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Skids votes to lynch Soundwave
I tried so hard, and got so far, but in the end, it didn't even matter ;-;
I'm sad and angry and disappointed and just all the emotions :(
Kup votes to lynch Soundwave
I like Kup
So what's the plan guys?
We have two GDs, we you'd probably be making full use of them
I have a plan
the BH comes out and tells us whether he has found a wolf
then we lynch the BH
We should *
yo yo yo
:(.... I tried so hard
Today is another quiet day
Menasor votes to lynch Cyclonus
Wheeljack votes to lynch Whirl
Optimus votes to lynch Swindle
ASV Outta Nowhere!!
Impactor votes to lynch Swerve
It's still early, hopefully it wont still be quiet by later :/
bring it boys
give us some juicy info
The Seer is the only one who will have useful info realistically. The only info useful to village that the GD's could provide, with no lynches, might be that the Seer is dead.
If the seer is dead already I think GDs should probably not tell us?
I kninda wanna vote impactor after that statement
Wheeljack votes to lynch Impactor
Anyone notice that Kup dropped a second vote of Soundwave?
I did, but ppl. are braindead
wanna balance on Impactor?
Hmm, I can't
I'm the first vote on Soundwave xD
well you could switch
to optimus or something
Skids votes to lynch Whirl
I'll go with the first 0 for now
We should decide as a group if we really want to balance today
Actually, you know what
Skids votes to lynch Impactor
If the rest of the village think that we shouldn't lynch today, or that Impactor is a bad lynch, then they can choose to balance
I think we should lynch today
I think so to Skids
Lets make an impact!
Swindle votes to lynch Impactor
Okay, three votes is good
We don't want too many unless everyone will be around later, as it makes it harder to change if necessary
sounds like a plan
Wait why him?
Because his comment was shitty and made no sense
You volunteer yourself'
Reading back, can someone summarise any information we actually have, or are we going on guesswork right now?
My comment made perfect sense. In a game with a GR and two protection roles. A GD should come out if the Seer ends up dead. So the GR can rob and get to seering. Especially since there is a BH and the wolves might already know the Seer is dead.
Sure the wolves can claim GR but that's kind of the point of the game anyway, so..........
Protection is ample and there is a backup GD to confirm any false claims or if the other GD gets killed
Well, so are you one of those mentioned roles who could help us?
Wheeljack votes to lynch Soundwave
I guess ASV until further information
Soundwave votes to lynch Menasor
Tailgate votes to lynch Whirl
Cyclonus votes to lynch Skids
Impactor, ever heard of this? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four-sides_model
Obviously, any role here is worth robbing
If the wolf is winning with one of them being dead and you know who it is, well, then, yes.
yes, unless it was a HM kill
But Kup is kinda right, GR can basically rob every dead person as long as it is a single kill
and then just cry out if he got something
well I hope this is what GR is doing since N1
Unless they want to be a wolf
that's jerk move trust me
you make no friends with that one
I wonder what role was supposed to be in instead
Be nice if we had a stalker
So Cyclonus, what would be your further plan of action? lynch? no lynch?
ask for a reveal?
Seer would come out today, surely? Unless he found 2 villagers and decided to wait for tomorrow. In that case I think random lynch for GDs to check
who would you lynch?
So difficult to say when protectives and wolves are most likely displaying similar behaviour
but I think not you or Kup
@Wheel: You know the GR only gets one steal right?
Hmmm, its true that the GR robbing other roles is useful as well just not as useful as Seer.
The problem with GD revealing other roles being dead is that the idea of Protection roles is almost as valuable as the roles themselves. The very possibility of them being out there is a problem for the wolves. If a GD confirms that they're gone and the GR is inactive or just doesn't want the role then that's quite a bad thing for village.
But of course they could know already with the BH so I don't know. . . .
@Impactor, yes the GR can only steal one role, but if he hits vanilla, he gets another try and so on
So worst case he gets something like HM
which would still be cool
I get you.
since Wolves probably don't think there is still one or even worse if there are two :D
nvm we got no reviver
well an additional HM would be nice anyway
Its a bit win-win
Then GR doesn't need Grave info yet
no matter what it's probably useful
he can just dig away
Well DON'T DIG LYNCHES
if we lynch
Unless confirmed by a confirmed GD
Which is a lot of confirmation
I get your point now impactor, and what you said and why you said it.
So who would you wanna lynch?
Sry if my initial comment was a bit harsh
I read it in a different way
Wheeljack - don't dig lynches?
well if we lynch someone, don't rob this person :P
Is the all 1s era dead?
Fulcrum votes to lynch Optimus
how about you actually read stuff?
Is the "I reread before I ask weird questions" dead?
How about you settle the hell down, a-hole
Wheeljack votes to lynch Fulcrum
here, have a one, I hope you get a two and a three two
you're doing this for this game, then?
We're doing this, now?
Maybe you should take some time off
because you're not pleasant
and it isn't fun playing with this version
you called me a-hole? I guess you're the gentleman then?
Because you were being an a-hole
you don't need to attack people
What was your first comment supposed to mean?
It was a silly joke about the ASV
perfect timing. I mean it's not like we want to get stuff done today.
Look, I'm not dealing with this snarky bs today
So ASV's and ASV jokes instead to an actual contribution to the discussion is just nice.
it's boring and it only frustrates everyone else
Oh my god, please stop
do you got anything to contribute
I have nothing to add
or you just here to shit on me?
there's nothing to say
Seer stay hideen
Voillage do your best!
and you say I should take a break? :p
that just made my day XD
I didn't realize you were running the show
So, what else are we not allowed to do?
Jokes are a no-no
Who should we lynch? or should we not?
SRZ BZNZ ONLY
Why would we lynch?
is it? why?
Am I in some alternate reality?
Maybe you're in the functionist universe
Oh shit, sorry, D3, no roleplay allowed ;)
Fulcrum, come down from your anger, chill and tell me what your plan is. How you think we(are you a member of we?) to win this game?
Why is lynching stupid?
I don't see how, at this stage, choosing someone to lynch is a great benefit
Look what makes me very suspicios of you is that you try to deflect this talk to something person between you and me. I'm not interested if you like me. I wanna know what you think about this round.
You think it's better that the 2GDs check the same person each night?
Okay, lynch Wheeljack for trying to out specials already
I mean, I have nothing
That's the point
I don't know anything yet
you think you'll have something tomorrow? or does this attitude continue until someone else does something?
What do you mean, "out specials" ?
he means I'm too early to pressure ppl.
So I'm evil because I want to do something
Look I just hate sitting on my ass waiting for the seer to bring salvation and 5 wolves in a row
I guess that's what he's hoping for
Apparently I'm evil for making an entirely innocuous comment
Then do something, but don't get on MY ass for nothing
No, but your reaction to my reaction is totally out of scope for this game.
Do not attack people as soon as they show up if you do not want retaliation
I found your joke misstimed
It's really okay to keep your snarky, and entirely uinhelpful comments to yourself
This isn't YOUR game
I wont. But thanks for your feedback. Can we come back to the actual game?
So WHAT DO YOU PLAN TO DO?
Yes, when you shuit up
Feel free to get back to it
I'm not stopping you
Jesus fucking christ
So, what is the plan for today
Lynch or no lynch?
uhm, can someone help me? Was there some trigger warning I missed?
Let's just move on
Yeah, Wheeljack is triggered by jokes
Let's move on...
honestly I start to think Fulcrum could need a break. It's getting obnoxious.
Cool, I'll take a break
Lynch me today and I'll be out for a while
I don't wanna rely on one role to win this game.
Fulcrum, what would you suggest we do today?
Because watching people get shit on for not playing a certain way in every game is old and tired
No lynch today, then what?
It's gotten kind of stale
Skids... help me
I'm trying :(
Ok one last try:
I'd like a civil discussion in the pros and cons of lynching vs not lynching
I'm obviously irritated and will not be of much use
I obviously think not lynching is better, as i said
I do not care much at the moment
Impactor turned up and didn't say "guys don't lynch me I'm not a wolf"
Which I find kinda weird o.O
Look, it's not about playing the game "my" way. It's about me trying to get info out of ppl. without using a role. I think it's my duty as a villager to actually try to win a game. Yes I found Impactors comment suspicious at first. But later paddled back and apologized. I made a snarky comment about what I felt was a snarky comment as well. You don't have to play my game, you can say you don't want to lynch. But please... I didn't like/get your joke, don't make a drama out of it. I didn't call you words. I didn't say you were wrong. I just found your comment misstimed and told you so.
Getting info out of me by telling me to read before commenting is rude, and it doesn't actually help anything. You didn't ask what it meant, you acted like how dare I make a joke in YOUR conversation
How you speak to people matters
Also I'd like to add that I understood that you thought not lynching is the better option, what I'd like to know is /why/
I said why
I don't like lynching for no reason other than depending on GD
*checks back *
Lynching with no infor is bad
Look, if we lynch just to let GD do a job, then we give wolves a biiiig role to claim, then it turns into a D4 GD showdown
Do you disagree that the quickest way for us to get information this game is by lynching?
It's a 2 GD setup...
Yes, we restrict our own info, but we restrict their ability to claim with multiple targest, too
Cyclonus votes to lynch Fulcrum
Yes, so how many GD claims can we get?
At least 4
But possibly more
TMW we get 5
Two GD, two wolves, one Graverobber
Only wolves are against progress
How very village
I will never advocate for lynching with no info
I mean, probably not seriously
Unles I'm feeling especially manic
What if it gets to D5 and there's no seer claim?
If it's D5 and we have literally no information, the game should probably be reset
So, the way I see it is that we can lynch blindly on D5 or we can lynch blindly now
But doing it on D5 is much riskier
When I say info, I'm also talking about claims
At least then there's something to look at and say I believe them or I don't
The GDs might be dead and the wolves would be closer to parity so a mislynch is more costly
So we either lynch random, or force roles to come out?
I get that
Maybe we compromise
it's a gamble
We don't just cycle through people until we get a weak claim
Out some roles AND lynch randomly?
We should, as a village, decide who we think is the best lynch and pursue that
We have 6 villagers
Forcing when we (hopefully) have 2 protectives seems a little risky, I assume seer and GDs know what they're doing if they're not speaking up today?
And if that person claims a role, we decide if it's a credible claim or a wolf under pressure
And then decide to lynch based on that
My issue with the idea of weak claims is the amount of available fakes
6 villagers, GR, and Gd are all kind of up for grabs
yeah that is another reason not to bother forcing roles, wolves can just all say vanilla
I agree, Cy
I don't think we go "okay, Shockwave claimed GD, so it's Cyclonus next"
I'm not saying we should call roles
I know that, Skids
Cyclonus votes to lynch Tailgate
But I don't think we should be afraid to act on credible suspicions just because the seer didn't say they were a wolf
I agree with that, too
Depending on the Seer is a bad plan
Depending on any one or two role/s is a bad plan
Maybe we can lynch someone who doesn't insist to live, meaning whether wolf, protective, or villager, without saying their role they just have to at least insist not to die
If only to get some text out of people/....
We used to pressure people who hadn't spoken much
I can't tell if you're joking or not
(I laughed either way)
There are 2 SS's and like 5 people talking
I don't think in a set up like this that that is necessarily a bad option
Yeah, it just sounded funny to me
Beg for your life or die
but if HM and Prot get pressured and come out -_-
I rather they just say no plz
Yeah, and if they claim vanilla, that's 2 extra vanillas to sift through
false vanilla claims might make this setup complicated
@Wheeljack, sorry I'm bitchy <3
I think if the HM or Prot is acting suspiciously enough to be our first pick of a wolf then they're doing it wrong
They should be comfortably mid-suspicion level ;F
Although, they may just be trying to throw wolves off with bizarre behavior
I was wondering what that face was
No, but that's the thing
Wolves would know they're not a wolf
And so they'd instantly become a BH target
Right, but they might go "Hmm, prot wouldn't act that out of the ordinary"
Then it's RIP protection :(
I forgot about BH in this setup!
Duh, because of the GD
It's a Double-tripple bluff
I didn't check, but do we have brand new folks this game?
That could be bad in this particular game
I think we might have had two
Well, my fingers are crossed that they're active
If not, balance if screwed
Side note: I know GR wasn't intended for this game, but it actually might be amazing
I love GR
I kinda don't get what Fulcrums issue is here
Is his thesis that wolves can just claim vanilla?
Fulcrum Fri 16:10 My issue with the idea of weak claims is the amount of available fakes Fri 16:10 6 villagers, GR, and Gd are all kind of up for grabs
Kup votes to lynch Fulcrum
So, thesis. . .okay
We were talking about random lynching vs having claims, and why the roles in this setup could be problematic
There are a lot of places to hide was my point, that's all
The question is whether that is the case
Gosh, is d3 the new d2?
okay, so far I've caught shot for not taking things seriously, then for just stating things?
The best compromise is to wait it out until tomorrow. If no info tomorrow then a random lynch pressure approach might be warranted. As Cyclonus said its too easy to claim villager and we don't wanna out the prots.
Also @Skids: Claiming "please don't kill me i'm not wolf is a waste of time. It proves nothing. I prefer to simply state why my comment wasn't suspicious or at least explain my reasoning."
@Kup, the D2/D3 thing is kind of irrelevant
We can't control how many people talk on what day
Rewind will be smited \o/
If more people were talking, we'd have more to go on
I don't get the reference
because there is none
I. . .
Anyway, obviously things would be more productive if more people were talking
Of those of us who are talking, I don't really find any one person standing out as *the* lynch
Maybe myself for my earlier outburst, but i can just say it's a function of my humanity and not game related
Again, uper sorry for overreacting @WJ
that was a lil cray
Oh my god, Kup. . . I totally wasn't thinking of the character name so i was sooooo confused
Total disclosure, I am in a lot of pain, and so my emotional state is inappropriately on edge
I'll do my best to keep my personal shit in check, though
Yet you are here, I admire your dedication
Are you kidding?
This is how I make it through these types of days XD
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ww.es is invaluable as a distraction from bad feels
I love you all, now let's kill each other!
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I see both sides of the situation. I personally dont wanna risk accidentally lynching a village-aligned special today
It may be best to give it ONE more day for any info
but at the same time we dont wanna be waiting until d5 to finally decide to lynch
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Rewind votes to lynch Impactor
Oh come on
Fulcrum votes to lynch Rewind
Shall we just lynch Rewind, then?
What if he's undercover
No speaking, though?
Like, at least say something, Rewind
I can't balance on myself, though
What the hell was that? Anyway I'll be back in a while to see if there were any developments. Balance.
Impactor votes to lynch Fulcrum
Why say balance if we all can see it?
Second most superfluous thing, after "ASV"
Because the purpose behind my vote might not necessarily be to balance? Because it might have been because I want to lynch Fulcrum and it just so happened to balance at the same time? So its worth taking one word to explain.
What is with all the nit-picking over tiny irrelevant details today?
While wholesale ignoring the most sus thing today, being the random vote drop by Rewind.
I would rxpect you yo explain if there was a reason besides balance
Also, I don't like it when someone tries to divert my attention
And if someone decides what the most sus thing is
How do you know there is no other purpose other than balance unless I tell you and objectively speaking that was sus. I don't know how you could characterize it any other way. As for diverting your attention. From what and how?