you never told us who the Protector was, you've successfully diverted the village away from whatever I said earlier today that was too close to the truth
Thu 19:57

And because nobody's bothered to show up other than Susie, it's worked
Thu 19:58

Picking on a normal villager was smart, since they have little to defend themselves with
Thu 19:59

There's probably at least one other wolf in the ones who have voted for me, probably between Ollie and Opie, I suspect
Thu 19:59

And like Lois said, maybe another wolf in the quiet but active players
Thu 20:01

I think Susie coming out was a mistake, but I don't think it makes her a wolf, it's just a bad move on her part
Thu 20:01

Unfortunately it means the village will have to keep an eye on her for the Shapeshifter from today onwards, along with Ollie and Lois
Thu 20:02

Assuming Ollie is indeed a Gravedigger
Thu 20:05

Gah, not been a normal villager for a while, it's frustrating when you can't just fall back onto 'nah, I'm the X' as a defense - especially when nobody is around to hear you and probably won't read back over today in the coming days
Death Thu 20:16

You saying I made no sense doesn't mean it made no sense. I've explained my logic behind it already so I'd merely be repeating myself
Rupert Thu 20:17

Just because you've tried to repeat it, doesn't mean it is good, sound logic, it's clearly a made up reason as to why you would have checked someone other than what everyone else playing as a Harlot would do
Thu 20:18

I don't know why we're both bothering though, you've successfully managed to get the village to trust you and lynch a normal villager
Thu 20:18

Unless someone else shows up we're both just wasting our words
Thu 20:18

Since we'll obviously never agree and we're just arguing with each other
Death Thu 20:26

I'm sorry for finding you
Rupert Thu 20:28

(*sorry for framing you)
Thu 20:28

I don't normally correct other people's typos, but it was a pretty big one, so...
Death Thu 21:11

I like your effort. I dislike the suddenly silent game :'(
Rupert Thu 21:13

I'll give you credit for your frame-job too, but yeah, it's really frustrating that nobody else is here... I'm more annoyed at that than you, I've used the same strategy you are in previous games, it's a good play
Tricia Thu 21:22

yo yo yooooo
Thu 21:22

susie had some good points but death's checks seem a bit off ???
Opie Thu 21:32

Tricia explain
Thu 21:33

Rupert... when you say Death knew Harlot was dead, so you say Horace was harlot?
Rupert Thu 21:37

It's one potential theory, yes, if the Bloodhound checked him night 1, so they killed him last night to prevent a counter-claim in future nights. It's one of a couple of possibilities I can think of though, I've outlined most of them above
Opie Thu 21:38

but didn't Death come out day 2?
Rupert Thu 21:39

Yeah, but it could have been so we were more likely to trust him, since he came out first, then got lucky that Horace didn't say anything
Thu 21:39

People tend to trust the ones who claimed first
Opie Thu 21:40

if Horace was Harlot and not Stalker how Ollie sad, where's the second stalker?
Cleveland Thu 21:43

Ollie said Bruce was stalker.
Rupert Thu 21:43

Ollie checked Bruce last night, Horace wasn't dead then
Opie Thu 21:45

how you get Susie's points into the story?
Rupert Thu 21:45

Which points, specifically? And it's not a 'story', it's one potential theory, which you seem to have latched onto for some reason
Opie Thu 21:46

Death knowing about susie
Rupert Thu 21:46

Death DIDN'T know about Susie, he claimed he did AFTER Susie came out as Protector
Thu 21:47

All he said yesterday was he saw the Protector, he NEVER said who it was - it's a pretty safe bet that the Protector will protect themselves night 1
Cleveland Thu 21:47

I am unsure about Death. Very easy to claim _a_ protector self-healed. Then Susie comes out with "Death is right, I'm protector." Death follows with "See you guys!"
Thu 21:47

It is the only sensible move on night 1.
Rupert Thu 21:48

Exactly my point, but he glossed over that when I argued it with him
Cleveland Thu 21:48

Hoping for some kind of "code" between Death and the protector is a lousy strategy. You could say practically anything.
Opie Thu 21:48

yeah but Death still made his claim day 2. Including the protector play. And I agree it's a solid play
Thu 21:49

So he makes two gambles day 2
Cleveland Thu 21:49

I can't call Death a liar but it's a common move. And _if_ you believe they made it two days in a row as a harlot.
Thu 21:49

Could be dressing to hide BH checks on others, for example.
Rupert Thu 21:50

Claiming he saw a Protector isn't a gamble though, plus if the real Harlot had come out he would just say they were lying - if the real Harlot claimed to have also seen the Protector, he would accuse them of lying
Opie Thu 21:54

look what doesn't make sense to me is that he went for harlot
Thu 21:55

go for stalker and hope the second one thinks he stays quiet
Thu 21:55

but there is only 1 harlot
Thu 21:55

he instantly went for it
Rupert Thu 21:55

No, he went for it day 2, after the Bloodhound could have seen the Harlot
Opie Thu 21:55

if he was the bh
Thu 21:55

mhm
Rupert Thu 21:56

And either signalled that to the other wolves during the day, via some code, or if he was the Bloodhound himself
Thu 21:56

Usually signalling is done by having some code, such as 'if I say "oh" as my first word, they were a Seer' and so on
Thu 21:56

Since we don't know who the other wolves are, it would be difficult to tell whether there is a code and who it could be
Cleveland Thu 21:57

More plausible that they decided to check same target and Death is BH. Lets him know the harlot is out and can visit others without arousing suspicion every other night.
Rupert Thu 21:58

I think I agree, since if this didn't fly then he can't shift away if he's the Bloodhound, but maybe they were sure it would work...
Cleveland Thu 21:58

If Death is a wolf, then so is Ollie. He claimed to check Bruce as GD, saying he is stalker, if memory serves
Opie Thu 21:58

so you think the first victim was harlot?
Rupert Thu 21:58

No, another villager
Opie Thu 21:58

but cleaveland says otherwise
Cleveland Thu 21:58

No I don't.
Rupert Thu 21:59

Oh, didn't see that message. If Ollie is a GD then I guess it's possible, but that would mean another GD could clash with that check
Cleveland Thu 21:59

I'm giving possible explanations.
Rupert Thu 21:59

I can see I'm going to die tonight, but please, keep what I've said in mind, you can't trust Death, he's a wolf
Opie Thu 21:59

Cleaveland you just said Ollie has to be wrong for death to be a wolf
Rupert Thu 21:59

I'm just glad people showed up to actually read my points
Cleveland Thu 21:59

I'm giving it as an explanation. I am not committing to one story.
Lynched Thu 22:01

Rupert was lynched by the village
Killed Fri 10:00

Cleveland was killed during the night

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