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Corki Mon 08:02

hi
Jhin Mon 08:14

Morning.
Kassadin Mon 08:16

Hello
Veigar Mon 08:17

Good morning everyone
Kassadin Mon 08:18

Can we agree that Maokai was killed for approving LoL? So LoL is bad kids ok?
Ahri Mon 08:32

well 2 kills, so looks like both VMs haven't recruited yet?
Mon 08:32

or maybe ML fails to recruit
Varus Mon 08:36

I demand a mason recruit 2nite
Sona Mon 08:36

What happens if you're recruited by two masons?
Varus Mon 08:37

I become god?
Sona Mon 08:37

I think that the chance that a Mason Leader hits a Vampire Master is quite low
Kassadin Mon 08:37

why?
Sona Mon 08:37

(No math pleeease)
Kassadin Mon 08:37

And why would 2 mason leaders recruit the same person?
Varus Mon 08:37

Do vamp kill if he recruit cov?
Kassadin Mon 08:38

yes
Mon 08:38

all evil
Sona Mon 08:38

What if Varus's is a Vampire Master?
Kassadin Mon 08:38

he becomes god
Mon 08:38

well he kinda already would be god.
Varus Mon 08:38

mason recruit me to prove it
Moderator Mon 08:38

Kassadin votes to lynch Varus
Kassadin Mon 08:39

Cool down.
Varus Mon 08:39

grant me some juicy nite chat
Sona Mon 08:39

You're trying to waste our Mason Leaders, admit it xD
Kassadin Mon 08:39

he's attention whoring worse than Trump.
Moderator Mon 08:39

Varus votes to lynch Lucian
Varus Mon 08:39

asv
Kassadin Mon 08:40

Next he'll tell us he got the best checks.
Mon 08:40

I for once welcome our new vampire overlords
Sona Mon 08:40

Qit h a net wo erg of over 10B Dollars
Mon 08:41

Uhm.... my cat
Kassadin Mon 08:41

My blood is tasty and my soul is willing.
Varus Mon 08:41

quiet nites are boring
Kassadin Mon 08:43

I can foresee Varus fate already
Mon 08:43

N2: Purged, Recruited by Mason, recruited by Vamp, becomes GD.
Mon 08:43

visited by all the roles
Varus Mon 08:44

yeh, gimmie some interesting nite
Kassadin Mon 08:44

N3: shot by militia
Mon 08:44

sry your story ends there.
Varus Mon 08:45

doubt militia would just shoot someone for being awesome and partying
Mon 08:46

seriously tho, I wouldn't have asked for mason recruit if I weren't worth it
Mon 08:46

watch me get djinn swapped
Kassadin Mon 08:46

I wouldn't have asked for a vamp recruit if I weren't worth it.
Mon 08:47

watch me get seer checked
Varus Mon 08:47

I think we should lynch since two vamps technically have eight lives
Sona Mon 08:48

The alchemists are a pretty good reason to not say what Varus said
Kassadin Mon 08:48

I agree sona. And seers are a good reason to not say what I said.
Mon 08:48

I'm thinking about a day 2 role call...
Mon 08:49

because:
Mon 08:49

They may take away our ROLES, but they'll never take our FREEEEEEDOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!
Mon 08:50

also bonus fact.
Mon 08:50

if we get ppl. to claim now, recruited people will struggle with their claims
Varus Mon 08:50

claiming revivers might be an equivalent to villager in this setup
Kassadin Mon 08:50

Like if I claim MIlitia now, and then I get recruited and become fam stalker, how the fuck do I shoot someone
Mon 08:51

or with 3 stalkers now, if all reveal, and one becomes GD after vamp recruit. Tough luck
Varus Mon 08:51

the vamp shoots for you, obviously
Kassadin Mon 08:51

that's not a bonus kill
Mon 08:51

people will notice
Varus Mon 08:51

say that vamp recruited?
Mon 08:51

protection?
Ahri Mon 08:51

can VM choose which type the familiar would their recruit become?
Kassadin Mon 08:52

no
Varus Mon 08:52

no
Kassadin Mon 08:52

it's random
Ahri Mon 08:52

ok
Kassadin Mon 08:52

ps. Vamps don't recruit me. I can't bear the stress.
Varus Mon 08:53

if mason recruits me, you see, I'll struggle when vamp recruits me
Kassadin Mon 08:53

Why do I never hear the cheering and stuff when I suggest a Day 2 rolecall?
Ahri Mon 08:53

total role call D2, maybe a bit crazy, but may be good idea to counter the mass-recruitments
Varus Mon 08:54

vamp got eight, coven got five plus puppets, I think we should just d2 lynch
Kassadin Mon 08:54

I honestly think town is fucked this game.
Ahri Mon 08:54

shall we just signal that who wants to join, then wait if there're enough ppl that joins the role call then all reveal?
Kassadin Mon 08:54

that's why I go for the crazy play.
Varus Mon 08:55

we got plenty diggers
Kassadin Mon 08:55

yo fuck Diggers
Mon 08:55

diggers don't catch shit
Mon 08:55

every time I'm wolf I just ignore them mostly.
Sona Mon 08:55

We need to get the evils to target each other
Kassadin Mon 08:55

you wanna ask them Nicely Sona?
Mon 08:56

"pretty please"
Sona Mon 08:56

Moderator Sun 17:58 There are: 1 Seer, 1 Protector, 2 Gravediggers, 1 Graverobber, 2 Revivers, 3 Stalkers, 2 Militia, 2 MasonLeaders, 1 Djinn, 3 Alchemists, 1 Puppetmaster and 2 VampireMasters.
Mon 08:56

Why not?
Kassadin Mon 08:57

well VM's could wipe out coven
Mon 08:57

still 2 vm's
Varus Mon 08:57

vamps do wanna kill each other
Sona Mon 08:57

the Vampire Masters alao play against each other
Kassadin Mon 08:58

yeah but everyone else gets thrown under the bus
Sona Mon 08:58

How do the Alchemist interact with the Vampires/Familiars?
Kassadin Mon 08:58

I think super early role claim is THE way to bust vm's
Varus Mon 08:58

so, in conclusion, mason recruit me, bye
Kassadin Mon 08:59

No idea, never happened before
Ahri Mon 08:59

anyone minds me? The total role call is only effective if there're many enough ppl join, but ppl hesitate to start first
Kassadin Mon 08:59

can we just lynch Varus
Mon 08:59

he pisses me off.
Ahri Mon 08:59

so how about those who want to join role call just signal that he wants to join
Mon 08:59

then if enough ppl signal, all claim
Varus Mon 08:59

fams and vamps are immune to alchs
Kassadin Mon 09:00

hey you finally said something which didn't include the words "recruit" or "mason", maybe you're not that annoying after all
Sona Mon 09:01

I don't think that we'll catch the Alchemist in an early rolecall
Kassadin Mon 09:01

Look Mason is like Dating, you don't approach a girl and say "marry me, I got a big D* and I'm wealthy"
Mon 09:01

well you maybe do, but then... oh well
Mon 09:01

FML I suck at dating.
Sona Mon 09:01

There are Coven and Puppets to consider- and players that don't show up
Kassadin Mon 09:02

well then we start with the people not showing up.
Sona Mon 09:02

I don't think that we'll catch the Vampire Master is an early rolecall
Kassadin Mon 09:02

easy enough
Mon 09:03

It's not about catching a VM, it's about catching future fams
Mon 09:03

because their roles change
Mon 09:03

if you're GD, you get recruited and you become fam milita, gooooood luck giving those GD checks
Mon 09:04

Honestly I think this game is lost if we just sit here today
Sona Mon 09:04

Don't we expose ourselves?
Ahri Mon 09:06

there would be fams that will then shout out like "hey alchemist has reset my role" but we can still narrow down the list
Kassadin Mon 09:06

At the moment it's 14 Village vs 4+2 coven vs 2 VM. Tomorrow if could be 12 vs 10 and so on.
Mon 09:06

also alchs are fucked at roleclaiming
Mon 09:06

what the heck you claim as alc?
Mon 09:07

you don't even know what you become
Mon 09:07

good luck with that.
Sona Mon 09:07

Familiars losing their abilities will claim to have been purged
Ahri Mon 09:07

i've just realized that there're 3 alchemists :(
Kassadin Mon 09:07

I already said goodbye to my role. But idgaf, I wanna win this game by having a plan.
Mon 09:09

we need a plan vs 2 vm's else we're done.
Mon 09:14

Also some note of caution for a GR. Alchemist is one of the few coven roles you can actually rob.
Mon 09:16

So if you wanna end up in some weird witch circle good luck with that. I don't think you want to be coven this round.
Ahri Mon 09:17

the current rate is 13 village vs 8 evils
Kassadin Mon 09:17

13?
Mon 09:17

did I misscount?
Ahri Mon 09:17

21-8?
Mon 09:18

if no coven was killed last night
Kassadin Mon 09:18

oh i see
Ahri Mon 09:18

so with VM recruits, village will quickly lose just by being outnumbered
Kassadin Mon 09:18

my point :)
Mon 09:18

we need to do something fast.
Ahri Mon 09:19

ok then just push the total role call
Mon 09:19

signal the #iclaim if you want to join
Kassadin Mon 09:19

oh hashtags!
Ahri Mon 09:20

and remember to check back at least before today ends
Kassadin Mon 09:20

I just hope I wont get a shitstorm afterwards :D
Ahri Mon 09:20

you'll get shits anw in this game :D
Mon 09:20

#iclaim
Kassadin Mon 09:20

I think if we get about half of the claims stuff is good. rest can just f off, or be lynched, or have some solid evidence for your claim.
Ahri Mon 09:20

let's do something crazy
Kassadin Mon 09:21

#iclaim #blacklivesmatter #feminism
Mon 09:21

oh boy how got the last two tags in there?
Sona Mon 09:26

If we reveal the roles, Vampires will recruit villagers and kill coven
Kassadin Mon 09:27

so, what does change compared to the current situation?
Mon 09:27

you're aware that exactly this happens anyway?
Mon 09:27

Since you can't recruit coven they die
Mon 09:29

So I think there is already a high chance one of the dudes in the grave is actually coven.
Mon 09:29

after 174, I'm doubt anyone wants to pull of a SoFasttt VM here.
Sona Mon 09:30

They would be more likely to recruit covens
Kassadin Mon 09:30

would they?
Mon 09:30

So you assume no coven will claim anything?
Sona Mon 09:31

I assume that it will be easier to distinguish coven from Villager
Kassadin Mon 09:32

what annoys me a bit about this setup is that coven is 100% useless vs a VM
Mon 09:33

Djinn: who gives a shit, Witch: useless, Alchemist: useless, Shaman: useless, Succu: useless, PM: useless
Mon 09:34

Coven in this game can only mess up village.
Moderator Mon 09:34

Kassadin votes to lynch Lucian
Sona Mon 09:34

Pm is as usefell as he's normally
Kassadin Mon 09:34

yeah true
Sona Mon 09:35

I wonder if the coven should weaken the village
Kassadin Mon 09:35

But you get my point right?
Mon 09:36

I also agree with your concerns about an early role claim. But I would like to hear an alternative from you.
Sona Mon 09:36

good news, we don't have to lynch Familiars
Kassadin Mon 09:36

?
Sona Mon 09:36

We can have the other Vamp kill them
Kassadin Mon 09:36

So which vamp team are you?
Mon 09:36

Red or Blue?
Mon 09:37

I mean, it's rly rly cool that vamps kill each others fams, but how does this make village win this round?
Sona Mon 09:37

Wolf or Mason?
Kassadin Mon 09:37

Wolf?
Sona Mon 09:38

Nvm
Kassadin Mon 09:38

I mean your point is like two different Alien factions invading earth and you say "cool aliens will kill aliens"
Mon 09:39

yeah right they do, but on a sidenote they just fking wreck humanity.
Sona Mon 09:39

pretty much
Mon 09:40

So you're saying the faster we eliminate the Vampires, the better our chances
Kassadin Mon 09:42

No but I see familiars as infected humans. And I try to detected when they are infected
Mon 09:43

for me the only big weakness about vm recruits is that they have a random chance for 3 roles
Mon 09:43

all 3 roles are in the game too.
Mon 09:43

So when we don't claim early those later claims will blend in
Mon 09:43

and we have no chance of catching them
Mon 09:44

If I'm Militia now, I get recruited tonight, there's a roleclaim day 4, nobody will ever know I was actually Militia and not GD.
Sona Mon 09:45

Another thing to consider is the lack of Protection
Kassadin Mon 09:45

but if I claim militia now, and I'm asked to shoot ... Twisted day 4, and I can't shoot him stuff gets more complicated for vamps.
Sona Mon 09:45

We can be certain that we won't get more than 2 Seer results this way
Kassadin Mon 09:46

seer results mean shit this game
Mon 09:46

I get seer checked n2, recruited n3
Mon 09:46

GG
Sona Mon 09:46

Shit or everything?
Kassadin Mon 09:46

they are pretty much useless in the long run
Sona Mon 09:47

They are still nice to have
Kassadin Mon 09:47

why?
Mon 09:47

If they hit a VM, yay? I guess
Mon 09:47

if they hit anything else well...
Mon 09:47

they get a cookie
Sona Mon 09:47

Because they can tell us who Vampires and Familiars and coven and village are?
Kassadin Mon 09:48

AT THIS MOMENT
Mon 09:48

the whole point about familiars is that they change faction later
Sona Mon 09:49

So the seer is useful later in the game
Kassadin Mon 09:49

No
Mon 09:49

because 1) he wont make it that long, 2) he can be recruited too, 3) he can be purged, 4) he can be militia shot by fam
Mon 09:50

Ok I'll make a list of what I think can win us this game:
Sona Mon 09:50

But the MLs are replacement Seers?
Kassadin Mon 09:50

let me finish
Mon 09:50

1) Masons, we need tons of them, we need all of them.
Mon 09:51

2) very early claims, if we got by the kills nobody got recruited yet. IT'S THE CHANCE
Mon 09:53

If an ML died tonight the other ML should know and consider outing himself today. Because chances are high to catch a VM Day 2.
Mon 09:54

an ML Day 2 for 1 of the two killing roles this game would be a jackpot for us.
Sona Mon 09:54

But the Mod won't get another recruit
Kassadin Mon 09:54

?
Mon 09:55

Mod?
Sona Mon 09:55

How does one ML know whether the second one died?
Mon 09:55

ML
Kassadin Mon 09:55

because they talk to each other?
Sona Mon 09:55

Really?
Kassadin Mon 09:56

there's only 1 mason
Mon 09:56

Trust me.
Sona Mon 09:56

I thought they had 2 independent chats
Kassadin Mon 09:56

nope.
Mon 09:56

you got one mason chat, with all the masons in it.
Mon 09:57

I'm like 75% that Maokai was coven
Mon 09:57

he talked day 1, and then died
Mon 09:58

people like to recruit ppl. who talk day 1 since you want a recruit fast, but if the guy gets smited gg.
Sona Mon 09:58

How does that make him coven?
Kassadin Mon 09:58

I just said it.
Mon 09:58

Coven die if VM wants to recruit them.
Mon 09:59

I see almost no way a VM wouldn't want to recruit n1
Sona Mon 09:59

He wasn't the only on e who talked, so 75% seems like an overestimate
Kassadin Mon 09:59

he's dead.
Sona Mon 09:59

He could be village?!
Kassadin Mon 10:00

We got two vamps who want to recruit night 1.
Mon 10:00

because you want to recruit night 1
Mon 10:00

if you want to win.
Mon 10:00

We got two dead
Sona Mon 10:01

You're right, I'm making no sense xD
Kassadin Mon 10:01

Nah. It's fine.
Sona Mon 10:01

I forgot that coven can't be recruited by the Vampire
Kassadin Mon 10:01

I'm very familiar (ha ha pun) with how Vamp works and what you want to do. So maybe I tihnk one step ahead.
Mon 10:02

I meantion Maokai because he was prominent day 1
Mon 10:02

while Graves seems more random
Mon 10:02

I as vm wouldn't go for grave n1
Mon 10:02

But Maokai would be an option
Sona Mon 10:03

It'd be an obvious recruit, maybe too obvious
Mon 10:03

So are we doing a rolecall?
Mon 10:03

Graves = ML?
Kassadin Mon 10:04

Ahri and me try to gather opinions, if I was able to sell you on my idea. there the #Iclaim hashtag :P
Mon 10:05

Doesn't mean you should claim now. but just to express if you'd join us on this journey.
Sona Mon 10:07

I'm a bit undecided
Moderator Mon 10:07

Sona votes to lynch Warwick
Sona Mon 10:11

What it boils down to for me is: How good are our chaneed to catch a Vampire Master today if we do a rolecall?
Kassadin Mon 10:13

As I said, This is not about catching the vamp, this is about catching their familiars in the future
Sona Mon 10:15

It should be about the Vampire
Ahri Mon 10:16

evils also usually don't dare to fake claim early so we can also narrow down the list by seeing who claim and who don't
Mon 10:16

someone also needs to count the numbers of ppl who have joined
Kassadin Mon 10:16

Sona vamp and familiar are the same team. So it's about vamps
Ahri Mon 10:17

at the moment it's 2, me (Ahri) and Kass
Kassadin Mon 10:17

:/
Mon 10:17

I'm actually a bit depressed right now.
Ahri Mon 10:17

Sona then pls suggest some plan you think is good to be against vampire
Mon 10:18

doing nothing is not
Kassadin Mon 10:18

I think my plan makes kinda sense :/ But probably wont happen since either ppl. don't care, don't understand it or don't agree with me. Although I think I was not bad at adressing Sona's concerns.
Sona Mon 10:19

My question is whether your plan is better than doing nothing
Kassadin Mon 10:19

I saw this as a challenge to beat VM.
Mon 10:19

But I already feel drained...
Ahri Mon 10:19

as I already said, just a few role call is not good, but a total role call may make difference
Mon 10:20

that's why I tell ppl to just signal they join, and if we see there're many enough, we all claim
Kassadin Mon 10:20

yep. But with the current participation we're done.
Ahri Mon 10:20

many ppl don't even want to be online
Kassadin Mon 10:20

This only works today
Sona Mon 10:21

Randomly lynch someone who doesn't show up
Ahri Mon 10:21

this should be effective with at least ~10 ppl i guess
Kassadin Mon 10:21

yep
Mon 10:22

I wonder is Sona is trolling me.
Ahri Mon 10:22

Sona so the question is, if ~10 ppl agree to claim, do you also want to participate?
Kassadin Mon 10:22

I already explained in greath length why normal "stuff" doesn't work vs 2 vm's.
Ahri Mon 10:22

if yes just signal you join, it's no harm
Sona Mon 10:23

If we do a rolecall, we should just start it
Mon 10:24

like now
Kassadin Mon 10:24

we need numbers
Mon 10:24

around 10 to do it.
Ahri Mon 10:24

yes, if there're enough ppl join!
Kassadin Mon 10:24

Else it's a drop in the ocean
Sona Mon 10:24

But it takes time to gather the numbers
Ahri Mon 10:24

oh sry i was looking at the previous cmt and thought it was new
Sona Mon 10:25

Ca we assume that every villager that shows up will claim?
Ahri Mon 10:25

@Sona I already said, if just a few ppl start claiming now it will not effective but put the claimed power roles in danger, and maybe help evils narrow down their targets
Mon 10:26

it only works with a lot of role claim, so I just want commitment!
Sona Mon 10:28

It's d2, not many players will show up
Kassadin Mon 10:28

then they're all idiots and shouldn't play on this site if they don't show up day2.
Ahri Mon 10:34

I really don't get what you afraid of, Sona
Mon 10:34

if you signal you join and ppl don't show up, you lose nothing, we don't claim
Mon 10:34

if many ppl show up and join then we do a total role claim
Mon 10:34

that's simple
Mon 10:35

why do you have to think that much?
Sona Mon 10:37

Messages got eaten
Mon 10:37

I'm ok with the rolecall
Mon 10:39

I have to think so much because we are exposing Seer and Mason Leaders with a severe lack of protection
Mon 10:41

Is that nothing to be afraid of?
Mon 10:42

At least I am afraid of it
Ahri Mon 10:43

if like ~10 role claims at once then risk will be shared among ppl, seer is not the only important role to be the target
Mon 10:45

so are you joining? if you do pls comment the #iclaim hashtag so that others are sure you're committing
Sona Mon 10:46

They are the most important roles
Mon 10:55

I'd like a third voice in this
Ezreal Mon 10:56

Open setup with no vanilla
Mon 10:56

I also think it's a good idea for us to claim as soon as possible
Mon 10:56

there will be conflicts for sure = easier to narrow down list of potential evils
Mon 10:57

how do we deal with it after that though?
Mon 10:58

important intel roles could very well be recruited as fam, or purged
Ahri Mon 10:58

it's not a fixed plan like if A then we do B, if C then we do D
Sona Mon 10:58

Despite 3 Alchemists?
Lucian Mon 10:59

Uh...
Mon 10:59

2 votes on me? :/
Ahri Mon 10:59

just need to push for claims first, or village surely lose
Lucian Mon 10:59

let the roles come out by them self
Mon 10:59

or we can force on day 3
Sona Mon 10:59

Lucian, what do you think about the rolecall?
Lucian Mon 10:59

not day 2
Mon 11:00

I think the role call will get all the intel reviewed and kill
Moderator Mon 11:00

Lucian votes to lynch Brand
Lucian Mon 11:00

ASV
Mon 11:00

so stop plz
Ahri Mon 11:00

zz read the discussion pls
Lucian Mon 11:01

i read it
Mon 11:01

but still dont like that idea
Ahri Mon 11:01

then you prefer to sit still and wait for miracle?
Lucian Mon 11:02

Yes we sit tight and wait for intel to come out by t hem self
Ahri Mon 11:02

like all the vampires and coven only fight each other and let the village live in peace
Lucian Mon 11:02

people can with intel can get kill
Mon 11:02

even when we narrow it
Ahri Mon 11:02

I give up on these people
Lucian Mon 11:02

Thanks
Mon 11:02

Can you remove your role please?
Ahri Mon 11:03

I won't spend my effort on this game anymore
Lucian Mon 11:03

vote*
Mon 11:03

you vote... can it stop staying on me please?
Ahri Mon 11:03

let the village burned
Mon 11:03

not mine
Lucian Mon 11:03

ok
Moderator Mon 11:04

Ahri votes to lynch Sona
Ezreal Mon 11:04

@Ahri it's not that, we need a more solid plan
Mon 11:04

come on
Mon 11:04

don't give up
Lucian Mon 11:05

she problaly just a ran out skill coven so why border? :|
Ezreal Mon 11:05

if we all claim now I fear that we will just give out our seer/prot/stalkers to be turned/purged for free
Lucian Mon 11:06

Yes that is what i think too
Orianna Mon 11:06

Hello
Mon 11:06

Looks like i am late for the party
Sona Mon 11:07

No
Orianna Mon 11:07

I just read up and i argee with Lucian that we shouldnt do a soon role claim
Mon 11:07

Let the intel go by them self
Brand Mon 11:08

I think we should go for the role claim
Mon 11:08

Force evils to commit to something
Moderator Mon 11:08

Orianna votes to lynch Warwick
Orianna Mon 11:08

Balance
Brand Mon 11:08

Honestly, I don't think the village can afford to be passive with this set up
Lucian Mon 11:08

only 1 day
Mon 11:08

dont lose your paiteint
Brand Mon 11:09

Coven are a boon to the village in this game
Mon 11:09

Because they fuck with the chance that the vampires can recruit successfully
Mon 11:10

Vampire recruits a coven = one less evil and no turned villager
Mon 11:10

It's win-win
Mon 11:10

But if village wastes time then the vampire teams get stronger and stronger
Sona Mon 11:11

But the Vampire is unlikely to recruit coven
Brand Mon 11:12

Uh
Mon 11:12

Vampire won't know
Mon 11:12

It's pot luck early game, right?
Mon 11:12

Vampire no more knows who the coven are than we do
Sona Mon 11:13

By claiming we establish who is more likely to be village
Varus Mon 11:14

why do we have a pair of 2s?
Sona Mon 11:14

and those persons are more likely to be recruited
Varus Mon 11:14

if we're balancing on 2, we need at least 4 stacks to prevent puppet snipe
Sona Mon 11:15

The only reason to so a rolecall imo is to lynch a vampkretoday
Mon 11:15

vampire tai
Varus Mon 11:15

if someone moves from warwick, I'll move from lucian
Sona Mon 11:15

today
Moderator Mon 11:16

Sona votes to lynch Ahri
Moderator Mon 11:16

Varus votes to lynch Kassadin
Sona Mon 11:18

I've got to go for now
Varus Mon 11:18

me too
Mon 11:18

was checking back and confused on stacks
Mon 11:18

now bye
Ahri Mon 11:19

ok let me explain all the reasons behind the total role claim one last time
Mon 11:19

with this setup, village is doomed and cannot win by doing normal stuffs
Mon 11:19

VMs will spread out like a disease very quick
Mon 11:20

we need to be very agressive
Mon 11:21

if we have most ppl claimed, we would narrow down the targets alot and scare evils from fake claims
Mon 11:21

we also have 2 militias who can shoot the suspicious ones at night for more agression
Mon 11:22

if you signal you join, you only have to claim if there're enough ppl also claims and it would make difference
Mon 11:23

if there're too few ppl, you lose nothing
Mon 11:23

let's say the bar for total role claim is 13
Mon 11:23

>= 13 ppl join -> all of them claim
Mon 11:23

< 13 ppl -> nothing happens
Mon 11:23

of course THERE IS NO PERFECT PLAN
Mon 11:24

but with that we make more progress and resolve the game quicker, which is necessary in a game with VM
Mon 11:24

the longer the game stays, the stronger the evils will be
Mon 11:24

remember that
Mon 11:26

ah btw, the open setup is good for total claiming, we can verify more easily
Mon 11:26

and evils would be more afraid of fake claiming
Mon 11:26

I repeat, I DON'T BELIEVE VILLAGE CAN WIN THIS BY DOING NORMAL STUFFS
Mon 11:28

let's raise the bar to 15 ppl, is it safer?
Mon 11:29

just commit, if you don't believe there're 15 ppl join then it's no difference
Zilean Mon 11:30

I agree on doing a roleclaim today
Mon 11:30

I'll do it first, Im reviver
Ahri Mon 11:31

oh man
Zilean Mon 11:31

Might got purged tonight so probably Im gonna revive Graves
Ahri Mon 11:32

i mean just join the #iclaim, if there're many enough ppl then we claim, because the indiviual claims could be not effective
Mon 11:32

but ok anw you claimed
Kassadin Mon 11:33

well, it's a good start. I like how Zilean gets the stuff going
Ahri Mon 11:34

Yeah thanks for that
Kassadin Mon 11:35

Ahri we both try to do the #iclaim because we don't wanna force something the majority doesn't want.
Mon 11:35

He wants to claim and he does it :)
Zilean Mon 11:36

Um.....Seems that Im the only one who claimed
Kassadin Mon 11:41

I will later. Don't worry. We just need some more peeps.
Mon 11:41

or well f it. I'm Stalker. If we don't do this today. I gonna rage anyway.
Mon 11:42

BALLZ DEEP
Brand Mon 11:46

Ahri, I agree
Mon 11:46

But we shouldn't do it by half
Kassadin Mon 11:46

that's why I just go for it.
Brand Mon 11:47

We either need decent consent (and maybe those who don't consent are evils?)
Ezreal Mon 12:00

sign
Mon 12:01

It's not the number of ppl who claim or what we lose
Mon 12:01

I concern about the valuable roles, like seer or stalker or prot
Mon 12:01

should they claim as everyone else?
Mon 12:02

that's what I meant by ''a more solid plan''
Mon 12:02

I'm in though #iclaim
Poppy Mon 12:03

I'm in for the role call
Moderator Mon 12:03

Ezreal votes to lynch Karthus
Ezreal Mon 12:03

asv first
Mon 12:03

back later
Poppy Mon 12:06

I suggest we do a pressure on random people, at least until they claim. So we get people to show up and join in? Is that an idea?
Kassadin Mon 12:07

Agreed poppy
Moderator Mon 12:07

Kassadin votes to lynch Karthus
Vi Mon 12:08

Ah....no
Mon 12:08

I'm not in
Mon 12:08

Alchemist baiting game is strong
Moderator Mon 12:09

Vi votes to lynch Lux
Moderator Mon 12:09

Kassadin votes to lynch Vi
Kassadin Mon 12:09

Alchemist baiting game?
Mon 12:09

You actually serious?
Moderator Mon 12:10

Poppy votes to lynch Vi
Poppy Mon 12:10

Vi, 'm not convinced
Mon 12:10

I want you to claim, please
Kassadin Mon 12:10

3/12 roles
Mon 12:10

we got no vanilla
Mon 12:10

every person in this game is something
Vi Mon 12:10

No I don't want to
Poppy Mon 12:11

Can you hint about your role? Is it single-use or every-night-use?
Kassadin Mon 12:11

besides evil will fake claim too. so
Vi Mon 12:11

No?
Poppy Mon 12:11

I want people to narrow down at least
Kassadin Mon 12:12

ww.es is not about power roles, it's about logic and stuff.
Sona Mon 12:12

Why Vi?
Kassadin Mon 12:12

I don't now why ppl. are so worried about their precious roles
Vi Mon 12:12

I don't want to
Poppy Mon 12:12

She's online now, and one of the refusers
Mon 12:12

So I'm going for her
Mon 12:12

and not letting go, I hope Kassadin perseveres with me
Kassadin Mon 12:13

I want to hear some arguments besides "no"
Mon 12:13

and "alchemist bait"
Sona Mon 12:13

Has anyone else claimed yet?
Vi Mon 12:13

If you're not going to make a clearer and safer plan for everyone, I'm not in
Mon 12:13

Right now it's just a baiting game
Kassadin Mon 12:14

uhm, if I'd have a "safer" plan, I'd probably have told it by now. But fuck Alchemist, we got 2 VM's.
Vi Mon 12:14

Okay so here's your flaw
Kassadin Mon 12:14

how can you be concerned about Alchi bait, when we have two killing roles who can recruit up to six people.
Vi Mon 12:16

Assuming all the village roles are telling the truth, we have 8 distinct roles, 5 of them have 2 or more
Poppy Mon 12:16

Alchemists are not interested in getting village roles gone which help against the VMs
Mon 12:16

Coven and village are in this thing together against VM, in this sense at least
Vi Mon 12:16

If I'm evil and I'm coordinated I might just distribute myu bad guys into roles that have many
Lucian Mon 12:16

Vi is lit
Poppy Mon 12:16

How come?
Lucian Mon 12:17

I trust her
Vi Mon 12:17

It will take time to verify all the bunch of stalkers or bunch of militia
Lucian Mon 12:17

#idontclaim
Vi Mon 12:17

When all the unique role die one by one or purged
Mon 12:17

Now, how's your plan work out eh?
Lucian Mon 12:17

only 1 claim
Mon 12:18

and you didnt even claim?
Mon 12:18

TF?
Vi Mon 12:18

Not to mention recruitment after being verified
Kassadin Mon 12:18

ffs
Mon 12:18

did you even read??
Poppy Mon 12:18

Okay, fair and square
Mon 12:18

I will claim after Vi does
Kassadin Mon 12:18

this is to detect recruitment
Mon 12:18

because ppl. change roles
Mon 12:19

So I want ROLES today because some of us will have different ones tomorrow
Mon 12:19

that's the whole point.
Poppy Mon 12:19

the odds are greater that they lose their role than that they can still carry out their role after recruit, indeed
Lucian Mon 12:19

i will claim after Brand and Ahri and Sona claim
Vi Mon 12:19

If they are changed then the number is not right isn't it
Mon 12:19

We'll know by then?
Lucian Mon 12:19

They started this they must go first
Vi Mon 12:20

Yeah, I'll claim after Ahri and Brand and Sona
Mon 12:20

Yep
Sona Mon 12:20

I've been the first sceptic
Mon 12:20

lol
Kassadin Mon 12:20

@Vi, you have to consider the amount of killing is slowing down with recruitment
Lucian Mon 12:21

May you maddam?
Poppy Mon 12:21

Everybody waits for everybody else, that doesn't help. Claim now, Vi, and I'll go right after.
Sona Mon 12:21

What about Kassadin?
Vi Mon 12:21

No?
Kassadin Mon 12:21

So the amount if dead people compared to changed people will be better than a wolf game.
Lucian Mon 12:21

Poppy do you realisy that you are waiting too?
Mon 12:21

If you say that then you go first
Moderator Mon 12:22

Kassadin votes to lynch Viktor
Sona Mon 12:22

Lucian, why these 3 persons?
Lucian Mon 12:22

They started the claim
Mon 12:22

They MUST go first
Sona Mon 12:22

No, they didn't
Lucian Mon 12:22

Hell yes
Mon 12:22

Who then?
Sona Mon 12:22

Akassadin and Agri did
Kassadin Mon 12:22

I already claimed.
Poppy Mon 12:23

Can you restate it? I missed it, I guess
Sona Mon 12:23

I was sceptical and said only if we get enough ppl to claim
Lucian Mon 12:23

Sona will not claim?
Orianna Mon 12:23

This is crazy
Poppy Mon 12:23

The problem is, Sona, that people are rarely here on the same time. We may be able to lead by example
Sona Mon 12:23

I just told you when I'll claim
Poppy Mon 12:23

Orianna, what do you think of this?
Orianna Mon 12:24

Who agree with the claim shit plz claim
Sona Mon 12:24

Honestly, I don't care that much
Mon 12:24

I'm a Graverobber
Lucian Mon 12:24

good
Sona Mon 12:24

Lucian, now claim please
Lucian Mon 12:24

1 down 2 to go
Mon 12:24

Brand and Ahiri
Sona Mon 12:25

Lucian, please don't stall
Mon 12:25

Go first
Orianna Mon 12:25

He didnt stall
Mon 12:25

He said it clearly
Mon 12:25

Only claim if 3 of that people claim
Mon 12:25

So are Vi then to Poppy
Poppy Mon 12:25

I think it's fair to get in turns
Sona Mon 12:25

That's a huge condition
Poppy Mon 12:25

You can't demand 3v1
Sona Mon 12:26

Everyone just claim
Lucian Mon 12:26

But i dont trust those guys
Sona Mon 12:26

Yes, doesn't stop you from claiming
Poppy Mon 12:26

But then state why the hell you trust Vi, for no apparent reason
Mon 12:26

We need to establish trust
Mon 12:26

by claiming after each other?
Lucian Mon 12:26

Hell
Mon 12:27

Ahiri and Brand need to claim
Vi Mon 12:27

I think because I opposed the #iclaim?
Sona Mon 12:27

They will
Zilean Mon 12:27

Just make it simple all just claim
Lucian Mon 12:28

they will run out of roles to claim and i know they will show their tail
Orianna Mon 12:28

I think so too
Mon 12:28

People say everyone else to claim but they wont claim is sus AF
Sona Mon 12:28

Orianna, have you claimed a role?
Mon 12:29

Zilean, may I ask you for your role?
Orianna Mon 12:29

I will go wit Lucian's condition too
Lucian Mon 12:29

Zilean is a reviver
Sona Mon 12:29

Poppy, what about your role?
Poppy Mon 12:30

After Vi.
Sona Mon 12:30

Can someone be a bit more grown up?
Poppy Mon 12:30

UGH
Lucian Mon 12:30

lol you said dont wait and you wait for Vi? xD
Poppy Mon 12:30

THINK ABOUT IT
Sona Mon 12:31

ok, Poppy
Poppy Mon 12:31

SOME ROLES CAN CONFIRM OTHER PEOPLE'S VISIT PATTERNS, SO THEY WANT TO MAKE THEM CLAIM FIRST
Lucian Mon 12:31

Poppy is triggered
Poppy Mon 12:31

...
Mon 12:31

OK Stalker, N1 visited Vi.
Sona Mon 12:31

Lucian, is it relevant for your claim to wait for a person?
Poppy Mon 12:31

Vi, your turn.
Mon 12:31

Yes, I'm triggered - because now Vi can adapt her claim accordingly.
Sona Mon 12:31

thanks Poppy, I trust you
Lucian Mon 12:32

So that's why Poppy want Vi to claim
Poppy Mon 12:32

YES
Mon 12:32

I really wished people would think about this more from a strategic perspective instead of a power-and-conflict mindset
Lucian Mon 12:32

But but but only till Brand and Ahiri
Moderator Mon 12:32

Zilean votes to lynch Brand
Zilean Mon 12:33

I hate saying without doing anything
Lucian Mon 12:33

I dont like who started a claim without claiming
Orianna Mon 12:33

Will remove when he claim
Moderator Mon 12:33

Orianna votes to lynch Brand
Sona Mon 12:34

So I, Poppy, Kassadin and So mean have claimed so far
Lucian Mon 12:34

and so mean?
Poppy Mon 12:34

Perhaps we should now focus one thing at a time?
Mon 12:35

Let's focus on Vi.
Lucian Mon 12:35

No
Mon 12:35

ON BRAND
Sona Mon 12:35

Yes, Vi is here
Moderator Mon 12:35

Sona votes to lynch Vi
Sona Mon 12:35

Brand might not be here
Lucian Mon 12:35

Vi idnt talk
Sona Mon 12:36

Lucian, your condition is outlandish
Lucian Mon 12:36

for a while...
Poppy Mon 12:36

She was here a second ago
Lucian Mon 12:36

welll
Mon 12:36

3 of us want the same condition
Mon 12:36

so fair enough
Sona Mon 12:36

I think that you're evil, together with Orianna
Lucian Mon 12:36

lol
Mon 12:36

how bout Vi? xD
Sona Mon 12:37

Maybe not the same team
Lucian Mon 12:37

whatever
Mon 12:37

i will wait for 1 more hour
Mon 12:37

meet you till then
Vi Mon 12:38

Okay, who did I visit
Poppy Mon 12:39

Can I say?
Mon 12:39

Depending on your role, it may expose them.
Mon 12:40

I mean, worst case here is that I force the ML and their first Mason recruit out in the open ;)
Mon 12:40

Best case is that I found a VM plus recruit, but that means one ML must have died?
Mon 12:40

Which is also good because then the other ML would know about a VM. But that didn't happen, so probably not.
Mon 12:41

I'll wait for your confirmation Vi
Mon 12:41

then I'll confirm your visit
Sona Mon 12:41

Maybe Vi says her role first?
Poppy Mon 12:42

That sounds fair
Sona Mon 12:42

Do you agree, Vi?
Poppy Mon 12:43

(meanwhile: I didn't see Kassadin's role claim, I skimmed over their text but didn't see it. Only some hints?)
Sona Mon 12:46

Stalker
Mon 12:46

Mon 11:41
Poppy Mon 12:46

Thanks
Mon 12:47

Vi, your absence at this moment is remarkable. Can you come over and talk to us for a second?
Sona Mon 12:57

I hope she comes back
Poppy Mon 13:03

Same
Mon 13:03

And Lucian, you're up in half an hour
Sona Mon 13:34

= nowish
Poppy Mon 13:52

..
Sona Mon 13:52

Vi and Lucian are on top of my Liat of suspicion
Mon 13:53

followed by Brand and Ahri
Poppy Mon 13:55

The only explanation for Vi being evil and having 2 deaths N1 is that a ML made a VM-recruit, though. Which is a good trade-off if the other ML would give us a VM at least (and we'd hope it was a VM who didn't recruit yet).
Mon 13:57

So Vi, although being shady, doesn't seem likely to be evil. She's not coven, because then she could only be Alch (based on visit) and the person who she visited already spoke today and didn't announce purge.
Mon 13:59

If she's Fam and doesn't want to say something about her (old) role, a ML must have died because of bad recruit. If she's Vamp, a ML must have died because of bad recruit. If she's Alch and tried to purge somebody who hasn't been purged, I conclude that Vi's target is VM or Fam. Coven would want to keep this info for themselves, since they need the threat of VMs at least at the start? I don't know. I wouldn't know eaxctly what to do as Coven in this game...
Sona Mon 14:06

So what should we do now?
Poppy Mon 14:08

There's little that we can do in a silent village. We can't lynch *everybody*
Mon 14:09

I'll un-pile my vote for now
Moderator Mon 14:09

Poppy votes to lynch Orianna
Sona Mon 14:23

If anyone's here, please talk
Lucian Mon 14:30

hello ;))
Poppy Mon 14:31

Ah!
Mon 14:31

You are most welcome
Varus Mon 14:31

I currently disagree with claims, I'll claim when I see that enough people have claimed OR when I see one specific role being claimed
Sona Mon 14:31

hey hey hey
Poppy Mon 14:32

Lucian, you should keep to your promise and claim your role now :)
Varus Mon 14:32

you can't just go hey hey hey and disagree to disagree no no no I'll scream the same thing until I get what I want everytime someone disagrees with your plan
Lucian Mon 14:32

um
Mon 14:32

Brand didnt claim
Poppy Mon 14:33

You said you'd come back and claim
Sona Mon 14:33

the heyheyhey was for lucian
Varus Mon 14:34

still the same, you're desperately trying to push him while clearly his requested condition hasn't been fulfilled
Mon 14:35

being repetitive
Poppy Mon 14:35

Well, you can request conditions that won't be met.
Mon 14:35

I can request a whole lot of things
Sona Mon 14:35

the way i see It, he could just say that he won't claim
Mon 14:35

His condition might not be fulfilled because of timezones
Mon 14:42

2 stalkers, a Gravedigger and a reviver claimed
Mon 14:42

There's no going back
Poppy Mon 14:43

Yep, don't leave us out in the open
Mon 14:44

you can take responsibility for your own claim instead of waiting for another
Mon 14:44

there are moments when it's strategic, as was the case for me with Vi, but otherwise there's no good reason
Sona Mon 14:45

It's not like we've forgotten about Brand and Ahri
Mon 14:46

At least I too find them suspicious
Mon 14:46

But you are giving them even more power if you wait for them
Lucian Mon 14:47

ok fine
Mon 14:47

very swell
Mon 14:47

i am a ML
Mon 14:47

Orianna is my friend in the house
Mon 14:48

so if i died or missing she will inform you guys
Vi Mon 14:48

Lucian noooo
Sona Mon 14:48

I knew you were a team xD
Lucian Mon 14:48

but i will keep my vote :D
Mon 14:48

Kill brand!
Mon 14:49

I also have a mysterious friend wich will come out when they want
Kassadin Mon 14:49

So you claim PM?
Sona Mon 14:49

Hey Vi, want to claim?
Vi Mon 14:50

*cries*
Lucian Mon 14:50

Dont claim Vi
Vi Mon 14:50

Miscommunication...
Lucian Mon 14:50

...
Vi Mon 14:52

Both MLs used 1 recruit on the same person, now each have 1 left
Mon 14:52

So alchemist, we welcome you
Mon 14:52

To visit us
Mon 14:54

We are sure to recruit 2 more tonight
Mon 14:55

Vamp recruit will be a waste on us, since we can talk at night
Lucian Mon 14:57

hum...
Mon 14:57

i see what are you saying
Vi Mon 14:57

I think me and Lucian will shut up, so is Ori
Lucian Mon 14:57

xD
Vi Mon 14:57

We'll talk at night
Lucian Mon 14:58

Ofcourse duh...
Vi Mon 14:59

So 2MLs are alive, you guys can discuss
Mon 14:59

Both vamps killed last night
Lucian Mon 14:59

Poppy it is time to spill your role
Orianna Mon 15:00

Yeh!
Lucian Mon 15:01

nah JK
Mon 15:02

you are a stalker
Mon 15:09

the silent...
Poppy Mon 15:20

Wow, that's unfortunate Mason action there
Mon 15:20

So it's time I say who was visited
Mon 15:21

And I see Orianna is also expressing their curiosity
Mon 15:21

and I see that I voted for Orianna
Mon 15:21

*hint hint*
Mon 15:22

If both VMs killed, we should put more effort into the role call
Mon 15:22

we might lynch a VM today
Varus Mon 15:23

lucian, I don't feel like claiming, can you recruit me tonight and let vi have a free-willed recruit?
Poppy Mon 15:24

Let's all claim
Mon 15:24

MLS are out
Mon 15:24

can't get any more exposed than this
Mon 15:24

Go for it, Varus. Spill those beans
Varus Mon 15:25

you can't control me, unless you vamp recruit me
Mon 15:25

*audible wink*
Poppy Mon 15:25

Ah come on
Varus Mon 15:26

clearly, coven would wanna side with us to get rid of vamps first
Mon 15:26

if vamps recruit the masons, the fams will be exposed
Mon 15:26

if vamps kill the masons, they'll slow themselves down
Mon 15:26

so I think my point of view here is reasonable enough
Poppy Mon 15:27

So state your plan, exactly?
Varus Mon 15:28

the ML sees me successfully recruited, I become verified and immune to recruits (because I'll just die easily, not worth the recruit for vamps), despite not knowing my role, you get another confirmed village member anyway
Mon 15:28

also, I already said on what condition I would claim
Mon 15:28

and I'll do it when I think it's met, no need to remind me
Jhin Mon 15:31

That does not make any sense to me unless you're the PM.
Lucian Mon 15:31

Can we kill Brand?
Varus Mon 15:32

if lucian recruits me, you know, he can just call me out if I am a coven
Jhin Mon 15:35

Yes, but seriously what did VARUS just imply?
Varus Mon 15:36

that I disagree with early role claim
Mon 15:36

and that I demanded a mason recruit, even before the claim shenanigan happened
Sona Mon 15:36

I don't see why the Masons should recruit you when you are basically dead
Varus Mon 15:36

those are the only two things I wanted to say today
Lucian Mon 15:39

Varus have a good point
Varus Mon 15:39

thank you
Lucian Mon 15:39

i belive him
Varus Mon 15:39

I'll just leave it as that
Mon 15:40

lucian, tell me whether you want me to move my asv to help pressuring brand before I leave
Lucian Mon 15:40

Help me kill Brand
Moderator Mon 15:41

Varus votes to lynch Brand
Varus Mon 15:41

I said at the beginning of the day that I think early lynches are appropriate for two VMs setup
Mon 15:41

so, happy to help
Lucian Mon 15:41

:))
Varus Mon 15:42

see ya
Lucian Mon 15:42

come out Ahri and claim
Mon 15:42

we have cookies
Mon 15:42

come out
Sona Mon 15:42

I hope yuo die, then I could get your role + we can revive you
Poppy Mon 15:43

Sona, can you give me an overview of all claims so far?
Sona Mon 15:43

Kassadin - Stalker
Mon 15:43

Poppy - Stalker
Mon 15:43

Sona - Gracerobber
Mon 15:43

Lucian - ML
Mon 15:43

Vi - ML
Mon 15:44

Orianna - ? recruited
Mon 15:44

Zilean - Reviver
Mon 15:45

Did I forget someone?
Poppy Mon 15:45

Not that I know of
Brand Mon 15:45

I have four votes
Mon 15:46

Interesting
Poppy Mon 15:46

OK, Orianna needn't claim at the moment if their info is safe in the Masons? We do need it to be shared before the info is lost
Brand Mon 15:46

Anyone want to explain why
Poppy Mon 15:46

People want you to claim
Sona Mon 15:46

She should claim if there's a contradiction
Brand Mon 15:46

All I got from the chat was Lucian shouting my name a lot
Poppy Mon 15:46

You were one of the first people saying we should role claim
Mon 15:46

we got somewhere with that already
Brand Mon 15:46

Poppy, but why do I have votes on me?
Poppy Mon 15:46

now we need your role
Brand Mon 15:46

Couldn't they have just asked me?
Poppy Mon 15:47

I can't speak for them, I can't look into their minds...
Brand Mon 15:47

Like, I don't understand why the votes are there
Sona Mon 15:47

You weren't here?!
Poppy Mon 15:47

But anyway, I think that once you claim all is cleared
Brand Mon 15:47

Sure, I'm a reviver
Mon 15:48

I was all in favour of the role claim
Poppy Mon 15:48

Thanks! :)
Brand Mon 15:48

Sona, is that a question?
Sona Mon 15:48

No
Mon 15:49

So we're at 2/2 revivers
Poppy Mon 15:49

Let's continue with role call
Mon 15:49

And pressure a silent
Moderator Mon 15:49

Poppy votes to lynch Veigar
Poppy Mon 15:49

I've chosen Veigar for this
Brand Mon 15:49

So, you're saying I have the majority vote because I wasn't here?
Moderator Mon 15:49

Sona votes to lynch Veigar
Poppy Mon 15:49

checking in the morning, greeting, then being absent
Brand Mon 15:49

That doesn't seem a very conducive way of organising a village
Moderator Mon 15:49

Kassadin votes to lynch Veigar
Poppy Mon 15:49

@Brand: I'm not sure what was happening, but I think you needn't get worked up over it. People will surely move their vote off of you.
Brand Mon 15:50

I'm not worked up, I just want to point out that people didn't think about their actions
Sona Mon 15:50

Kassadin, please speak up once your stalk get's relevant (obvious, isn't it?)
Brand Mon 15:50

They voted because someone (I assume Lucian) suggested that they should and they followed like sheep
Mon 15:51

I don't think sheep is what this village needs today
Sona Mon 15:51

They were angry that you weren't here to claim when the rolecall started
Brand Mon 15:51

We need a bunch of people who think for themselves not just going along with the loudest voice
Mon 15:51

Sona, um, sorry for having a job?
Sona Mon 15:52

It was them *points fingers*
Mon 15:52

-s
Brand Mon 15:52

It's not like we agreed a time on it or anything
Mon 15:52

Anyway, now I need to go and conserve my phone battery
Sona Mon 15:52

calm down, it's no big deal
Brand Mon 15:52

Have fun people
Sona Mon 15:53

Sorry if you're already calm
Ahri Mon 15:54

ok first to be clear, I didn't start "the claim", I wanted people to commit to claim when there're enough people also commit, that's a bit difference
Mon 15:54

Varus Mon 14:31 I currently disagree with claims, I'll claim when I see that enough people have claimed
Mon 15:55

@Varus " I'll claim when I see that enough people have claimed" ==> that's the whole purpose of the #iclaim thing
Sona Mon 15:55

Yes, I know, Ahri
Ahri Mon 15:55

I'm Militia
Sona Mon 15:55

doesn't matter now
Mon 15:55

that does matter
Ahri Mon 15:56

yes now there're many ppl have claimed so just push it agressively
Sona Mon 15:56

2/2 Revicers 2/3Stalkers 1/1 Graverpbber
Mon 15:56

2/2 Mason Leaders
Ahri Mon 15:57

I remember someone said he would claim after I claim
Sona Mon 15:57

Lucian, Vi and Orianna said so, but they claimed already
Mon 15:58

(Mason Leader, Mason Leader, and recruit) respectively
Ahri Mon 15:58

ok
Mon 15:58

so we need to move votes to pressure someone silent
Mon 15:58

and hasn't claimed
Sona Mon 15:58

Veigar
Ahri Mon 16:00

do we have any info about Veigar?
Moderator Mon 16:01

Ahri votes to lynch Veigar
Ahri Mon 16:01

so many silent ppl in this large game
Sona Mon 16:02

showed up at the start of the day, we might not see him again today
Ahri Mon 16:03

Corki is the same
Mon 16:04

I'm thinking about shooting someone silent tonight
Sona Mon 16:05

The people that talked d1 are Lux, Jhin, Teemo, Kassadin, TwistedState and Maokai
Mon 16:05

And Teemo talked a lot
Mon 16:06

Maokai had 2 lines: Maokai Sun 19:13 Supp ma dudes Sun 19:13 I approve this theme
Mon 16:06

so not that prominen @Kassadin
Mon 16:07

teemo is probably not coven, as they generally try to stay down
Ahri Mon 16:08

but Teemo hasn't shown up today, that's strange
Sona Mon 16:08

imE being talkative at the start and hen going silent is a sign of evil, but that could of course be some RL stuff
Mon 16:09

so let's see whether he comes online in the evening
Ahri Mon 16:09

EVERYONE WHO'S READING THIS, CLAIM IF YOU HAVEN'T, OR I WILL SHOOT ONE OF YOU
Mon 16:09

sometimes it's just personal reasons, but we cannot know
Mon 16:10

more of the times it's intentional than unintentional
Sona Mon 16:11

The time investment of playing evil is higher
Ahri Mon 16:11

true
Sona Mon 16:12

So we trigger all actions tonight to avoid the Alchemists?
Ahri Mon 16:12

and evils usually are more cautious of any actions and words they take
Mon 16:12

maybe
Mon 16:12

depends
Veigar Mon 16:13

are we doing role-calling in D2?
Mon 16:13

wow
Mon 16:13

I need to read back
Ahri Mon 16:13

yes, many ppl have claimed
Veigar Mon 16:13

Can I have a list?
Ahri Mon 16:13

pls do it quick and be sure to come back
Mon 16:13

yes a bit above here
Veigar Mon 16:13

it's too much to read. sorry
Mon 16:14

oh really?
Ahri Mon 16:14

I will paste here
Mon 16:14

Kassadin - Stalker Poppy - Stalker Mon 15:43 Sona - Gracerobber Mon 15:43 Lucian - ML Mon 15:43 Vi - ML Mon 15:44 Orianna - ? recruited
Mon 16:14

Ahri (me) Militia
Veigar Mon 16:14

Nice
Mon 16:14

So we have 3 in Masons, right?
Sona Mon 16:14

I like your Avatar
Veigar Mon 16:14

2 masons leader, and one recruited
Ahri Mon 16:14

seems so
Veigar Mon 16:14

@Sona: Thanks
Ahri Mon 16:14

can you claim now?
Veigar Mon 16:15

I think Orianna shouldn't claim
Mon 16:15

in this closed set-up, as long as Orianna's lit, she didn't need to claim
Mon 16:15

Should I?
Sona Mon 16:15

It's an open setup
Ahri Mon 16:15

this is open setup
Sona Mon 16:15

Moderator Sun 17:58 There are: 1 Seer, 1 Protector, 2 Gravediggers, 1 Graverobber, 2 Revivers, 3 Stalkers, 2 Militia, 2 MasonLeaders, 1 Djinn, 3 Alchemists, 1 Puppetmaster and 2 VampireMasters.
Ahri Mon 16:16

but I agree that Orianna can stay unclaimed for now, to catch the liars
Veigar Mon 16:16

Actually my role isn't too important to lay low
Mon 16:16

I'm a GD
Ahri Mon 16:16

ok first GD
Veigar Mon 16:16

Very bored last night
Sona Mon 16:16

Who did you dig?
Mon 16:16

jk
Veigar Mon 16:16

It's D2, Sona
Sona Mon 16:17

JK
Mon 16:17

= just kidding
Ahri Mon 16:17

he dug gold
Veigar Mon 16:17

And actually I wasn't here last night
Lucian Mon 16:17

In the GY there's only metan
Veigar Mon 16:17

By somehow I didn't got a noti that game started
Mon 16:17

Can sb explain about VM pls
Lucian Mon 16:17

Luckily he didnt hit 1 or his face would burned off
Veigar Mon 16:17

how many recruitments do they have?
Sona Mon 16:17

In the GY there's only Sodium and Chloride
Lucian Mon 16:18

really?
Veigar Mon 16:18

Guys?
Ahri Mon 16:18

I thought in the GY there's Phosphorus
Sona Mon 16:18

Sodium and Chlorine?
Veigar Mon 16:18

Guys?
Ahri Mon 16:18

ok stop the chemical here
Veigar Mon 16:19

VM and Alchemist aren't in h2p
Sona Mon 16:19

Whatever, I just wanted to say salt
Ahri Mon 16:19

VM can recruit up to 3 familiars
Mon 16:19

familiars is random from Familiar (GD), Familiar (Militia) and Familiar (stalker)
Veigar Mon 16:19

if a VM was killed, he will be automatically revived into his fam's body, right?
Ahri Mon 16:19

yes automatically, starting from the first familiar he recruited
Lucian Mon 16:20

I think there are metan too
Mon 16:20

from the dead bodies produce
Mon 16:20

It sometime will get lit and create will-o'-the-wisp
Ahri Mon 16:20

stop the chemical stuff pls? xD
Veigar Mon 16:20

And Alchemist?
Ahri Mon 16:21

alchemist is in H2p
Veigar Mon 16:21

oh really?
Ahri Mon 16:21

you can check
Veigar Mon 16:21

thanks
Sona Mon 16:21

rikering
Mon 16:21

totally riker
Ahri Mon 16:22

I think I need to repeat this frequently
Mon 16:22

EVERYONE WHO'S READING THIS, CLAIM IF YOU HAVEN'T, OR I WILL SHOOT ONE OF YOU
Veigar Mon 16:23

I swear I didn't know mod updated Alchemist in h2p
Ahri Mon 16:23

there're many evils in this game so I think there's a good chance to hit an evil
Mon 16:23

although having a risk hitting the roles left
Mon 16:23

but many important roles are outed
Veigar Mon 16:23

Omg why am I having 4 votes?
Brand Mon 16:24

Lucian, you still here?
Ahri Mon 16:24

and this will help pushing more role calls, so I WILL SHOOT SOMEONE UNCLAIMED TONIGHT
Mon 16:24

I will announce who I will shoot before end of the day
Sona Mon 16:24

I still think that you are feigning ignorance xD
Ahri Mon 16:25

so if he's not dead everyone will know he's VM
Mon 16:25

or maybe newly recruited familiar
Orianna Mon 16:25

Yes
Mon 16:25

Ori is here
Vi Mon 16:25

Oriiii
Orianna Mon 16:26

Lol
Vi Mon 16:26

You're my main
Sona Mon 16:26

Vi's such a creepy lurker
Orianna Mon 16:26

Ok sorry maddam
Moderator Mon 16:26

Ahri votes to lynch Warwick
Vi Mon 16:26

(I hope I don't get killed for this)
Brand Mon 16:26

So I still have four votes
Vi Mon 16:26

So we have Lux who spoke day 1
Brand Mon 16:27

Anyone fancy maybe taking one or two off me?
Vi Mon 16:27

I think we should push her
Ahri Mon 16:27

Veigar and Brand have claimed, let's move our votes from them pls
Mon 16:27

to the next ones
Vi Mon 16:27

Oh, I voted already :|
Brand Mon 16:27

Thanks Ahri
Vi Mon 16:27

LUXX
Moderator Mon 16:27

Sona votes to lynch Warwick
Brand Mon 16:27

People seem to forget there are puppets around
Ahri Mon 16:27

doesn't matter if the votes are not too close
Vi Mon 16:28

The positive binch in LOL, "Illuminate the enemies" she said
Moderator Mon 16:28

Brand votes to lynch Warwick
Vi Mon 16:28

Why not Luxx
Brand Mon 16:28

Ahri, it matters to me if I'm the one with all the votes on me
Mon 16:28

D:<
Sona Mon 16:28

Orianna, please consider moving your vote
Orianna Mon 16:28

:/
Mon 16:29

I will think
Ahri Mon 16:29

?? why?
Mon 16:29

@Vi why Lux? it's ok but basically they're the same to me
Vi Mon 16:30

Becuase Lux spoke day 1
Mon 16:30

She will be active
Moderator Mon 16:30

Sona votes to lynch Lux
Vi Mon 16:30

When we don't know if warwick will be active or not
Veigar Mon 16:30

I have to go
Ahri Mon 16:30

ok then
Veigar Mon 16:31

who should i vote?
Moderator Mon 16:31

Ahri votes to lynch Lux
Vi Mon 16:31

LUX
Sona Mon 16:31

me
Veigar Mon 16:31

I'm not going back
Brand Mon 16:31

Ori
Vi Mon 16:31

Maybe we can balance in the end
Veigar Mon 16:31

Just one, pls
Brand Mon 16:31

You said you'd move your vote when I claimed
Mon 16:31

So why do you now say "you'll think about it"
Ahri Mon 16:31

balance + puppet = dead
Sona Mon 16:31

then make it Luxxxxx
Veigar Mon 16:31

Ori's lit, right?
Moderator Mon 16:32

Veigar votes to lynch Lux
Veigar Mon 16:32

Ok, hope to see you guys tmr
Ahri Mon 16:32

maybe Ori has some intel we don't know?
Mon 16:32

but I cannot think what could make him think with this
Brand Mon 16:32

Lucian and Ori seem to have it in for me #paranoid
Sona Mon 16:33

If it's enough to lynch someone, she should tell us
Vi Mon 16:33

I think "the purge" will happen tonight
Ahri Mon 16:33

yes, I don't get what more he's thinking
Mon 16:33

is there anything can prevent the purge?
Mon 16:34

prot's protection also can't right?
Sona Mon 16:34

I want to be militia *cries*
Vi Mon 16:34

Yeah...
Brand Mon 16:34

Lucian [Mon 15:31] Can we kill Brand?
Ahri Mon 16:34

i remember there's no militia in the purge result list
Brand Mon 16:34

It's statements like this that makes me nervous
Mon 16:34

D:
Ahri Mon 16:35

you can move your vote to Lux first Brand
Mon 16:35

to make yourself safer
Sona Mon 16:35

don't worry, you wont be hung
Moderator Mon 16:35

Brand votes to lynch Lux
Ahri Mon 16:36

I'm pasting this once in a while
Vi Mon 16:36

https://media.giphy.com/media/rZb7Je4LkT9lu/giphy.gif
Ahri Mon 16:36

EVERYONE WHO'S READING THIS, CLAIM IF YOU HAVEN'T, OR I WILL SHOOT ONE OF YOU WHO HASN'T CLAIMED
Sona Mon 16:36

Maybe paste it when someone comes around?
Moderator Mon 16:37

Sona votes to lynch Teemo
Moderator Mon 16:37

Sona votes to lynch Lux
Ahri Mon 16:38

who knows when someone's lurking
Sona Mon 16:39

the stalker?
Ahri Mon 16:41

Warwick, Karthus, Lux, Corki, Ezreal, Lissandra, Jhin, Viktor, Teemo, Twistedfate I WILL CHOOSE ONE OF YOU TO SHOOT IF YOU'RE NOT CLAIMING
Mon 16:41

has Varus claimed?
Sona Mon 16:45

No
Mon 16:46

Bit wants a Mail recruit
Mon 16:46

But wants a Mason recruit
Ahri Mon 16:47

he also hinted that he has boring night
Mon 16:47

but HEY I've just realized something weird
Mon 16:47

I've counted the roles in the setup, it's 22 including the puppet
Brand Mon 16:47

What's that?
Ahri Mon 16:47

but we have 23 names here
Mon 16:48

does PM have 1 or 2 puppets?
Brand Mon 16:49

PM should have two, I think?
Mon 16:49

But I count 23 with puppets
Mon 16:50

You did count the TWO vampire masters right?
Ahri Mon 16:50

if 2 puppets then 23 is correct
Mon 16:50

yes of course
Brand Mon 16:50

Okay, just checking
Mon 16:50

Yeah, so with two puppets I think it adds up?
Ahri Mon 16:51

yup, I thought there's 1
Brand Mon 16:52

It's weird that there was two deaths, actually
Mon 16:52

That means neither VM recruited
Mon 16:53

(or maybe both tried to recruit coven!)
Moderator Mon 16:53

Orianna votes to lynch Kassadin
Orianna Mon 16:54

I am not coming back
Brand Mon 16:54

/me high-fives Ori
Mon 16:54

You mah hero
Orianna Mon 16:55

You wont get lynch anyway... the village like you mores... just make you safer
Mon 16:55

Feel*
Brand Mon 16:55

I'm just super paranoid, I always seem to die early as reviver xD
Mon 16:56

(or get bitched at for reviving N2)
Mon 16:56

(or both)
Sona Mon 16:57

Reviving n2 is a very nice gesture to the n1 kill
Brand Mon 16:57

Although in this set up, ugh
Ahri Mon 17:12

I'm not sure if you should revive N2
Brand Mon 17:13

No, definitely not in this set up
Mon 17:13

I usually do it when it's a "guaranteed villager"
Mon 17:13

but we can't guarantee anything right now :|
Ahri Mon 17:15

Djinn can also swap dead ppl right?
Orianna Mon 17:15

Wanna bet Brand is fucked for tonight anyone?
Brand Mon 17:15

:'(
Mon 17:16

y u jinx me?
Moderator Mon 17:22

Poppy votes to lynch Lux
Poppy Mon 17:22

joining in for pressure
Ahri Mon 17:36

good, with 3 votes in difference, even PM can't mess up
Mon 17:37

no anyone else show up and claim? :(
Poppy Mon 17:39

I suggest we shoot silent people
Mon 17:39

just going radical there
Ahri Mon 17:40

yep, with this number of evils we get high chance of eliminating one
Mon 17:41

or else, if some village role is inactive and irresonsible, they're fucked anyway
Moderator Mon 17:43

Sona votes to lynch Lissandra
Moderator Mon 17:43

Sona votes to lynch Jhin
Sona Mon 17:44

enough votes on jhin
Mon 17:44

enough voes on lux
Ahri Mon 17:44

what if 2 puppets?
Sona Mon 17:45

there are 2 puppets most of the time
Ahri Mon 17:46

but i mean it's 5 votes vs 3 votes
Sona Mon 17:46

Brand, should we revive and steal from the same person?
Ahri Mon 17:46

worst chance we have 2 puppets in Lux
Sona Mon 17:46

Then you shoot them
Ahri Mon 17:46

but waste 1 no-lynch day
Sona Mon 17:47

Nah, wont happen
Mon 17:47

What if Lux shows up and claims?
Ahri Mon 17:52

try to come online before day ends?
Poppy Mon 17:52

yeah
Ahri Mon 17:52

but show up that late, he can't blame others for dying
Sona Mon 17:59

Was Veigar feigning ignorance?
Ahri Mon 18:02

Warwick, Karthus, Lux, Corki, Ezreal, Lissandra, Jhin, Viktor, Teemo, Twistedfate you have 2 hours left! If won't care if anyone in this is member of village
Lux Mon 18:05

Damn... What happened today? I thought it would be a normal boring d2
Poppy Mon 18:05

Hi, Lux, role please
Mon 18:06

we'll explain after
Mon 18:06

Although I will assume you've already studied at least the general tone of today's chat, perhaps already read everything.
Lux Mon 18:06

Is this a total role reveal?
Poppy Mon 18:06

Yes
Mon 18:06

It's best in the setup
Mon 18:07

in the opinion of some
Lux Mon 18:07

Whats everyone's role?
Mon 18:07

I cant find ỉ
Poppy Mon 18:07

There is a list going around somewhere
Mon 18:08

but your role should come first
Mon 18:08

your role SHOULD be independent of the role claims made so far, right?
Mon 18:08

go for it :)
Lux Mon 18:08

Well if you want it that much. Im stalker
Poppy Mon 18:09

okay, cheers, me too
Mon 18:09

did you produce an interesting result? did your target visit at all?
Mon 18:09

I'll conjure up the role list now
Mon 18:09

silence! =)
Mon 18:09

Kassadin - Stalker
Mon 18:09

Sona - Graverobber
Mon 18:10

Poppy - Stalker
Mon 18:10

Lucian - ML
Mon 18:10

Vi - ML
Mon 18:10

Orianna == recruited, no role claim necessary
Lux Mon 18:10

Sadly i didnt find anything, but why are the votes on me btw..
Poppy Mon 18:10

Zilean - Reviver
Mon 18:10

Brand - Reviver
Mon 18:10

Ahri - Militia
Mon 18:10

Veigar - GD
Mon 18:10

Now, please do state your check
Mon 18:11

You may confirm someone here or reduce the roles this person can claim later in the game
Lux Mon 18:11

Warwick stayed home
Mon 18:11

Checked because he is on top of the list
Poppy Mon 18:12

alright, fair enough
Mon 18:12

So we got all stalkers, if nobody's lying
Sona Mon 18:13

Moderator Sun 17:58 There are: 1 Seer, 1 Protector, 2 Gravediggers, 1 Graverobber, 2 Revivers, 3 Stalkers, 2 Militia, 2 MasonLeaders, 1 Djinn, 3 Alchemists, 1 Puppetmaster and 2 VampireMasters.
Lux Mon 18:13

So you didnt find anything too?
Poppy Mon 18:13

Warwick belongs in set {2GD, 1GR (conflict Sona), 2Reviver, 2Mili, 1Djinn, 3Alch, 1PM, 2Puppets}
Mon 18:13

I confirmed Vi's recruit
Mon 18:13

If we assume Sona is really the GR
Sona Mon 18:13

1/2 GDs 1/1 GR 2/2 Revivers 3/3 Stalkers 1/2 Militias 2/2 Masons
Poppy Mon 18:13

there is more chance Warwick is coven than they are village, right?
Moderator Mon 18:14

Poppy votes to lynch Warwick
Poppy Mon 18:14

(Lux, by the way, votes were there for pressure - we need to give people incentive to claim)
Mon 18:14

I suggest we pressure Warwick
Mon 18:15

Or don't we?
Mon 18:15

He may be coven, but then again - we're really looking for VM
Mon 18:16

by the way, did Kassadin state their check? we'd need it out there before they die, I guess
Sona Mon 18:16

No they didn't
Moderator Mon 18:16

Lux votes to lynch Brand
Lux Mon 18:17

Balance for myself
Sona Mon 18:17

Will you be online later?
Lux Mon 18:17

Yes. Im reading today's chat
Sona Mon 18:18

ok
Poppy Mon 18:18

Sona, in the meantime
Mon 18:18

what do you think we should do now?
Sona Mon 18:18

Lynch someone inactive and let the Militias shoot inactive ppl
Poppy Mon 18:19

Sounds good
Mon 18:19

What do you think about Warwick as target?
Mon 18:19

for lynch
Mon 18:19

non-visitor is not a Prot/Seer at least
Sona Mon 18:20

But certainly not VM
Poppy Mon 18:20

definitely
Mon 18:20

that's true
Mon 18:20

okay, another one thne
Sona Mon 18:21

Kassadin think that Maokai is coven ... should we revive/rob him?
Moderator Mon 18:21

Poppy votes to lynch Karthus
Poppy Mon 18:21

(I choose Karthus as the victim)
Mon 18:21

mmz, perhaps not
Mon 18:21

if we suspect coven, that is
Mon 18:22

after 174, VMs would try to recruit N1, you'd say... so that would correspond with deaths on the coven side because of failed recruits
Mon 18:22

on the other hand, group is large enough that you can probably elude a check
Mon 18:22

would anyone risk it?
Mon 18:23

If you rob a coven and we revive the same coven we're going to need to spend resources on getting rid of you
Mon 18:23

resources we probably don't want to spend
Mon 18:24

anyway, brb
Sona Mon 18:24

7/23 were coven ... the chances are not that high that both Vampire Master hit coven
Twistedfate Mon 18:44

TWM you forget you're in an active game and everyone is practically screming when you show up...
Teemo Mon 18:44

Hey guys. Apologies for my lateness. Super busy day. Leaving an asv for now and Ill catch up reading soon
Twistedfate Mon 18:44

D2 full role call is entirely stupid
Moderator Mon 18:44

Teemo votes to lynch Poppy
Twistedfate Mon 18:44

I only skimmed because there was literally a novella to read
Mon 18:44

I am GD
Teemo Mon 18:45

^^ about the novel lol
Twistedfate Mon 18:45

Can anyone post a compreensive claim list?
Mon 18:45

comprehensive*
Lux Mon 18:47

Poppy just showed the list, you can see it by scroll up a little bit
Twistedfate Mon 18:48

I see it, thanks
Lux Mon 18:50

Hmm there is something so wrong with the chat today
Sona Mon 18:51

Treemo, please claim
Mon 18:51

We're getting into conflict territpry
Mon 18:52

What, Lux?
Lux Mon 18:53

I think the chance of both ML recruiting same target is low, but Lucian claimed first and Poppy confirmed Vi
Twistedfate Mon 18:53

"Claimed first" is NOT a reliable confirmation
Sona Mon 18:54

The masonleaders can communicate at night
Lux Mon 18:54

Yea just talking about probability
Twistedfate Mon 18:54

Again, sorry for the skim, but did they confirm each other?
Sona Mon 18:55

Yes
Twistedfate Mon 18:55

Okay, then it doesn't matter
Lux Mon 18:55

Really? Didnt know that
Sona Mon 18:55

I learned today
Twistedfate Mon 18:56

Yep, it becomes a big old mason family
Lux Mon 18:56

Interesting
Twistedfate Mon 18:56

So anyone who claims to be recruited can be confirmed by a lot of people, and if anyone is recruited, that can be confirmed by them missing from mason chat
Mon 18:56

handy
Mon 18:57

if anyone is recruited by vamp*
Jhin Mon 18:57

Please don't grave rob tonight. I will find out first who is in there.
Sona Mon 18:57

You're a gravedigger?
Twistedfate Mon 18:57

If any GDs die, rob them, the role is important for this game
Jhin Mon 18:58

I think I should coordinate with Veigar...
Twistedfate Mon 18:58

So veig or Jhin is lying
Sona Mon 18:58

I think it's Jhin
Jhin Mon 18:58

btw I really don't like the threats made against people with no role claim as yet.
Sona Mon 18:58

I don't like how he slips in that he's GD
Mon 18:59

" I will find out first who is in there"
Jhin Mon 18:59

I can see the argument about VMs being important and I've never played in such a setup before, but...
Twistedfate Mon 18:59

Hilarious if Jhin id Djinn
Mon 18:59

is*
Jhin Mon 18:59

I had wanted to stay quiet until I had in fact found a Djinn in GY.
Twistedfate Mon 19:00

And who is that?
Jhin Mon 19:00

Because while the Djinn is alive I really don't think many of my findings will be worth much.
Twistedfate Mon 19:00

Jhin, you're really not looking so good right now
Jhin Mon 19:00

Sona, sorry for sounding sus to you.
Mon 19:01

Like I said, I have struggled with the whole role call thing.
Twistedfate Mon 19:01

So, do all 3 of us dig the same target and reveal at the same time?
Moderator Mon 19:01

Twistedfate votes to lynch Jhin
Jhin Mon 19:01

What, who is the 3rd GD claimant?
Twistedfate Mon 19:01

Hi
Karthus Mon 19:01

Hi guys. Really busy today, so i will just say that im a Militia. I dont agree with the full reveal D2 though
Poppy Mon 19:02

Hi Karthus
Sona Mon 19:02

ok, let me update the list of claims
Poppy Mon 19:02

we'll need your kill
Sona Mon 19:02

_----------------------
Poppy Mon 19:02

we're going to spend resources instead of getting purged
Sona Mon 19:02

Warwick - ?
Mon 19:02

Brand - Reviver
Mon 19:02

Kassadin Stalker
Mon 19:03

Karthus - Militia
Twistedfate Mon 19:03

Looks like Jhin missed my claim and went for an empty slot
Sona Mon 19:03

Lux - Stalker
Mon 19:03

Poppy - Stalker
Mon 19:03

Corki - ?
Mon 19:03

Ezreal - ?
Mon 19:03

Lissandra - ?
Mon 19:03

Jhin - GD
Mon 19:03

Ahri - Militia
Mon 19:04

Sona - GR
Mon 19:04

Varus - ?
Mon 19:04

Lucian - ML
Mon 19:04

Vi - ML
Mon 19:04

Viktor - ?
Mon 19:04

Orianna - ?
Mon 19:04

but recruited
Jhin Mon 19:04

@Twisted, I did miss your claim indeed.
Sona Mon 19:04

Teemo - ?
Mon 19:04

Veigar - GD
Mon 19:04

Twisted - GD
Jhin Mon 19:04

It makes me realise something you or sb else said...
Sona Mon 19:04

Zilean - Reviver
Jhin Mon 19:05

First claimed (in this case, Veigar) does not constitute reliability.
Sona Mon 19:05

Yes
Twistedfate Mon 19:05

Agreed, which is why I suggest we all dig the same target and reveal at the same time tomorrow
Jhin Mon 19:05

To me it is obvious you or Veig are lying. I am not going to let you know who I dig tonight, we'll see tomorrow provided we all survive.
Karthus Mon 19:06

Thanks Sona
Twistedfate Mon 19:06

Then you look sus af
Karthus Mon 19:06

And we really cant do that on the internet lmao
Twistedfate Mon 19:06

If we all dig the same person, 2 of us will get the same result, and the other won't
Mon 19:06

boom, caught
Sona Mon 19:06

But we want information about both deaths
Twistedfate Mon 19:06

Can't do what?
Karthus Mon 19:06

You cant just count 123 and reveal at the same time
Jhin Mon 19:06

That depends when the liar reveals
Sona Mon 19:07

You can, Karthus
Twistedfate Mon 19:07

THE SAME TIME
Jhin Mon 19:07

@Karthus yes
Twistedfate Mon 19:07

Yes, you can
Mon 19:07

It works
Jhin Mon 19:07

How?
Twistedfate Mon 19:07

Coordinate a time for everyone to be here
Mon 19:07

show up at said time
Mon 19:07

have a 3rd party count
Karthus Mon 19:07

Idk if it was me all i need is fast typing
Twistedfate Mon 19:07

3rd party says 3
Mon 19:07

2
Mon 19:08

1
Jhin Mon 19:08

OK with hitting return
Twistedfate Mon 19:08

then all hit enter
Jhin Mon 19:08

on time...
Twistedfate Mon 19:08

It should be immediate
Jhin Mon 19:08

but does that mean that with all 3 results the same the last one is the liar?
Twistedfate Mon 19:08

no
Jhin Mon 19:08

Then what?
Twistedfate Mon 19:08

They'd need time to type, so a lag of significant amount is clear
Mon 19:09

I mean, are you joking?
Mon 19:09

Pretty sure you're evil
Jhin Mon 19:09

I have never done this before.
Karthus Mon 19:09

Can one get away with bad internet xD
Twistedfate Mon 19:09

No
Jhin Mon 19:09

But it doesn't take a long time to type, say "Seer" or "Alch"
Twistedfate Mon 19:09

The 3 who have claimed have shown to have perfectly good internet
Karthus Mon 19:10

Okay cool. TIL something
Twistedfate Mon 19:10

it'll show up significantly later than the lit digs
Mon 19:10

So when can we all be here?
Mon 19:10

I generally get here later than most
Sona Mon 19:11

So you can't be here at daystart?
Jhin Mon 19:11

10:30 game time for me.
Twistedfate Mon 19:11

and veig isn't here now, so someone early will have to let them know the plan
Sona Mon 19:11

We need you as early as possible
Twistedfate Mon 19:11

Um, not unless I don't go to sleep until 2am
Mon 19:11

That fun TZ stuff
Sona Mon 19:12

@GDs when's the earliest you can be here?
Mon 19:12

Everyone state their time
Lux Mon 19:12

Argh im really sleepy rn, can someone move 1 vote away from me so i can drop my vote in an asv
Jhin Mon 19:12

So are we going to dig Maokai then?
Moderator Mon 19:13

Sona votes to lynch Lissandra
Sona Mon 19:13

Jhin, when's the earliest you can be here?
Twistedfate Mon 19:13

I can be here around 15:00 game time, I think
Jhin Mon 19:13

Jhin Mon 19:11 10:30 game time for me.
Sona Mon 19:14

Is 15:00 fine for you?
Twistedfate Mon 19:14

Or, I can do a one time thing to stay up until day start to confirm myself
Jhin Mon 19:14

I can't do start of the day.
Twistedfate Mon 19:15

*sigh*
Mon 19:15

You can't get here earlier than 10:30 am?
Mon 19:16

Ican be here at that time, obviously, but I don't know about veig
Jhin Mon 19:16

I can do 15:00 hrs and most times from 10:30
Sona Mon 19:17

So can you both do 10:30?
Twistedfate Mon 19:17

so let's shoot for 15:00, but if veig isn't here, what do we do?
Mon 19:17

10:30 game time?
Sona Mon 19:17

yes
Twistedfate Mon 19:17

That's like 4am
Sona Mon 19:18

Veigar was there at daystart
Twistedfate Mon 19:18

or 3
Sona Mon 19:18

so we can talk with him then
Jhin Mon 19:18

STOP
Mon 19:18

wistedfate Mon 19:17 so let's shoot for 15:00, but if veig isn't here, what do we do? Mon 19:17 10:30 game time?
Sona Mon 19:18

Veigar will be there
Jhin Mon 19:18

That does not make any sense
Mon 19:19

If he isn't there at 15:00 hrs
Twistedfate Mon 19:19

Right now it's 19:18 game time
Jhin Mon 19:19

we can't time travel back to 10:30 hrs
Lux Mon 19:19

lol
Sona Mon 19:19

We're wasting time here
Twistedfate Mon 19:19

No, I was asking a question, Jhin. . .
Lux Mon 19:19

i think we dont really need veigar
Twistedfate Mon 19:19

Sona asked me if I can be here at 10:30
Mon 19:20

Why?
Lux Mon 19:20

if you all can gather at the same time
Jhin Mon 19:20

Because it's the earliest I can do.
Lux Mon 19:20

and prove urselves
Twistedfate Mon 19:20

Oh my god, never mind
Mon 19:20

Jhin, you aren't following
Jhin Mon 19:20

I didn't understand what time equals 4 in the morning for you.
Twistedfate Mon 19:21

It's 12:20 pm for me right now
Lux Mon 19:21

i mean if everyone can confirm themselves then veigar is evil
Mon 19:21

or if one of you cant follow the test then veig is lit
Jhin Mon 19:21

I do tend to believe you more than Veig now because of the plan you are making.
Twistedfate Mon 19:22

Well, that either means I'm dead or turned tomorrow
Jhin Mon 19:22

My only doubt is now that if I get the timing wrong because of a misunderstanding I will be seen as evil.
Twistedfate Mon 19:22

gg
Jhin Mon 19:22

This is why I double check
Sona Mon 19:23

When we talk about time, we're talking about the time that's shown next to the player name
Jhin Mon 19:23

especially with so many people talking at the same time.
Sona Mon 19:23

It's the same for everyone
Jhin Mon 19:24

But when Twisted said 4am
Sona Mon 19:24

forget about that
Mon 19:24

Can we meet at 12:00 game time?
Jhin Mon 19:24

Yes.
Mon 19:25

Battery going, bear with me...
Sona Mon 19:25

@Twistedfate please confirm
Twistedfate Mon 19:25

That's 6am
Mon 19:25

You're killing me
Jhin Mon 19:26

I get up at that time ;-)
Twistedfate Mon 19:26

Yeah, I don't get up until I have to
Sona Mon 19:26

Yes or no, Twistedfate?
Jhin Mon 19:26

BTW this is all getting VERY meta if you ask me...
Sona Mon 19:26

Yes, but what can you do?
Twistedfate Mon 19:26

13:30 is as early as I'm willing to get up for a game, and only once
Mon 19:27

And yes, it's extremely meta
Sona Mon 19:27

@Jhin can you be there?
Twistedfate Mon 19:27

but most people will know who I am anyway
Jhin Mon 19:27

Well we can decide who is getting lynched tonight, for one.
Mon 19:27

Still most votes on Brand
Sona Mon 19:27

so 13:30 it is
Jhin Mon 19:27

but I thought he had redeemed himself?
Twistedfate Mon 19:27

Jhin, 13:30 tomorrow?
Jhin Mon 19:27

What about Varus?
Mon 19:27

Is he puppet or PM?
Twistedfate Mon 19:27

Also, it's balanced between Brand and Lux
Teemo Mon 19:28

just saw you guys need me to claim. I havent read much yet
Mon 19:28

Im revivier tho
Sona Mon 19:28

ok, so another conflict
Jhin Mon 19:28

But I suppose it's relatively harmless compared to VM
Mon 19:28

Not Teemo conflict I mean!
Mon 19:28

But Varus...
Lux Mon 19:28

btw Jihn, TF and Sona, since you are all active now, can one of you vote brand please? So i can asv and go to sleep
Jhin Mon 19:28

nvm
Twistedfate Mon 19:28

I have to go, and if I don't make it back by nightfall, I'll be here at 13:30
Teemo Mon 19:28

What conflict?
Sona Mon 19:28

Can we all vote Lissandra?
Twistedfate Mon 19:28

Brand claimed, though
Moderator Mon 19:29

Lux votes to lynch Lissandra
Twistedfate Mon 19:29

Inactive lynch?
Sona Mon 19:29

Brand and Zilean are claiming reviver too
Moderator Mon 19:29

Twistedfate votes to lynch Lissandra
Jhin Mon 19:29

And Brand was sus at first because refusing to claim and making everybody else claim
Lux Mon 19:29

wait what
Twistedfate Mon 19:29

Did he refuse, or just go MIA?
Lux Mon 19:29

still 4 votes on me...
Jhin Mon 19:29

And now he is one of the *three* revivers
Sona Mon 19:29

He was away ... I don't want him for not being there
Moderator Mon 19:30

Twistedfate votes to lynch Brand
Sona Mon 19:30

*to lynch him*
Lux Mon 19:30

Thanks TF <3
Twistedfate Mon 19:30

The people on Lux aren't here to move
Mon 19:30

Sure
Sona Mon 19:30

No
Mon 19:30

we should lynch someone who was not ready to claim
Jhin Mon 19:30

I mean it does make sense to come out late as a reviver because vulnerable, but...
Mon 19:31

he should maybe not have urged everyone to come out then?
Sona Mon 19:31

We are more than 4 people active, we can decide the lynch
Twistedfate Mon 19:31

Not on a full role reveal day, though
Mon 19:31

So then we all need to move to liss
Sona Mon 19:31

Yes
Jhin Mon 19:31

Since when do we believe all role claims?
Twistedfate Mon 19:31

Jhin, move to Liss
Mon 19:31

We don't
Brand Mon 19:31

Uh, I need to read up but...
Teemo Mon 19:31

Why Liss? tl;dr anybody?
Twistedfate Mon 19:31

but why hide on a full reveal?
Mon 19:31

Inactive
Brand Mon 19:32

Just to address Jhin and Twisted - I don't think I was "pushing" for a reveal
Sona Mon 19:32

Brand, Teemo claimed reviver
Brand Mon 19:32

I wanted one, sure but lemme quote:
Twistedfate Mon 19:32

I read your bit, Brand, and I don't think it's an issue
Brand Mon 19:32

Brand [Mon 11:47] We either need decent consent (and maybe those who don't consent are evils?)
Twistedfate Mon 19:32

30 minutes to nightfall, can we all agree to lynch Liss?
Moderator Mon 19:33

Brand votes to lynch Lissandra
Jhin Mon 19:33

Oh yes I remember now.
Mon 19:33

SOrry Brand
Mon 19:33

But Varus...
Mon 19:33

And Veigar...
Moderator Mon 19:33

Twistedfate votes to lynch Lissandra
Jhin Mon 19:33

Esp Varus is claiming nonsense.
Twistedfate Mon 19:33

Would like to see one more, since snipe danger
Sona Mon 19:33

next point of order
Jhin Mon 19:33

OK, we have to lynch.
Brand Mon 19:34

What did Varus claim?
Mon 19:34

I haven't had chance to read all the backlog
Sona Mon 19:34

Should we revive tonight?
Twistedfate Mon 19:34

No
Jhin Mon 19:34

He did not claim but demanded an ML recruit.
Twistedfate Mon 19:34

I say wait for confirmation
Brand Mon 19:34

oh right, yeah
Mon 19:34

I saw that
Twistedfate Mon 19:34

We could have coven in GY
Brand Mon 19:34

weird
Jhin Mon 19:34

He said he was dangerless
Sona Mon 19:34

But we only get confirmation on one person
Twistedfate Mon 19:34

I know
Jhin Mon 19:34

because he would die if recruited by VM
Sona Mon 19:34

it's too slow
Jhin Mon 19:34

He talked rubbish basically.
Twistedfate Mon 19:34

But would you rather wait, or accidentally bring coven back?
Jhin Mon 19:35

But he might be a puppet
Mon 19:35

in any case up to no good
Mon 19:35

but possibly harmless
Twistedfate Mon 19:35

The one person dig is just for one night
Brand Mon 19:35

Also ... coven have no witch, but they do have a Djinn
Mon 19:35

so they're probably gonna try and mess with the GY or something -_-
Jhin Mon 19:35

Twisted, do we dig Maokai?
Mon 19:36

I did not see confirmation of that.
Twistedfate Mon 19:36

Hmm, I'd prefer Graves
Jhin Mon 19:36

Why?
Twistedfate Mon 19:36

Sorry, I know you asked and I got distracted
Mon 19:36

Avatar bias
Mon 19:36

haha
Jhin Mon 19:36

It was suggested that Maokai might be a Coven recruit
Mon 19:36

or something
Twistedfate Mon 19:36

I missed that as well
Moderator Mon 19:36

Jhin votes to lynch Lissandra
Twistedfate Mon 19:37

But if one of the 3 of us is coven, they'll know the role
Mon 19:37

Let's go for graves
Jhin Mon 19:37

Fair enough.
Twistedfate Mon 19:37

So 13:30, we come together and reveal
Jhin Mon 19:38

And what do we do if Veigar turns up and claims he checked the other because he didn't see this conversation?
Twistedfate Mon 19:38

Please, early folks let veig know the plan if possible, so we 3 can be here together
Mon 19:38

^^^
Mon 19:38

The best we can do is hope it comes together
Jhin Mon 19:38

No.
Mon 19:38

We have 22 minutes left to do that.
Twistedfate Mon 19:38

I HAVE TO GO
Sona Mon 19:39

ok
Twistedfate Mon 19:40

Prots and stalkers need to be on point, too! 3 stalkers 3 GDs, eh?
Jhin Mon 19:40

Hm, I do worry about these plans to militia-shoot a silent one, or decide a GD claimer is lying based on a plan that can go so easily wrong
Twistedfate Mon 19:40

1st stalker on the list take veig, second take Jhin, third take me
Brand Mon 19:40

have we had a seer claim yet?
Twistedfate Mon 19:41

no
Brand Mon 19:41

hmmm, so we could militia shoot the seer :|
Sona Mon 19:41

The stalkers should do their thing
Twistedfate Mon 19:41

We could be lynching seer
Brand Mon 19:41

D:
Twistedfate Mon 19:41

Inactive, their fault
Sona Mon 19:41

Chances are that the seer is dead
Poppy Mon 19:41

in that case, we might get m back as well
Twistedfate Mon 19:42

True
Brand Mon 19:42

Sona, low chances imho
Twistedfate Mon 19:42

Okay, leaving
Mon 19:42

Good luck!
Sona Mon 19:42

Bye
Mon 19:42

I think that the stalkers should just do their thing
Mon 19:42

Having 3 stalkers on the GDs is a waste of resources
Mon 19:43

So the plans are
Mon 19:44

wait
Mon 19:44

I've got an idea
Mon 19:44

2 Gravediggers dig Graves
Mon 19:45

and he third one digs Maokai, but get's stalked
Mon 19:45

What do you think?
Brand Mon 19:45

What happens if the two GDs who did Graves disagree?
Twistedfate Mon 19:45

*sigh* can' leave yet!
Sona Mon 19:45

Urgh
Jhin Mon 19:45

I like it. I wanted to dig Maokai anyway
Twistedfate Mon 19:45

NO, we all 3 have to dig the same person
Sona Mon 19:45

ok
Twistedfate Mon 19:45

2 of us have to confirm each other
Mon 19:46

Also, my stalker plan was mostly a joke, but if any stalkers want to help confirm, great
Jhin Mon 19:46

Let's not have stalkers on us then.
Mon 19:46

Waste of resources like sb said.
Brand Mon 19:46

I think stalkers should target the inactives
Sona Mon 19:46

The stalkers should try to catch the Vampire Master
Moderator Mon 19:46

Ahri votes to lynch Lissandra
Brand Mon 19:46

hi Ahri
Jhin Mon 19:46

Yes re: stalkers
Sona Mon 19:47

Not meddle in tiny coven affairs
Jhin Mon 19:47

^this
Sona Mon 19:47

I think the militias should shoot
Jhin Mon 19:48

Varus? I really don't have time for unhelpful rubbish like he spouted
Sona Mon 19:48

SO THE PLANS ARE:
Jhin Mon 19:48

But then he might be relatively harmless.
Sona Mon 19:48

GRAVEDIGGERS ALL DIG GRAVES
Mon 19:49

MILITIAS SHOOT SOMEONE INACTIVE BUT PLEASE ANNOUNCE IT
Brand Mon 19:49

Announce it now?
Sona Mon 19:49

STALKERS SEERS - CATCH THE VAMPIRES
Brand Mon 19:49

or announce it tomorrow?
Poppy Mon 19:49

announce today would be ideal
Sona Mon 19:49

REVIVERS, GRAVEDIGGER< do nothing
Poppy Mon 19:50

otherwise an evil killing role could claim retrospectively
Mon 19:50

GRAVEROBBER THAT IS
Sona Mon 19:50

shit
Poppy Mon 19:50

GRAVEDIGGERS SHOULD DEFINITELY DO SOMETHING
Mon 19:50

;p
Sona Mon 19:50

Ahri
Mon 19:50

Who are you shooting?
Mon 19:51

ok, whatever
Mon 19:51

Ahri, please shoot Ezreal
Lissandra Mon 19:52

Well I was expecting to quickly check in on a quiet day but there's so much to catch up on -_- And apparently I'm being lynched for some reason - I'll go read now but place a vote in case I don't get through ti all in time
Moderator Mon 19:52

Lissandra votes to lynch Brand
Sona Mon 19:52

no time
Poppy Mon 19:52

Lissandra, claim role
Mon 19:52

and we might be able to turn the tide
Sona Mon 19:52

You better claim
Poppy Mon 19:52

if you don't say it NOW
Mon 19:52

there's no chance
Mon 19:52

(we're doing full role claim today, that's why)
Sona Mon 19:53

Actually, I don't agree
Mon 19:53

Changing stuff 10 Minutes to nightfall is a bad idea
Poppy Mon 19:53

why?
Mon 19:53

okay
Mon 19:53

Well, I might change it. Lissandra, please speak up
Lissandra Mon 19:53

Oh Graverobber but it looks like people have made their mind up about me for some reason, any idea why?
Poppy Mon 19:53

you're GR?
Ahri Mon 19:53

I still sus the late-active ppl a bit, but let them be verified tmr
Lissandra Mon 19:54

Yep
Sona Mon 19:54

LOL
Mon 19:54

Ciao
Moderator Mon 19:54

Poppy votes to lynch Lissandra
Ahri Mon 19:54

zz
Poppy Mon 19:54

Early claim doesn't mean Sona's valid though, not necessarily
Ahri Mon 19:54

fucking online in the last minutes
Lissandra Mon 19:54

Has someone already claimed Graverobber then?
Poppy Mon 19:54

Sona has
Brand Mon 19:54

Question: should GDs check the lynch instead?
Sona Mon 19:54

Yes, the real graverobber
Poppy Mon 19:55

I suggest GDs check it out
Lissandra Mon 19:55

Well I guess it's my fault for being busy at work, Sona appears to have beat me to it
Poppy Mon 19:55

more than 1 at least
Sona Mon 19:55

Nah, it's a waste
Lissandra Mon 19:55

Probably not much point reviving me since you can use Gravediggers to find the roles that will be useful
Jhin Mon 19:55

Now this is where these beautiful plans to confirm GDs fall apart...
Sona Mon 19:55

I think that we can catch evil ppl by digging graves' rike
Lissandra Mon 19:56

And obviously Sora should by lynched too
Ahri Mon 19:56

Liss, you look like lurking and only come out in the last minute when you see you're in danger
Lissandra Mon 19:56

I can't help being held back at work, but I see how it looks
Sona Mon 19:56

ok, everyone silent, the plans are:
Mon 19:56

GRAVEDIGGERS ALL DIG GRAVES
Lissandra Mon 19:56

My role isn't that helpful anyway, so I'm not that bothered, just please don't trust Sora
Sona Mon 19:56

AHRI SHOOTS CORKI
Mon 19:57

KARTHUS SHOOTS EZREAL
Mon 19:57

STALKERS & SEERS PLEASE FIND US THE VAMPS :P
Lissandra Mon 19:57

Looks like Sora's been leading the game from this little snippet I've seen too
Sona Mon 19:57

REVIVERS, GRAVEROBBER, do nothing
Lissandra Mon 19:57

I will check back on the game in case someone does revive me, but I would suggest reviving someone with a more useful role
Ahri Mon 19:58

I prefer shooting Warwick, at least he did nothing, he's not seer or prot
Sona Mon 19:58

ok, granted
Brand Mon 19:58

Can GD steal Alchemist?
Sona Mon 19:58

Yes
Brand Mon 19:58

um, GR
Mon 19:58

ah damn
Lissandra Mon 19:59

Quick scan shows a lot of last minute voting on me too, should watch those votes
Ahri Mon 19:59

quick scan shows a lot of last minute online ppl
Lissandra Mon 19:59

Has there been any other clashing role claims? Militia might be better saved for some of those
Brand Mon 19:59

I thought we could get away with a guilt-free GR check on one of the dead :(
Lissandra Mon 19:59

Inactives will be smited
Mon 19:59

Lynching them is a waste
Ahri Mon 19:59

at least we forced out many claims today
Lissandra Mon 19:59

You don't have a GR check if you're lynching me
Sona Mon 19:59

They might only be inactive by daylight
Ahri Mon 19:59

we'll see later
Lissandra Mon 20:00

Good luck
Lynched Mon 20:00

Lissandra was lynched by the village
Killed Tue 08:01

Karthus was killed during the night
Killed Tue 08:01

Warwick was killed during the night

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