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no one died?
going to cast anti-smite spell on myself
Rubick votes to lynch Clinkz
morning! wow No victim!
Tiny you didnt get your name for your nose being tiny. your nose is huge!
so that means prot was spot on?
or that ww forgot to kill somebody
What a great night then
Should we say thanks to Prot? Or the Wolves forgot to hunt?
Tiny votes to lynch Lich
No dead? :D
I think it's a protect, or wolves just derped\
But I assume protect
No one died last night
You're not happy sir Lich?
Iwas being villagery af last night
Maybe prot protected me ;-;
If so, why should that be a bad thing?
Well just suicidal anyway, im not that important
Well at least no one died. So I see it as a good thing
Prot should come out to say who he protected last night
That way wolves would know who to kill
... Protector cant protect the same guy again
If wolvws hit the protected guy last night, he would be dead anyway
Yes. but I don;t see why protector should come out for that reason?
Wolves already knew that, if thay did vote someone
To clear somebody?
But you just said he would be dead anyways..
Well I'll hear what other people hjave to say about this
At least we will know that person is innocent, maybe both prot and that person
I get that, but I thing the protector coming out would be worse for village than a confirmed villager
Wolves cant kill themselves yknow
He can protect himself?
Yes. but not the night aft er that
How will the wolves know he protected himself or not ;)
Well I think we have different opinions on the matter, I'll have what other have to say
hmmm.. I don't know. Protector should just wait a bit. still too early to reveal with this many people. BTW, good job on the protect!
Morning! Awesome! Yeah dunno if Protector should come out if it's for someone else, esp if it really was Lich? :P
gotta sleep. I hope I can wake up in time before nightfall
＞Sven hahaha i agree with ya
＞to everyone who do you think werewolf is？
I know there are very few factors, but it'll make discussion more active.
Just a example, Lich's expression in this mornin' is sad face with No one died. it seems not a villager-side feeling.
yes I know if protector cannot protect same person, werewolf can try to kill same person
☝︎like this. with not obvious proof is OK. we can see who has a connection with whom
Hmm I found Lichs reaction weird too, but maybe a bit too obvious?
Tinker votes to lynch Lich
Lich sad about no deaths and wants protector to reveal himself. That's enough for me to lynch him.
Plus, wimpy explanation (assuming that means he is going to die because he was villagery af yesterday.)
Protector, do not reveal yourself, it doesn't make any sense to do so.
Wow, doesnt make sense?
Can give me a reason to explain last night's no death, other than the prot protected the right guy?
And please dont give me the wolves were inactive excuse, 11 voted, and the only one who didnt vote talked a lot
Protector reveal the prorection is the best move im telling ya, thats why im pushing for the protector
Isnt it obvious that i was sad because i thought i was a target, some just exploired the idea im being wolf and frame me
I understand that if the protector protected himself, it would make sense to reveal.
He knows he is going to die tonight anyways, he may as well tell the village his role.
As it stands, the protector did his job, admirably and slowed the wolves down.
If he reveals himself all he does is expose himself to being killed by the wolves.
I agree with you that the protector protected the target the wolves attacked, that doesn't by any means mean the protector should come forward.
It wasn't obvious why you were sad. That's why people immediately asked you. Every VILLAGER was happy about the lack of deaths.
I guess i'm not your typical villager who should be happy about the night without death
Tusk votes to lynch Tinker
You really try to lynch him for that?
Meepo votes to lynch Clinkz
so imma balance
sorry for not being on y'all had an exam and now i have lunch plans
I find it ok to ask why he used this smile
but it's weird to push it that far.
Anyone defending Lich is suspicious.
Think about Lich's logic people.
That's your opinion
if you can't figure out why he is obviously a wolf, I'll explain it to you.
please do so, I'm new to this game.
Lich, thinks he was so villagery yesterday that he must have been the one attacked.
But nobody died.
Wow @Tinker i never thought you are suspicious, until now
Because the victim was protected.
Which Lich was sad about.
If im wolf i will never be that stupid to express my emotion like that
But if the victim weren't protected, the victim would be dead.
exploiting the emoticon just makes you more a wolf
So Lich expected to be attacked and would therefore be dead.
But is sad that nobody died because it means he will die tonight.
Then why would i want to prot to come out and say who did he protected???
So, somehow it is sadder for him to die tomorrow than to be dead this morning.
If im wolf i've already know who he protected
what's the point in asking
You're being stupid i must say
RIGHT, YOU WANT TO KNOW WHO THE PROTECTOR IS!!!!
Didnt i say the protector can protect himself?
Am i make myself not clear?
That is the only situation in which it makes sense for the protector to come out.
But usually protector self-protects n1 and n3, not n2.
I say if he protected someone else last night, he can come out because that person is dead anyway, at least we will know 2 more innocent men
He can protect himself if it makes him a target for the wolves
The point is, those wolves knew who they were trying to kill
So prot only make himself a burden for the village if he hides his protection
People can argue about whether or not it makes sense for the protector to come out when his protected target gets attacked. I personally feel strongly that the protector should remain anonymous, because if the wolves never know when he dies, they never know when they can safely attack the revealed seer or other revealed roles.
I admit, people can have difference of opinion on that matter.
Can you answer this question: why was there no death last night?
Yes, duh, protector saved someone.
Can the prot protect the same guy again?
fun fact, it's every other protect, not every other night :P
So if you miss a protect you still can't protect the same person next night :P
if that person is kept anonymous, what is the chance of that person is killed again tonight
And how would you judge somebody who you knows a person is village aligned (wolves can't kill each other at night), but you choose to let him die anyway
Because of some stupid logic only wolves can come with, and you follow
And some more questions:
What is the benefit for me if im a wolf and i push for the prot to come out?
I assume i know who i killed and that person didnt die, i would just keep myself quiet and kill that guy again
Get rid of the protector, that way you can kill revealed village roles the same night that they reveal.
Lich expected to be attacked today (because he was villagery af). Was sad to see no deaths because that meant he was protected and will be dying tomorrow. So, he was sad that he will be dying tomorrow rather than today.
That is his explanation.
It makes no sense, but Tusk is on board.
Lynch Lich, then Tusk.
Make no sense
i have to laugh a bit
Agreed, but that's what you've said.
You're so eager on lynching, not even sure if the person you lynch is a wolf or a villager, and no way to know because there's no GD
Only benefits the wolves i must say
If I were random lynching, I would be more likely to hit village than wolf. This isn't random though, this is based on behavior.
Guess what: behavior suggests that you are a wolf who is trying to frame me for giving out a different emoticon
I never say it is random, you made that up by yourself
You keep emphasizing the emoticon, I keep emphasizing your explanation and you wanting the protector to reveal himself.
Okay so let me repeat what i said, i hope you can handle it without trying to find a weak spot and exploit it i have never use logic in my life
And please don't interrupt until i say im done
Last night there was no death, two scenarios that could have happened: (1) wolves did not kill anyone, (2) protector protect the right guy
(1) is plain stupid for the wovles, unless they want to bait out the prot, which is also stupid because prot less important than the seer, wasting time finding the prot will keep the seer alive
unless they were inactive, which is impossible because 11 voted and only tinker did not vote, who talked a lot which means he was fairly active
so we move to (2): prot protected the right guy
Only wolves and the real protector know who was the target last night, and the rest of the village have no idea
Wolves will tend to keep the info a secret, since they know that person will not be protected, alpha can take care of that guy and can even take out some role that was found by the BH in the same day
will not be protected tonight*
if protector comes out and said that he protected someone else other than him, he can choose to protect himself tonight if it makes him a target for the wolves, and that someone else will most likely is dead tonight.
The point is he doesnt have to say who he will protect tonight, it will keep the wolves guessing (will he protect himself, will he protect someone else who is important?)
And the benefit for the village is that seer (if alive) will only have to choose from a smaller pool, if that was protected guy wasnt checked by the seer before
And the prot can clear himself (if he really is legit)
so that is like, 2 less checks
Tarot reader can see if the seer and the prot is alive or not by reading card, but it's not the optimal solution to use it tonight. Im not stopping you from doing anything anyway, choose your own action, do it if you want to.
If the TR is still alive which is very likely then it may not be such a bad idea
If the protector protected himself last night, he can choose to come out too, like i said before, less seer check, tarot reader can read if prot is legit or not. But he will more likely to be dead tonight.
And for me giving out a weird emoticon earlier today: I felt like i should be killed yesterday for suggesting good stuff (mason leader recruitmentacts like a clear by the Seer, and i know he is not dead: only 1 death night 1)
So no one died scared me a bit, as i assume i was being chose a target of last night
fk, my grammar is shit
as i assume i was chosen a target by wolves last night*
Done, i guess
I'll be happy to answer anything that is unclear or might go in a worse direction than what i'm suggesting
y'all wildin wtf
lich out here assuming that seer is still alive but prot is super likely to die tonight ?? smh
Well the seer can be dead, and GD can confirm it later in the game
Like i said, if prot did not protect himself yet, he can choose to do it tonight if he thinks he will be a target for wolves
and u assume mason leader isn't dead
only 1 person died, can that guy be the mason leader who can check the living, check the dead guy, read cards and protect someone at the same time?
No, only 1 died, so at least 4 village roles with power is alive
at most 4 village roles r alive
mason leader could've died n1
seer could've died n1
gd could've died n1
tr couldve died n1
prot could've died n1
so the normal villager can't die night 1, is that what you're saying?
at most 5 village roles alive
yes a normal villager could die n1
but assume the worst my dude
Okay i get it
Good evening. That is really a long chat
one more question i want to ask: why did you balance to vote on clinkz, not tinker? Does he seems village enough to you so that you don't vote him?
I read quarter way & as far as I see this emoticon ";-;. isnt that a trademark of a player more than a sad emoticon? Why is it an issue? anyway carry on while i catch up
Lol @rubick - "going to cast anti-smite spell on myself" Moderator Rubick votes to put Clinkz on trial.
i just went on whoever had a vote already
didn't matter who
LOL @tinker what kind of logic is that? Those on board with Lich is suspicious, if you find 5 or more people on board with Lich, you're gonna lynch everyone? Both of you has point btw but there isnt a need to push that far
@meepo that is hazardous
i was balancing
bc it was like 6 hours before night or smth
okay i didnt see that part
and lich qs on why you voted clink
This kind of setup with no harlot or stalker or GD is frustrating.
sorry GD is here
I re-read the roles again
I get Lich's argument
If Prot protected some1 last night, he could come out, 2 less villagers for seer to check and more time for him
it's his choice tho
this assumes seer didn't die night 1, in that case we are fucked anyway
regardless of Prot's decision, I suggest we keep an eyes on both Lich and Tinker for the days to come
anti smite for now
Slark votes to lynch Meepo
Linch have you played before? You asked about the protector being able to protect himself. But you explained the roles pretty well later on.
Lich sorry on my phone.
I acknowledge that there is an argument for protector revealing himself to marginally increase seer's odds of finding a wolf.
My belief is that it is more valuable for the protector to stay safely anonymous, so the wolves can't attack at night with impunity.
Lich did explain his justification for wanting the protector to reveal himself and I accept his explanation even though I don't agree with it.
I also don't care at all about any emoticons that people use. I won't try to interpret your emoticons for good or ill.
I still have issue with Lich's explanation for why he said Nooooo about their being no deaths last night.
He explained that he wasn't happy because he thought that maybe the prot protected him.
because he was "villager af" yesterday
That means that he assumed that if there had been a death it would have been his.
Why should he be upset about being protected? It doesn't make any sense.
Perhaps, I was too hasty to turn against Tusk.
I understand people are hesitant to lynch early in the game without enough information.
Also, it's not really fair to discourage people from engaging in discussion, by adding them to the lynch list for speaking their minds.
So, forgive me, Tusk.
Lich, also forgive me if you are really village.
But I don't believe that, so I will probably be hounding you until one of us or the other dies.
(Don't interpret me dying tonight as a sign that Lich is wolf, because that would be a really easy way to frame a villager if I am wrong about Lich.)
Hey damn today became way too busy. Lich looks wolfy with those massive paragraphs tbh
Although it's true prot coming out would reveal 2 good guys? !! Seems a bit dangerous
Is there any chance wolves refrained from killing and then pushed for the reveals today?
Idk what benefits would be of it but I believe I heard it suggested long ago
about Lich was just an example for me. I think Lich's expression is too Obvious as wolf.
So, you find his explanation satisfactory?
Are we going to lynch anyone today? Since we had a lucky night and it's something for GD to do..
for me the duel between Lich and Tinker seemed town vs town
Yeah idk about those although it'd give good info depending on who defended or pushed
I think if we consider lurks Lion spoke the least
apply some pressure?
Tusk votes to lynch Lion
Slardar votes to lynch Lion
I understand what Lich wants to tell about. ppl who had protected might be kill tomorrow. I haven't understood Lich wanted the protector to come out.
can we get a vote more on lion for pressure?
lets see if he wakes up
Sorry, I mean I don't understand why Lich wanted the protector to come out.
If protector was on a plain villager it'd be a massive waste and suspicious to push for it.. we don't have any HM or harlot as backup for the person anyway, they're doomed
Though it'd be beneficial if it's the seer as we at least get the first 2 checks.. but still gonna be doomed
Actually knowing our luck it will be the seer and at the end of game we will cry
we need to put pressure on ppl.
no town has won with doing nothing
plz someone vote lion
let's do something
Tinker votes to lynch Lion
person who piggyback on pushing Lich is not Lich's side. It will help the seer and GD.
Tiny votes to lynch Lion
There is good and bad about telling roles. Both made points that should be listened to
Any reason for lion? He only spoke once today
y'all bouta lynch lion bc he only said 3 lines ??
its day 3 w no info
let him live
Why are you so keen on letting him live?
This is just a way to push people to talk.
To avoid future inactives
is there any person say nothing today?
Good morning! Lion, reveal your role so we can determine if we would lynch you tonight or not.
I disagree with protector revealing now. He/she can be roleblocked then get killed.