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Moderator Wed 08:01

Werewolf Victory! ARRRRRRWOOOOOOOOOO!
Impactor Wed 08:01

AWOOOO
Skids Wed 08:01

Swindle was protector
Wed 08:01

Who'd have thought it
Kup Wed 08:01

SOOOOOO bad
Impactor Wed 08:01

I feel sorry for Soundwave, but it had to happen =)
Wed 08:02

What luck though, no wolf until D7
Skids Wed 08:02

So, wait
Wed 08:02

Who did Kup shift into??
Impactor Wed 08:02

We only hit vanilla's with BH as well, although we had an overview of all roles just in time
Kup Wed 08:02

NA
Wed 08:03

Haha
Impactor Wed 08:03

YEAH WHO DID KUP SHIFT INTO? ;D
Wed 08:03

We were paranoid about that last kill getting protected though
Kup Wed 08:05

I think the village forgot that there were 3 wolves alive
Impactor Wed 08:05

They at least considered the possibility
Wed 08:05

What should they have done differently then?
Wed 08:05

Apart from not lynching Seer but lynching me, of course?
Wed 08:06

What could they have done in their position of doubt?
Wed 08:06

Not lynching didn't seem an option either
Wed 08:07

FYI: I was Whirl. Not sure if it's obvious from the role list atm
Kup Wed 08:08

I was dead long enough to know x.x
Wed 08:08

Notice how the wolves have a common interest? not "go with the flow", oppose the majority opinion? Try to get a decision earlier?
Wed 08:12

@Omar when crazy in the GY
Impactor Wed 08:16

The Graveyard always seems to have more wisdom than the Village in these matters ;p
Wed 08:16

@Omar: we seem to have quite similar talking styles. When I made notes on you I was relieved that it would be less hard than otherwise ^^
Wed 08:16

So keep an eye on me whenever you are the SS ;)
Fulcrum Wed 08:16

;-; I'm sorry, DBrax!!!!!!
Kup Wed 08:20

Omar actually wrote something for you
Wed 08:21

For their narrative to be true needed so many assumptions: Kup was SS and BH found the Seer and they SS'd the unconfirmed/unrevealed Seer. Of course not impossible but I still think an unlikely move by SS. Sure it prevents Seer being revealed in grave but it doesn't mean your FakeSeer will be in any way immune to claims that they were SS'd. As we saw today with the real Seer. They also had to assume that Whirl was the other GD killed on the night he would have checked Kup, presumably to prevent him revealing, which means BH would had to have found him as well or wolves got lucky. You have to believe that Cyc as GR didn't just randomly rob the dead, as he himself suggested would be a good idea as early as D2/D3, but instead waited until N4 to randomly, with no info, rob the guy who died N1. He waited until N4 to do that? And no-one pulled him on it. Then you have to believe that Impactor's change of plan wasn't just convenient attempt to discredit Seer. And as Kup said you have to believe that Optimus was a lazy wolf. Tue 21:52 For SW to be legit, you just had to believe that Cyc and Impactor were wolves and disbelieve most/all of the above. Tue
Wed 08:21

21:53 I still think Swindle might have held the key in his Prot list and not even have known it.
Wed 08:21

Tue 21:54 Hindsight is 20/20 I suppose
Wed 08:21

Tue 21:55 Also SW sounded absolutely nothing like Kup
Wed 08:22

Of course so much hindsight ....
Skids Wed 08:27

I'm not sure the point about Kup not sounding like SW is valid
Wed 08:27

He could have just been doing a really good impression
Impactor Wed 08:27

But Ockam's razor definitely applies here, if you phrase it this way
Wed 08:27

There's a lot that should've happened for it to be true
Whirl Wed 08:28

I also said that its easy to talk that like that when your in the GY and have a lot of info but its hard when you're vanillager and have nothing.
Impactor Wed 08:28

Questions that could'should've been asked were about Swindle's prot list indeed, perhaps also about Cyc.
Wed 08:28

I didn't dare ask Cyc because we weren't so explicit that he should've only robbed after I outed Helex
Whirl Wed 08:29

@Skids: But the whole, 'i'm inexperienced, I don't know what else to say' thing seemed very un-Kuppish
Wed 08:29

Cyc claimed he robbed the morning I revealed Helex
Skids Wed 08:29

Whirl, yeah but if you're talking about an SS then it could all be faked
Whirl Wed 08:29

I thought that was a huge hole that coulda been punched through.
Skids Wed 08:30

Like when... Shabas I think? shifted me and claimed that he was going swimming x_x
Impactor Wed 08:30

Well, the story would be that Cyc as GR wanted to wait for a wolf to rob, but that (only) by D5 he thought that he'd better go for the role that's out there
Whirl Wed 08:31

Yes, but I would have expected Kup to put up a more belligerent fight near the end (as Kup is more experienced, no shade at you DBrax)
Impactor Wed 08:31

Haha
Wed 08:31

Yeah that was me, XII
Kup Wed 08:31

Sally? Is that you?
Skids Wed 08:31

Whirl, ah I see what you mean
Whirl Wed 08:31

@Impactor: He claimed he believed me because he had robbed Helex the night before I revealed.
Kup Wed 08:31

The issue is that everyone just compared whether the writing has changed, but not whether he sounds like someone else
Skids Wed 08:31

Like, even if he was playing at being SW he'd have acted differently
Whirl Wed 08:32

He would have to be more Kup-like near the end.
Wed 08:33

Like I said, it sucks being vanillager. Impactor's impression wasn't too bad at all but obviously I pointed out every little thing I thought was off.
Skids Wed 08:33

Yeah, I think that's a fair point
Kup Wed 08:34

I don't know how great it is to allow oneself to be lynched ...
Impactor Wed 08:34

@Kup: Yes it was Sally ;,,,; And yes, good point on the comparison. Impactor's style didnt' change very much perhaps (Omar would see all the differences better than others, of course), but they still should look at possible SSs.... See if it's like Whirl in this case
Wed 08:35

I disliked some people's low particiation levels
Wed 08:35

Especially FrostSpire as SS, come on!
Skids Wed 08:43

I thought we were done for when Swerve got lynched
Impactor Wed 08:49

Yeah, we were in a tight spot - we could all be checked, there weren't so many Seer checks needed to be made anymore.... With Prot and HM both alive it would also take too long for us to get to Seer :o
Cyclonus Wed 08:50

Phew. I don't want to be evil for a good month or two now x_x
Wed 08:51

*collapse*
Wed 08:53

My story wasn't rly random grabbing, I just couldn't tell it too detailed since that's wolfy. It was that BH might soon find and kill Seer and i didnt wanna be random like GD or prot so I waited ONE night to steal. n1 has no deaths remember? n2 is when I waited. n3 is when I tried for whatevervanillawaveguysnamewas. n4 was helex since i failed to get a role and there were no new night deaths. I wake up with the role at the same time impactor comes out, not after
Wed 08:54

I thought it was more natural to not be too detailed about my story but I hated it too
Skids Wed 08:55

Also, N3
Wed 08:55

Should we tell them?
Wed 08:55

8-)
Kup Wed 08:55

Still, doesn't explain why you waited n2 ...
Cyclonus Wed 08:55

bleh
Skids Wed 08:55

She didn't?
Wed 08:56

She "took" Windblade's role
Wed 08:56

Oh, wait I see
Wed 08:56

That's N3
Wed 08:56

Well, why steal straight away?
Kup Wed 08:56

Why not?
Skids Wed 08:56

N2 could have been a GD death and then it's less useful that you've stolen it
Cyclonus Wed 08:57

I didn't wanna end up GD or prot etc if the seer would end up dead before day4 , or something
Kup Wed 08:57

Stealing straight away means that you can have a role alive earlier
Cyclonus Wed 08:57

Why even bother debating it? xD what did real GR do, then?
Skids Wed 08:57

But waiting means you can possibly get a better role
Kup Wed 08:57

Well, if you argue that, you can't steal b4 the GD reveals
Cyclonus Wed 08:58

I personally am same as ctsk. I grab immediately. GR was my first role on this site and I took GD and had a lot of fun
Skids Wed 08:58

Like everything in this game, it's a risk-reward trade of
Wed 08:58

Off *
Cyclonus Wed 08:58

But I've known SO MANY GRs who wait
Skids Wed 08:59

If I took GD from the N1 death and then seer died N2 I'd be really pissed off with myself
Cyclonus Wed 08:59

I did wait one time because village were toxic so I joined wolves even tho they were going down lolol
Skids Wed 09:00

Was that Greyback?
Cyclonus Wed 09:00

lolol yea ,I guess at least you'd know though
Wed 09:00

I think so
Wed 09:00

I was too inactive due to another ongoing game so I sucked pretty bad
Skids Wed 09:01

Yeah, that says my precedent for suggesting you might have GR'd a wolf ;)
Cyclonus Wed 09:01

I never normally would!
Skids Wed 09:01

Shhhh
Wed 09:01

Don't tell them
Kup Wed 09:01

I find it weird that the GD becomes a wolf when he robs one
Skids Wed 09:01

I needed a reason to distrust you ;-;
Cyclonus Wed 09:01

They/you(?) were using tons of meta with encryption websites or something
Skids Wed 09:02

Yeah, it was when Vemeth posted the Base64
Wed 09:02

And told me the PW in Mason chat
Cyclonus Wed 09:04

So you could talk secretly in the day? Imagine if wolves did that!
Kup Wed 09:05

Imagine if everyone did that
Skids Wed 09:05

That wasn't really the purpose
Wed 09:05

The purpose was that village trusted Vemeth, so he left me a way to prove myself after he died
Wed 09:06

But I still don't think it really violated any rules
Wed 09:06

I understand why people aren't happy with it though
Kup Wed 09:06

In short: it breaks the game
Skids Wed 09:06

Like, encoding roles and stuff breaks the game
Wed 09:07

But using it to verify a mason seems a fair strategy to me
Wed 09:07

But anyway
Kup Wed 09:07

I think there is only an unwritten rule rn
Skids Wed 09:07

I guess it's a problem because it's hard to draw the line in general
Wed 09:08

Using it for one thing but not another means there can be grey areas
Wed 09:08

So it's easier just to prevent it completely
Impactor Wed 09:13

I agree that we shouldn't have crypto in the game
Wed 09:13

Oh, yeah someone mentioned N3.
Wed 09:14

I think it was N3: all the killing wolves were having parties or whatever and we didn't go for a kill :P
Wed 09:14

But at least we outed the prot with it x)
Kup Wed 09:24

Oh god
Wed 09:24

If we hadn't had a HM, this would have been an excellent plan
Cyclonus Wed 09:33

It was...not a...plan... ;-;
Kup Wed 09:33

Wolves forget to kill once, one wolf gives up ...... wolves win
Cyclonus Wed 09:34

I was prepared. Last time I played this theme was Pi the 'ill ditch this game but join another' BH and somehow I still won it
Wed 09:35

No more Transformers theme nooooooOO
Wed 09:36

Although it doesn't feel much like a win idk... I feel so bad for DBrax ;-; my witch! Swindle and Tailgoat didnt rly make a decision for themselves for me vs Soundwave :/
Wed 09:37

Meth was so onto me! Guys you should listen to him if he ever thinks I'm evil ;)
Wheeljack Wed 09:48

^^
Wed 09:48

well GG
Wed 09:48

I just wasn't sure enough
Cyclonus Wed 09:55

I'm curious what the difference is between me good and evil
Wed 09:55

Is it more seriousness? That's your one!
Kup Wed 10:09

Why did your BH visit me?
Skids Wed 10:13

I didn't
Wed 10:15

Optimus, Fulcrum, Wheeljack, Tailgate, Menasor, didn't bother, Swindle
Impactor Wed 10:18

We deduced in the end that you had to be GD
Wed 10:18

@Town: when you said 'I think Cyclonus is wolf' at nightfall my heart skipped a beat, lol
Wed 10:19

I dreaded the last-minute vote that would change the outcome of this game
Soundwave Wed 12:14

Hey guys! Good game. Still working on strategy/gameplay. But it was fun! Wolves out played us xD
Wheeljack Wed 13:04

Hey Brax, GG. Tough one for you
Wed 13:04

Shabas did just an absolutely marvelous job. Hard to counter such SS perfection
Kirschstein Wed 13:09

"one wolf gives up" -> Yes, very disappointed to see that, and then to join another game straight after such apathy. No excuse for that.
Wheeljack Wed 13:20

So much respect for the 3 Winning Wolves
Wed 13:20

One dude just giving up is heartbreaking. But now that I look at the ppl. in this wolf team, it's obvious why they had the poise and guts to continue.
Wed 13:21

Huge props to you :)
Wed 13:22

@enna after your OscarMike comment I knew it was you. But I just think you didn't try hard enough and you jumped a bit on the SS comparisons for Soundwave
Wed 13:22

I checked it before and didn't notice a difference
Wed 13:43

@Enna that win was deserved. I think Jez as well as others have had good reasons to vote Soundwave. it was just a very well executed SS.
Wed 13:43

I mean I had my gut feeling but I couldn't find a difference in Impactor
Fulcrum Wed 16:51

I hate being a decider! I almost jumped to Cyclonus at the last second :(
Cyclonus Wed 19:05

Good job you don't watch us playing pubg on Tofu's youtube xD I totally gave it away there by asking 'nobody's in the ww game now right? good so i can type loudly' at 9pm
Wed 19:06

I wanted SW to be BH not shifted :p
Wed 19:06

The code i found making 'HM' and 'Vanilla' was just so funny
Fulcrum Thu 00:50

Haha, well played
Kup Sat 07:48

Whenever I feel like SS is worthless, I come back here to see how we we're crushed

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