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Can we agree that Maokai was killed for approving LoL? So LoL is bad kids ok?
well 2 kills, so looks like both VMs haven't recruited yet?
or maybe ML fails to recruit
I demand a mason recruit 2nite
What happens if you're recruited by two masons?
I become god?
I think that the chance that a Mason Leader hits a Vampire Master is quite low
(No math pleeease)
And why would 2 mason leaders recruit the same person?
Do vamp kill if he recruit cov?
What if Varus's is a Vampire Master?
he becomes god
well he kinda already would be god.
mason recruit me to prove it
Kassadin votes to lynch Varus
grant me some juicy nite chat
You're trying to waste our Mason Leaders, admit it xD
he's attention whoring worse than Trump.
Varus votes to lynch Lucian
Next he'll tell us he got the best checks.
I for once welcome our new vampire overlords
Qit h a net wo erg of over 10B Dollars
Uhm.... my cat
My blood is tasty and my soul is willing.
quiet nites are boring
I can foresee Varus fate already
N2: Purged, Recruited by Mason, recruited by Vamp, becomes GD.
visited by all the roles
yeh, gimmie some interesting nite
N3: shot by militia
sry your story ends there.
doubt militia would just shoot someone for being awesome and partying
seriously tho, I wouldn't have asked for mason recruit if I weren't worth it
watch me get djinn swapped
I wouldn't have asked for a vamp recruit if I weren't worth it.
watch me get seer checked
I think we should lynch since two vamps technically have eight lives
The alchemists are a pretty good reason to not say what Varus said
I agree sona. And seers are a good reason to not say what I said.
I'm thinking about a day 2 role call...
They may take away our ROLES, but they'll never take our FREEEEEEDOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!
also bonus fact.
if we get ppl. to claim now, recruited people will struggle with their claims
claiming revivers might be an equivalent to villager in this setup
Like if I claim MIlitia now, and then I get recruited and become fam stalker, how the fuck do I shoot someone
or with 3 stalkers now, if all reveal, and one becomes GD after vamp recruit. Tough luck
the vamp shoots for you, obviously
that's not a bonus kill
people will notice
say that vamp recruited?
can VM choose which type the familiar would their recruit become?
ps. Vamps don't recruit me. I can't bear the stress.
if mason recruits me, you see, I'll struggle when vamp recruits me
Why do I never hear the cheering and stuff when I suggest a Day 2 rolecall?
total role call D2, maybe a bit crazy, but may be good idea to counter the mass-recruitments
vamp got eight, coven got five plus puppets, I think we should just d2 lynch
I honestly think town is fucked this game.
shall we just signal that who wants to join, then wait if there're enough ppl that joins the role call then all reveal?
that's why I go for the crazy play.
we got plenty diggers
yo fuck Diggers
diggers don't catch shit
every time I'm wolf I just ignore them mostly.
We need to get the evils to target each other
you wanna ask them Nicely Sona?
Moderator Sun 17:58 There are: 1 Seer, 1 Protector, 2 Gravediggers, 1 Graverobber, 2 Revivers, 3 Stalkers, 2 Militia, 2 MasonLeaders, 1 Djinn, 3 Alchemists, 1 Puppetmaster and 2 VampireMasters.
well VM's could wipe out coven
still 2 vm's
vamps do wanna kill each other
the Vampire Masters alao play against each other
yeah but everyone else gets thrown under the bus
How do the Alchemist interact with the Vampires/Familiars?
I think super early role claim is THE way to bust vm's
so, in conclusion, mason recruit me, bye
No idea, never happened before
anyone minds me? The total role call is only effective if there're many enough ppl join, but ppl hesitate to start first
can we just lynch Varus
he pisses me off.
so how about those who want to join role call just signal that he wants to join
then if enough ppl signal, all claim
fams and vamps are immune to alchs
hey you finally said something which didn't include the words "recruit" or "mason", maybe you're not that annoying after all
I don't think that we'll catch the Alchemist in an early rolecall
Look Mason is like Dating, you don't approach a girl and say "marry me, I got a big D* and I'm wealthy"
well you maybe do, but then... oh well
FML I suck at dating.
There are Coven and Puppets to consider- and players that don't show up
well then we start with the people not showing up.
I don't think that we'll catch the Vampire Master is an early rolecall
It's not about catching a VM, it's about catching future fams
because their roles change
if you're GD, you get recruited and you become fam milita, gooooood luck giving those GD checks
Honestly I think this game is lost if we just sit here today
Don't we expose ourselves?
there would be fams that will then shout out like "hey alchemist has reset my role" but we can still narrow down the list
At the moment it's 14 Village vs 4+2 coven vs 2 VM. Tomorrow if could be 12 vs 10 and so on.
also alchs are fucked at roleclaiming
what the heck you claim as alc?
you don't even know what you become
good luck with that.
Familiars losing their abilities will claim to have been purged
i've just realized that there're 3 alchemists :(
I already said goodbye to my role. But idgaf, I wanna win this game by having a plan.
we need a plan vs 2 vm's else we're done.
Also some note of caution for a GR. Alchemist is one of the few coven roles you can actually rob.
So if you wanna end up in some weird witch circle good luck with that. I don't think you want to be coven this round.
the current rate is 13 village vs 8 evils
did I misscount?
if no coven was killed last night
oh i see
so with VM recruits, village will quickly lose just by being outnumbered
my point :)
we need to do something fast.
ok then just push the total role call
signal the #iclaim if you want to join
and remember to check back at least before today ends
I just hope I wont get a shitstorm afterwards :D
you'll get shits anw in this game :D
I think if we get about half of the claims stuff is good. rest can just f off, or be lynched, or have some solid evidence for your claim.
let's do something crazy
#iclaim #blacklivesmatter #feminism
oh boy how got the last two tags in there?
If we reveal the roles, Vampires will recruit villagers and kill coven
so, what does change compared to the current situation?
you're aware that exactly this happens anyway?
Since you can't recruit coven they die
So I think there is already a high chance one of the dudes in the grave is actually coven.
after 174, I'm doubt anyone wants to pull of a SoFasttt VM here.
They would be more likely to recruit covens
So you assume no coven will claim anything?
I assume that it will be easier to distinguish coven from Villager
what annoys me a bit about this setup is that coven is 100% useless vs a VM
Djinn: who gives a shit, Witch: useless, Alchemist: useless, Shaman: useless, Succu: useless, PM: useless
Coven in this game can only mess up village.
Kassadin votes to lynch Lucian
Pm is as usefell as he's normally
I wonder if the coven should weaken the village
But you get my point right?
I also agree with your concerns about an early role claim. But I would like to hear an alternative from you.
good news, we don't have to lynch Familiars
We can have the other Vamp kill them
So which vamp team are you?
Red or Blue?
I mean, it's rly rly cool that vamps kill each others fams, but how does this make village win this round?
Wolf or Mason?
I mean your point is like two different Alien factions invading earth and you say "cool aliens will kill aliens"
yeah right they do, but on a sidenote they just fking wreck humanity.
So you're saying the faster we eliminate the Vampires, the better our chances
No but I see familiars as infected humans. And I try to detected when they are infected
for me the only big weakness about vm recruits is that they have a random chance for 3 roles
all 3 roles are in the game too.
So when we don't claim early those later claims will blend in
and we have no chance of catching them
If I'm Militia now, I get recruited tonight, there's a roleclaim day 4, nobody will ever know I was actually Militia and not GD.
Another thing to consider is the lack of Protection
but if I claim militia now, and I'm asked to shoot ... Twisted day 4, and I can't shoot him stuff gets more complicated for vamps.
We can be certain that we won't get more than 2 Seer results this way
seer results mean shit this game
I get seer checked n2, recruited n3
Shit or everything?
they are pretty much useless in the long run
They are still nice to have
If they hit a VM, yay? I guess
if they hit anything else well...
they get a cookie
Because they can tell us who Vampires and Familiars and coven and village are?
AT THIS MOMENT
the whole point about familiars is that they change faction later
So the seer is useful later in the game
because 1) he wont make it that long, 2) he can be recruited too, 3) he can be purged, 4) he can be militia shot by fam
Ok I'll make a list of what I think can win us this game:
But the MLs are replacement Seers?
let me finish
1) Masons, we need tons of them, we need all of them.
2) very early claims, if we got by the kills nobody got recruited yet. IT'S THE CHANCE
If an ML died tonight the other ML should know and consider outing himself today. Because chances are high to catch a VM Day 2.
an ML Day 2 for 1 of the two killing roles this game would be a jackpot for us.
But the Mod won't get another recruit
How does one ML know whether the second one died?
because they talk to each other?
there's only 1 mason
I thought they had 2 independent chats
you got one mason chat, with all the masons in it.
I'm like 75% that Maokai was coven
he talked day 1, and then died
people like to recruit ppl. who talk day 1 since you want a recruit fast, but if the guy gets smited gg.
How does that make him coven?
I just said it.
Coven die if VM wants to recruit them.
I see almost no way a VM wouldn't want to recruit n1
He wasn't the only on e who talked, so 75% seems like an overestimate
He could be village?!
We got two vamps who want to recruit night 1.
because you want to recruit night 1
if you want to win.
We got two dead
You're right, I'm making no sense xD
Nah. It's fine.
I forgot that coven can't be recruited by the Vampire
I'm very familiar (ha ha pun) with how Vamp works and what you want to do. So maybe I tihnk one step ahead.
I meantion Maokai because he was prominent day 1
while Graves seems more random
I as vm wouldn't go for grave n1
But Maokai would be an option
It'd be an obvious recruit, maybe too obvious
So are we doing a rolecall?
Graves = ML?
Ahri and me try to gather opinions, if I was able to sell you on my idea. there the #Iclaim hashtag :P
Doesn't mean you should claim now. but just to express if you'd join us on this journey.
I'm a bit undecided
Sona votes to lynch Warwick
What it boils down to for me is: How good are our chaneed to catch a Vampire Master today if we do a rolecall?
As I said, This is not about catching the vamp, this is about catching their familiars in the future
It should be about the Vampire
evils also usually don't dare to fake claim early so we can also narrow down the list by seeing who claim and who don't
someone also needs to count the numbers of ppl who have joined
Sona vamp and familiar are the same team. So it's about vamps
at the moment it's 2, me (Ahri) and Kass
I'm actually a bit depressed right now.
Sona then pls suggest some plan you think is good to be against vampire
doing nothing is not
I think my plan makes kinda sense :/ But probably wont happen since either ppl. don't care, don't understand it or don't agree with me. Although I think I was not bad at adressing Sona's concerns.
My question is whether your plan is better than doing nothing
I saw this as a challenge to beat VM.
But I already feel drained...
as I already said, just a few role call is not good, but a total role call may make difference
that's why I tell ppl to just signal they join, and if we see there're many enough, we all claim
yep. But with the current participation we're done.
many ppl don't even want to be online
This only works today
Randomly lynch someone who doesn't show up
this should be effective with at least ~10 ppl i guess
I wonder is Sona is trolling me.
Sona so the question is, if ~10 ppl agree to claim, do you also want to participate?
I already explained in greath length why normal "stuff" doesn't work vs 2 vm's.
if yes just signal you join, it's no harm
If we do a rolecall, we should just start it
we need numbers
around 10 to do it.
yes, if there're enough ppl join!
Else it's a drop in the ocean
But it takes time to gather the numbers
oh sry i was looking at the previous cmt and thought it was new
Ca we assume that every villager that shows up will claim?
@Sona I already said, if just a few ppl start claiming now it will not effective but put the claimed power roles in danger, and maybe help evils narrow down their targets
it only works with a lot of role claim, so I just want commitment!
It's d2, not many players will show up
then they're all idiots and shouldn't play on this site if they don't show up day2.
I really don't get what you afraid of, Sona
if you signal you join and ppl don't show up, you lose nothing, we don't claim
if many ppl show up and join then we do a total role claim
why do you have to think that much?
Messages got eaten
I'm ok with the rolecall
I have to think so much because we are exposing Seer and Mason Leaders with a severe lack of protection
Is that nothing to be afraid of?
At least I am afraid of it
if like ~10 role claims at once then risk will be shared among ppl, seer is not the only important role to be the target
so are you joining? if you do pls comment the #iclaim hashtag so that others are sure you're committing
They are the most important roles
I'd like a third voice in this
Open setup with no vanilla
I also think it's a good idea for us to claim as soon as possible
there will be conflicts for sure = easier to narrow down list of potential evils
how do we deal with it after that though?
important intel roles could very well be recruited as fam, or purged
it's not a fixed plan like if A then we do B, if C then we do D
Despite 3 Alchemists?
2 votes on me? :/
just need to push for claims first, or village surely lose
let the roles come out by them self
or we can force on day 3
Lucian, what do you think about the rolecall?
not day 2
I think the role call will get all the intel reviewed and kill
Lucian votes to lynch Brand
so stop plz
zz read the discussion pls
i read it
but still dont like that idea
then you prefer to sit still and wait for miracle?
Yes we sit tight and wait for intel to come out by t hem self
like all the vampires and coven only fight each other and let the village live in peace
people can with intel can get kill
even when we narrow it
I give up on these people
Can you remove your role please?
I won't spend my effort on this game anymore
you vote... can it stop staying on me please?
let the village burned
Ahri votes to lynch Sona
@Ahri it's not that, we need a more solid plan
don't give up
she problaly just a ran out skill coven so why border? :|
if we all claim now I fear that we will just give out our seer/prot/stalkers to be turned/purged for free
Yes that is what i think too
Looks like i am late for the party
I just read up and i argee with Lucian that we shouldnt do a soon role claim
Let the intel go by them self
I think we should go for the role claim
Force evils to commit to something
Orianna votes to lynch Warwick
Honestly, I don't think the village can afford to be passive with this set up
only 1 day
dont lose your paiteint
Coven are a boon to the village in this game
Because they fuck with the chance that the vampires can recruit successfully
Vampire recruits a coven = one less evil and no turned villager
But if village wastes time then the vampire teams get stronger and stronger
But the Vampire is unlikely to recruit coven
Vampire won't know
It's pot luck early game, right?
Vampire no more knows who the coven are than we do
By claiming we establish who is more likely to be village
why do we have a pair of 2s?
and those persons are more likely to be recruited
if we're balancing on 2, we need at least 4 stacks to prevent puppet snipe
The only reason to so a rolecall imo is to lynch a vampkretoday
if someone moves from warwick, I'll move from lucian
Sona votes to lynch Ahri
Varus votes to lynch Kassadin
I've got to go for now
was checking back and confused on stacks
ok let me explain all the reasons behind the total role claim one last time
with this setup, village is doomed and cannot win by doing normal stuffs
VMs will spread out like a disease very quick
we need to be very agressive
if we have most ppl claimed, we would narrow down the targets alot and scare evils from fake claims
we also have 2 militias who can shoot the suspicious ones at night for more agression
if you signal you join, you only have to claim if there're enough ppl also claims and it would make difference
if there're too few ppl, you lose nothing
let's say the bar for total role claim is 13
>= 13 ppl join -> all of them claim
< 13 ppl -> nothing happens
of course THERE IS NO PERFECT PLAN
but with that we make more progress and resolve the game quicker, which is necessary in a game with VM
the longer the game stays, the stronger the evils will be
ah btw, the open setup is good for total claiming, we can verify more easily
and evils would be more afraid of fake claiming
I repeat, I DON'T BELIEVE VILLAGE CAN WIN THIS BY DOING NORMAL STUFFS
let's raise the bar to 15 ppl, is it safer?
just commit, if you don't believe there're 15 ppl join then it's no difference
I agree on doing a roleclaim today
I'll do it first, Im reviver
Might got purged tonight so probably Im gonna revive Graves
i mean just join the #iclaim, if there're many enough ppl then we claim, because the indiviual claims could be not effective
but ok anw you claimed
well, it's a good start. I like how Zilean gets the stuff going
Yeah thanks for that
Ahri we both try to do the #iclaim because we don't wanna force something the majority doesn't want.
He wants to claim and he does it :)
Um.....Seems that Im the only one who claimed
I will later. Don't worry. We just need some more peeps.
or well f it. I'm Stalker. If we don't do this today. I gonna rage anyway.
Ahri, I agree
But we shouldn't do it by half
that's why I just go for it.
We either need decent consent (and maybe those who don't consent are evils?)
It's not the number of ppl who claim or what we lose
I concern about the valuable roles, like seer or stalker or prot
should they claim as everyone else?
that's what I meant by ''a more solid plan''
I'm in though #iclaim
I'm in for the role call
Ezreal votes to lynch Karthus
I suggest we do a pressure on random people, at least until they claim. So we get people to show up and join in? Is that an idea?
Kassadin votes to lynch Karthus
I'm not in
Alchemist baiting game is strong
Vi votes to lynch Lux
Kassadin votes to lynch Vi
Alchemist baiting game?
You actually serious?
Poppy votes to lynch Vi
Vi, 'm not convinced
I want you to claim, please
we got no vanilla
every person in this game is something
No I don't want to
Can you hint about your role? Is it single-use or every-night-use?
besides evil will fake claim too. so
I want people to narrow down at least
ww.es is not about power roles, it's about logic and stuff.
I don't now why ppl. are so worried about their precious roles
I don't want to
She's online now, and one of the refusers
So I'm going for her
and not letting go, I hope Kassadin perseveres with me
I want to hear some arguments besides "no"
and "alchemist bait"
Has anyone else claimed yet?
If you're not going to make a clearer and safer plan for everyone, I'm not in
Right now it's just a baiting game
uhm, if I'd have a "safer" plan, I'd probably have told it by now. But fuck Alchemist, we got 2 VM's.
Okay so here's your flaw
how can you be concerned about Alchi bait, when we have two killing roles who can recruit up to six people.
Assuming all the village roles are telling the truth, we have 8 distinct roles, 5 of them have 2 or more
Alchemists are not interested in getting village roles gone which help against the VMs
Coven and village are in this thing together against VM, in this sense at least
If I'm evil and I'm coordinated I might just distribute myu bad guys into roles that have many
Vi is lit
I trust her
It will take time to verify all the bunch of stalkers or bunch of militia
When all the unique role die one by one or purged
Now, how's your plan work out eh?
only 1 claim
and you didnt even claim?
Not to mention recruitment after being verified
did you even read??
Okay, fair and square
I will claim after Vi does
this is to detect recruitment
because ppl. change roles
So I want ROLES today because some of us will have different ones tomorrow
that's the whole point.
the odds are greater that they lose their role than that they can still carry out their role after recruit, indeed
i will claim after Brand and Ahri and Sona claim
If they are changed then the number is not right isn't it
We'll know by then?
They started this they must go first
Yeah, I'll claim after Ahri and Brand and Sona
I've been the first sceptic
@Vi, you have to consider the amount of killing is slowing down with recruitment
May you maddam?
Everybody waits for everybody else, that doesn't help. Claim now, Vi, and I'll go right after.
What about Kassadin?
So the amount if dead people compared to changed people will be better than a wolf game.
Poppy do you realisy that you are waiting too?
If you say that then you go first
Kassadin votes to lynch Viktor
Lucian, why these 3 persons?
They started the claim
They MUST go first
No, they didn't
Akassadin and Agri did
I already claimed.
Can you restate it? I missed it, I guess
I was sceptical and said only if we get enough ppl to claim
Sona will not claim?
This is crazy
The problem is, Sona, that people are rarely here on the same time. We may be able to lead by example
I just told you when I'll claim
Orianna, what do you think of this?
Who agree with the claim shit plz claim
Honestly, I don't care that much
I'm a Graverobber
Lucian, now claim please
1 down 2 to go
Brand and Ahiri
Lucian, please don't stall
He didnt stall
He said it clearly
Only claim if 3 of that people claim
So are Vi then to Poppy
I think it's fair to get in turns
That's a huge condition
You can't demand 3v1
Everyone just claim
But i dont trust those guys
Yes, doesn't stop you from claiming
But then state why the hell you trust Vi, for no apparent reason
We need to establish trust
by claiming after each other?
Ahiri and Brand need to claim
I think because I opposed the #iclaim?
Just make it simple all just claim
they will run out of roles to claim and i know they will show their tail
I think so too
People say everyone else to claim but they wont claim is sus AF
Orianna, have you claimed a role?
Zilean, may I ask you for your role?
I will go wit Lucian's condition too
Zilean is a reviver
Poppy, what about your role?
Can someone be a bit more grown up?
lol you said dont wait and you wait for Vi? xD
THINK ABOUT IT
SOME ROLES CAN CONFIRM OTHER PEOPLE'S VISIT PATTERNS, SO THEY WANT TO MAKE THEM CLAIM FIRST
Poppy is triggered
OK Stalker, N1 visited Vi.
Lucian, is it relevant for your claim to wait for a person?
Vi, your turn.
Yes, I'm triggered - because now Vi can adapt her claim accordingly.
thanks Poppy, I trust you
So that's why Poppy want Vi to claim
I really wished people would think about this more from a strategic perspective instead of a power-and-conflict mindset
But but but only till Brand and Ahiri
Zilean votes to lynch Brand
I hate saying without doing anything
I dont like who started a claim without claiming
Will remove when he claim
Orianna votes to lynch Brand
So I, Poppy, Kassadin and So mean have claimed so far
and so mean?
Perhaps we should now focus one thing at a time?
Let's focus on Vi.
Yes, Vi is here
Sona votes to lynch Vi
Brand might not be here
Vi idnt talk
Lucian, your condition is outlandish
for a while...
She was here a second ago
3 of us want the same condition
so fair enough
I think that you're evil, together with Orianna
how bout Vi? xD
Maybe not the same team
i will wait for 1 more hour
meet you till then
Okay, who did I visit
Can I say?
Depending on your role, it may expose them.
I mean, worst case here is that I force the ML and their first Mason recruit out in the open ;)
Best case is that I found a VM plus recruit, but that means one ML must have died?
Which is also good because then the other ML would know about a VM. But that didn't happen, so probably not.
I'll wait for your confirmation Vi
then I'll confirm your visit
Maybe Vi says her role first?
That sounds fair
Do you agree, Vi?
(meanwhile: I didn't see Kassadin's role claim, I skimmed over their text but didn't see it. Only some hints?)
Vi, your absence at this moment is remarkable. Can you come over and talk to us for a second?
I hope she comes back
And Lucian, you're up in half an hour
Vi and Lucian are on top of my Liat of suspicion
followed by Brand and Ahri
The only explanation for Vi being evil and having 2 deaths N1 is that a ML made a VM-recruit, though. Which is a good trade-off if the other ML would give us a VM at least (and we'd hope it was a VM who didn't recruit yet).
So Vi, although being shady, doesn't seem likely to be evil. She's not coven, because then she could only be Alch (based on visit) and the person who she visited already spoke today and didn't announce purge.
If she's Fam and doesn't want to say something about her (old) role, a ML must have died because of bad recruit. If she's Vamp, a ML must have died because of bad recruit. If she's Alch and tried to purge somebody who hasn't been purged, I conclude that Vi's target is VM or Fam. Coven would want to keep this info for themselves, since they need the threat of VMs at least at the start? I don't know. I wouldn't know eaxctly what to do as Coven in this game...
So what should we do now?
There's little that we can do in a silent village. We can't lynch *everybody*
I'll un-pile my vote for now
Poppy votes to lynch Orianna
If anyone's here, please talk
You are most welcome
I currently disagree with claims, I'll claim when I see that enough people have claimed OR when I see one specific role being claimed
hey hey hey
Lucian, you should keep to your promise and claim your role now :)
you can't just go hey hey hey and disagree to disagree no no no I'll scream the same thing until I get what I want everytime someone disagrees with your plan
Brand didnt claim
You said you'd come back and claim
the heyheyhey was for lucian
still the same, you're desperately trying to push him while clearly his requested condition hasn't been fulfilled
Well, you can request conditions that won't be met.
I can request a whole lot of things
the way i see It, he could just say that he won't claim
His condition might not be fulfilled because of timezones
2 stalkers, a Gravedigger and a reviver claimed
There's no going back
Yep, don't leave us out in the open
you can take responsibility for your own claim instead of waiting for another
there are moments when it's strategic, as was the case for me with Vi, but otherwise there's no good reason
It's not like we've forgotten about Brand and Ahri
At least I too find them suspicious
But you are giving them even more power if you wait for them
i am a ML
Orianna is my friend in the house
so if i died or missing she will inform you guys
I knew you were a team xD
but i will keep my vote :D
I also have a mysterious friend wich will come out when they want
So you claim PM?
Hey Vi, want to claim?
Dont claim Vi
Both MLs used 1 recruit on the same person, now each have 1 left
So alchemist, we welcome you
To visit us
We are sure to recruit 2 more tonight
Vamp recruit will be a waste on us, since we can talk at night
i see what are you saying
I think me and Lucian will shut up, so is Ori
We'll talk at night
So 2MLs are alive, you guys can discuss
Both vamps killed last night
Poppy it is time to spill your role
you are a stalker
Wow, that's unfortunate Mason action there
So it's time I say who was visited
And I see Orianna is also expressing their curiosity
and I see that I voted for Orianna
If both VMs killed, we should put more effort into the role call
we might lynch a VM today
lucian, I don't feel like claiming, can you recruit me tonight and let vi have a free-willed recruit?
Let's all claim
MLS are out
can't get any more exposed than this
Go for it, Varus. Spill those beans
you can't control me, unless you vamp recruit me
Ah come on
clearly, coven would wanna side with us to get rid of vamps first
if vamps recruit the masons, the fams will be exposed
if vamps kill the masons, they'll slow themselves down
so I think my point of view here is reasonable enough
So state your plan, exactly?
the ML sees me successfully recruited, I become verified and immune to recruits (because I'll just die easily, not worth the recruit for vamps), despite not knowing my role, you get another confirmed village member anyway
also, I already said on what condition I would claim
and I'll do it when I think it's met, no need to remind me
That does not make any sense to me unless you're the PM.
Can we kill Brand?
if lucian recruits me, you know, he can just call me out if I am a coven
Yes, but seriously what did VARUS just imply?
that I disagree with early role claim
and that I demanded a mason recruit, even before the claim shenanigan happened
I don't see why the Masons should recruit you when you are basically dead
those are the only two things I wanted to say today
Varus have a good point
i belive him
I'll just leave it as that
lucian, tell me whether you want me to move my asv to help pressuring brand before I leave
Help me kill Brand
Varus votes to lynch Brand
I said at the beginning of the day that I think early lynches are appropriate for two VMs setup
so, happy to help
come out Ahri and claim
we have cookies
I hope yuo die, then I could get your role + we can revive you
Sona, can you give me an overview of all claims so far?
Kassadin - Stalker
Poppy - Stalker
Sona - Gracerobber
Lucian - ML
Vi - ML
Orianna - ? recruited
Zilean - Reviver
Did I forget someone?
Not that I know of
I have four votes
OK, Orianna needn't claim at the moment if their info is safe in the Masons? We do need it to be shared before the info is lost
Anyone want to explain why
People want you to claim
She should claim if there's a contradiction
All I got from the chat was Lucian shouting my name a lot
You were one of the first people saying we should role claim
we got somewhere with that already
Poppy, but why do I have votes on me?
now we need your role
Couldn't they have just asked me?
I can't speak for them, I can't look into their minds...
Like, I don't understand why the votes are there
You weren't here?!
But anyway, I think that once you claim all is cleared
Sure, I'm a reviver
I was all in favour of the role claim
Sona, is that a question?
So we're at 2/2 revivers
Let's continue with role call
And pressure a silent
Poppy votes to lynch Veigar
I've chosen Veigar for this
So, you're saying I have the majority vote because I wasn't here?
Sona votes to lynch Veigar
checking in the morning, greeting, then being absent
That doesn't seem a very conducive way of organising a village
Kassadin votes to lynch Veigar
@Brand: I'm not sure what was happening, but I think you needn't get worked up over it. People will surely move their vote off of you.
I'm not worked up, I just want to point out that people didn't think about their actions
Kassadin, please speak up once your stalk get's relevant (obvious, isn't it?)
They voted because someone (I assume Lucian) suggested that they should and they followed like sheep
I don't think sheep is what this village needs today
They were angry that you weren't here to claim when the rolecall started
We need a bunch of people who think for themselves not just going along with the loudest voice
Sona, um, sorry for having a job?
It was them *points fingers*
It's not like we agreed a time on it or anything
Anyway, now I need to go and conserve my phone battery
calm down, it's no big deal
Have fun people
Sorry if you're already calm
ok first to be clear, I didn't start "the claim", I wanted people to commit to claim when there're enough people also commit, that's a bit difference
Varus Mon 14:31 I currently disagree with claims, I'll claim when I see that enough people have claimed
@Varus " I'll claim when I see that enough people have claimed" ==> that's the whole purpose of the #iclaim thing
Yes, I know, Ahri
doesn't matter now
that does matter
yes now there're many ppl have claimed so just push it agressively
2/2 Revicers 2/3Stalkers 1/1 Graverpbber
2/2 Mason Leaders
I remember someone said he would claim after I claim
Lucian, Vi and Orianna said so, but they claimed already
(Mason Leader, Mason Leader, and recruit) respectively
so we need to move votes to pressure someone silent
and hasn't claimed
do we have any info about Veigar?
Ahri votes to lynch Veigar
so many silent ppl in this large game
showed up at the start of the day, we might not see him again today
Corki is the same
I'm thinking about shooting someone silent tonight
The people that talked d1 are Lux, Jhin, Teemo, Kassadin, TwistedState and Maokai
And Teemo talked a lot
Maokai had 2 lines: Maokai Sun 19:13 Supp ma dudes Sun 19:13 I approve this theme
so not that prominen @Kassadin
teemo is probably not coven, as they generally try to stay down
but Teemo hasn't shown up today, that's strange
imE being talkative at the start and hen going silent is a sign of evil, but that could of course be some RL stuff
so let's see whether he comes online in the evening
EVERYONE WHO'S READING THIS, CLAIM IF YOU HAVEN'T, OR I WILL SHOOT ONE OF YOU
sometimes it's just personal reasons, but we cannot know
more of the times it's intentional than unintentional
The time investment of playing evil is higher
So we trigger all actions tonight to avoid the Alchemists?
and evils usually are more cautious of any actions and words they take
are we doing role-calling in D2?
I need to read back
yes, many ppl have claimed
Can I have a list?
pls do it quick and be sure to come back
yes a bit above here
it's too much to read. sorry
I will paste here
Kassadin - Stalker Poppy - Stalker Mon 15:43 Sona - Gracerobber Mon 15:43 Lucian - ML Mon 15:43 Vi - ML Mon 15:44 Orianna - ? recruited
Ahri (me) Militia
So we have 3 in Masons, right?
I like your Avatar
2 masons leader, and one recruited
can you claim now?
I think Orianna shouldn't claim
in this closed set-up, as long as Orianna's lit, she didn't need to claim
It's an open setup
this is open setup
Moderator Sun 17:58 There are: 1 Seer, 1 Protector, 2 Gravediggers, 1 Graverobber, 2 Revivers, 3 Stalkers, 2 Militia, 2 MasonLeaders, 1 Djinn, 3 Alchemists, 1 Puppetmaster and 2 VampireMasters.
but I agree that Orianna can stay unclaimed for now, to catch the liars
Actually my role isn't too important to lay low
I'm a GD
ok first GD
Very bored last night
Who did you dig?
It's D2, Sona
= just kidding
he dug gold
And actually I wasn't here last night
In the GY there's only metan
By somehow I didn't got a noti that game started
Can sb explain about VM pls
Luckily he didnt hit 1 or his face would burned off
how many recruitments do they have?
In the GY there's only Sodium and Chloride
I thought in the GY there's Phosphorus
Sodium and Chlorine?
ok stop the chemical here
VM and Alchemist aren't in h2p
Whatever, I just wanted to say salt
VM can recruit up to 3 familiars
familiars is random from Familiar (GD), Familiar (Militia) and Familiar (stalker)
if a VM was killed, he will be automatically revived into his fam's body, right?
yes automatically, starting from the first familiar he recruited
I think there are metan too
from the dead bodies produce
It sometime will get lit and create will-o'-the-wisp
stop the chemical stuff pls? xD
alchemist is in H2p
you can check
I think I need to repeat this frequently
EVERYONE WHO'S READING THIS, CLAIM IF YOU HAVEN'T, OR I WILL SHOOT ONE OF YOU
I swear I didn't know mod updated Alchemist in h2p
there're many evils in this game so I think there's a good chance to hit an evil
although having a risk hitting the roles left
but many important roles are outed
Omg why am I having 4 votes?
Lucian, you still here?
and this will help pushing more role calls, so I WILL SHOOT SOMEONE UNCLAIMED TONIGHT
I will announce who I will shoot before end of the day
I still think that you are feigning ignorance xD
so if he's not dead everyone will know he's VM
or maybe newly recruited familiar
Ori is here
You're my main
Vi's such a creepy lurker
Ok sorry maddam
Ahri votes to lynch Warwick
(I hope I don't get killed for this)
So I still have four votes
So we have Lux who spoke day 1
Anyone fancy maybe taking one or two off me?
I think we should push her
Veigar and Brand have claimed, let's move our votes from them pls
to the next ones
Oh, I voted already :|
Sona votes to lynch Warwick
People seem to forget there are puppets around
doesn't matter if the votes are not too close
The positive binch in LOL, "Illuminate the enemies" she said
Brand votes to lynch Warwick
Why not Luxx
Ahri, it matters to me if I'm the one with all the votes on me
Orianna, please consider moving your vote
I will think
@Vi why Lux? it's ok but basically they're the same to me
Becuase Lux spoke day 1
She will be active
Sona votes to lynch Lux
When we don't know if warwick will be active or not
I have to go
who should i vote?
Ahri votes to lynch Lux
I'm not going back
Maybe we can balance in the end
Just one, pls
You said you'd move your vote when I claimed
So why do you now say "you'll think about it"
balance + puppet = dead
then make it Luxxxxx
Ori's lit, right?
Veigar votes to lynch Lux
Ok, hope to see you guys tmr
maybe Ori has some intel we don't know?
but I cannot think what could make him think with this
Lucian and Ori seem to have it in for me #paranoid
If it's enough to lynch someone, she should tell us
I think "the purge" will happen tonight
yes, I don't get what more he's thinking
is there anything can prevent the purge?
prot's protection also can't right?
I want to be militia *cries*
Lucian [Mon 15:31] Can we kill Brand?
i remember there's no militia in the purge result list
there is more chance Warwick is coven than they are village, right?
Poppy votes to lynch Warwick
(Lux, by the way, votes were there for pressure - we need to give people incentive to claim)
I suggest we pressure Warwick
Or don't we?
He may be coven, but then again - we're really looking for VM
by the way, did Kassadin state their check? we'd need it out there before they die, I guess
No they didn't
Lux votes to lynch Brand
Balance for myself
Will you be online later?
Yes. Im reading today's chat
Sona, in the meantime
what do you think we should do now?
Lynch someone inactive and let the Militias shoot inactive ppl
What do you think about Warwick as target?
non-visitor is not a Prot/Seer at least
But certainly not VM
okay, another one thne
Kassadin think that Maokai is coven ... should we revive/rob him?
Poppy votes to lynch Karthus
(I choose Karthus as the victim)
mmz, perhaps not
if we suspect coven, that is
after 174, VMs would try to recruit N1, you'd say... so that would correspond with deaths on the coven side because of failed recruits
on the other hand, group is large enough that you can probably elude a check
would anyone risk it?
If you rob a coven and we revive the same coven we're going to need to spend resources on getting rid of you
resources we probably don't want to spend
7/23 were coven ... the chances are not that high that both Vampire Master hit coven
TWM you forget you're in an active game and everyone is practically screming when you show up...
Hey guys. Apologies for my lateness. Super busy day. Leaving an asv for now and Ill catch up reading soon
D2 full role call is entirely stupid
Teemo votes to lynch Poppy
I only skimmed because there was literally a novella to read
I am GD
^^ about the novel lol
Can anyone post a compreensive claim list?
Poppy just showed the list, you can see it by scroll up a little bit
I see it, thanks
Hmm there is something so wrong with the chat today
Treemo, please claim
We're getting into conflict territpry
I think the chance of both ML recruiting same target is low, but Lucian claimed first and Poppy confirmed Vi
"Claimed first" is NOT a reliable confirmation
The masonleaders can communicate at night
Yea just talking about probability
Again, sorry for the skim, but did they confirm each other?
Okay, then it doesn't matter
Really? Didnt know that
I learned today
Yep, it becomes a big old mason family
So anyone who claims to be recruited can be confirmed by a lot of people, and if anyone is recruited, that can be confirmed by them missing from mason chat
if anyone is recruited by vamp*
Please don't grave rob tonight. I will find out first who is in there.
You're a gravedigger?
If any GDs die, rob them, the role is important for this game
I think I should coordinate with Veigar...
So veig or Jhin is lying
I think it's Jhin
btw I really don't like the threats made against people with no role claim as yet.
I don't like how he slips in that he's GD
" I will find out first who is in there"
I can see the argument about VMs being important and I've never played in such a setup before, but...
Hilarious if Jhin id Djinn
I had wanted to stay quiet until I had in fact found a Djinn in GY.
And who is that?
Because while the Djinn is alive I really don't think many of my findings will be worth much.
Jhin, you're really not looking so good right now
Sona, sorry for sounding sus to you.
Like I said, I have struggled with the whole role call thing.
So, do all 3 of us dig the same target and reveal at the same time?
Twistedfate votes to lynch Jhin
What, who is the 3rd GD claimant?
Hi guys. Really busy today, so i will just say that im a Militia. I dont agree with the full reveal D2 though
ok, let me update the list of claims
we'll need your kill
we're going to spend resources instead of getting purged
Warwick - ?
Brand - Reviver
Karthus - Militia
Looks like Jhin missed my claim and went for an empty slot
Lux - Stalker
Poppy - Stalker
Corki - ?
Ezreal - ?
Lissandra - ?
Jhin - GD
Ahri - Militia
Sona - GR
Varus - ?
Lucian - ML
Vi - ML
Viktor - ?
Orianna - ?
@Twisted, I did miss your claim indeed.
Teemo - ?
Veigar - GD
Twisted - GD
It makes me realise something you or sb else said...
Zilean - Reviver
First claimed (in this case, Veigar) does not constitute reliability.
Agreed, which is why I suggest we all dig the same target and reveal at the same time tomorrow
To me it is obvious you or Veig are lying. I am not going to let you know who I dig tonight, we'll see tomorrow provided we all survive.
Then you look sus af
And we really cant do that on the internet lmao
If we all dig the same person, 2 of us will get the same result, and the other won't
But we want information about both deaths
Can't do what?
You cant just count 123 and reveal at the same time
That depends when the liar reveals
You can, Karthus
THE SAME TIME
Yes, you can
Coordinate a time for everyone to be here
show up at said time
have a 3rd party count
Idk if it was me all i need is fast typing
3rd party says 3
OK with hitting return
then all hit enter
It should be immediate
but does that mean that with all 3 results the same the last one is the liar?
They'd need time to type, so a lag of significant amount is clear
I mean, are you joking?
Pretty sure you're evil
I have never done this before.
Can one get away with bad internet xD
But it doesn't take a long time to type, say "Seer" or "Alch"
The 3 who have claimed have shown to have perfectly good internet
Okay cool. TIL something
it'll show up significantly later than the lit digs
So when can we all be here?
I generally get here later than most
So you can't be here at daystart?
10:30 game time for me.
and veig isn't here now, so someone early will have to let them know the plan
We need you as early as possible
Um, not unless I don't go to sleep until 2am
That fun TZ stuff
@GDs when's the earliest you can be here?
Everyone state their time
Argh im really sleepy rn, can someone move 1 vote away from me so i can drop my vote in an asv
So are we going to dig Maokai then?
Sona votes to lynch Lissandra
Jhin, when's the earliest you can be here?
I can be here around 15:00 game time, I think
Jhin Mon 19:11 10:30 game time for me.
Is 15:00 fine for you?
Or, I can do a one time thing to stay up until day start to confirm myself
I can't do start of the day.
You can't get here earlier than 10:30 am?
Ican be here at that time, obviously, but I don't know about veig
I can do 15:00 hrs and most times from 10:30
So can you both do 10:30?
so let's shoot for 15:00, but if veig isn't here, what do we do?
10:30 game time?
That's like 4am
Veigar was there at daystart
so we can talk with him then
wistedfate Mon 19:17 so let's shoot for 15:00, but if veig isn't here, what do we do? Mon 19:17 10:30 game time?
Veigar will be there
That does not make any sense
If he isn't there at 15:00 hrs
Right now it's 19:18 game time
we can't time travel back to 10:30 hrs
We're wasting time here
No, I was asking a question, Jhin. . .
i think we dont really need veigar
Sona asked me if I can be here at 10:30
if you all can gather at the same time
Because it's the earliest I can do.
and prove urselves
Oh my god, never mind
Jhin, you aren't following
I didn't understand what time equals 4 in the morning for you.
It's 12:20 pm for me right now
i mean if everyone can confirm themselves then veigar is evil
or if one of you cant follow the test then veig is lit
I do tend to believe you more than Veig now because of the plan you are making.
Well, that either means I'm dead or turned tomorrow
My only doubt is now that if I get the timing wrong because of a misunderstanding I will be seen as evil.
This is why I double check
When we talk about time, we're talking about the time that's shown next to the player name
especially with so many people talking at the same time.
It's the same for everyone
But when Twisted said 4am
forget about that
Can we meet at 12:00 game time?
Battery going, bear with me...
@Twistedfate please confirm
You're killing me
I get up at that time ;-)
Yeah, I don't get up until I have to
Yes or no, Twistedfate?
BTW this is all getting VERY meta if you ask me...
Yes, but what can you do?
13:30 is as early as I'm willing to get up for a game, and only once
And yes, it's extremely meta
@Jhin can you be there?
but most people will know who I am anyway
Well we can decide who is getting lynched tonight, for one.
Still most votes on Brand
so 13:30 it is
but I thought he had redeemed himself?
Jhin, 13:30 tomorrow?
What about Varus?
Is he puppet or PM?
Also, it's balanced between Brand and Lux
just saw you guys need me to claim. I havent read much yet
Im revivier tho
ok, so another conflict
But I suppose it's relatively harmless compared to VM
Not Teemo conflict I mean!
btw Jihn, TF and Sona, since you are all active now, can one of you vote brand please? So i can asv and go to sleep
I have to go, and if I don't make it back by nightfall, I'll be here at 13:30
Can we all vote Lissandra?
Brand claimed, though
Lux votes to lynch Lissandra
Brand and Zilean are claiming reviver too
Twistedfate votes to lynch Lissandra
And Brand was sus at first because refusing to claim and making everybody else claim
Did he refuse, or just go MIA?
still 4 votes on me...
And now he is one of the *three* revivers
He was away ... I don't want him for not being there
Twistedfate votes to lynch Brand
*to lynch him*
Thanks TF <3
The people on Lux aren't here to move
we should lynch someone who was not ready to claim
I mean it does make sense to come out late as a reviver because vulnerable, but...
he should maybe not have urged everyone to come out then?
We are more than 4 people active, we can decide the lynch
Not on a full role reveal day, though
So then we all need to move to liss
Since when do we believe all role claims?
Jhin, move to Liss
Uh, I need to read up but...
Why Liss? tl;dr anybody?
but why hide on a full reveal?
Just to address Jhin and Twisted - I don't think I was "pushing" for a reveal
Brand, Teemo claimed reviver
I wanted one, sure but lemme quote:
I read your bit, Brand, and I don't think it's an issue
Brand [Mon 11:47] We either need decent consent (and maybe those who don't consent are evils?)
30 minutes to nightfall, can we all agree to lynch Liss?
Brand votes to lynch Lissandra
Oh yes I remember now.
Twistedfate votes to lynch Lissandra
Esp Varus is claiming nonsense.
Would like to see one more, since snipe danger
next point of order
OK, we have to lynch.
What did Varus claim?
I haven't had chance to read all the backlog
Should we revive tonight?
He did not claim but demanded an ML recruit.
I say wait for confirmation
oh right, yeah
I saw that
We could have coven in GY
He said he was dangerless
But we only get confirmation on one person
because he would die if recruited by VM
it's too slow
He talked rubbish basically.
But would you rather wait, or accidentally bring coven back?
But he might be a puppet
in any case up to no good
but possibly harmless
The one person dig is just for one night
Also ... coven have no witch, but they do have a Djinn
so they're probably gonna try and mess with the GY or something -_-
Twisted, do we dig Maokai?
I did not see confirmation of that.
Hmm, I'd prefer Graves
Sorry, I know you asked and I got distracted
It was suggested that Maokai might be a Coven recruit
I missed that as well
Jhin votes to lynch Lissandra
But if one of the 3 of us is coven, they'll know the role
Let's go for graves
So 13:30, we come together and reveal
And what do we do if Veigar turns up and claims he checked the other because he didn't see this conversation?
Please, early folks let veig know the plan if possible, so we 3 can be here together
The best we can do is hope it comes together
We have 22 minutes left to do that.
I HAVE TO GO
Prots and stalkers need to be on point, too! 3 stalkers 3 GDs, eh?
Hm, I do worry about these plans to militia-shoot a silent one, or decide a GD claimer is lying based on a plan that can go so easily wrong
1st stalker on the list take veig, second take Jhin, third take me
have we had a seer claim yet?
hmmm, so we could militia shoot the seer :|
The stalkers should do their thing
We could be lynching seer
Inactive, their fault
Chances are that the seer is dead
in that case, we might get m back as well
Sona, low chances imho
I think that the stalkers should just do their thing
Having 3 stalkers on the GDs is a waste of resources
So the plans are
I've got an idea
2 Gravediggers dig Graves
and he third one digs Maokai, but get's stalked
What do you think?
What happens if the two GDs who did Graves disagree?
*sigh* can' leave yet!
I like it. I wanted to dig Maokai anyway
NO, we all 3 have to dig the same person
2 of us have to confirm each other
Also, my stalker plan was mostly a joke, but if any stalkers want to help confirm, great
Let's not have stalkers on us then.
Waste of resources like sb said.
I think stalkers should target the inactives
The stalkers should try to catch the Vampire Master
Ahri votes to lynch Lissandra
Yes re: stalkers
Not meddle in tiny coven affairs
I think the militias should shoot
Varus? I really don't have time for unhelpful rubbish like he spouted
SO THE PLANS ARE:
But then he might be relatively harmless.
GRAVEDIGGERS ALL DIG GRAVES
MILITIAS SHOOT SOMEONE INACTIVE BUT PLEASE ANNOUNCE IT
Announce it now?
STALKERS SEERS - CATCH THE VAMPIRES
or announce it tomorrow?
announce today would be ideal
REVIVERS, GRAVEDIGGER< do nothing
otherwise an evil killing role could claim retrospectively
GRAVEROBBER THAT IS
GRAVEDIGGERS SHOULD DEFINITELY DO SOMETHING
Who are you shooting?
Ahri, please shoot Ezreal
Well I was expecting to quickly check in on a quiet day but there's so much to catch up on -_- And apparently I'm being lynched for some reason - I'll go read now but place a vote in case I don't get through ti all in time
Lissandra votes to lynch Brand
Lissandra, claim role
and we might be able to turn the tide
You better claim
if you don't say it NOW
there's no chance
(we're doing full role claim today, that's why)
Actually, I don't agree
Changing stuff 10 Minutes to nightfall is a bad idea
Well, I might change it. Lissandra, please speak up
Oh Graverobber but it looks like people have made their mind up about me for some reason, any idea why?
I still sus the late-active ppl a bit, but let them be verified tmr
Poppy votes to lynch Lissandra
Early claim doesn't mean Sona's valid though, not necessarily
fucking online in the last minutes
Has someone already claimed Graverobber then?
Question: should GDs check the lynch instead?
Yes, the real graverobber
I suggest GDs check it out
Well I guess it's my fault for being busy at work, Sona appears to have beat me to it
more than 1 at least
Nah, it's a waste
Probably not much point reviving me since you can use Gravediggers to find the roles that will be useful
Now this is where these beautiful plans to confirm GDs fall apart...
I think that we can catch evil ppl by digging graves' rike
And obviously Sora should by lynched too
Liss, you look like lurking and only come out in the last minute when you see you're in danger
I can't help being held back at work, but I see how it looks
ok, everyone silent, the plans are:
GRAVEDIGGERS ALL DIG GRAVES
My role isn't that helpful anyway, so I'm not that bothered, just please don't trust Sora
AHRI SHOOTS CORKI
KARTHUS SHOOTS EZREAL
STALKERS & SEERS PLEASE FIND US THE VAMPS :P
Looks like Sora's been leading the game from this little snippet I've seen too
REVIVERS, GRAVEROBBER, do nothing
I will check back on the game in case someone does revive me, but I would suggest reviving someone with a more useful role
I prefer shooting Warwick, at least he did nothing, he's not seer or prot
Can GD steal Alchemist?
Quick scan shows a lot of last minute voting on me too, should watch those votes
quick scan shows a lot of last minute online ppl
Has there been any other clashing role claims? Militia might be better saved for some of those
I thought we could get away with a guilt-free GR check on one of the dead :(